"Islam is Both a Religion and a Political Philosophy" | Niall Ferguson 

There is no such thing as moderate Muslims.

A friend of mine says that it is a political idealogy masquerading as a religion. I think this is especially true as it manifests in the west.

"...and as defeated as the Nazis were in 1945" Ferguson might want to review Operation Paperclip before he says things like that.

I support Israel in this situation. But Christianity resisted the separation of church and state for centuries. Surely Nial, you know this? Of course you do, but you are knowingly misrepresenting facts. The only reason the West achieved church and state separation was because of the Reformation , The Enlightenment and secular rejection of religious dogma. And thank goodness for that. It's painful to think that you have abandoned rational analysis.

West focuses on Palestine state, where Islam focuses on divine central authority

Comes down to the thorny problem of Islam vs Islamism. Islamism is political Islam. For a long time Muslim thinkers claimed religion had no place in statecraft, according to Mohammed's own words. The secular Ataturk was nominally a Muslim.

I really hope this conversation moves onto a national level. I doubt the folks in power have the balls to take on the issue though

Right on Niall!!!

That is the whole problem. The koran stands above all and everyone according to islam.

The Jews will always be with us, the Lord, Yahweh, will not allow His people to be destroyed. Satan knows his days are numbered , thus we see these unholy alliances forming. Those who dont follow Christ are anti-Christ and their father is Satan. Itll get worse as the earth groans under the weight of sin, and lawlessness will increase as the love of many will grow cold. We're already witnessing the great falling away in the Church, evil being called good. Jesus Christ will be returning soon. Maranatha!

Oh really Niall? Well if the British loving and American loving Muslims are so prevalent, where were their voices condemning Hamas, and the 3/4 of Palestinian people supporting Hamas? YOU, NIALL, ARE A LIAR!

Re: "Islam is Both a Religion and a Political Philosophy"! I think anyone with a modicum of intelligence worked that one out from day one Niall!

Completely incompatible

The way christianity was MADE to recognise the difference between church and state............... DID ID NOT HAPPEN BY MAGIC, TOOK A LONG TIME!🤨 check out those Enlightenment values eh?🤔

Thank you well done excellent research

Listening to the challenging, complex yet crucially vital issues raised and discussed in depth here on your platform John, for me symbolises that hope still lives on despite the terrifying darkness that surrounds us during these times of great peril. I'm so grateful, firstly for the contextual accuracy and true, factual accounting of both past and present events being the driving force at the heart of the discourse. Tragically, we see discussions centred around the same topics held in other forums and especially media being driven by half truths (at best), the twisting of narratives deliberately presented out of contextual integrity in order to manufacture false perceptions generated on the basis of fallacies to begin with. I hope and pray that fact and truth will will be given centre stage and stemming from that place of truth an emergence of exponential change, shining brightly for the betterment of humanity in its entirety.

Political yes but not a philosophy rather the original dystopian project.

when i was Muslim they told me if you don't believe Islam is a religion and state you are not Muslim

So much misinformatuon and anti-Christian propaganda on this thread!

Sorry to interrupt but there's a mouse on the shelf at 0:54.

"I slam" both the religion and the political system since they're both based on the Quraan and are therefore ultimately inseparable.

Contrast the political dominance and conquest of Islam versus the teaching of Jesus: “Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?” Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?” Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.” Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭18‬:‭33‬-‭37‬ ‭

It’s a religious philosophy,combined with a political philosophy,combined with a military philosophy,as is Judaism ,they are nearly the same

Jews started to have nightmares in Europe not in the Islamic world .

Different religions have different takes on the secular state. Traditionally, Islam has not had any such concept; it does not seem to be very popular today in Muslim-dominated countries. Pope Benedict XVI clarified that the existence of a secular state is a structural principle of Christianity. You choose which approach you prefer.

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modern Islam is just what happens when the clerical class get power and manage to keep it for hundreds of years. European Christianity almost got to the the same place in the early 1000's but the ruling class kept interfering until the clerics were constrained to just theology and NO politics. Their political power carried over into the last century, but was severely reduced. Meanwhile, the Muslin nations amplified the clerics in their midst cause it seemed like an easier path to sustained power. So far it has worked for them. when the current leadership of muslin countries sees the clerics as threats, they will change tact.

Muhammad was a military commander and conqueror. Peaceful military commander?

What can be done to promote the aspiration, within the Ummah, of a return to an Evolved Golden Age of Islam.

Could listen to Niall/ John all day ..Dublin

Where does the Bible separate Church and state?

Thank you Niall!

Very well stated. Thank you.

Too late zippy professor Bill Warner said that years ago.

As is socialism.

Is Zionism a religion and a political ideology?

Alhamdulillaah i'm a muslim ❤ From india 🇮🇳

Judaism is a religion and a political philosophy and partly an ethnicity.

