Is Vintage Racing Being Destroyed by Gentrification and Control? 

This sums up a similar theory I’ve had for a while. When a sports category naturally gestates into something good, it becomes popular, and when it’s really popular the folks with more money than they can spend will get involved. This causes a cost inflation that I personally think is irreversible. It also draws in undesirable personalities, and drives out the good people. Sport ruined.

I really prefer to stay positive, but I don't want to see Vintage Racing decline. I think it is important we know what is happening so we can keep the spot healthy! What do you think?

As someone who works in vintage racing with dwindling attendance, the answer is yes.

Hey Casey! The amount of work you did on your King Zero build is astounding! A French RU-vidr (Benjamin Workshop) building a Gt40 replica, he's working on it since 2-3 years, and he's still finishing it ! Take a brake, you're doing great, and i hope you will be able to finish it without killing your channel (or financial resources)

It's *been* destroyed by gentrification for *years*... All racing has been ruined for anyone who isn't in a "racing family" or ridiculously rich to start with.

Same thing happened to SCCA. Big money ruins everything.

Damn, vintage racing looked like something really fun, i would really love to see something similar in France, affordable racing seems so fun !

Totally agree, Casey! I love/loved VR as it was an opportunity to see really cool old racing cars in action. Such a shame. A similar thing has happened in autocross. When I first started 25 years ago there was only stock. street prepared, prepared and modified classes. Then they decided to grow the attendance by allowing the younger crowd with their tuners in. So what you have now is a bunch of alphabet soup classes of tuners, literally dozens of them, and all the old classes have been completely devistated. It sucks because there is no going back....

I agree with you Casey, I love vintage racing and that's why I subscribe to Goodwood FOS. To see the old giants and the really vintage cars battle on the track is unbeatable.

Casey-You are so spot on! I have been racing a 1959 Bugeye Sprite for 13 years now and only recently, started racing a barn find 1972 Merlyn Formula Ford. I been on several podiums in my Bugeye, Indy, Mid Ohio and such, but only a few races in the open wheel car. I decided to attend Mid Ohio this past June (2021), and was just stunned by the difference since my last race there a few years before. (2017). The lower, middle, and upper paddocks were all taken over by big rigs, which left those of us with the true vintage cars, stuck in the grass with gravel roads to get to the grid. Plus, we are the guys and gals with cars who embrace the fans and spend time talking with them and letting them climb in the seat for a picture, the big rig racing gang usually does not. I walked around just wondering where the older cars went? Hell, they had the few of us in the Formula Fords grouped with Miatas for gods sake! I understand that as my wife says, old cars, older drivers, so the for profit race clubs tend to trend towards newer cars to stay viable, but if you came to an event that my club (VSCDA) runs, you would see that we easily have 130-350 cars that are all vintage. I enjoy your videos-as a fellow racer who has now attended 48 Indy 500's, standing on the podium at Indy with that milk in my hand was a highlight of racing for me. Here is my Mid Ohio race in a car with 26 years of sitting-this winter we are rebuilding the engine and gearbox for the first time. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8QCghb_NO_I.html

😎 Casey laying down the truth!

1st race I ever went to with my dad, about 25 years ago was a Vintage race at Mid-Ohio, and that is one the main reasons I love cars, and particular racing to this day. Also that watch is AWESOME Casey!

I've recently been watching a lot of NASCAR history videos and I can't help bit think that something similar happened during it's history. When it started, it was small teams with stock cars off the show room floor and eventually turned into specialized race cars.

I do wonder how much of this has to do with some creeping gentrification from the fact that fewer and fewer 'regular people' have the money and resources and time to support these events at *all.* It happens in a lot of contexts, even artsy neighborhoods.

What the Safety and Regulations dilemma has done to the entire country as a whole and the people that demand the governments control over them is disheartening also.

