@@raymondclifford6742 are you asking the person that wrote it or the people that liked it? I personally liked it because it reminded me of when I was younger and thought Lindsay Lohan was actually two different people in The Parent Trap which I now find hilarious because it was the same person and 7 year old me was like “oh I can tell the difference” 😂
Until Dawn truly is one of those horror games that definitely deserves to be looked back on. Glad to see Jack giving in a replay so he could find more secrets that he can catch up on. There is just something very amazing seeing someone replaying something from the past that feels very nostalgic.
@@adailydrawingmustache4604 he was about to say “are we f**king p*??” Also when he described the part when someone said “burr” and when he went like “ahhhh” towards the beginning of the game
Sean: “I don’t think I knew the last time that josh was the bad guy, I’m pretty sure I was shocked” also Sean the first time playing every time josh spoke: “josh is WEIRD I don’t like him I think he’s suspicious”
@@jacksepticeye also thankyou for replying :) I really enjoy your videos and it’s something me and my brother bond over. I hope you’re doing good, mentally and physically !!
@@goingeast budget cuts, CEO wants more money, publisher being impatient and “just release it already”. Either one or any combination of those will do that to a game.
my favorite thing about Josh in this game, is that his scheme is never to kill his friends. Just to scare them, and sort of attempting to get chris and ashley together through the trauma of his little game.
I mean... still insanely fucked up though. Making your friends choose who gets to live amongst them, watching them get shawed in half, making them genuinely believe a serial killer (who they suspect already killed their friends a year ago) is after them? I see way too many people downplaying what Josh did and it's just plain weird.
Idk anything about this game, but seeing Josh invite his friends back to the place where his sisters vanished just a year ago is super sus. If I were in their situation, I would NOT accept the invite. It just seems so shitty and tactless to do that to the memory of his sisters.
@@Marianiki2002 i aint gonna say it aint wrong. But he was still genuinely shocked to hear that jess had "died" Its why i like him as a character, despite his rotten sense of a revenge joke, and his delutions, he didn't actually want to hurt any of them.
Fun Fact: If you said you were afraid of zombies, then eventually, Dr. Hill will get a huge wound on his head and start deteriorating like an actual zombie in all of his appearances. It's one of those small details in this game that I love.
One thing I noticed that this game does completely different from its following games is that each game has that character that basically walks you through the “decision making” process but Dr. Hill ends up being a part of the story which I find very interesting. Also a much better twist than the identity of of the psychopath.
Yeee. I know I’m replying to an old comment, but there was a reason for us to talk to Dr. Hill. In Man of Medan and The Quarry it felt like “okay? Who are we, why are they talking to us like we can do anything? Is this a fourth wall break?” Like there’s zero reason for them to “guide” us. It felt more like it subtracted from the story. Here, it felt like it added because it made some sense.
It's so weird how I saw Rami in this game and thought "Oh, it's that cool pharoh from 'The Night of The Museum' that's pretty neat." And now years later, I come back to this playthrough and think "Man, Josh from 'Until Dawn' is Freddie fucking Mercury in the Bohemian Rhapsody movie." It's so crazy and bizarre how things change so much within the years going by
Did anyone else notice how Josh’s smile vanished so fast when Sam turned way from him? It’s amazing how something barely noticeable was a huge hint that Josh had Ulterior motives inviting everyone back.
i love the role of the psychiatrist. he's simultaneously talking to the player about the game, while talking to josh abt his "game" hes playing with his friends with all the "pranks" hes pulling.
I would LOVE to see Sean revisit Detroit Become Human after all these years. His playthrough is still one of my favorites and I find myself rewatching it every year. A resurgence of looking back at these old, well-loved games is exciting!
To be fair, everyone thought he was a creep. That's why it's such a great twist, everyone thinks he the killer, to then see Josh get killed, and then have our minds blown because the whole thing was "just a prank" which ties back to the beginning of the game quite well.
The sad thing is that, iirc, Josh has undiagnosed and thus unmedicated schizophrenia (or something similar). He's not a bad person per se, just in a very unlucky situation that caused his mental health to decline to this extent.
