Wow great scene. After lex says "to look into the eyes of the son you lost" Lionel actually stares lex in the eyes, and that's when he realizes that lex is "Lost"
I remembered when Lionel cloned Lana's friend, Emily back in Season 2. But with Lex cloning Julian, that ticked Lionel off knowing that he truly lost Lex through all that darkness inside him.
I've noticed that this scene is similar to Jor-El and Zod's friendship falling apart because Jor-El wouldn't clone Zod's dead son. Only it's between Lex and Lionel a father and son rather than 2 former best friends.
In a way you gotta feel sorry for Lex. Growing up all he wanted was for his father to love him. But Lionel never showed it to Lex because he thought Lex had killed Julian. Turns out it was Lex' mother who killed Julian. Reason being, she didn't want him growing up and being like Lionel. Still no reason to kill your baby. So when Lex finally gave into his dark side like his father always wanted, Lionel turned a new leaf and the two where at odds again.
@@bigs314 I don't think anyone has put it on RU-vid....yet. So for know you'll have to catch it on The Box set. I think it might be in Netflix!?! "Because it is in my nature!"
I feel bad for lex all he wanted was to be loved by his father and accepted by others...I honestly feel that Clark should've told lex I think things would've been different....also this moment should've been a wake up call for lex.
@@DerekThomasLirio Agreed tho i do think Clark didn't have to hide it from him or lana for so long and it would have solved so many problems. Lex never had the right to know ofc but Clark should have trusted him
@@michaellabonte6390 I've been running businesses since I was in high school. I've been great friends with alot of business people, TV personalities, even celebrities. As close as I've been to some of them, there are parts of my life I never told them about. They respected me and accepted that I set those limits. That's how respect works.
@@emmaj5807 Incorrect. Lionel raised Lez to be ruthless because he wanted him to take over Luther Corp and continue to make money. I've been running businesses since high school, and I've met a few people like Lex.
yeah Lionel is such a hypocrite . teaches Lex all these things and then complains when lex does them too. it's as if no matter what Lex does he won't like it
I will always stand by Lex. I love smallvilles cast but overall I love it's more realistic and human side on a typical story of a comic book hero where he is never seen making mistakes, lying, being manipulative, deceptive etc. This series had me immediately gravitating towards Lex. As a kid who never really cared for most of the superheroe comic stuff this series became a part of me. Lex was constantly lied to, betrayed and hurt by the people who he attempted even in the slightest way getting close to. Clark happened to be the one that Lex truly found a bond, connection a brotherhood he painfully longed for his whole life. Sure Lex had his role and was guilty of his own secrets but despite all of that he genuinely "loved Clark like a brother". Clark was the one who sent Lex over the edge. I connect with Lex because if you look beyond the surface of his very successful and privileged life you'll see he was just a boy deeply hurt and disconnected from everyone around him. The childhood and early years of the young billionaire reveals the source of his later insanity. Parental neglect, never being commended for his efforts and dedication to proving himself worthy of any kind of validation or approval from his horrible father Linol. You can see the endless amount of sadness and hurt in Lex's eyes and expression as he watches his father once again walking away from him in disgust in this clip. I didn't really have my father that long but in my life I have felt everything we see displayed by Lex in this series. All that said the man truly wanted to be some kind of a heroic figure for the world. He really believed that he could save humanity from destruction using science. You were the hero the world never got to see Lex. It's all because of the overly hyped and inflated Clark kent who is ying deceiving and manipulative piece of shit driven by a good guy ego.
What was it about Clark kent that was deceptive and manipulative? And why was it wrong? If you are okay with elaborating. p.s. I'm sorry about you not having your Dad for very long.
Lex Luthor fans are insane lol and I really hope you're joking right now. You guys do exactly what Lex did, which is blame everyone else for his problems. Lex has literally killed people on this show including his brother that he cloned. The man that he loved like a brother, Clark - he put his family's safety in jeopardy just to find out his secret. What kind of sick bastard does that? Clark is no saint, but the lengths you guys go to paint him as a monster is incredible. People don't have to choose to be murderers just because of the hardships they went through. Oh, and he also manipulated Lana into staying with him by making her believe she was pregnant but had a miscarriage. That was my favorite.