Agreed. I was involved in vintage racing back in the late eighties and early nineties. Both with SVRA and a SCCA licensed CARE. We ran support races for IMSA , champ cars and TransAm. Street circuits in Florida. I loved the street circuits. And we ran events at Palm Beach on three different tracks including downtown. That was local racing for me and once or twice drove the car to the track. I ran a ASA1000GT (look it up if not familiar). And a Beach Sportsracer. Fun,Fun ,Fun. The Miami GP and ST. Petersburg were great. There was a little of what you are referring to back then but for the most part it was all good. My gripe is different. There were the gold chain, more car than skill group. And the guys that just drove. One of the pro guys that ran with is broke it down into three types of drivers. No, it was Joe Pendergast. Riders, drivers, and racers. The riders knew what was going on in the stands. the drivers did a decent job of getting around the track, and the racers just hammered it all the time. Ok I got off track a bit there. As you get the dumbing down because the big bucks guys were often low on talent, they started altering the track itself. Lets throw in this chicane to slow everybody down so Daddy big chain can keep up. It occurred most often on tracks that also had driving schools. They got tired of their cars getting torn up so they just spoiled very challenging tracks. Look what happened to Sebring and Moroso(West Palm Beach) > The original Sebring course was fast in spades. Wide runways.Then they started stacking tires to pinch in the course and slow it down. The hairpin turn was gone. I think they messed with Green Park Chicane. They took a very fast challenging course like none other on the planet and turned it into a cutesy, ordinary racetrack. I ran the revised track only once and was very upset. The old course was so fast that I only touched the brakes for two turns. Moroso's turn eight was a challenge and only the most skilled could tiptoe through there without lifting. Most everyone else was braking and downshifting. I saw some nice cars get torn up there. But they had to dumb it down for the untalented and put in a chicane at turn seven that had no actual line. Terrible. That was my local track. I also was a corner worker/course marshall. The first race that I worked was at Moroso for the only TransAm ever raced their. The track was narrower than SCCA specs called for so it was a one time deal. The magazines wrote it up as the best TransAm ever. I stood with my back to the cars with my flags since my responsibility was beyond my corner to the next corner. They all went through without lifting. Paul Newman was just short of putting his turbo Nissan in the canal. The same type of cars at club races were braking hard and downshifting through the same turn(a switchback). Have you seen that at any of your tracks. Don't get me going on the whole showroom stock thing. That was where a lot of the dumbing down came from. i feel a rant coming on. Restraining myself. Jake and i did the Sun.n.Fun flyin together. Just tell him don't force it Finesse it. Be looking at his face when you say that to see if you can see the wheels turning. Carey Culpepper

You could just as well drop vintage from the title. Racing in itself is being destroyed! I stopped by a friends the other day & they had NASCAR on the TV. I about cracked a rib laughing when noticing the flag man even had a full face helmet on.

Great video man!!!

I’ve never gone to or participated in vintage racing but I wonder how much has lawsuits and insurance costs have wrecked the sport? A lot of things that used to happen don’t happen today because of liability. Just a thought.

I remember many years ago at the SCCA nationals looking at a mini that was a multi-time winner and thinking "that guy is a hell of a driver" only to later talk to one of his mechanics and find out that the driver wasn't at the track yet since he hadn't flown in on his private plane yet, and that "mini" had a cost approaching 6 figures. That's when I knew that the SCCA was heading the way so many other sanctioning bodies had gone in the past. Money wins as it pretty much always has, and when it's more about winning than the community the community goes away. That void is where the 24 hours of Lemons and many other "organizations" came from. Unfortunately, vintage race cars that casual people want to look at static are expensive and that money wants to be "protected" and it twists the whole thing around from community to "investment" and showboating.

Casey, would you say this is a NA/USA issue? Here in the UK, there is such a health vintage racing scene,, thanks to the passion from the owners of Goodwood race circuit and things like the "Goodwood Revival"

Problem, also, is that there are virtually no television networks covering such racing anyway, and when it does seem like something is gaining in popularity, that's when the big teams come in and try to make it more visually palatable or whatever goes on in their heads, only to end up looking low budget with horrible audio compression on MAV TV. And thus, the gentrification starts...or continues...not sure anymore

I looked at building a Spec Miata car, "the most affordable way to get into fender-to-fender racing!" Uh, no. It's not "affordable" at all, and racing generally never has been. You were either a "gentleman racer", raced someone else's car, or got in early enough (and were successful enough) that you could grow with the sport. Even dirt track racing here in southern Ohio is out of the question for anyone with less than about a six-figure income. Hence the popularity of drag racing: You can show up in just about anything that isn't currently on fire and race someone head-to-head at the local 1/8 mile strip. I autocross for fun and that scratches my itch, along with continually working on my car.

The BD5 brings back memories for me! My dad loved that plane!

