You missed the point of Brad Holmes being put in charge of the more important position. Sheila Ford also pushes for more women in football. She hired the BEST people for the jobs. You’re right, there are owners that act like that, but Sheila knows how to hire people solely on their merits and how they are. Lions fans are also attacking anyone who was hating on MCDC
Brad Holmes being hired, and diversity being apart of the lions organization. Still doesn’t address the point of her argument. Black coaches don’t get the opportunity that MCDC received. Not being credentialed. Still get a head coaching job. Also how over 70% of OC’s and QB are white. There aren’t black offense minded head coaches. Black men only get hired for the defensive side of the ball.
@@dieselemt15312 seasons if that last coach y'all had before this season never won that game that they we're supposed to lose to then the Texans would pick Bryce and CJ was gonna be a panther
weird how y'all aren't upset that women aren't represented fairly in plumbing, construction, brick layer, engineering, mechanics, trucking driving, or lawn care. It almost seems like women only want to be represented in high paying, air conditioned office jobs.... "equality when it benefits us" kind of thing.
Something that I think could be added onto this is the fact that the Lions hired a black General Manager in Brad Holmes, as well as the fact that Dan Campbell brought in several people to his coaching staff who were black too, one of which looks to potentially soon be a HC candidate of his own in Aaron Glenn. The Detroit Lions are absolutely giving opportunities for blacks on their staff, and how they've succeeded as a team shows just how effective they've been.
@michaelshan22 yes they are. But Jemele’s tweet was made immediately after his press conference when hired. No one could have known that is the road he would take, hiring a lot of minorities on his staff, etc. so while it is true, pointing that out within the confines of this thread about this video is hindsight.
@@thechocolatewriter8680 Of course it is hindsight, just saying that it’s something that Jemele could have mentioned in the video as something we know now.
Dan's first OC and DC were both black. The "playcalling opportunity that black coaches rarely get." What made Dan's intro speech so awesome was the fact that he was speaking directly to Detroit Lions fans and "inside the building." Fans of other teams didn't "get it" because they haven't endured the struggles of Lions fans. Dan understood the assignment. Bienemy doesn't understand Detroit like Dan.
@@michaelshan22 there’s no need to mention it since “we all know” this, and it played out after her tweet. It’s not necessary to mention in this context. Why? Because her premise has nothing to do with Dan the man. She wasn’t saying that Dan would not hire black personnel. If she had said or implied that, then this would have been relevant.
@@shawnwesley364 who said Bieniemy does or has to “understand” like Campbell to be successful? Also, do we really know what Bieniemy does and does not understand? No.
Alot? Shiit most of the credit because I don't think Dan Campbell is a good Xs and Os coach his players have Baile him out way to many times he reminds me of Doc Rivers😂
One crazy example of a black coach who was horribly mistreated happened right here with Jim Caldwell. When the Lions let go of him I couldn't help but scratch my head and wonder why?? He was an amazing coach who had the Lions winning!! He took a team that Jim Schwartz destroyed and brought them to 10-6 with a playoff berth in his very first year. Firing him was a huge mistake. I loved that guy, didn't understand it when he was fired and was whole heartedly disgusted when I found out how inept his successor Matt Patricia was as a head coach. I can't believe you didn't bring that example up Jemele!!
a bunch of nothing. campbell was on that 0-16 team and he has a right to be emotional about him wanting to make the lions a winner and change the culture of the team. it's what the lions and detroit needed. you're right, campbell probably doesn't want your apology.
The problem is that you did the exact same thing you’re fighting against. You judged a book by its cover. You made a snap judgment based solely on a press conference and then tweeted. Were you alone in your assessment? No. Was it profiling? Yes. What I agree with is the need to fight for more diversity in coaching and leadership hires. I’m just disappointed that a person fighting so hard to make that point fails to see the error of her own ways. You watched the press conference and concluded he’s a meathead, so he must be dumb and incapable because you looked at him through the lens of the typical hire: a traditionally trained, articulate coach who talks in refined cliches with the standard, coaching experience and background. Profiling right back at you. You judged a book by its cover. Looking more deeply at atypical hires (Campbell, Deion, etc) with an open mind is fighting the status quo. And that, as with minority representation, is really what’s worth fighting for.
Black coaches and "unconventional" coaches like Dan are two very different things. Judging someone for their philosophy, motivational tactics, etc is part of the coaching hire analysis, but judging people FOR THEIR SKIN is entirely different man. And yes, in this case Dan turned out to be deserving, but again, historically the same coach in a Black coach's body does not have anywhere near the same odds of getting hired.
@@Goldenboy48Unfortunately it is ingrained in black hones and communities. "Blame whitey" is a crutch I was taught early and often. And yes race hustlers make big money off getting white people to feel guilty.
You seem to not acknowledge that Jim Caldwell was the Lions head coach a few years back, you didn't not look at prior Lion head coaches to show they have hired Afro American coach not long ago. He was a good coach, by the way and he should have not been let go. He did have coaching experience before coming to Detroit.
I guess! SF Had Down years too not as bad as The Lions. If you from Detroit we breed on Loyalty & Picking outside the City Lines is wack s***. Just cause you're from Detroit doesn't mean you're with us Good or Bad. I'm a All Detroit Sports team Fan. I'd never switch up on Detroit Sports.
