J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1983 - Conversation with Jonas Salk - What makes us change?

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J. Krishnamurti - Ojai 1983 - Conversation with Jonas Salk - What makes us change?
Summary:
If one has children, will they repeat the same old pattern or will there be a fundamental change in their whole consciousness?
What makes us learn, change?
Is time an enemy or a help?
You are responsible as a human being for the rest of humanity.
Consciousness is not mine, it is the human mind. We are humanity.
The mind that is trained to resolve problems will always find problems. If the brain is not trained to solve problems, it can face problems but is essentially free.
Why should I psychologically record anything?
Identification is a form of self-centred activity.
Compassion cannot be put together by thought.
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@kooroshrostami27 10 месяцев назад

K. at 88 years of age here is still extremely sharp mentally. In fact, he remained sharp till his death 3 years later. He freed himself from the inner conflict which excelerates senility, freed himself many decades earlier. No sign of senility even in his last public speech.

@alexandratrifler2667 8 лет назад

To die to all the things we are attached to.

@jamielwilliams3069 3 года назад

To die to everything we have been attached to. Even the self. It sure was entertaining so the self says to me. Really are you telling me that I'm thinking too much. That I don't need to think at all in the human realm, interactions where I thought that I needed the self present? It was wrong to think that or to think at all. I find this, whatever it is, it's human, whatever it is, it doesn't need to remember itself. To so-called personality or any of it. All false. Truly it knew it was playing a game. For it would sleep to dream. This action reflects a lack. Does it not?For it never existed. It couldn't. The self finds this sad. Doesn't it? That tightness? It is the self. Conflicting. All the time.

@lynetteneville2830 2 года назад

I am enthralled by the discussion of these 2 friends,it seems as though a space opened and enlightenment flew in ,a new focus 4 The. World.

@justinclifton5065 2 года назад

Indeed very much so

@prashantsharma3907 2 года назад

What a beautiful conversation ❣

@legaspirio 2 года назад

This is like the the sun, giving its light unconditionally.

@mss4056 2 года назад

Jiddu Krishnamurti must become the number one teaching at all schools worldwide.

@srinivasarao6171 2 года назад

No, not at all. Then everyone merely follows, conforms, imitates K. The very thing K abhorred vehemently. And the real fragrance, the timeless beauty goes out of the window. Instead of all this, if one actually delves deep into the teachings so as to be completely free from the 'me', the ego, the self --- this very freedom will act as a catalyst on the rest of the world. One has to begin with oneself and the first step is the last step. Propaganda has no place whatsoever in this.

@Gaurav.P0 Год назад

@@srinivasarao6171 correct

@ashrafulhaque8759 Год назад

I share your enthusiasm- believe me. However what JK is saying... Be the light - first to yourself. Then light emanates outward toward others like a sun. It is still up to the individual - whether to take advantage of this light or sit in the shadow.

@RaushanKumar-sd5qn Год назад

Yes this will change the world

@kanwalkrishanlidhoo680 Год назад

Absolutely. Wonderful!

@michaeldelisieux5252 8 лет назад

"Doubt is an extraordinary thing..."

@youtubeanonymous8083 6 лет назад

A tremendously important talk, great insights!!

@sulaimansyed1338 Год назад

Looking back on this conversation almost 40 years later, K was on point, as usual

@lucasferreira9263 3 года назад

Vontade de abraçar forte a pessoa que disponibilizou esse conteúdo e ainda legendou. Agradeço imensamente.

@justinclifton5065 2 года назад

A league of extraordinary gentlemen!

@mattwaala 2 года назад

You missed the whole point 😊

@ashwinisharmayt 3 года назад

I’m not part of mankind ..I’m mankind ..seems to be most important outcome of this talk.

@jamielwilliams3069 3 года назад

I find it happen often. No insight into what he was pointing to. But dare we get upset? Aren't we them? We are so how can one be upset? We are upset. The insight is there. We aren't. We were never there. We created the nonthere. We are there. We are not here. But how? One ask. How to get there? One answers never. You must end. Then the question again. How must one? We made knowledge important. Most important. It keeps going. One saw it happen. I determined it. That thinking, so much thinking was wrong. I delved in. I coveted knowledge. Gulped it up. Did you? You saw it happen. When knowledge, experience, personality became God.

@davidtorner4439 6 лет назад

Marvelous talk

@TheSunnickey 5 лет назад

Thank you

@AnHonestDoubter 3 года назад

14:35 Dr. Salk misses the main point here, that a group identifying itself as "the exceptions" or the "more evolved" creates another tribal split from mankind and further perpetuates division. Krishnamurti was right to retort that this is an age old excuse of the politician and priest. Krishnamurti clarifies this even more explicitly at 52:59 and his reply to 58:40. Overall, it seems Salk "agreed" throughout the entire discussion to avoid introspection about his clear sense of entitlement as one of an "exceptional, evolved" class.