I think you should do 24hrs of Lemons or Gambler 500. They would appreciate your big mouth 🤘🏽

I completely agree with your concerns. I’ve been around vintage racing since the late 1980s when I was staff photographer at Road & Track Magazine. The likely reason for the increased rules and hours requirements is likely to keep event increasing insurance costs from shutting them down. I’ve also seen this in the aviation world such as at the Reno Air Races (happening in a few weeks!). Help solve this issue and you’ll get back what you love about vintage racing!

Silverstone classic used to be amazing.. Now its becoming over the top rich stuff.. (same weekend as the auctions "surprise surprise"!).. Pick a smaller less important race track and get all the normal people come down.. The bigger circuits have lost the plot!! Look at how goodwood grew at a smaller event. Not the best example but the truth is the die hard fans at the more intimate places is always more fun.

You are so right 100%.My brother own's a BRE 1200 Datsun that has not seen day light in 20 years.I hope i can talk to him to run it again.

You are a proper and smart man Casey. Respect

A lion in a zoo never has to worry about food or a mate or fighting for its life, but the lion out in the wild is much happier. Which way do you want to head American man?

Have you ever been to Pittsburgh for the vintage Grand Prix here? You obviously know much more about the sport than I do but I always went to the car show they also host, but this year I volunteered on grid. It was an amazing experience and from my angle the sport looks promising! You for sure see lots of rich people with many cars etc. I agree with your points though I hope the sport continues for then normal person

When I hear vintage racing, I think of guys with a lot of money. Also, if they don’t like you, for any reason, you’re out.

110% agree, its gotten this way in Australia too.

You are such a good dude casey.

Good work fella!

A new organizing group will evolve to sanction vintage racing. Under existing rules and sanctioning it will die. The rich can have their playground, but the financially modest enthusiast will still need a place, and somehow or another, will find track time. The definition of 'vintage racing' is also evolving... it used to be more of a place where a collector-restorer could have a place to drive their project.. not so much in hard competition to win, but to go out and drive at relative speed with others.... who mostly are interested in preserving their cars.. not bashing their way to victory. Big money is bringing the idea of hard racing.. and its inevitable destruction of the cars that only the rich can afford to rebuild on a race to race basis. In the beginning, it was more like exhibition driving, enjoying ones cars and the public loving the experience of seeing them on-track. European style hard core win at all cost vintage racing is really pretty stupid in my opinion. It eats cars... its a danger to the drivers as old cars have few to non safety systems like modern chassis.. and for what? Ego stroking...

The SVRA has been slowly killing themselves off in a slow death for many years. The Mid-Ohio Vintage Grand Prix has been going downhill for years and has been VERY disappointing with all the newer cars they keep inviting to "fill the program" when they priced all the small guys out of competing years ago and made it a playground for the wealthy. Well, that and rules that kept changing and pissing the grassroots racers off so much that they finally quit and went and started a whole new vintage series.

Im an outsider looking in, but im seeing what youre seeing from a different angle. There will be a revival, with the youth more hangry than ever for the sport.

Balls on , Casey !

1000% agree. Here in Ireland driving regulations and licencing just for road use is an absolute disgrace. It's taking me years just to get a driver's license. Large cost paying for mandatory training, fees, paperwork and bureaucratic hell.

Casey very true statements that are super relevant to today’s world. A bunch of Karens and Kevins ruining life all in the name of “safety”. We need more Caseys that enjoy life!

Spot on! On another note, I've been absent for a while...the watch! nice! If you're a car guy and love watches, that's the pinnacle, in my opinion.

I have been in and around Vintage Racing, Racing and the car hobby all my life. I have seen this cycle over and over. Yes gentrification is happening and it is a sad state of affairs. The Watkins Glen Vintage Grand Prix was fantastic, so many interesting cars, it has dwindled now. It will come back, the economy favors the rich at the moment. We will be able to come back. Go Vintage racing or support your local region.

It's a very old paper... me thinking 1970's maybe 1960's... Casey coming in with a kick in the nuts year 2000... come on Casey I'm a prototype millennial too that hurts.

I just want a street legal sandrail like the one behind ya

Old people dying and younger people can't afford to waste upwards of 50k on a vintage car and then another 50k to make it race ready. I'm 37 and can't afford a car period without a good payment plan.

Can anyone find the article that Casey was talking about, Im interested in reading it now

Look at motorsport racing from the 50s60s70s80s… Look at motorsport in somewhere like Thailand….. This is what motorsport should be like, minimum regulation, basic safety, accessible, fun and inclusive. Worlds apart from what any motorsport is nowadays. Sad times..