Funny ... campbell hired a black man in Aaron Glenn to call plays He actually hired Kelvin Shepard a Lb coach and I get it ... the race thing is a thing but campbell shouldn't be the target he came in hired black people as a coordinator position who I may add will be a head coach Plus the lions have woman all over in front office positions and advocating for more women to get those jobs
She can bring up all the facts she wants, but end of the day she was wrong about Campbell. As for the Texans what was culley and smiths record with the team? Mediocre coaching doesn't keep you in the job long for most teams no matter your race.
Jamel I’m a black 65 year old Orthooedic Surgeon, born in Detroit ( BeunaVista). I have LOVED your take on almost everything you write. I can even understand your take on this topic. You were right about the doors open for black coaches. I was able to listen thru the kneecap stuff to see Dan had what I felt was the right attitude. You are right about the discrimination. Jamel I love you and will continue to, but I hope your 49’ers lose Sunday
@andrewjones7150 completely agree, sounds like players didn't care for him either, which seems to be the word on almost all Belechick assistants who go other places
No, you are wanting to bash Flores for that, when Flores has been a successful head coach regardless@@brianschmidt4429 . You seem to be bothered by Jemele mentioning facts about clear double standards with Black and White head coaches.
Aaron Glenn , a black defensive coach for the 2023-24 Detroit Lions , stands a great chance of being hired as an NFL Head Coach after the season is over ! --- Dan Campbell is loved across the USA as a GREAT coach who has brought The Detroit Lions to within ONE game of the SUPERBOWL ! The players LOVE him , black and white . Also Brad Holmes ( a black man ) - had a hand in the hiring of Dan Campbell . However ! --- Jemele Hill DOES have a good point about the hiring of black Head Coaches in general . ( and , of course , no problem if you are a 49ers fan ! )
All of this to say that black or white campbell was probably the only person who got the area ... nevermind the fact that that same organization hired a black man to be it's gm So it about race then why brad Holmes hiring
This whole video is black vs white coaches. If they didn’t believe in Dan Campbell, they wouldn’t have brought him in. What’s more annoying is they hired Brad Holmes and have a mass majority of minority coaches on this staff….. ppl like her and Rob Parker always finds some negative in success no matter what Detroit does.
@@Kphillips0909 "The whole video is black vs white coaches" if that is the only thing you got from that entire video, we'll, I'll just say that is unfortunate!!! Another missed opportunity to actually comprehend something!
This whole video was idiocy, especially with MCDC being the man in question. The Detroit Lions hired a black GM BEFORE MCDC was hired. Then Campbell proceeded to hire Aaron Glenn AND Anthony Lynn. I just don't get it.
LOVE Dan Campbell, LOVED his introductory press conference, but Jemele is on point as she usually is. His success, or Dimiko Ryans success for that matter, does not disprove the obvious bias, goal-post moving, and racial cronyism that is going on in the NFL and the "real" world as well.
Does the experience of being an assistant head coach equate at all with being a coordinator, because Campbell was an assistant head coach and/or interim head coach for several years
I think with regard to bienemy there was questions of who was really calling the plays at KC. A good coordinator does not necessarily make a good head coach. The technical stuff matters as much as the leader of men. It's an intangible that does not show up directly on the score sheet but is very important to team dynamics. Black coaches have to walk a fine line if they are not in organization where they were groomed into the position. Plus it's the relationship with ownership that affords some coaches more leeway.
@@jman1562001 there we go moving the goal post again! Andy Reid on many occasions has made it quite clear that Eric was the one drawing up the plays and calling the place of course in consultation with Andy but he did the exact same thing with the two white coordinators before him that will hired and Matt Nagy bombed in Chicago. There were never any questions about them calling any plays. Your statement/argument doesn't hold any validity because of this.
You left out where Campbell was the assistant head coach behind Sean Payton for 4 years. Yes, he was the tight ends coach also, but he also had lead administrative responsibilities, which obviously lead to him getting the job with Detroit. As for EB not getting a head coaching job, the only guess is his interviews are either really bad, or he isnt behind the scenes seen as a "leader of men" like Campbell is. Other black coaches are getting opportunities, Bienemy not getting one year after year speaks volumes on him personally, not black coaches.
@@dknapp100 actually it's deeper than that. Even though I disagree with her point about Dan Campbell, I am around her her age and from Detroit as well. I didn't know anyone on the Lions Team when I was younger either. San Francisco and Dallas played on TV every Week and San Fran was winning all playoff games. I finally became a fan after they drafted Herman Moore in 91....the same year they got that first ever playoff win in the Super Bowl Era. A lot of Detroiters from that time have another team they followed because the lions were not good until 91.
@@tslifetree Its not that deep. I'm 44. Lived 28 min from Detroit my entire life. We had a guy named Barry Sanders before 91. Detroit vs. Everybody. Ever notice how Jemelle & anyone else who pulled that fake $hit is full of excuses? Stop. I am from that Era.
I hate to burst her bubble, but time has shown that Campbell was by far the best coach available. They were absolutely right to not give preferential treatment to a different coach because he was black. She's kind of a hypocrite.
@@JamaalMills Jemele Hill. The lions were interviewing to find the best head coach, and she insisted they find the best Black coach. Ironically she's the one who was judging people and their actions by their skin color. She has the racist mind.
