Is Typhus the True Villain of Darktide? 

Typhus is probably most definitely involved in the lore of darktides war of tertium, seems like it'd be a little underneath mortarions attention

Ahahah, imagine for one brief moment that 4 individuals of questionable state of mind get to beat Nurgle's 1000 year favourite champion. And here I thought us slaughtering thousands of Wolfers men and killing beasts of nurgle with a rock was hilarious

NICE. Plague Marines and maybe even Legionaries as an encounter similar to Spawn, Beasts, and Plauge Orgyrns is my dream.

Your videos are great! And yeah we'd get smoked by Typhus, plot armor or not. Regular Space Marines however HAVE been taken out by even just 4 Imperial Guard members. 2 NightLords were dragging off a UltraMarine into a sewer in one of the Horus Heresy books. The guard were waiting to ambush them with several Krak grenades ready for one and their crack-shot hero level marksmen ready to double tap an eyelense at close range to drop the other. Lore does show that Space Marines are gods in open combat, but ambush and bad circumstance can allow extremely skilled "mortal" soldiers to take them on. Totally in the cards, as you say.

I really hope the karnak twins come back as a conjoined daemon prince with two heads. It wouldn't be too farfetched that squad can take down a daemon prince as they do range in power to either a world ending event to. A deranged beast that just needs to be wrangled in. We already fought daemon host and beast of nurgle and those are straight up daemon princes

This video made me both look and think about things, cheers mate

I just hope that if they do add chaos marines they put some respect on the name, perhaps as a auric mutator to an assasination where you fight a marine rather then a captain in the final stand, or bough I have confidence they would make a decent marine whatever it is they decide to do

If we get Plague Marines I do think they should come after we beat Wolfer in a fight because after we deal with even one marine Wolfer is going to be less impressive a foe by comparison unless he gets really juiced up on Chaos energy.

I think it’ll make for a very interesting gameplay if Fatshark make us rejects fight alongside Space Marines, while we clear the way for them, they do the real heavy lifting of taking down daemons. We’ll basically be killing insignificant underlings to them which is the real boss of that map, while we can see them from an interactable distance cutting down enemies that are stronger than the boss of the map that we’re going toward. Like, maybe we can see them fight through a creek of debrees, them breezing through and one shotting a daemonhost or chaos spawn or something.

Honestly, a pretty cool theory. I'd love it if Typhus was involved in turning the Moebians against the Imperium. The "Darktide" itself could be a reference to the endless hordes of plague zombies, poxwalkers etc that Typhus leaves in his wake. We'll never fight him, but I wouldn't be shocked to hear his name be used, especially if Plague Marines become enemies that can be fought in the game.

There is also a retelling of the Beowolf story from the point of view of Grendel. It is called Grendel, it was written by John Gardner in 1971.

I love your Unhinged theories. I'm all here for them.

As a death guard player myself I can see plague marines in Darkside but as boss level treats to compare to the players, maybe typhus left some of his marines as representatives to lead the cult but not to get involved whatsoever because to do so will get attention from space marines I say ether 3 or 7 because that is Nurgles holy numbers, I would go 3 because 7 would eventually get repetitive but you can make each one flavourful, one as a warrior with flys protecting him for range attacks, an other can be a psycher who cast sells and demons and the last one can be a chemical warfare like plague sprayer or flamer weapon It can also explain where the cult got it's knowledge on demons and chemical warfare from

A melee/scythe wielding plague marine that doesn’t move too quickly in plague marine fashion would be such a fantastic boss battle and addition to the game! As always Great video!

Always love the enthusiasm (and education) to these vids, thanks Jo!

very interesting the parallels to mythology cannot be ignored at this point

I think you are on point. We dont necessarily have to fight T-money himself, we could fight one of his yet unnamed subordinates. An aspiring champion or chaos sorcerer under typhus would make a legit end game boss. Some beef with the first plague company would definitely have some intense gameplay and the current gameplay loop of just boosting enemy stats all the time is uninspired. Having proper auric level threats vs just having the game director snort a line of coke and face roll spawns the whole mission is where i personally feel the direction of the game needs to go from a longevity standpoint.

1:52 never let that clip die lmfaoo

If Dan Abbnet is still in charge of story direction, then its not above him to make those connections to real worth myth as a checky reference. He does it all the time in his books.

"Don't they look desperate brother?" 4 ogryns: :/ :| :\ :B

Honestly, as someone who wants to collect Death Guard because of Darktide, Typhus as the big bad of Darktide would be amazing.