The tables really turned in smallville. At the beginning of the show Lex was Clarks Ally and one of the good guys while Lionel was despicable and villainous. Later on Lionel, all though not a great person, became one of Clark’s allies and Lex was the enemy
Lex early one always wanted to do the right thing but didnt always go about it the right way. I honestly qonder if Clark did share his secret with him if he would have never ended up the way he did
@@exiaR2x78 Lex would have tried to use Clark. I love Lex, but Lex proved over and over again he couldn't be trusted. Every seemingly good thing he does has strings attached. Lex was too far gone the moment he met Clark.
@@exiaR2x78 I believe if lex knew Clark's secret in earlier seasons, he would surely make some mistakes about it and would try to abuse his power by testing, kryptonite and etc. But I'd love to think that it would be those things which they would overcome. All friends have fights. Clark had issues with Pete, Chloe and Lana but they worked it out. So could did Clark and lex. Obviously lex wouldn't abuse his power right away. But when he wanted to do some test in order to make humankind better, Clark would push him in right direction.
Lionel has nobody to blame but himself for the way Lex has turned out. The majority of Lex's life was corrupted by Lionel. Lionel and his methods of life and business kinda made Lex into this character. But Lionel is not all to blame for Lex turning evil. The majority was surely done by Lionel. The fact that Clark(understandably) didn't trust Lex also contributed to the eventual evil Lex character as well.
Yeah lex said that if Clark were to confide in him, he would've helped him become a hero without telling others his secret. But because he no longer had any reason to believe or trust Clark, he thought that Kara (brainiac) was telling the truth that Clark is gonna destroy the planet
Henry Truong Lex always had the potential for evil in him. Yes Lionel's abuse partly sent him down that path but in the end it was Lex's own obsession with control and his lust for power that made him evil.
NeonTime Lex lied to peoples face almost all the time though so yeah. He may have kept the secret for a while but I'd bet anything that he would use it against Clark whenever he or the Kents go against something he asked of Clark. and if he finds out about the red ring and a lot of the other stuff that changed Clark through out the show things would get even worse.
No no here's my take from it here lex,s life in a nut shell he grow up under his father thumb and his hole life he tried to get out of it he grow up with very little friend and most of them ether were only after your money or were just bad people and any decent person in his life well lift him so when he meets Clark a genuinely kind person who cares about him and believes in him we'll he got attached the reason why he wanted to find out clarks secret wasn't so he could blackmail him because he just wanted a true friend some you could trust and relay on . When Pete ,Chloe and Lana found out they didn,t try to blackmail him or anything they helped him and protected him and I feel like lex would have done the same if Clark trusted him he love Clark a brother it only when Clark start to treat him like a villain that when thing got complicated because the one good thing in his life was gone with Clark out of his and incorging his better angels he when to a dark places Iam no way
I know people disagree with me here, but I do believe Lionel changed for the better. Yes his methods were very unorthodox and reckless and seemed cruel, but he was a complicated guy. Really...for all you Harry Potter fans out there, Lionel Luthor is the Severus Snape of Smallville!
Well, not for most of Lex's life. He didn't protect his son like Snape protected Harry he was much worse than Snape. And unlike Snape, he didn't change until long after Lex was an adult when it was too late for him to save his son from what he made him into. Snape was a cruel dick to Harry, but he genuinely did protect him from evil whereas Lionel taught his son evil and that it was a tool used by wise and powerful men to be great. It's not so much that Lionel himself changed on his own but that Jor-El being inside him changed him fundamentally and made him a better person. It was also Clark's influence that helped him become a better man. But even when he became a good man and protected Clark he still wasn't being a good father to Lex because he basically felt he was a lost cause and cared more for Clark than Lex. But you're right about him being a complicated character. It's debatable whether he truly loved Lex or not, but for most of his life I'd argue he didn't, not really. He blamed him for killing Julian and after Julian and Lilian died he was a cruel and unforgiving man obsessed with power and the traveler. He was a killer before Lex was even born when he murdered his shitty parents. (Which I guess Lex also learned from Lionel.) Lex was molded by his father's teachings. He became the villain we all know because of his father. I liked Lionel as Clark's new father figure, but he still wasn't a great father to Lex even after seeing Clark as a son.
@@MrDestroyedSoulx I hadn't intended on getting this specific in the Lionel/Snape comparison, but your analysis is great! I just love complicated characters, and Lionel has that in spades.
@@mikej2133 Thank you! Yes I totally agree. I love complicated characters with good development, and Lionel had that in spades. Like Snape, you don't always know where he stands, or what he's up to. He keeps you on your toes, but in the end, he comes through. While Snape isn't my favorite HP character, I love his complexity and why people list him as such.