It do be like that doe. In the SFL general area. There ain't much locations for racing besides homestead motor speedway, that one place in palm beach county and the turnpike/expressway lmao.

Very WELL Said Casey. !! Pisses me off too ! I LOVE Vintage Racing ! Oh ! Good touch on Civil Aviation...

Well said

I’ve been going to Mid-Ohio for 30+ years, and have been a season pass holder for 20+. Always attend both Vintage cars and Bikes every year. I’ve also seen the grid sizes shrink… but my thought is that it’s a changing of the times. I can even remember seeing a pair of 917’s out on the track… those aren’t out there anymore. Values have skyrocketed and a lot of these are going into collections, and the people taking these cars out on the track are getting older. From a spectator standpoint, I think it’s a good thing to bring in these other series or else there wouldn’t be anything on the track. (WERA has been racing during the vintage bike weekend for the last several years.) No one wants to spend $50 to walk through the gate to see a class with only 5-6 cars in it. I don’t have the answer, and I’d love to see full classes. I guess the real question is how do you get full fields out on the track to not need to bring in these other classes or series?

What I have seen as guy who aces a MGB, is the target as moved as far as where a person who races a car like me races now. While SVRA and HSR used to be the place to race cars like this on the East coast, now that target has moved. Now the real completion is with the grassroot groups. Groups like VDCA, VRG, VSCDA, CVAR, etc. These groups seem to be below the mindset of the rich high dollar racer, but where a guy who races a MGB will get more tack time, more, and longer races, more competition, a cheaper entry fee, and overall better experience. The Mitty vintage races at oad Atlanta is one of the biggest vintage races in the country and only 100 miles for me, I would rather be kicked in the nut than ever race in that event again. All of us vintage car are stuck in overly combined groups that make zero sense, for what a 9 lap race, and no real track time, no freaking thank you. Also the driving talent in group like HSR is about the same rush hour traffic on I-85, while money can buy you a fast car, you need talent to drive it fast.

WELL SAID,I HAVE SEEN SAME THING AT THE TRACK NO WEEKEND REGULAR GUYS ANYMORE

I purchased my C4 from a family that was running a car that weekend. They were selling the C4 so they could continue to fund the car they were running. They seemed like good people.

Even grassroots racing like bangers and superstox in the UK have been going in the direction of favouring cash for ages. One driver in superstox back in the late 90s said "I blow my engine I'm done for this year, some drivers now don't mind if they replace every few meetings so they set their rev limiter a couple of hundred higher than me. I can only compete in the turns".

That's what you need to do Casey, See who has cars that haven't been racing and contact them and see what causing them not to race. I'm sure as you have said it's the money, not being able to be competitive. Have a meet with them for those who may be interested. Get together and change your rules that allow them to fit in and be some ways on doing this it can be done, I have personally done this. If you can enough racers who agree with you get together and figure out how you can make all the cars competitive. There's different ways to do this, certain cars going to a smaller carb, restrictor plates, adding weight, different hardness of tires, lower spoilers, you know the game. I've given you ideas on how to do this. These are proven ways that have worked for me. You get the drivers to agree on a set of rules that bring cars back to racing your not going to get much argument from the sanctioning body , they know if they stick to there guns there not going to have many cars racing, make sure you invite the high end racers as well you would be surprised on what they may be willing to compromise to keep the sport growing. My 2 cents.

I'm wondering if the licenses are needed by the tracks/organisers for insurance purposes

15:25 Producer of the vid " We need someone grinding metal / making sparks in order to do a car related vid" CPT owner, " I'm sorry, we make rubber products, they don't spark when ground. " Producer of the vid " Someone get on this forklift and drive across the shop. " :+)

What's the song during the crushproof advert?

You said it bro, I totally agree

@caseyputsch have you tried drag racing? It looks to be more accesible and less money divisions… don you like 1/4 mile?

Hey Casey, why were you bleeping out certain sanctioning bodies? I wanted to hear what you were saying.