I really want to have a Death Guard show up as a boss. I feel like it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilty for a team of veteran soldier, psyker, ogryn and zealot to bring one down. But Typhus on the other hand has turned entire worlds into living screaming nightmare gardens of death just cause he was bored, I feel like the entire planet would fall within a day if the Terminus Est showed itself anywhere near the solar system.

Wow, what a great catch! Loved the video Jo :)

your breakdowns are always a lot of fun to watch

Yyoooo your personality and the way you communicate is fucking awesome. Very knowledgeable and informative. But feel like having a regular convo. Keep it up sis!

Yoooooooo, I just jumped down the same rabbit hole as you and I’m loving every bit of it!

I had a voice line in game once with Morrow and my reject. He asked about the Chaos Space Marines and what would happen if they came for a fight. Morrow replied discussing that they're sitting upon the edge of the system for now, but if they were to move in the campaign would be entirely lost, as they don't have the voidcraft to combat them or strength against the astartes on the ground.

Don't they look desperate brother?

Great vid, Jo! Having Typhus make an appearance as a cameo of some sort would have precedence with Fatshark as Be'lakor made an appearance in Vermintide, and his pretty high up the food chain in lore for both settings.

I was sold on the gene stealer cult theory, but this video has me beyond convinced! I love these silly vids!

This is still a Nurgle faction content though. Not that it wouldn't be awesome to fight Chaos Marines, but perhaps it was you or another RU-vidr pointed out that they updated the enemy AI to be able to attack each other, I get the feeling they plan to introduce another faction at some point, or perhaps add an friendly NPC character to the squad to accompany the rejects to help fight tougher foes for the new missions. I wonder too if they start adding factions later and the situation on the planet becomes untenable, whether we'll get a front row seat to witness one of those infamous Exterminatus events to conclude the story.

Great video ❤

Have no idea if you’re right, I just enjoy the speculation because I love the game - particularly now where we’re close to emerging from the post holiday cone of silence you get from most gaming companies.

"Rejects, that is Typhus the champion of Nurgle, RUN!" and then we end up having to deal with a one or several chaos space marines.

the ONLY way we could ever fight typhus is if we had a sigismund level legendary marine dueling him while we cover the loyalist

Typhus at most has a slight involvement in Tertium or one of his champions/followers is doing the majority of meddling. Typhus as a boss to beat is out of the question, fucker would disintegrate anyone with his passive AOE. A single Plague Marine is feasible and should be viewed as an endgame boss set on the hardest difficulty and must be taken on with a maxed-out loadout.

Grendyl was obviously beowolf… everyone’s favorite freshmen reading assignment LOL

I would love to *at least* fight a Death Guard Plague Marine in a 4v1.

I really think that a solo chaos space marine should and will be a boss in Darktide. Maybe make the players use more underhanded tactics like traps, ambushes and luring into the line of fire of artillery or tanks while constantly running away from him would be an amazing gameplay experience. Fatshark, pls.

That super hard mode. 😭

I love this theory because Typhus is his name now and was: Calas Typhon.

I LOVE the theory videos

God damn id love to see a Plague Marine in Darktide, let alone Typhus. Even if its just voice lines in a Vox, i need this to happen

Awesome

Typhus will just tear us to bits.

I've said from the get go, when the initial trailer showed a Great Unclean One. It's a little hard to believe that 4 random humans could do it. Sure maybe one or two exceptionally powerful Psykers + an ogryn and a catachan level guardsmen COULD theoretically pull it off, it just seems a little wild. However...a Nurgle Space marine? They've lost their speed. That's typically what makes anyone not a Muhreen or Eldar unable to contend with Astartes, the speed. It's not even the strength, cause you like said, Ogryns are actually fairly close to ARMORED Marines in terms of strength and sheer brute force. There's even a few depictions of Ogryns beating up unarmored marines. Typically what makes Astartes damn near god-like to the average human is the speed, and the skill. Well...Nurgle marines don't do either of much. Obviously they're skilled combatants, but when you're a 2000 lbs walking tank of rotting flesh and sinew, you don't exactly move with too much speed, and this is reflected by how they're depicted. That's my lore justification on why we should get a Nurgle CSM as a boss. It's somewhat doable for a powerful psyker, ogryn, hardened combat vet, and an empowered zealot. Now, the technical/gameplay justification, IS THAT WE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY FOUGHT ONE!! Like I said in one of your other videos, Burblespue is pretttttty damn close to a Nurgle CSM. Giant, uses sorcery, big scythe, has extremely fast movements. That's literally the recipe for a Nurgle CSM. We better fuckin get a CSM. I'll be pissed if we don't. As always Jo you are by far my favorite darktide youtuber. Incredible lore insights and research. Thank you for your hours of nerd research!!!