@@tomanderson1942 she never said that you read black and assumed racist thoughts she clearly laid out with statistics her point Campbell can coach and there can be a issue with minority coaches the 2 aren’t mutually exclusive
@@JamaalMills That's exactly what she said. " this is what black coaches are losing opportunities to." That Campbell was given the opportunity because he was white, over supposedly "better" black coaches. She should just admit she was wrong, and people should stop making excuses fir her.
@@tomanderson1942 it’s not making excuses she clearly laid out her points with stats Campbell can be a good coach and the league can have a issue that can be a possibility
Dan played at Detroit as a player and went 0-16 and had true insight into what kind of mess he was getting into. He wasl also an assistant HC for a few years with the Saints. You can argue your point for as long as you want but it was still a tweet that you shouldn’t have made. And I will agree that there is definitely an issue with the NFL and its hiring practices. Flores and Wilkes were both done wrong recently imo…..but that still doesn’t excuse your tweet. I’m also going to bet you NEVER apologize for anything.
I tried to come into this with an open mind but it’s pretty disingenuous to say that the original tweet wasn’t a comment on his coaching ability. It pretty clearly meant you thought he wasn’t qualified. Don’t have to apologize but it would be worth it to examine what lead to misjudging Dan and taking steps to avoid that mistake in the future.
Really! You may have come in with an open mind, but your eyes must have been closed or your comprehension is off. The tweet had nothing to do with his capabilities but more with his bombastic attitude.
Not sure why everyone made a big deal about this in the first place, this never held any water from the beginning. The GM who the head coach essentially answers to on the SAME team is African American, which is a big part along with Dan Campbell on thier recent success. If race went into the decision of hiring Dan Campbell then why is the GM there?
Jemele, you did an absolute superb job on this!!! The research of facts and how you put this together - needs to be a 90 minute documentary ASAP!! Thank you for this - fifty-lebin times!! 🔥🎯🎯
Why didn't Dan deserve an opportunity, if you're upset with the system, say that or even just call out the lions organization. You took a shot and a guy who didn’t seem smart based on your initial interaction. Not a big deal but seems silly to pretend like it wasn’t a shot.
Believe it or not - her shot was at the system. That was the bigger point at the start. But you can't take a shot at the system without also taking a shot at DC. The problem is that many seems to forget that she was taking a shot at the system and only remembers who was used in the process (DC). Why, maybe because the same people tend not to see systemic racism in something so obvious (and many do not)!!! It's sad she even have to explain it but it's also another opportunity to educate - which she did!
Mrs. Hill…I, as a conservative black man, understood EVERY damn word you said THEN and NOW! You are completely and entirely…CORRECT!!! I am a former GOP’er who now is a conservative/centrist democrat. What you have said is one of the reasons that I have grown as a black man! When are WE as black men gonna get the “gamble” hire like our counterparts. When are WE as black folks gonna get the job that “maybe” we shouldn’t have gotten on paper but someone just “felt” good about us!!! It is a pervasive mindset by the majority of America and not just in sports. Look around…in politics, business, government, basically the private AND public sector…if you’re black you must be “special” and over qualified to get the job. And it goes on and on…thank you for sticking to your guns!!!
This makes your tweet more baffling. DC used to play for the Lions. Is it possible the Lions ownership was like "we want a head coach with coaching experience AND ties to the Detroit Lions." That likely narrowed down the prospects quite a bit. With the Lions having a black GM, a black defensive coordinator, and recently having Jim Caldwell as a head coach, it's established that the Lions organization isn't racist. So the NFL is? But then you go on to cite the Patriots hiring Mayo. Buccaneers have Todd Bowles. Whatever you're being called on Twitter seems accurate.
I love Dan Campbell and always felt he was qualified for the job. But she is definitely speaking truth when it comes to black coaches getting the same consideration for these types of positions.
Being a black man, I feel what you’re saying. BUT I can’t ignore that the GM they hired at the SAME time, is a BLACK man who had NO GM experience! At all. So, it just doesn’t line up and it’s like your baiting. But hey, do you.
@ Jemele Hill, Your full of pride. Why dont you just show some humility and admit you were wrong. Dan Campbell is one of the best coaches in the league.
@@MrRonjivRoy 🤣😆😂😆🤣😆😂 yeah that's not how it works at all, but i get it: you don't have an actual valid counterpoint to make so you had to write SOMEthing, even if it was dumb as hell. I see why you sympathize with him lol. Bless your heart, you tried. 😊
@@1Bakes small minded and inexperienced people saw "corny". Sorry but it's true. The players didn't see corny, they saw a guy who isn't misrepresenting himself, ever. Other coaches in the league who unanimously love DC saw a guy spilling his heart out to the city/region. I saw a guy lay out a passionate, clear vision. He talked about every aspect of the role, how the role should intermingle with GM on down to assistants, etc. He talked about how they want to draft and, very specifically develop players and culture. I could go on and on but why don't you watch it for yourself again and try to get over your initial "cringe", drop the ignorance, and hear the SUBSTANCE.
@@1Bakes, If thats the case then why hasnt she publicly said "Dan Campbell had a bad introductory press conference but hes a great coach" Shes full of herself and egotistical.