@Amazology 2 года назад

Agree. Is there some bunker mentality a la Dr Strangelove with Salik. Salik is a problem solver.

@bubbajones6907 2 года назад

The level of ignorance and superstition displayed by both is quite telling. Maybe it's understandable considering they just lived through the 1970s. I noticed Salk is among the first to talk of "the planet", instead of "the World", or "Earth" as with proper English.

@rontan8433 Год назад

I wish to point out the flaw of Oneism- the believe and doctrine that we are all One, love and accept everything, no one is different. Such seemingly ideal morals hides the fact that we need to do some work to discover root cause of world issues

@CertifiedPsychiatrist Год назад

@@rontan8433Not really, the cause is us.

@kooroshrostami27 10 месяцев назад

Agreed, this is elitist ideology which very much misses the entire point of revolution in consciousness. K.'s entire point ist hat every human being has this potential, elitst thinking is divisive and historically it has brought about some of the most appalling atrocities, the supremacist ideologies, racism, fascism, they are all elitist.

@didierrobin7520 5 лет назад

Video la plus importante de RU-vid !

@giuseppemiali7947 2 года назад

Insanely beautiful conversation!

@kprashant9026 Год назад

Be like SUN!! just give the sunlight with no prejudice!! Keep giving compassion, love, intelligence..!!! That WILL lead to magnificent change in humanity, where there will be just compassion, love, intelligence towards each other.. This is it.. This is the need of the hour!! I hope the elders, politicians, youngsters believe this and be INSTINCT, SPONTANEOUS in their acts with compassion...this will break all the barriers and there will be no more borders!! Just brotherhood all over... No more wars, no more competition, just peaceful, calm, joyful, happiness,.. The humanity mind will be uplifted towards wisdom.. And ultimately enlightenment... Thank you sirs who have such open heart to upload the videos of K. Thank you much sirs. Just do it...imagine the whole of world reaching such state of kindness, compassion, and living in harmony with all creatures even the wilds..

@krox477 4 месяца назад

Sun burns itself to give light

@vikasmalhotra5032 Год назад

Beautiful, no words.

@nj5441 3 года назад

Ooh great talk... I saw compassion & love he has with his fellow speaker.. 😇

@nzmpa1 6 лет назад

LOVE

@robertotummolo7701 Год назад

Quanto Amore, Cura , e che Premura e Libertà straordinarie emana questo meraviglioso essere umano.

@tJnani-rg5rl 2 года назад

Super Gespräch und so wissenschaftlich von Krishnaji erleuchtet.

@Gaurav.P0 10 месяцев назад

Beautiful video

@skalliwizzle Год назад

Be the compassion you wish to see in the world.

@shekhark8446 5 лет назад

This is gold

@rontan8433 Год назад

Two highly respectable gentlemen with lots of wisdoms!

@franky8240 2 года назад

Wow. Danke

@iyershankar85 2 года назад

Wow!!! Jiddu ji predicted the cancel culture 3/4 decades ago in this talk 😲😲😲

@anjusagar5659 3 года назад

🙏🙏🙏🌹

@rachelhovells 3 месяца назад

🙏❤️

@jenniferlee5871 2 года назад

To understand how to live peacefully, is the real issue.

@robertopuccianti8498 3 года назад

💥🙏💚🌻

@Gaurav.P0 10 месяцев назад

Last 15 minutes were powerful 🔥🔥

@user-om8et9jr3v 2 года назад

Krishnaji est le seul à avoir expliqué de façon rationnel tout le processus du mouvement de la pensée,de la mémoire ,de l''expérience qui a crée un "moi" un "Je" conditionné,toujours limité

@karthikg.l.4330 Год назад

This video seems to have recorded recently, not only due to quality of the video but also in the contexts on which the speakers are discussing, which is relevant even today.

@kennethfurr7397 3 года назад

May 27, 2021 - We still live in a world where humans kill themselves, kill other humans, needlessly kill nonhumans, and destroy the planet in the name of concepts, beliefs, stories, desires, profits (green paper has more value than life - how strange this is). Slaughterhouses. War. Poverty. Hunger. We still, the majority, have not learned a thing, have not seen.