@@charlesgonzalez1406 yeah, he got like, antidepressants, right? Which have something to do with serotonin instead of dopamine, which is one of the bigger factors in schizophrenia…
"It was just a prank, Han!" No, it was her entire group of friends and the guy she has a crush on humiliating her and invading her privacy. Yikes. I hated that.
@@Yeehaw6424 doesn't negate what they did though. mike and emily both consented to it, and mike was the one to initiate it with a girl he KNOWS likes him. obvious power imbalance, esp considering he's popular too.
@@Yeehaw6424 just because she was going to do something wrong doesn’t mean everyone else didn’t do something wrong too. Yes, she was gonna sleep with her friend’s bf but that doesn’t justify what they put her through. Everyone that was in that room was in the wrong. The only difference is that she was alone in her wrong doing while everyone else teamed up against her in their wrong doing.
At least for Chris, Josh wasn't targeting him for his sick revenge so much as trying to get him to finally make a move on Ashley by putting them in a harrowing situation together so that the "near death" experience would bring them closer together. As for Sam, he may be targeting her because she didn't try "hard enough" to stop Hannah and/or Beth. Or maybe because he was passed out drunk, he didn't realize that Sam didn't actually take part in the prank. Or Hell, maybe Josh had a crush on Sam, and he planned on having a "maniac" find and tie her up and then "save" her later as Josh, and she'd be so grateful to him that she'd fall for him.
i had to rewatch after watching playthroughs of the quarry and still feel like none of the developers games have come close to topping it yet (they’re all cool in their own regard tho)
Fun Facts From Forensic Psychology: While statistically speaking it is true that rates of psychopathy are higher in men than in women, there are several studies that suggest this is due to classification issues. Women are more likely to be diagnosed with histrionic or borderline personality disorders, even when the same symptoms resulted in a psychopathy diagnosis in male subjects. Sexism is alive and well in the psychiatric field, even with your psychopaths. Fun things you learn when writing research papers on female serial killers.
@@gh0st_xr i mean probably, if you didn't grow up with an abusive mother or an abusive female partner most people won't think that a woman is dangerous. Cops who have dealt with female abusers often talk about how female abusers are far more open about their abusive tendencies and even seem proud of them. The was also a case a while back about a female teacher who was abusing a thirteen-year-old boy (intimately I might add) who got only six months in jail. Humanity has a duality when it comes to women, we can do no wrong because we are women, or because we are women they must go easy on us.
@@maryorosco1027 You're not wrong, tbh. I have lost count of the number of times people have given women extra sympathy and leeway for committing crimes because they pumped out a few tears and gave a sob-story. Just about any video you watch on female predators, for instance (especially if their victims are boys), will have a big ol' chunk of people in the comment section making the wildest apologetics for them, in a way they would never do if the genders were reversed.
I wonder if it has something to do with the strength difference between men and women. As most know, men are stronger on average than women, so it could lead to the assumption that women cause less damage. But really, a bat full of nails is just as dangerous in a woman's hands as a man's hands.
The amount of similarities in the last play through 7 years ago proves that Sean is the same person (though of course matured and experienced, but still the same person). He noticed the funny faces the therapist character model makes, he noticed the voice actors saying, “brr”, he’s still afraid of heights, he loved the banana slice pillow…moments like that are fun, because it’s like the video game…some moments are destined to happen no matter what. He’s still Sean.
I liked the basement chase scene. It's a great character moment for Josh that people tend to forget about. Josh doesn't know the "intruder" here is Chris. Despite being upset with his friends for what they did to his sisters, Josh is still a good person inside. He purposely places himself between Sam and the "intruder" as Sam is trying to get the door open. He didn't have to do that. He could've still tried to break down the door or even put Sam in the middle to save himself, but he didn't. Whether this was the direction of the dev or something the actors did on their own, it's a nice insight into Josh. He wants his friends to pay for what they did but he still cares about them or at least a few of them.