I do agree with you, the coaching hiring practices are bizarre, last year I wanted my team, The Panthers, to keep the interim coach Steve Wilkes, to stay and coach another year, but we went with Reich, and we were terrible, went from our best season in 5 years to worst season in team history.
Frank Reich is an awesome coach he had no talent the owner wanted Bryce young to be the quarterback Frank reich's hands were tied they have pathetic general manager and lame owner
@@SteveAustin-jp3ev oh don’t get me wrong, I think Reich is absolutely capable, but the issue is what Wilkes accomplished, took a team that was 5-11 for 4 years, came in halfway through the season with a 1-4 record and eventually went 7-10, our BEST season in 5 years, why move on from that? I’m not saying he should have signed Wilkes to a 5 year deal, but one full year, it’s all I wanted to see, but he was passed up. And again I don’t blame Reich, I 100 percent blame Tepper.
I think the Las Vegas Raiders did hire their Dan Campbell. Antonio Pearce has that kind of thing going with his team. Give them a couple of year and the Raiders might do a similar thing. I'm not a Raiders fan by the way.
I don’t care if they grew up in Minnesota, cheered for the bears their whole life and are painted packers colors. If they fit the team, the team believes in them. And will do what ever is in their power to win games. That’s the coach I want
My intelligent sister Jamel, it's not what you say that they don't like. It's because you speak so well and know what you're talking about. That's intimidating to their fears and insecurities. Keep doing you and giving the facts!
Lions hired Brad Holmes, who had no experience as GM, over several candidates with more experience. While it is possible that race played a part, never once have you entertained the thought that just maybe Dan was who fit the new image. Many of their hires have a connection to Michigan. He played for the Lions during the 0-16 season, so he knew the team and culture, and was known as a spark plug in the locker room. He was widely loved by the players around him. The Lions have tried traditional coaches, and look at where it has gotten them. I can at least have some respect for you for double downing on your animosity. I agree it is easier being a 49ers fan.
This is a little facetious. Brad Holmes was a scout for the LA Rams in some capacity for nearly two decades. By the end of his tenure there he had worked his way up to the director of college scouting working directly under Les Sneed. It was clear to anyone who followed the NFL that Brad Holmes was going to get an opportunity sooner or later. He was a finalist for the GM position with the Atlanta Falcons. He was the individual that scouted Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, and Jared Goff. I love Dan Campbell but had the Lions not hired him he'd probably still be looking for a job today. The Lions were in a unique position and took a gamble and it paid off.
@orlandobrown8190 that's not true. If he didn't get the Lions job, he'd probably be the head coach of the Saints. He was SP's assistant head coach and next in line.
@@alanwoodwind5265Which is exactly her point. Eric B. Has won 2SB’s and has a track record of success. He’s made Patrick Mahomes a winner and made Sam Howell a solid QB. He deserves a job. A lot of losing OC’s have gotten HC jobs and sucked.
@ecalebw nobody "deserves". If by winning was the case, Bill Belichick should have been the first hire for a HC position. Eric Bienemy has something going on that in 5 hiring sessions, nobody has touched him. Nothing to do with his successes as a coordinator or coach, there is simply something else going on. Bienemy has interviewed at only Washington. He was the OC, and like you said, he turned around Sam Howell. But Raheem Morris interviewed with the Seahawks, Falcons, and Commanders. Aaron Glenn interviewed with the Chargers, Commanders, Titans, and the Falcons. Two other black coaches with less success than Bienemy got way more interviews. It tells me like I said before, it's something about Bienemy himself, and not him being black. Hell, the rumor is that they are waiting to announce Ben Johnson as the Commanders pick until the Lions lose or win it all. Bienemy has had way more success overall than Johnson, but they'd bring in a guy from the outside over their own? Something about him, nothing else.
@@SapphicStephwho said she wasn’t? She has no damn choice All she ever did was sit on her ass for years on espn talking shit & saying goofy shit And for her to even admit she’s not a lions fan, why did she give a fuck about their hire? That’s like me claiming not to care about a homeless person but I get upset because somebody gave that person $100 And look at how long it took for her to say something She just tryna keep people from coming at her because she thought espn was her friends
Your direct quote, "This is who black coaches are losing opportunities to." If that isn't insulting, I don't know what is. You fired off this tweet with a predetermined judgement based on a first impression when watching a snippet of MCDC's press conference. Did you watch the full hour and a half introductory presser? Probably not. If you did you would have had a better understanding of the message he was giving the team, the city of Detroit, and long-suffering Lions fans. It wasn't meant for the national media to grab a hold of and run with. Then you try to look credible when you bring up that other journalists and other people found his "biting kneecaps" statement odd too. Well, Jemele, I'm originally from Detroit as well, and I watched the entire press conference, not some sound bite, and found it inspirational. MCDC talked about the struggle, the pain, the hardships that Detroiters face each day and that he wanted to put a product on the field that Detroiters can be proud of. And he has. MCDC has followed through with everything he has said so far with his actions. It's not Dan Campbell's fault that the NFL has had a huge problem with hiring Black Head Coaches. That was a problem long before he got into coaching after his eleven-year playing career. MCDC played for the Lions. MCDC wanted this Head Coaching job. Speaking of the Detroit Lions, their GM, Brad Holmes is Black. Their ownership group hired him because he was impressive and he was qualified for the job, and he has proven as such. Have you also forgot this ownership group hired Jim Caldwell as their Head Coach in 2014? I think you do owe Dan Campbell an apology, because you totally failed to mention the back coaches on his staff that he hired and has given an opportunity to. DC Aaron Glenn. LB coach Kelvin Sheppard. Defensive line coach John Scott. Corner Backs coach Dre Bly. Running Backs coach/Assistant HC Scottie Montgomery. Wide Receivers coach Antwaan Randle El. And there are others on the staff. And they all do a fantastic job in preparing their players during the week so they can go out and produce on game-day. The fact that you can't admit your tweet was biased, dumb, and unfounded only adds to the list of absurdities that has followed you for your entire career.