@AD-kv9kj 2 года назад

Salik just isn't listening to what K was saying here. His mind is just constantly trying to find out how to change the world and keeps asking questions about that, instead of listening to K who is talking solely about actually confronting ones own self right now and seeing what's true. That's the only thing to do, because it's an impossible fantasy to try to change others and the world. You don't see the truth of yourself in order to then try and change the world and change others, you do it purely because it's the right thing to do - because you care about what's real and not all your petty egotistical desires, whether those desires are for money, power, status, possessions or the desires for "enlightenment" and wanting to feel better than others merely in a "spiritual" way, or the desire for belief and ideas, of heavens and reincarnation or whatever else. All of it is conditioned egotism, however subtle and clever the mind gets with games of "spirituality" or religion or any other kind of subtle one-upmanship.

@catinabruce633 2 года назад

King RIP

@cmanjularao9833 Год назад

K........ ❤️

@sureshchandrapradhan333 8 лет назад

Do we see that the human being suffer and live with their biases and are divided with various beliefs devoid of love and compassion.?Are we seeing the necessity to find out the root cause to look within and change ?

@deepthir503 Год назад

🌞 ☀️

@oocanto 5 лет назад

¡Qué tipos!

@valeriozecchinelli2555 2 года назад

era un uomo straordinario, gli doveva essere conferito il premio nobel, ha salvato la vita a milioni di bambini. Prese semplicemente una medaglia al valore dal presidente Eisenhower. E per permettere a tutta la popolazione di vaccinarsi,non ha mai voluto brevettare la sua scoperta

@kprashant9026 Год назад

I am able to relate this instant kindness, compassion, love to BRAHMAVIHARAS in the teachings of buddha.

@kevincastelino3209 Год назад

He is talking about fundamental change in the structure of human living. But how do you change this world order which is based on nationality, commercialism, religion and various divisions? How will his compassionate look or act or for that matter the compassion you are refer affect the whole of humanity to co-operate for peaceful co existence and helping each other?

@sureshs8419 17 дней назад

How can you bring about a lasting change in that which changes every moment? That which I identify as me is never the same, changing all the time. Being aware of one's identification appears to be the key. Stop the identification and this problem is seen for what it is -- non-existent. What we experience can only be the other.

@amits3330 3 года назад

K says there is no psychological advancement, we're stuck. Now you what going on this day, people become more neurotic, more and more people talk about depression, and the globalised proccess of more and more places become city's might helped it happen. Shopping malls are everywhere and so on..

@kprashant9026 Год назад

Are we beings able to see the truth? How many of us see the truth? I. E. To observe with complete awareness and realise that you and I are the same. To observe without any division, fragments. How many of us do it? Is it easy to do ?

@sreedevivinnakota9255 10 месяцев назад

fire burns........cobra bite is poisonous ......sunstroke is dangerous...........division between humans , countries , languages , religions ......is dangerous .

@kprashant9026 Год назад

And mind you.. It has to be instant.. With no after some time or period... Just instantly... Spontaneously.!!

@krox477 4 месяца назад

Great fun they're talking about AI

@eliasalexanderweis9078 3 года назад

Hallo an Alle! Wie ich gerade sehe sind hier nur "kommentare" auf englisch! Gibt es denn auch deutsche oder deutschsprachige mitmenschen, die , genau wie ich, an den vorträgen von krishnaji interessiert sind? Ihren horizont erweitern wollen und einfach nur sein wollen? Mit ganz lieben Grüßen Elias

@vanderpappa 2 года назад

Hi Elias Ich beschäftige mich schon einige Zeit mit dem was Krishnamurti mit der Menschheit teilen wollte. Dein Kommentar war das erste in deutscher Sprache das unter einer seiner Reden gesehen haben Also sind wir mindestens zwei😀

@baturoztunc 3 года назад

Too much2take for humans... he was beyond us

@mattwaala 2 года назад

This is the excuse , the "me" makes to safeguard itself, because if it understood what he is saying, that would be ending of this "me" 😊

@kairopp1801 3 года назад

Sub en español por favor

@EdsonATorres Год назад

😔

@0076jan 2 года назад

JK killed it by all means. Dr. Salk has still a lot of catching up to do.

@ManuLuck82 Год назад

In the end it doesn't change anything who killed whom... We're all dead anyway... If we are yet truly real and not just a manifestation...

@sylviagung1007 3 года назад

Dr. Salk says, "We are taught to hate ... " This means that, myself graduated a public school system in its method of teaching in compare and compete principle, the comparing instinct and hatred is in my bones. We need a different way of teaching and what is taught in public schools which is the norm of all education. K was right that he built 5~6 schools to raise children differently .... But ... how can that cover? It's no wonder humans have become more and more selfish, idiotic, violent

@krox477 4 месяца назад

Comparison is inevitable in current society because it is based on artificial scarcity.

@BabbaYagga 3 года назад

OMG, Salk does not get anything. He does not get what K. is pointing at.