I think that is partly true. I don't know if it's cannon or where I heard it, but I think Josh has a crush/is very emotionally close to Sam so he cares very deeply for her. I think the fact that he physically punches Ashley in the face shows he doesn't think that way for all of them. But other than that I agree! I love that character moment for Josh.
and remember sam tried to “stop” the prank. i still don’t understand why he tormented chris though because he was passed out drunk with josh when the prank went down so he really had absolutely nothing to do with it
@@saramcdougald2022 Well Josh does say that Chris and Ashley need a little trauma to push themselves closer to each other, so there you go he's trying to be a wingman for his buddy. Just the way he goes about it is really messed up.
I mean uh... he DOES try his hardest to get one of them cut in half so idk if I'd say he's still a good person inside 😅😅 If he was truly a good person deep down, he would've made sure only he got "hurt" and no one died. Yknow, like "just a prank!"
No one ever mentions that Sam was actually one of the only ones that wasn't in the room during the prank, and actually advised against it, like Sam didn't play a part in it, one of many reasons why she is the best characters in the game.
"I wouldn't want this place to burn down on my watch" "Watch out for that Josh, he's a schemer." "They just need some traumatic event to push them into eachother's arms" the foreshadowing in this game is literally next level
I was watching a play through with a friend who had already seen it and when he said that stuff I IMMEDIATELY was like “he’s the bad guy he wants to kill them all look at all those double meanings!” But she told me it’s not like that? So now I’m watching to see what she could mean 🤷🏻♀️
I can't help but feel like in Until Dawn the characters feel way more real than in the other games, like expressions and such are so much more smooth and detailed
For me it's the writing. Who they become by the end of the night makes so much more sense to me. Like Dylan was the only one who had the same kind of progression in the Quarry
I loved when I had the realization that everything Josh did to Chris was him trying to be his wingman. It always confused me why he was putting him through so much when he wasn't part of the prank, but then it hit me.
As someone whose primary response is flight I definitely get why Hannah's instinct was to go outside. Sometimes that's the only place where there's no one around and you just need to breathe some outside air, even if later you regret it, like Hannah probably did when she realized she'd left without a coat. You don't always think straight in stressful situations.
In Hannah's room you can find a personality quiz that ends up saying the only way for her crush to notice her is by doing something crazy spontaneous, like getting a tattoo or running away. I think she did it assuming Mike would follow her instead of Beth.
Just for the record, I'd be VERY excited for a new Detroit: Become Human series. I absolutely love that game. There are technically 85 different endings to Detroit, depending on the interactions between the mental/physical states of the 3 main characters. So many choices.
Until Dawn really is a masterpiece. The plot and the pacing were nigh on perfect, which is luckily a part of a game that will always hold up against time. I’d comment on sound but I don’t have my headset atm. The graphics will get a little old over time (ex. the type of mocap animation), but as with all of our favorite decade or more old games, it becomes their quirk that we’ve come to love about them.
Indeed. I watched _SO_ many people play this game because the story was so excellent and misleading and surprising with great scares and plenty of panic.
@@ItsLadyJadey Yeah, up until the 2010's I was still going back to play games like the original Final Fantasy VII & VIII, GTA III, etc. The graphics are obviously outdated, but I still find them really fun to play.
One little character thing I love in this game is at the beginning Jess is clearly close with Emily and is in on the prank because she’s “looking out for my girl Em” and then ends up with Mike a year later 💀
god Sam continues to be the best character in this game- she doesn’t pick pointless fights with anyone, she’s levelheaded, she’s a fucking badass, her first instinct upon getting up to this cold ass mountain is to take a bath, and she doesn’t have a forced romance with one of the male characters like every other girl in the game. Sam FTW.
Mike has always been my favorite because of the turnaround. At first no one likes him and he seems like a tryhard but goes full Die Hard and becomes the brave hero. Sam was always second for me just because she's consistently likeable whereas I really expected to not like Mike
@@inventsable i do also like Mike, they kinda set him up like hes gonna cheat on Jess with Emily, but that never actually happens, and he ends up being a cool (if a little stupid) guy
on his tangent about snakes i laughed, im from the south so theres a lot of snakes, but i moved to NY for college and i scream every time i see a rat. i am the people jack is worried about
Can we take a moment to appreciate the editor who pulled off overlaying in-game text over Sean's camera with animations? That was a thoughtful touch for us viewers. Thank you editor.