Typhus is definitely a really deadly foe to place up against the rejects, but I also feel it's not all that impossible either. He isn't really known as a top tier fighter, and his stats don't depart too much from other plague marines. He has been killed before as well. With so many psykers and ogryn, plasma and bolter weaponry, and maybe conspiratorially, a few space marines involved...we could possibly take him on.

The kind of threat that a pox infestation with the direct involvement by Typhus sounds appropriate. If I recall correctly Ship Mistress Brahms has a voice line in a trailer in which she says something along the lines that the conflict in Tertium will shape (or at least be very impactful to) the future of the war. I think it’d be odd for the characters involved to not be some high-power names when giving the game that much dialogue hype for its importance in the overall 40k story especially Tertium being added to overall 40k lore because of the game

This is cool, I hope we get to fight Mortarion .

i would be midblowing if thypus literally appear as the final boss in darktide . i hope it would be the best and difficult boss we ever face in darktide

The dan abnett connection is present here as well! Heres hoping ur right!

Thanks for bringing that topic some attention, darling. Nice video! If i may, there was a reddit post trying to puzzle together twins lore: So, apparently Karnak Temple in Egypt has something to do with Wandering deity or so, if i remember that post correctly. Still looking for it though, it's hard to find. Going back: we have karnak temple connected to wandering deity. We have Karnak twins..wandering deity - we find ourselves back at Typhus The Traveller/The Wanderer. Just saying stuff, i know Typhus is a cunt, not a deity and Emperor is the only God. Cheers!

So, when Demonhosts first showed up in 40k lore, they were associated with Rouge Inquisitors. When they first showed up on the table top, it was in codex Demonhunters and if you took Demonhosts, you could not take grey knights. Being that you point out Grendyl's name origin, what if he's a Rouge Inquisitor?

Typhus may be the cause, it seems his style. I 100% agree we will never see him in the game, and that we will see some Death Guard marines as big time bosses. A marine in terminator armour would be a beast and a great stand on for Typhus. Could even be his Deathshroud bodyguards.

This makes me realise playing warhammer Tacticus does not make me a 40k analyst and thought typhus was a normal plague marine

If Ciaphas Cain can hold his own long enough against a World Eater in melee combat for Jurgen to melt him, I don't see why an ogryn, veteran, zealot and psyker couldn't hold one off long enough to blast him with heavy weapons. A plasma gun is a plasma gun, a thunderhammer is a thunderhammer, a force sword is a force sword and an ogryn is an ogryn.

To start love your theories and vids! I honestly feel like IF Typhus made this disease then the outspread would be MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. As in the past he made whole insane diseases like where fear fuels it and it slowly consumed the entire planet. (Namely the story of Dominic Seroff) And while the current disease is bad. I feel like nurgles rot would be much worse and also cause there to be plaguebearers everywhere instead of just pox zombies everywhere. Maybe this is just the appetiser before the big man comes and serves the big meal for his hungry children himself. I wonder how long the tertium corrption uprising has been going on for. Cause there's also the chance we made it really really early to the planet and it's abotu to get very bad later in the future. Also while searching for the story name it seems that It some Psykers appear to be able to control the actions of the zombie hordes. (Imperial Armour Volume Seven - The Siege of Vraks - Part Three pg. 142) So who knows maybe another talent tree in the future maybe since vermintide received the necromancer. Skitari would be an amazing class to add.

Fun fact about Typhus: He invade planets all alone and creates Zombies Outbreaks to destroy the opposition.

I'd say that a boss fight with a regular Chaos Space Marine (Nurgle worshiper but not a Plague Marine) would be perfectly acceptable as a mission objective on a hard malice-level mission. Sure, in a "stat-fight" when all the opponents are standing and shooting at each-other the Marine would win every single time but it's not a "stat-fight". If he had a hard, varied moveset that keeps players at their toes entire time while making clear that he can and will steamroll you if you make a mistake then it would show how superior (but still not unbeatable) the Marine is. The reason I'd be perfectly fine with such a boss fight (again, a boss fight and on a high difficulty) is that we actually have access to weapons that are effective against Space Marines. Plasma guns and boltguns can penetrate power armor, power swords and power hammers are also effective, same with Krak grenades and psychic powers. Sure, a regular lasgun or a autogun wouldn't be effective but a Helbore Lasgun would still be able do do some damage. And an Ogryn would be able to hold his ground for some time in melee. So yeah, we have enough firepower to take down a Space Marine. Of course, as I said, a Space Marine should be really fast, hard-hitting and extremely unforgiving enemy but still is not out of question. Oh, and the difficulty should come from the boss himself, not the adds.