Lionel said he lost lex but he never really fought for him. He just got his kind of remorse from Clark soul and jor el guideline. He quickly moved on from lex to Clark as his redemption, while he should have stayed with lex trying to fix their relationship
@@googlemyself4091 what question is this? I guess if I haven't watch the show several times, I wouldn't be here under 15 years old video 😂 And yes Lionel tried to reconcile with lex once or even twice but of course lex didn't trust him cause Lionel taught lex to trust no one especially his father. Lionel never truly fought for lex and quickly saw him as a lost cause
Lionel is such a hypocrite. He cloned people himself. Where did he think lex learn that - to do everything to get what you want? Tho I kinda get that what lex doing is worse than what was doing Lionel. Julian was the only thing what kept lex on the good side, what motivated him to be good. He loved Julian. His unresolved trauma from Julian's death and other painful experiences and choices led him to complete loneliness and sort of madness. He lost perspective of morality. Having cloning technology, he cloned his own brother. I doubt Julian would what that. And we know who ended with clone Julian. Lionel on the other hand experimented without getting involved with his heart (I guess he had one after all). It still was wrong.
Lionel had amazing, and unexpected character development throughout the series. From an evil business tycoon, to Jor-El's oracle, to Jor-El's vessel. Lex went the opposite direction. From a friend to many in Smallville, to a deceitful manipulator, to straight evil. Another character that I was tired of about halfway through the series is Lana. They try to make the audience feel sorry for her because of the traumatic events in her life. But she becomes such a hypocritical, deceitful woman, that all sympathy disappears.
Lionel's a bit mixed up I guess. Sure, he's thrilled about seeing Julian again, but at the same time he's pissed because the way he got there was wrong! Lex is insane.
u know i didn't like the whole "let's turn Lionel good and Lex bad" thing cuz having Lionel be mad at Lex for being everything he wanted him to be in the beginning made no real sense to me.
I loved it. It was one of the few good things the show did - it was great dichotomy of diverting paths. As Lex descended into madness, the same madness his father reveled in, Lionel was in the path to redemption and on the verge of becoming a good man - the kind of man Lex would have loved to have as a father. And through it all, it was because of Clark. While Clark brought out the worst in Lex, he brought out the best in Lionel, which is why Lionel gravitated to Clark's way as a father figure.
It's not that. Lionel is truely happy to see his son again. He's just angry about the way in which he was brought back. And i happen to agree with him. If you use your dead brother's body for RECYCLE and use it to make a fake copy just because you don't wanna be alone. What kind of TWISTED and SICK person would do that. You never have the right to play GOD like that!!!!!
I think the reason why Lex became like that is not Lionel, but his own complexes, it is clearly seen in the children's episodes, I do not see that Lionel is worse, he just wanted Lex to grow up to be a tough businessman who can stand up for himself, but Lex was hindered by his complexes, he tried to overcome them through a war with his father, which he himself started in season 1. Lex remained a bald, complexed boy, fixated on the fact that his father didn't love him, I don't understand why so many viewers are in love with him
Lionel harmed Lex when he was a kid, long before season one, of course he would turn out like this when adding all the stuff with Clark, Mutants and other supernatural stuff happening around him, including the deception from the two people he was closest to.
Cloning Julian is directly connected to Lionel. Why would 12th y o lex cover that his mother killed his brother? Oh right bc he already leant that his father would make her life hell that death would be a mercy. I think lex had that expression for a reason. Maybe Lionel didn't abuse lex physically but his parenting was a way of torture. Lilian killing Julian is a proof of it. She didn't want him to end up like lex or worse. Obviously lex's trauma from Julian's death wasn't resolved even tho he remembered what happened. It still left damage. With everything piling up, no wonder lex going evil paths. Of course it's not only Lionel's fault. Lilian wasn't a good mother too even tho lex wants to see her that way. She was very broken. People also judged lex in school, first days in smallville and every season afterwards where judging became reasonable bc he gave in to dark side more and more.
Lynal such a HYPOCRITE, he has cloned a little girl. The only reason HYPOCRITE Lynal is angry at lex is coz it's his own family member being cloned, bt Lynal is just fine with anyone else from some other family being cloned 🙄
Lex has no right to play god. If we truly love someone, we allow them to rest in peace, in a better place. Not try to bring them back like some experiment or machine. lex sickens me, playing with the dead.
Nonsense. If you truly love someone you'll break away from your morality if it means you can have them back. This is just dumb comic book "logic" where they give you the means to achieve the impossible but make up these archaic rules about why you can't.