I decided to look up the pewdiepie video where he's laughing at the overdramatic character intros in dramas from India because of how Sean was reacting to the character intros in the game and ended up watching another video where Felix says towards the end "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and I found that coincidence pretty funny.
There's a VR game that is a prequel to Until Dawn called The Impatient and its interesting and I love it. It's basically about you being a patient in the sanatorium when the wendigos all break out. Would love to see Jack play it
If you ever play hide and seek with Jack all you have to do is shout, "WHAT DOESNT KILL YOU WILL MAKE YOU STRONGER!" And he will shout back, "BUT WHAT IF THEY CUT OFF
(SPOILERS) My favourite part of this is still the moment of realisation in the mines that Hannah survived the fall but Beth didn’t. Finding Beth’s head and her journal, reading as it devolved into madness the hungrier she got was just chilling
Jack in 2022: "In 2015, I don't think that I guessed Josh was a bad person, because I remember being surprised by it when it happened." Jack in 2015 after playing 5 minutes of the game: "Josh is definitely the killer, something about him is weird."
Tbf I think he meant after he "died", ik he didn't say that and before it he 100% did predict it, but I don't think anyone expected him to have a fake body to kill so most people moved on to different theories
Rami Malek has officially won my heart as one of the best actors, ever. Whatever role he’s put into, he really goes all out. After seeing Bohemian Rhapsody, I gained such a new level of respect for him. He portrayed Freddie Mercury so damn well. Absolutely phenomenal.
Rami did such a good job portraying the Unsettling Nice Guy act. We've all seen this kind of guy in real life and thats the most scary thing about this 😭
@@mattwood1562 you got that from two words? 😂 wanna tell me my future now? Or maybe just maybe.. consider the fact we don’t all live the same lives with the same people 😱
Jack: "If you're afraid of rats more than snakes i don't trust you as a person" Also Jack last time: "rats definitely scare me more because I've never seen a snake in real life"
Watching Jack play this again really makes me wish that the developers would have made the choice on the cliff a little more important. Even if it was just a tone change to the notes/journal you find close to the end I feel like it would have been the icing on the cake if there was just the slightest storytelling difference between Hannah and Beth falling together or Beth dropping Hannah. Because I am willing to bet Hannah would not have felt so bad about cannibalizing Beth if she was dropped.
Well, Hannah could have taken Beth apologizing as being unable to hold onto her anymore. The average person isn't going to be able to hold onto something with one hand while carrying the full weight of another person for very long. Considering the trauma immediately after being dropped, plus waking up to find Beth dead next to her, I feel like she'd assume the best of her sister.
Honestly I would have just been happy to see one note where maybe there was just one day where Hannah saw Beth dropping her as a betrayal like the others pranking her. Even if it was a stray page to the journal in the lair I think it would have been a little more realistic. I feel like anyone in a similar position would swing back and forth between understanding the decision and loathing Beth for doing it.
There is a tone change in the journal. If Beth let’s go of the branch, Hannah apologies in her diary, if Beth drops Hannah, then Hannah doesn’t feel regret eating her
Looking back at this knowing everything about Josh I can’t help but really feel for him. While his gross comments about partying and Chris and Ashley could be legit, looking back they really do feel like a mask. There is a chance that he did say these kind of things before his sisters passing, but it almost seems that these comments really are just a way to distract everybody and not what he actually feels. Even if I’m wrong I can’t deny that Rami Malek is an amazing actor, and really played Josh well.
I felt awful for him when I played because it seemed to me like a trauma mask as well. I think Josh was probably always a little awkward but his sisters' disappearance and the reason he was no help that night really shattered his psyche I feel.
Rami Malek is an incredible actor. Seeing him play the crazy guy in The Pacific and this game, compared to the lovable characters in Night at the Museum and Bohemian Rhapsody is fascinating
He’s one of those actors that is given a role and he becomes one with that role. When you see him acting, he’s not Rami in that moment, he is whatever character he’s portraying. The more an actor believes that they are/can be that character, the better the outcome and Rami is absolutely phenomenal in all accords.
he was in the little things w jared leto and he was absolutely fantastic. he's been one of my favorite actors since night at the museum (😂) and it's been awesome to see him become so successful!