Groups were being mixed for 15+ years. My father experienced it w racing Alfas. It’s no longer competitive

As someone in another form of motorsport that just isn't very popular (drag boats) I think one of the major issues is that there's no feasible way to get into motorsports in the us without spending an arm or a leg. I wish there were a way to get younger people into this stuff without emptying their parents bank accounts

Sad to see this happening in NA. In Australia we seem to have quite a healthy Historic Racing scene with many classes and strong grid numbers. And for the moment at least, the cars are still somewhat affordable as you can still buy a cheap historic race car for 25-40k. Although some cars and classes are well into triple figures.

An SCCA license it good anywhere in Vintage Racing. Only one I've ever had.

Aviation got really out of reach expensive. I know guys who were active pilots in the 1970s and early 80s. They were blue collar regular guys. They worked as mechanics and plumbers. They also owned their own Cessnas, Mooneys and Pipers. They bought them when they were new. Now who can afford to pay for a new 182? That means they sell less so the cost per plane goes up and they sell less. There's also less uses planes hitting the market so their prices stay up.

I know this vid is 1 year old but have to comment. Sure sounds like you were at an SVRA event. I started in Vintage with SVRA over 35 years ago - and it was at Mid-Ohio!! I don't race them anymore for many of the reasons you laid out. I was told a long time ago that SVRA's owner does not consider the racers to be his customers. The sponsors are the customers. Explains a lot. But fear not, Vintage racing is alive and well with a few good clubs. (Full disclosure - I am a board member with VDCA). We do not cater to the big rigs and don't rent track time to Formula Fuck4 or TAFuck T1 and TAFuck T2. We are run by grass-roots kind of guys and we had full grids of vintage cars at our most recent event at VIR. VRG also does a great job and has good events. I would be remiss if I did not also mention the Formula Ford Challenge Series on the East Coast where we are regularly getting grids of 30-40 vintage FFs (I race a Lola T340). Don't give up on Vintage Racing just because Tony at SVRA has found way to monetize it that doesn't give a shit about the vintage cars.

Nothing will ever be exactly how you like it. Been vintage racing now for 23 years. Yes the game has been "upped" in equipment, driving and money. But it sounds like you went to a crappy event. Good regional events are out there, attended by people showing up in pickup trucks pulling 24' trailers, and not the "arrive and drive" crowd. I still enjoy it, all that other stuff fades away when you are sitting in pre-grid.

I'm just gonna say Casey'd be really happy in Argentina, we got everything vintage racing was in the USA, hope it gets better, cheers mate

I get your position, but you are talking about one group...SVRA. They are what you say they are, but you should try VSCDA and many of the other volunteer / non-profit sanctioning bodies. I ran a Can-Am car and currently run a Club Ford and vintage racing is fine in the other groups...for the most part. Your complaint seems to be focused on SVRA only.

This is not news. I experienced the same thing when Hillclimbing in the UK during the 1980’s. Imagine the results when all the Group B Rally cars got sold off to rich guys who then blew the mortals away. Then image a time when a mortal could afford a classic Mini, or. Ford Lotus Cortina or Mustang, or Vette etc etc and go racing. Jeez, every suitable car now, even the simple ones, are worth fortunes and out of reach of the average guy. I remember being at Mallory Park watching a Vintage series from the Paddock, getting to know the owners before signing up. There was a young kid, rich kid. He was so aggressive and had no care if he smashed into an old guy in his D-Type. Eventually, the series died because guys who cared about their vintage cars got wrecked every weekend by teenage dicks with daddy’s cheque book.

Colour me shocked at rich people ruining things. A few things i see tho about what you said. No one doing the "meat and potatoes" vintage racing are gonna go to f1, so somewhat shortsighted to expect to have an older high end car and be left to their own devices. Horsepower (peepee measuring) competitions are always gonna happen. That's racing. I bet some of those vintage racers are mighty spicey, maybe they should be left to the pros. Here's a solution that i participate in with current cars that may translate to the greater population density in the states for vintage racing: the track itself runs a series. Make the cars comply to a sensible set of safety rules and make the drivers show they are competent enough at that track (a coupla sessions with the track's instructors) and bam, join the fun. And that is the key, fun. The only prize we win is a beer glass and a beer to pour into it. Maybe vintqge racing won't translate into that formula but maybe just revise your expectations. I suspect you are similar to me in that building the car is half the fun of all of this. Like i said, no one here is going to f1, so may as well have fun with the outrageous amounts of sometimes not disposable income we spend on this lol. It supports the local track as well as being significantly cheaper than "big boy" racing.