As a Lions fan I get the reaction to the Campbell hiring. And yes, the Lions did skip over qualified black candidates. Leaning on the Lions for racial bias seems to be an over-reaction though. There are many teams who have NEVER hired a black head coach, but Lions are not among them, they have and it wasn't but a few years before they hired Dan. You of all people should have understood who Dan was talking to in the presser. He wasn't talking to any of you pundits and talking heads out there.
And if this is what's happening in one of the most high profile business entities of america-let us just imagine what is happening in the lower profile business entities of america
yes, and he was also interim head coach with the Dolphins before the Saints! I am disappointed in her researching as a person who was getting paid to be a sports journalist!
@@LM_357 Sports Journalism is her background. She started as a sports journalist with ESPN. I remember her vividly because she would pick the Pistons in every series they played back then. She might be an activist now, but that's her training.
So, who was the better option 3 years in? Hello!! BARRY SANDERS! Through the 90’s you missed out not seeing “God on Tuff”. I’m 44 years old and have never been a fan of any NFL Team other than the team where I’m from. Bottom line - You pick the coach who best fits your agenda. They found their man. ✅
Yeah, you do realize the 49ers won a Super Bowl in the 90's and a few in the 80's. Then went back a few years ago..... Detroit never even been to one.... now i hope they go this year. But lets not act like she made the wrong choice
You do understand that being a fan of one team doesn't make the rest of them invisible, right? 😆 And she didn't say Campbell was a bad choice, she just made fun of him for a weird press conference.
Jemele, as a black man, I somewhat agree with you, but there's caveats: When black coaches or black GMs are hired, they tend to hire white cff coordinators and white head coaches -> Recent Examples: OC: Houston, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, etc. GMs Brad Holmes, Poles in Chicago, Carthan in Tennessee, etc. I'm willing to be Raheem, Jerod, and Antionio will do the same. We're contributing to our problem.
Players want to play for coaches like this and race has nothing to do with him being a good coach. Bottom line she was flat out wrong just take the L instead of pulling the leftist race card he’s a great motivator and good coach
I'm a product of the PSL as you are (Southeastern Jungaleers where you at!), the irony of your original thought is that you did the exact same thing you're accusing the NFL of doing; you judged Dan Campbell based on his appearance and how he came across without giving him the benefit of the doubt. And you did it in a manner where you insulted him. The process is the process, but at the end of the day, football is about results. No, you don't have to apologize, as sports media personalities rarely do, it's just unfortunate that a longtime downtrodden team finally got it right, and you and hundreds of others were on the wrong side of it. There's no shame in being wrong about something, doubling down on it though isn't always the best look.
But she didn't base her decision of him on his appearance....she based it on the meathead statement and lack of experience 😂 I don't have a dog in this fight as my Texans got sent packing. She is absolutely doubling down, but it has nothing to do with him merely being white. At the time of his hire he was also unqualified in her opinion.
Jemele, you nail so much of this…that it’s not about Dan Campbell himself, but the wrongs of the process and those who control it. Just a correction: You said Jeff Saturday was “the first head coach ever hired without college or NFL head coaching experience.” Vince Lombardi. Never had a college or pro head coaching job until the Packers hired him in 1959. Though the systemic racism Blacks have endured in America makes anti-Italian-ism pale in comparison at a macro and most micro levels, Lombardi endured having NFL and college teams refuse to hire him for years, because as he put it, “my name ends in a vowel.” If you could fast-forward a non-minority coach from the past to today who gets what you’re describing, it’s Lombardi.
Why choose the Lions and Dan Campbell to make this point? Jim Caldwell was a black coach and a good coach, hired by the Lions. Also true fans of a team are fans despite the team winning or losing.
Why use this example? Why not? It was the perfect example of how black coaches were being overlooked! Just because DC is actually a great coach now does not change any of the facts! And the Lions hiring Jim Caldwell does not change it either! Heck, one could even argue that Caldwell did not get the same opportunity to stay as other coaches. Remember Caldwell was let go when the Lions were 9-7.
Jemele deflecting and obfuscation skills are top notch😂😂😂😂😂just say you were wrong on Dan he can coach. Eric is not getting opportunities because of other reasons that is inside football HC apparently 😕but she right on white guys getting unearned chances
I see no deflection here. Just because you don't like her explanation does not mean its deflection. She addressed the situation head on - with receipts!!!
There's no deflection or obfuscation, she provided context you left out in your fit of recreational outrage and rush to misrepresent her in order to pretend she was wrong about something.