I like how complex Josh’s character is, dealing with mental health issues before his sisters’ disappearance and adding trauma on to that with their disappearance, just puts the “prank” he did in a whole new light for me. Plus adding on the fact that he was probably really close to his sister and they were probably there for him the most when he struggled with his mental health, makes it all so much sadder. Doesn't excuse what he did but I still really feel bad for him.
I actually used this game as the basis of a project for my Native American Studies class, specifically about pop culture appropriation of Native American cultural elements for horror tropes. While the game still uses Native American belief systems as the background for the horror, the details of how things are used and, I think most interestingly, the depiction of the Wendigo line up pretty well with the actual folklore as opposed to the more familiar depiction of a Wendigo as a monstrous bipedal deer.
The monstrous bipedal deer may have something to do with another Native belief of skin walkers. Essentially pop culture grouping things with the same origin to create a popular/culturally appropriated monster. Just a thought though 😅😁
@@isabellmarie8381 Some tribes/cultures have different versions of the Wendigo. I remember growing up with the lumberjack stories of it. Our Wendigos were monsters that could shapeshift. The lumberjacks would say that they were caused by lumberjacks before them who had been stuck before in the woods during severe Winters and had gone through famine so severe some had eaten each other. There's legends of entire camps of lumberjacks getting decimated by Wendigos. They are only legends, but still.
@@AnonningAnon That's the legends I've heard. Once you defile the law of nature by consuming human flesh, it twists your body into something unnatural.
is it offensive to use the concept of the "pop culture wendigo (monstrous deer)" just as a monster, not a wendigo. I've always loved the monster design but i didnt realize it was incorrect. sorry for the late comment as well lol
@@prcat2003 to be honest it's a problem when they claim it to be "authentic". Yeah I'm not a native American but I'm not an American either. But I see monsters etc. being used to inspire something that yeah is different etc. but still has soul in it as not really offensive. Because if it was well... It'd be really stupid to be offended by something that has happened all over human history, y'know, cultural exchange instead of going "You're evil because that's our practice and you're not allowed to do that!"
@@annabanana2665ummm no, no it isn’t. I love the game but y’all are glazing it to fuckin Hell. The dialogue has always been cringey, it’s no better than their new games.
@@barakaafrobama6519 Kind of late, but it’s supposed to be.. the game is a play on classic horror movies where the kids are dumb as hell, there’s going to be cringey dialogue
One thing I absolutely loved about this game is that based on your choices with Dr. Hill, the chapter titles change. During Jack’s first play through chapter 1, the title was Memento Mori and this play through, it’s Friendship. I like that
No other game by Supermassive Games has surpassed the quality and overall experience that Until Dawn provides the players. This series is truly amazing and seeing this played in 2022 gets me all nostalgic.
I was JUST thinking about how I miss these kind of playthroughs, not just from this channel but overall. There's just a lack of games that are enjoyable to watch being made when back in the let's play peak games were being made with stories and styles to accommodate the trend. Naturally let's players had to change their range of content. Then everyone started getting striked and well, all things end.
I am really hoping he will do Detroit Become Human again. Watching him play that and Spider-Man helped me get into those games. I love those games and replay them a lot
32:40 Uh, actually Jack... Chris is like, the one guy who had nothing to do with the prank that killed Hannah and Beth. He was passed out along with Josh during the whole event. Which is ironic considering how later in the game, Josh messes with Chris the most.
I've always thought that might be due to the fact he blames Chris because he blames himself for not being there. If Chris or Josh decided to Abstain, his sisters might be alive. While that sounds like a crazy idea, reminder that Josh is physically incapable of thinking properly.
@@matthewsimon6170 yea, it's explained later on that Josh is basically unable to tell right from wrong To him, the "prank" he pulled on everyone was completely justified, he legitimately believed they would see it the same way he does because he can't understand that it's morally wrong to literally traumatize his friends To be honest, it's such a sad reality that I don't think many people really catch on to, people just assume he's just evil for evils sake.