Here's my question: Has the decline of Vintage racing necessitated the involvement of non-vintage series for the events to take place? I have no idea how much money it costs to rent the facility and get all the EMS and whatnot together for a weekend of racing like that, but FR and F4 no doubt bring a lot of it and it might be a necessary evil at this point in time. I think there's also a certain thing going on with vintage racing where a lot of the people interested in running the cars are the same people who either grew up around the cars or grew up watching those cars. people like yourself being the exception. I also don't think the licensing requirements should be too stringent, but I would worry for the other competitors to a certain degree if there were none at all. whether there is or isn't some licensing in place, I have no idea.

It's a tragic situation, Vintage race cars are some of the neatest things to see and experience.

Unfortunately i think you are correct, i have a fiat 124 coupe vintage race car, but with the cost, time and i get the feeling i am just a bother to them it has really put a damper on my enthusiasm to race. I dont think they understand i can go karting and have as much fun, or i can go sailing, hang gliding, kayaking or a dozen other things and have just as much fun and for less money.

Money, money, money. It's all about money. The guy who owns the track needs to make enough money to keep the doors open. Even if he wants to run a race track, eventually he has to sell the land to a golf course (Bridgehampton) or worse, a housing development. I have watched the number of participants dwindle during every economic downturn, 1990, 2001, and 2008 (I've been gone since 2008). Even in autocrossing, half of the participants disappeared each time the economy tanked. Then the venue has to raise prices because there are fewer participants which is a death spiral unless they do unpopular consolidation you mentioned to get more participants. Meanwhile the natural inflation of the times is making the price of everything else go up too. The lazy answer is to attract rich people. They have money to burn and don't really care about spending too much as long as there is nobody important laughing at them saying, 'You spent how much on that???!!!???' or some other important person saying, 'Wow, smart investment!.' (it's really all just a gentrified game of liars poker - same as the world of fine art) But as you say, rich money chases out common enthusiasts. I used to be able to do a club 10 sprint race season for $5,000 (consumables, entry fees, hotel, etc, no crashes). I think that would translate to $10,000 now but I doubt I could do it that cheaply. (plus I don't know if I can afford $10,000 now like I could $5,000 then)

I think it’s the insurance companies that start dictating conditions and then when licensing comes in, there’s usually someone making money on that. The gentrification is the result of that, I think. I see similar stuff in PCA club racing in that i see more of the older generation racing, not many of the younger guys into it, and I’ve been told that in the older days, a lot of guys would race their street cars

Honestly vintage racing is amazing to watch

Yup

Out with the old in with the new...

simple answer, yes.

We couldn't afford to buy a true vintage car so I bought an incomplete kit and we finished it. Then we discovered that it was almost impossible to find any where to drive it. It has been a disappointing experience.

Is way cheaper to make a new cheapo race car, For mix categoríes.and Time attack for example just get a civic, Corvette. Or something thats not break the bank. If You destroy ir dont lose much. There is not much money in the common to rebuild a classic race car. That are getting expensive.

You have calibre 11??? If not new one is totally cool too

Funny, 2005 or so was when American grassroots rally started to die too, in that case it was more due to a rapid increase in entry fees.

😪 Gone are the day's of people wanting to enjoy Vintage Racing using what they have (not much) and learning how to drive (after MUCH TRAINING) and making the best out of it... 😪

Hear hear.

this happens in all hobby´s, sadly... Even in RC flying Hobby, rich and pilot wannabees makes it more serious than it has to be. and that´s kills the hobby.

In the UK and France things are a bit different. Systematic gentrification is crap, passion is better.

Why is this censored?!?!?

always can race tour de lemons

I quit SCCA because what was affordable in the 1990s became a sport of the rich now. And their dues and entry fees reflect this.

Sounds like SVRA. So sad

The "papers" request isn't a joke anymore.. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Don't upset the scrutineer guy.. He'll punish you with "Zeee cooler for two veeks"...

Same shit in Europe

pansies in large part have ruined motorsports. every time sanctioning bodies need to make a move in the direction of safety it almost always means worse racing. I think that's part of the reason why f1 from the 70-80s is so highly regarded. yes the death rate was astronomical when compared to today but the racing was masters of their craft at the limit. yeah it sucks so many good drivers were killed but ultimately they made the decision every time to get into the seat. they knew the risks and went out and raced in spite of it. it goes back to what Casey said about taking personal responsibility.

Money is holding humanity back!!