@@lamontdurr1682 the deflection is she made a direct shot to Dan Campbell‘s personality bc of his press conference and hypothetically assumed that if a black man had the same type of press conference, that he would be bashed. Which is utter nonsense. That’s the basis of the video, and she veered off to make it a black vs. white thing and made Campbell the basis of the video. And because Campbell has done amazing as a head coach she owes him a fucking apology!
@@1anth Wow! You may want to look at that video again without any preconception of Jamele's motives this time - but I'll sum it up for you! What this all comes down to is whether or not you believe the "black vs white" she brought up was about something systemic or a personal jab at DC only? Your mind is obviously zoned in on DC and not her bigger point - thats is, its systemic! That was not a "veer". It was the recepts (or proof) of the systemic racial bias in the NFLs hiring trend. Anyone understanding the context of our environment at the time she tweeted this knows that seemingly more qualified black coaches were not getting the same opportunities as white coaches (this is not an opinion. This is a fact). This was less about DC and more about calling out the trend of hiring practices in the NFL! Jamele used DC as the model example precisley because most people, black or white, did not believe DC, with his knee biting quotes and all, was as qualified to become a head coach as others (e.g. some black coaches) at the time. Some people may not agree with Jamele's larger point but it would also be considered careless to totally dismiss it as if she is being a "racist" by bringing up examples of the hiring trend.
Really feel gross that I used to support Jemele b/c we went to school together. This is psychotic episode level delusion and it’s really hard to watch.
John Harbaugh was a Special Teams Coordinator, so he was a coordinator before becoming HC. Also, I don't think Leftwich is the OC for Tampa Bay anymore. I actually don't know that he's coaching in the NFL at all right now.
It’s great that you went into all of this but it’s not necessary. You don’t need to apologize. It just took you too long to admit Dan Campbell was the right hire. Getting these coaching jobs is one thing but getting them right will really narrow the focus. Dan fits the culture in Detroit and his friend Arron Glenn and the Brad Holmes probably doesn’t get as much attention as a black General Manager.
I’m black. Could people stop bringing up Eric Bieniemy’s name as some symbol of black coaches getting passed over. There is obviously a reason he has not been hired as a head coach and it has nothing to do with race. Teams can’t talk about the reason because of privacy issues I’m sure. But there is a reason. And Hill just admit it. You were wrong. You misjudged Campbell. That’s ok. To say the subtext of your text was not “black coaches are losing out to this idiot” is just disingenuous.
🤷🏽♂️No apology needed, just say you got it wrong 🤷🏽♂️. As a seasoned media persona. Picking apart a pres conference where the message was clearly "we are going to be a blue collar team who will never give up and be the toughest on the block"...i would have thought would resonate with someone who was on 7 Mile. Fact is you played the race card because thats what you stand on. Doesn't change the fact that he was as qualified as other candidates, and he won the job. So again, of course he doesnt care and of course you don't need to apologize for your opinon. You were just wrong. As are most media personnel opinons. Another day in the office
She never opined about his coaching prowess. She only commented on the weirdness of his presser and his unorthodox path to a head coaching opportunity. She never said the Lions were racist and she also said he’s done a wonderful job and appears to be “the real deal.” Her point is, she’d like to see black coaching prospects benefit from non traditional pathways to the head job just like Campbell.
@@RaymondStarkesI did, my friend; and you did not address her video, IMHO. I'mma guess you disagree with her on most things, but her message is about equality of opportunity. She admitted Coach Campbell exceeded expectations, and lauded him for it; but she is asking for all to have Dan Campbell like opportunities. And she cited Coach Pierce of the Raiders and one other Black coach as examples of perhaps the beginning of the equality of opportunity she advocates. 🏈⚽️
@MuctaruKabba i actually agreed with her mostly on first take and his and hers. Whether i agree or disagree with her past opinions has zero to do with this one. African American coaches have been given triple the amount of interviews and due process the past 5 seasons than in years past. Dan was the qualified individual that fit what the ownership and GM wanted. Just because that doesnt mold with what she stands on, doesn't equate to the fact of inequality in the work place
This went from the Dan Campbell story to race talk about coaches. I don’t see any Mexican head coaches but never hear anything about it. Tired of the race card
He wasn’t just an RB coach. He was the associate head coach just below sean Payton who for the multiple seasons before was considered one of the best coaches in the league. On top of that he coached the dolphins on an interim basis for half of a season. Don’t leave out important details to plead your case.
Right. Like Dan played for this team, just like the pat hc they just sign. It know that team and what they been through. He want this team to be a winning team again.
You clearly didn't listen to her all the way through because she cited his entire resume and the fact that he went five and seven with the Miami dolphins! You just want a reason to call her racist and uninformed like yourself
Love you Jemele and your takes. I too was so heartbroken by the Lions over the last 60+ years that I vowed never to support them until the won their second playoff game in the same season. The finally did it so I guess I gotta support them. But your take on the hiring is on point. I am happy UM finally got around to hiring a black coach this year, but I was always a Northwestern U fan because they hired the first Big Ten black coach in the form of Denny Green ( and second in Francis Peay). These milestones of black head coaches are important to us all. Congrats on your Niners this year and maybe we can see these dang Lions back next year!