@yamayoga6930 2 года назад

Yes indeed. And in this we only can recognize our own helpless efforts to grasp the truths that K shares ever so patiently with every human being he talks with. It is a pattern that is to be seen in many of these videos. K is in fact not talking to the person in front of him, but to the entire human consciousness that is present at that very place and moment.

@user-qg6mu8yu5l 16 дней назад

Yes. He is certainly detached from the room. Patiently understanding. It's beautiful.

@pramodar6437 Год назад

Jk is the sun. We just have to be in his rays. If this conversation isn't enough for someone to mutate instantly I don't know what else can.

@ermiyaswoldearegay9471 2 года назад

Psychological knowledge is the very destructive factor. Even though you might know all the pathologies everyone you come in contact with, in the long run it will isolate you and it distorts your perception of people makes true forgiveness impossible.

@thskendjeo134 Год назад

Nobody has that deep penetrative understanding.... They all seem superficial....

@jacquelinepompan6834 2 года назад

Russia just sent a ballistic into a train yard w ukraines, (human-being) . On the side of the missle.. "for the children". We can call those who did this .. what would we call them that did that to those human being crowded into group to go to safety???

@mishajava Год назад

54:38 Jesus! :)

@martinguila 9 лет назад

Krishnamurti is actually wrong in that we are getting more violent and wars are getting worse. Historical records show that between the late Middle Ages and the 20th century, European countries saw a 10- to 50-fold decline in their rates of homicide. It is absurd that war still exists but a lot less people die in battle today than 1000 or 500 years ago. Despite that we have more weapons than ever. You can check the research on this by Steven Pinker.

@arveycito1 9 лет назад

We are more violent than ever,We will have a nuclear war very soon.East against the West.Russia,China and North Korea are ready for war.Krishnamurti was sent to Earth to teach us that we can CHANGE by a psychological revolution within,the enemy is not outhere,the enemy is within.The RED PLANET is approaching our earth and it is going to destroy everything,just take a photo of the sun and you will see the great king of terror.The people from other planets are ready to rescue those that are doing a psychological revolution.,they will be taken to a secret place ....

@youtubeanonymous8083 6 лет назад

This was during the cold war when tensions were high and I think the main point what he said (that war has been going on for millennia, needs to change) is still absolutely warranted for. Yes perhaps nowadays, with things such as European Union and globalization, all-out war might be less frequent, but there is still a lot of room for improvement, just consider the Middle East Wars right now. There is also the risk of regression through fervent populism nationalism etc.

@bluemistofcorreggio3732 5 лет назад

i believe he was referring to the very possible near future of total extinction of majority of humanity by the advancing nuclear technology. He seems to be talking with past present and future in consideration of it all with out separating it in his speech. just giving it all out of him in rawness as it comes to him.

@nancydrew3781 4 года назад

Martin Hallén We kill more people through economic means than by military means.

@henryreese7236 3 года назад

Well, there was no Pinker around in his time. He has seen two World Wars and many others conflicts in his life. He is making a statement based on that.

@janklaas6885 2 года назад

🇺🇳58:16 and thats me 👽

@DarkKnight-fx1ei Год назад

Give the guy a break. He helped to eradicate Polio.

@mrsir3076 2 года назад

I love listening to krishnamurti talk, but I cannot for the life of me seem to do what he is imploring people to do. It's sad and frustrating.

@spcsh1936 2 года назад

Me too...but at least I found some peace and aliveness in my brain thanks to his message...do you experience something of the sort?

@deborab4762 7 месяцев назад

Who am I? K speaks about starting near. “No one can resolve my problem , I have to do it” Why suffering ? What are my conditionings, my beliefs, the ways I think, the content? How do I look into the question of suffering? Do I belong to a church, country, football team , tribe? The need to belong, how am I catering to it? Why belonging to humanity is not enough? Does it make me feel special to belong to these groups? Am I safe , really safe by belonging to these groups or is it a fantasy? Am I questioning the rules and what I need to do to belong? Do I question the price of belonging to these groups? Are they about love and compassion? Really? Does these belongings provide pleasure and quiet my fears? Am I free? What happens if and when I disagree? The same questions pertain to belonging to a family. Am I willing to see my attachments, clinging, what is the price? Am I aware of how I blindly live my life, what I consume and why? Am I really free? To die to that which we learned, adopted, believed and made us who we think we are, enabled us more or else to function and also caused us suffering. When we see clearly how this paradigm is the cause of all the horror and suffering, clarity happens and life is not the same. Moments of clarity , then confusion then clarity again… Do you want to sit in the sun? If not why? And what is the obstacle? Only we can answer for ourselves.