I would love for us to fight typhus, just for him to run away before we kill him and him never living it down that a bunch of randos pushed him back. And yes I know that this would be INSANELY un-lore friendly but it would be funny. On the more serious side of the discussion. HOLY EMPEROR THIS MAKES MORE SENSE THEN IT SHOULD. And I agree that plague marines should come to darktide. Like have normal marines be like mini-bosses akin to plague ogryns, bests of nurgle, etc. And have an end boss be like a plague sorcerer or a terminator. Been needing an excuse to use my new plasma rifle

Ogryns are both stronger AND tougher than space marines. They just dont have the gear that the marines do

Now, thing I'm thinking more and more... Is Grendyl an Istravaanian?

🤘😆🤘 Great video!

I'd assume Typhus is a refference to typhoid fever not the titan Typhon. Chaos Space Marines would certainly escalate the relative small scale conflict on Tertium. Yet the disturbance in the Warp would stop Imperial reinforcement creating a wonderfully escalated scenario.

With players able to kill plague ogryn and beasts of nurgle, let alone deamonhosts. I doubt a plague marine is not within our capabilities.

Neat. In a way I don’t really want plague marines to come to Tertium because even though space marines are the literal poster boys of the entire franchise, 40k as a setting has so much room for stories that don’t involve them. That said if the do come it’s not like I’m going to stop playing or anything because darktide will still be awesome

Hate to be the one falling directly into the category of “everything we aren’t literally fighting at the moment is a space marine level threat” but I think that killing plague marines as a standard guard or homeless man with a combat knife is a bit much to ask. That said I do want to see them in game and I think I have a middle ground for how to achieve it; there are plague marines in the lower hive but only about a single kill teams worth of them so the chain of command goes typhus > the killteam > wolfer > the twins > the mobians and cult > the pox walkers. I also wouldn’t want to kill them in a straight up fight considering the twins kicked my ass up and down the block so I don’t know what we’d do against real threats, so maybe we deal with the marines one by one in a series of missions where we bait them into a killbox and have everyone rain plasma on them.

How about a boss fight were you help a powerfull loyalist against Typhus?

Typhus would be absolutely broken, but we could kill him and Nurgle could bring him back.

The true villain is predatory ingame stores and nonexistent story writing.

*Heavy breathing*

Has anybody touched on the fact that Tertium is probably a reference to it being the 3rd hive on this planet? Like if warhammer naming conventions hold, there should be at least 2 additional hives on the planet, those being hive Primus (the primary or 1st hive), hive secundus (second hive) and hive Tertium (tertiary meaning 3rd) obviously being the hive we operate in. I bring this up because we all know that rumours are floating around about another hive, but I feel like if we eventually get DLC, it will involve tracking high value targets to other hives. I know very unlikely but I’d also love it if fat shark could rig together a way for some sort of massive defensive action on one of the other hives where we are all formed into one big garrison to stop the rot spreading to that one too. Imagine it’s just a horde after horde experience where we slowly run out of reinforcements and ammo until they finally breach the walls and make it in, heralding the release of DLC stuff inside that new hive. One can dream.

Fifth character best be a Space Marine at least.... The only possible way we would be able to take on Typhus and the Destroyer Hive...

Would it not be the zombie plague with thy fuss

My only issue with the video is that you mentioned the rejects fighting an injured plague marine. I understand, fighting one would be super cool. But like, regardless of whether or not they could balance it out, the whole idea of a weakened plague marine is uh… how say? Incomprehensible? One Took a number of hits from a space marine wielding a thunder hammer & could’ve recovered. I just don’t see them being prone to injury.

Can't wait for the next map coming in 2025

can the 4 convicts at this point get an upgrade to primaris?

I don't think we're fighting Typhus. We ain't killing that one. Even if we had astartes backup, we ain't killing him. However, a single NORMAL plauge marine would be one hell of a fight because it could be a carapice armor boss. The twins and the mobian captain bosses all have the shields and flak armor, the monstrosities (plauge ogryn, chaos spawn, and beast of nurgle) have no armor at all, but outside of 12 crushers spawning at once, we have no "armored" bosses. And plauge marines are probably the most reasonable chaos marine to fight as they aren't as fast as normal space marines.

typhus in segmentum pacificus? or did they retcon that? im confused. atoma prime in imperium nihilus or segmentum pacificus? tho that is very true. never gonna see typhus. but a chaos marine would be enough or rather should if fatshark wants to add mroe boss variety to this game. def not a special enemy. but a boss. tho im pretty sure grendyl has a few grey knights or two watching him now after recent threats

i would love a battle sister class

I personally don’t think it is Typhus, he flattens planners on his own, and there would be a full out war for the world on a massive scale incomparable to Turtiem’s struggle if he was personally there. It might be an invasion plan for opening the way to Typhus’s fleet, but since it’s been normally traitor guard, pirates and even orks attacking near the sector I highly doubt he’s personally leading anything in the game.