⚠️ Regarding Islam, I’d like to share something important that I’ve learned. It’s taken me years to finally realize this......I think I’ve resisted coming to this conclusion - It was a big pill to swallow. Islam is not evil due to direct manipulation and control by rogue terrorist groups and extremists - It’s core doctrine is evil in and of itself. There are many many people in the world who call themselves Muslims. I’ve met some over the years - Many of them have kind souls. You could say they are the ‘Moderates’. There may be Moderate Muslims, unfortunately there is no such thing as Moderate Islam. I’ve realized that there is no definitive line in the sand within Islam that a Moderate Muslim can lean against that will prevent them from being forced to become a ‘true Muslim’ (Shariah-adherent). The Moderates have no logical or doctrine-based leg to stand on. They have no argument that supersedes what the Islamic scholars, and the core doctrine demand. It doesn’t matter what your Muslim neighbor interprets Islam to be. A Muslim doesn’t make Islam, rather Islam makes the Muslim. Someone not supporting the violent oppressive parts of Islam doesn’t mean they’re following a different version; it simply means they’re not adherent to what Islam requires. For all those who say Islam can be interpreted in a peaceful and virtuous manner, there’s one question I have for them - Where is this peaceful ‘version’ taught? Where is it officially codified? Where can I learn about it from an authorized source? A shocker for me was that Islam is not just religion. As stated in the textbook ‘What Islam Is All About’, which is widely used throughout Islamic schools in the US, Islam is a complete way of life: Religious, Legal, Political, Social, Military, and Economic. If it was religion only, I wouldn’t care what it teaches - To each their own. But when a political and legal system starts determining what happens to the lives of outsiders (non-Muslims), that’s where I have a problem. There are only 2 examples in all of world history that have been able to bounce back after being conquered by Islam: Spain and one other that I can’t recall. All others subjected to it have eventually fallen to be ruled over by Islam. Individual Muslims may be wonderful and non-threatening. But history speaks for itself when it comes to the overall long term effect when large groups of Muslims populate a society - Look at the past 1400 years. I realize this may seem harsh, but it’s just the truth. My motivation isn’t to spread hate, but rather to help wake people up to the reality of all this. I’m not a Muslim. I don’t speak Arabic. I haven’t been to Mecca. Everything I’ve mentioned above comes from the same things found in authoritative Islamic texts and what’s taught in Islamic schools throughout the US and all over the planet. You’re all free to find out for yourself.

Duh. Has been from the start. Religion moderates their behavior, otherwise the Muslim would be a classic fascist.

Throwing out Palestinian both muslim and christians from their homes, bombing, harrasing and blockading them for decades and still Israel and their henchmen play victim....its appalling.

So too is the Vatican and the Church of Rome both a religion and a Political State Ideology in fact the Vatican is the smallest Country in the world

I consider the separation of state and church a myth, and do not think that it applies to christianity implicitly, and someone can correct me if this is scripturally explicit, unless I am mischaracterising the statement - as religion is a super-politic. Politics is down-stream from religion, as much as we might pretend it isn't in the modern world - our western politics are informed by our past and present, although implicit, religious beliefs. The question of Islam becomes a political one from an atheist point of view, but to a believer, the question is - Which religion is right or wrong? When people worship false Gods, I don't think Christians are going to say it is because they voted for the wrong people. Rather, the other way around. And I'm sure all Muslims would say of their own Islam that it is more religious than political, and to that point it doesn't really matter if people disagree with that. You can change someone's religious beliefs even if it conflicts with their political beliefs, you can seldom change someone's politics if it conflicts with their religious beliefs.

I am a Muslim, and yet I separate religion from politics... I do not mean that Islam does not link religion and the state, but I say that this has no importance (in reality) in interpreting (the history of )Islamic countries and no interpretation of the present of Muslims...just as I do not mean that the New Testament did not separate religion from politics, but this, too, had no importance or meaning in the history of Christians or their present...human history is not a reflection of the people’s holy book...we will not find In Buddhism, what explains the Buddhists in Burma killing the Rohingya? Buddha did not say this, but the Buddhists take this into account in their political human behavior, and there it is, and I can find more important examples

This is a bit much. I'm glad you feel an 'intense loyalty' but for I can't find mine.

Ferguson is biased to the point that he's losing credibility as a historian.

Love Niall Ferguson!!!

Like blm?

Habeck is not the German foreign minister, that is Annalena Baerbock, he is the minister for economy (economic ruin) and climate.

Islam and Judaism chose Plato , Christianty chose Aristotle. The former two have more in common then they realise, and its a shame they cant come together to critique Christianity which is responsible for some of the worst aspects of modernity (historicism and subjectivity)

Christianity, which is said to separate religion from the state, had the most control over the civil state and the appointment of rulers in Europe, and the religious courts had the right to try any civil citizen, while the civil courts did not have the right to try any cleric!! In addition to the Inquisition. The separation between state and religion in Europe occurred recently because of the state, not because of the Christian religion, and therefore the difference is not between Christianity and Islam, but rather between modern European social and cultural development and the countries of the South.

I think you'll find Israel is both religious and political as well..

Much the same as Zionism

Did you know that in the not too long ago past there were Jewish Iranian citizens, Jewish Palestinian citizens and Jewish Syrian .. Egyptian.. citizens. These citizens did not encombre the ethos or the political views of these countries, the way their presence stuck out in European countries.. This has to be taken into view today for what it is worth.

What it is APolitice.? Because religion we know what its .please dont try explain sicences .😂Are not the same? Do you think Isreal fight about politice ?or Palestine...

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