Okay! Well explain why Eric beienemy, who was the offensive coordinator for two super bowl runs and the quarterback being the mvp of the league during his tenure as offensive coordinator doesn't have a head coaching position? Riddle me that???? And the funny thing is I've heard white men say well he's just a glorious clipboard holder for Andy Reid. Now no white men ever said that about the white man before Eric that became head coachs like mat naggy who bombed in Chicago, Doug Peterson, and one more coordinator but his name escapes me right now. Hmmmmm 🤔 I wonder why Eric was the only one not to get a head coaching position????
@@brtreete4525 I have no idea why Eric hasn't gotten a shot. I was always confused as to why he wasn't hired somewhere. Though I don't think that him having not gotten a head job and Campbell getting hired in Detroit have anything to do with each other. There are many reasons why MCDC was a perfect fit to bring this team back from the dead. I can only say that after all this time there must be a specific reason why Eric has never been hired as a HC anywhere, and it's not because he is black.
@@updem I can't speak to the specific reason just as you can't speak to it definitely not being because he's black. He is an example though of how African American coaches are routinely looked over and not even considered but lesser qualified lesser experienced white males are given the opportunity to prove whether or not they can handle the job. Joe judge for the Giant was an only was a special teams coordinator and given a full-time head coaching position Riddle me that how does something like that happen but you'll never see a black special teams coordinator even get that opportunity whether it's Eric or anyone else for that matter. And why is it that every other offensive coordinator on Eric's staff before him got head coaching jobs but when it got to him after going to two super bowls, winning one and guiding the quarterback to a MVP season it's just "something" holding him back. Just what could it be????🤔🤔🤔
One other thing: why is it so hard in a country with centuries of extreme discrimination murder rape and outright theft from African Americans whether it's sports in any other place in society Is it so far-fetched that black men aren't being hired because they're black?? I mean in every other aspect of life we judge people places and things on its history except when it comes to white racism against black people particularly black men then past is not prologue anymore mind blowing
@@brtreete4525 Again, I don't know what's holding him back. It does seem like more often than not when black coaches get a HC job it's men who come from the defensive side of coaching. I will completely acknowledge that there is a huge underrepresentation at the HC level and yes, the "Young brilliant and white" labels seem to always be what teams look for in the hot new coach. I almost wonder if Eric's age works against him, and I know that working for a HC that is considered an offensive genius like Andy Reed probably had a lot of teams thinking Andy was the driving force behind the KC offense, not Eric.
ok so why say something like "this is who black coaches are losing opportunities to" in the first place?? that is obviously insulting to campbell and the lions. If you didn't think campbell would be a bad coach and you didn't think the lions hiring him was in anyway racist, why insult them? that's what people were annoyed about. you can talk about systemtic racism in the nfl but why use campbell and the lions to do it?
The NFL process is racist to hire African American coaches was her point. Mostly Caucasian ppl going to find this offensive. Reaching to create reverse fantasy racism
Because the Lions and Campbell are perfect examples of systematic racism! Lol, did you not watch the video? detroit didn't hire a Super Bowl winning black offensive coordinator so they could go with dan the never winning coach.
She was actually taking a shot at systemic racism. DC was in the crosshairs! Unfortunately, people only seem to remember DC being offended! DC was not the main point!
I think it’s fair to say Mahomes was the reason EB was successful in KC. And yeah, you’re a bandwagon 49er fan. Your explanation of how you became a 49er fan is the definition of a bandwagon fan.
This was on that Katt Williams level of honesty. The truth is the truth every time it is spoken. Who can dispute the points about the nepotism in the NFL. Keep that up! #GoLions/GoGreen 💪🏾
The irony of her whining about dan campbell coming in with a mindset of how he wants to build the team and how a black coach couldnt do that even though antonio peirce is that kinda coach and has that kinda energy. 😂 what a clown
I think people are missing the point (maybe deliberately)… Hill (who is a self-admitted longtime bandwagon fan of the San Francisco 49ers) was expressing the fact that many white coaches get a certain amount of opportunity and leeway that black coaches do not! She was not saying the Campbell was not qualified, she was merely stating that there is a level of scrutiny that black coaches (and Black people face ). Fans (the real ones… Not the racist ones who hide behind their fandom), heard that a blue-collar worker/coach (who personifies the grid of Detroit) was not worthy of being given a shot because of his race! And there in lies the irony, the very thing that Hill was attempting to point out Was actually felt by the Detroit fans who misunderstood her. As an Eagles fan (who used to like Detroit when they were 16-0), I will be rooting for the Detroit Lions and hope that he’ll will except whatever fate happens. Jimmy the Greek said it best!…. “If they start coaching what will be left for us…” 🤷🏽♀️
I appreciate your explanation. I understood the feeling of another potential coach who was black being passed over for the process. As a white woman I saw this happen in medical profession w positions for leadership. This turned around in 90s which made me happy. Personally I appreciated having multi cultural management jobs just bc I enjoy culture, learning differences in foods, upbringings & embraced it. The thing that bummed me out was knowing on Below Deck you repped the D yet didn’t share in our excitement. I understand now, not that it matters… but I appreciate this.