Considering typhus would kill the population by standing in the area, no hes not gonna a boss. Could he have sent people there 100% probably if hes even in talking distance in game Fatshark are massively messing with lore

Grug could take him.

Remember a simple mind is a tidy mind. Yours is getting a bit loose. We may have to take that under advisement. Good job keep it up.

I still do not think we should get plague marines in darktide. I would say we *could* get *a* plague marine. But realistically we should not be fighting marines. The power scaling is super good right now but they shouldn't be all over the place. If you know what I mean. For an epic finale, I might send in a squad of Space Marines that you see fighting a squad of plague marines. You fight one plagie. Plague Ogryns as bosses makes sense, so do Chaos spawn, but plague marines specifically are another level... Perhaps chaos daemons would be good as "hard enemy" instead?

Yeah but don't they look desperate, Brother?

I'm still hopin for Drukhari instead of Genestealers ...but this stuff about Typhus is, well. Making too much sense to be a coincidence. They also seem to be leaning quite hard into Morrow's roots with all the Steel Legion and Armageddon related things, so my hope is - even if its just a small vox announcement somewhere, to one day hear the Hero of Helsreach himself hold a speech over the vox on the Mourningstar. ..if you know you know. Supposedly Morrow was part of that battle on Armageddon so its VERY possible he too was present at Helsreach. And even then.. he is Steel Legion. We have at least 2 incarnations of Steel Legion armour since launch, and now the Savlar Chemdogs, known for their ties to Armageddon and the Legion have also been deployed to Atoma. Yes, yes.. MTX shop armours isnt confirming or denying any actual deployments. But at the same time, think about it: They could've just added any willy-nilly stuff they wanted. Hell they could just add Solar Auxillia armour, Soroitas armour, Catachan fighter stuff, etc. But they didnt. Every single (official) regimental set *makes sense* to be deployed. On top of it being made abundantly clear that all gear we buy from either Lady Alice or from Brunt is scavenged from the dead. The Steel Legion stuff, well. Morrow is Steel Legion. He likely has some pull with em, if not his own retinue. The Death Korps: Out of all death korps legions, ours specificially bear the mark of the 13th. The Heavy Tank regiment.. Atoma is known for making superior tanks, so they're likely deployed between hive cities. Rogue Traders: Brahms is a rogue trader herself, not to mention the stuff Lady Alice can pull up. They likely have pull with other traders. The Savlar Chemdogs: They fight in underhives, toxic ones at that, and have close ties to the Steel Legion. Cadians: ..well, cmon. The Imperium throws cadians at everything. It'd be strange if they WOULDNT be here. The only ones that have me slightly confused are the Valhallans. Unless that second hive city is somewhere on one of the poles covered in ice, they're the only ones that fall outside this general way of thinking. But then again I dont know much about them - and they weren't added as an "official regimental armour" either (but the same goes for the Cadians)

If typus was a hybrid before it got retconned cause the hybrids dont exist in this universe. Even if they are they definitely arent made into space marines

I just want them to update the game and give me some new enemies. Guys please

Ok but how the hell are we supposed to kill a space marine let alone a death guard which I will remind you are know for being immortal to most guns and don’t feel pain

This is totally unrelated to this content....but I so desperately wish there was an expansion that allowed you to play as orc freebooters drawn to the fight looking for a scrap and some loot.

Psyker match-up made the Hard-Mode super easy. Smite Bubble Shield and the other one that was running Soul fire made it a breeze. Our Zealot was a damage demon on the bosses though.

My zealot could 1v1 a plague marine

I don't see typhus showing up in this game, but rather some disease of his direct making. He's way too powerful to have show up against essentially 4 human characters. The only way you could make his appearance work is if there was a corresponding appearance by some equally powerful loyalist entity. Though I COULD see this invasion being overseen by a plague marine or librarian. I'd say a squad of 4 kitted out humans, including a patcher and ogryn would be possibly capable of handling that, but they would need much better gear. Obviously that is good justification for character / gear progression for a future DLC.

Oh yeah, this is some good tinfoil

Me personally plague marines should not be added to Darktide because if a chaos marine appears and one strike team returns with news then the game is not the same. We would be seeing Marine chapters or even grey knights to kill them. It would ruin the game lore wise

Kr..akkkk!! Karking Karnak! 🪓🗡 Ha, so Death Guard may reveal themselves? XD