@@matthewsimon6170yeah it also probably doesn't help that Chris is likely the closest one to Josh, they seem like best friends and have known each other since 3rd grade. So Josh probably feels the worst about this painful betrayal from him (as he would probably rationalize it)
@Jurassic Hero could’ve grabbed a coat though. Isolation doesn’t have to mean hypothermia. Not to mention you could isolate yourself in a separate room and just lock the door. Of course, she was embarrassed and clearly not thinking straight, understandably, so…
@@cookiedoughatkinson907 At 1:29:04 just after Mike picks up the totem, you can see a Wendigo skittering really fast on the wall behind him (that's what the suspense noise at that point is for), and at 1:34:02 when he's looking through the binoculars, the jumpscare that happens at that part is a Wendigo face :P *Edit:* JackSepticEye edited a Freddy Fazbear face into the binocular part where the Wendigo is supposed to pop up, but yeah, in the unedited footage, it's a Wendigo face that he sees for a brief moment
Oh funny how I didn't realize how American some of these references are until I watched Sean playing this. Cochise was an Apache chief during the Apache Wars, and has a very heroic and mythologized death. He's depicted quite a bit in movies, very famously in "Broken Arrow". Rami's "see for yourself, pilgrim" is meant to be a John Wayne impression. Given Josh is a cinephile, and the game uses a lot of Native American lore, Josh making references to classic Westerns is underscoring all that world building by the game.
The don’t move mechanic was so cool, I literally stopped breathing whenever it popped up in my playthrough. Especially the very last part of the game, it was so intense
feels so weird to be watching this now at 16 when 6 years ago i was 10 hiding under the covers every night to watch jack play this game for the first time without my parents seeing so i wouldn’t get in trouble, all this time and he’s still my favourite youtuber, crazy :,)
exact same here i was 13 when jack played this game for the first time and now here i am at 19 still enjoying watching him like nothing has ever changed
Jack plays Until Dawn: whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger Jack plays Man of Medan: whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger Jack plays Little Hope: whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger Also Jack after each of the above statement: but what if
I read an interesting theory that was the Wendigo would've never run into the group if they had all stayed at the cabin, because it rarely ventured over to that part of the mountain. So the two going to the guest cabin basically triggered everything that went down that night. I do wonder, and I know it's typical horror trope of somebody not talking causing the story, why the guy didn't mention where Hannah and Beth fell off the cliff. Would've possibly saved the one twin!
I think it’s because the police were after him before that and if not they definitely thought he was a suspect, so to have him tell the police that he knew where they fell, I’m sure that wouldn’t look the best for him. Just my theory
It could be because they fell in the cave. We know the part of the cave with Hannah's journal had wendigos in it and he was probably worried that the part they fell into had wendigos as well. He wouldn't want to risk the lives of searchers
It always bothered me that they spent hours there without the Wendigo caring about them, but in the end it's like you can't even step out of the house without being attacked. So I really like your theory!
Honestly this is a good theory because the devs said Jacob is like the Jessica of the quarry. So like you said Jessica and Mike going to the guess cabin could’ve caused everything which is like how if Jacob didn’t mess with the car the counselors could’ve left
@@iangames5337 I *think* (might be wrong) that the stuff about the police being after him was fake. IIRC the posters, newspaper, even the message on the answering machine, were all Josh’s doing. To what end? Not sure.
Also, I notice that the room gets super messed up after Chris jumpscares Josh. It seems to throw his entire mindset off- he was probably hallucinating when Chris spooked them 🥺
Fun fact, "sanatorium" wasn't always synonymous with "insane asylum", there was a time where a sanatorium was a place you would go to get fresh air, physical treatment or just a recreational retreat🙌 so sanatorium and hotel isn't that weird of a combo:)
I mean I don't know about other countries (maybe it's more US thing), but in Poland it's still exactly what you described - usually for old people, or people after surgeries/illnesses who need rehabilitation and relax time :D
Dr Hill is worked into the story so well. Actually having those segments act as Josh's therapy sessions makes him feel like part of the world, as opposed to the Curators obsession with acting as an uninvolved observer. It felt like they didn't know how to work him into the stories, so they just didn't.