Yeah and I felt that too after the dolphins coach in 2019 but she was playing victim and let's be honest, No one comments something like this is who black coaches are losing opportunities to and say the lions aren't racist or Dan Campbell is a bad coach. The problem I have with her isn't her saying she's worried there's less opportunities like what Dan Campbell have that black coaches don't the problem is that she was wrong just like Vincent was and refuses to apologize bc she's stubborn and always wants to be right which is one of the reasons most ppl can't stand black women. Dgmw there are black women who are great and show respect like Meagan good and bianca Blair but then u have black women like her who wants to have this dynamic of I'm not wrong ur wrong type feel. She should apologize for what she said and how she said it and apologize for thinking it's only white ppl bc I'm a black guy and a Detroit lions fan and I live in New Jersey but one thing I will never say out of my mouth is look at the giants and jets season this is who black ppl loses opportunities to. No I will mention how bad the team is playing or saying they need to have a good hc and comment things like The NFL teams need to hire some more black coaches but good coaches like Mike Tomlin. That's bc then saying racial conspiracy remarks like she and tell ppl they got the wrong idea😒 it feels scummy
@@demetroiuspm.122 awe… yeah. We share 99.998 same DNA. Fact. I wish we’d all realize we’re more alike than different. When different it’s fun to embrace it. I was a guest a friend’s house during nursing school. We were waitressing together. She used to love to play w my hair. I asked her why one day & she said she’d never had a friend w long blond hair she felt close enough to, one to say… let me feel it. While at her house w holidays coming up, she was mortified when her mom said she’d never had a white person in her house. I laughed… could tell my friend was upset. I let her know it’s fine. I told her mom not to apologize when my friend wanted her to. We were 19… then her mom asked if she could ask me questions, about white people. She ended up asking questions that made me realize that just a zip code away, people can live in completely different worlds. Some are afraid to branch out, some embrace it. She asked if we really ate canned foods for Thanksgiving. I laughed, said not at my house. Apparently that was a concept. She asked if served mac & chz. I said some people might but mentioned what cheesy type beans w crunched croutons we ate.. had seen at friend’s houses. She was shocked about a lot of my answers but I always quantified that in my area, what I was aware of. She then mentioned what she thought was typically eaten for black thanksgivings. By the time we left her. I’m wasn’t looking at me when she thought I wouldn’t notice. I knew then that maintaining groups, tribalism of culture or race is comfortable for some but hurtful in a way to society. I wasn’t brought up that any one religion or lack thereof or group of people was better than another. I did learn once working tho that the older black women/RNs were hazing me. It hurt at first as I worked at an inner city hospital & was 1 of 2 white people. There were times I wouldn’t be invited to order carry out lunches when they’d order… sort of made to feel like outsider. That made me sad but I stuck w it. Some of the women that were most harsh, ended up at my wedding saying they had a blast & then were able to comfortable enough to say, at their first white person’s wedding. lol. I wish people would learn why the lack of understanding where people like Jamel may be coming from shouldn’t be thing to just get angry about; it should be a chance to ask self why… do research, read, mingle. Anyway… hope that these people who are coming for her. Ow aren’t going to be idiots!
@@macdreezy794 she literally said everyone in her fan were Lions fans, but the Lions were bad in the 80s and the 49ers with Montana we’re good…so she became a 49ers fan That’s like me saying…fuck it Pat Mahomes is good so I’m a Chiefs fan now 😂
The 49ers havent been good the whole time since the 80's, if she was a bandwagon, she would've jumped off as soon as they started losing, also I give her respect for not reveling in the Lions success, she wasn't there when they were losing, so she's not going to start pounding her chest that they're winning.@@mjc-ym9xt
So many comments… Dan Campbell has proven to be a good coach. So if the original Tweet was questioning his coaching ability because of his comments, well the Tweet was incorrect. Didn’t Dan hire Aaron Glenn and Duce Staley as his DC and OC? Spot on about the lack of black coaches being hired. I couldn’t agree with this point any more. However, you are supposed to be an Insider and you should know that the reason that people aren’t hiring Bienemy has more to do with his past and his attitude during the interviews and nothing to do with his skin color. Did you ever think that Dan Campbell was hired with “so little Head Coaching experience,” because of the grit he showed as a player and that made him beloved by the Ford Family? If you cannot look in the mirror sometimes and admit that you were wrong, your career will keep going in the direction that it has been going over the past few years…….the fact that people remembered this Tweet and brought it forward has given you more relevancy than you have had in a VERY long time. Your response, however, will ensure that this relevancy is going to fade away quite quickly.
Janelle hates bias but I find her extremely biased in her effort to defend herself. She is showing problems that have been addressed within coaching and obviously will not happen overnight. I find her pretty disingenuous but nice try in paying your bills. You're knowledgeable but bitterness isn't the way to fix things. Damn this woman is low key nasty just tries to hide it with her fast talking know it all attitude. No this has 0 to do with race as I think she's good at sports analysis but this nonsense is about paying the bills and cashing in on her name being brought up. Yawn.
You said what you said when you said it. He came across as a Neanderthal. Fortunately he surrounded himself with the right people dug in his heels & did the work and now reaps the benefits.
Exactly. Nobody said Campbell would be bad. The issue is how Black folks gotta carry themselves. Just like with QBs. You got folks who HAATTTEEEE Lamar for no reason
