“The world’s still the same. There’s just less in it” has stuck with me ever since I’ve seen At World’s End in theaters as a kid. That whole conversation and the delivery of the lines are so good.
@@grahammaxwell2112 well being 26 I don’t really consider myself a kid, nor should other adults. But hey, you want to think 26 counts as a kid you do you.
Barbossa was Jack's first mate- in pirate culture, that's a close relationship (like best friends) which makes his mutiny against Jack sting a lot and very scummy; even by pirate standards. Every man for himself but you never betray the crew and least of all your captain and then add the fact Jack is a Pirate Lord (Barbosa became one later)
@@thejohnson2328 who? Jack is a Lord ever since he got his Moroccan braid with the coin from Esmeralda. Which Jack already wears since CoBP. Barbossa doesn't necessarily follow the code but killing a surrender enemy and a pirate is forbidden in The Code. Betrayal is okay, but the affected party can kill in revenge. So Jack can kill Barbosa without breaking The Code. As I said while Barbosa doesn't follow The Code he did do the next thing allowed to Jack during his mutiny. Which was marooning him on that tiny island with bread or hardtack, a bottle of water and a pistol with a single shot (per The Code) Barbosa became a Lord after killing the russian pirate that was killing pirates and killing merchant prisoners. I belive that was back when Jack and Barbosa were still together, which is probably why Hector mutinied against Jack- and started his whole rhetoric: I want to tell and live my story. I mean 2 Lords in one ship?? Jack doesn't care about status, but Barbosa does.
I like that Barbosa has enough class to keep a full bowl of fresh apples in the middle of his table despite the fact that neither he or his crew can eat any. Also, the way he and Jack show vulnerability around each other makes it clear why Barbosa was Jack's first mate at one time.
I like to think of it as a reminder of what he is seeking. Barbosa loves apples but can't taste them, so he keeps them around until he can. When Jack shoots him dead later in the movie, an apple fell out of his hand. He probably brought it along because it was the first thing he wanted to taste once the curse had been lifted, but when it tumbles to the ground, it hasn't been touched. Beautiful and tragic symbolism imo.
@@kebrongurara1612 He'd only need like, one at a time, but he keeps a whole bunch in case they get cured and his whole crew can share them. Thought that was nice.
@@Bacxaber Well, he's able to have that many available and probably munches on them even though it does nothing, just out of habit. It's a lot of symbolism.
@@Bacxaber During the failed ritual to break the curse with Elizabeth's blood, he mentions the first thing he's gonna do is "eat a whole bushel of apples".
One thing you have to give Barbosa credit for, is he never adopted a victim mentality. Never adopted a defeatist mindset. Even after losing his leg, he still didn't give up, as a lesser man would.
@@matthewdunphy8524 probably in the heat of the moment, srsly, i doubt you'll completely process that your own ship came to life and had the ropes wrap your crew and your leg *and* trying to figure out an escape plan
@@JP-pp2tn Its actaully interesting to note that Jack actually sunk along with the Pearl when the Kraken sunk it down. He was chained by Elizabeth, but he sunk with it nonetheless and both ship and captain ended in Davy Jones' Locker. Also, it is interetsing to note that The Black Pearl never betrayed Jack, but it did "betray" Barbosa possibly twice. The first, when after Barbosa and the crew had a mutiny against Jack and it took the crew to Isla de Muerta where they found Hernan Cortez' Aztec Gold and were cursed after, as if it were punishing the crew for removing the original captain(Jack). I dont really remember if Jack was going to go there originally before being mutinied upon, so technically, it was just one time then. The second being when it wrapped the crew and Barbosa's leg forcing him to cut it off and escape. I know it was Blackbeard's doing, but its some details like that that make this interesting. After all, it was Jack who was the original captain of the Black Pearl, even before it became the Black Pearl. The ship "knows" it was because of his deal with Davy Jones that it resurfaced and gets to sail the seas once again. When it got sent to Davy Jones' Locker in the third movie, Jack was the one who caused it to resurface in the living world again by causing that "down is up" stunt.
One of his great traits. When he tells the story about the Aztec Gold or how the Pearl was captured, it’s up to our imagination and horrors each story folds.
"I'll have to be frank, Hector. You are very very ugly, so how could you produce a fetching creature such as that?" As if Barbossa has no feelings ajjdjskksk
Isn't that the same question he also asked to Blackbeard? (not directly the same but the message is), I mean if I we're jack I also would've asked the same 😂
Lmao this reminded me of grown-ups when they talked about Rob and his daughters they were like how do get that from that ? And one responds by saying 95 percent of that gotta be from the mother and I'm low bawling lol 😆
1:47 You can clearly see the heartbreak in Jack. The original three will always hold that magic that the others can never reach. And in this, you can clearly see Jack coming to the realisation that he can't adventure the high seas forever. Most of the adventures have been done, by his hands, or others. There's not much left to do. That's why he doesn't want this adventure to end.
They should make one more where Davey Jones comes back coz the curses apparently brings other things back and then will and all the old gang come back or something but that being said pirates of the Caribbean will always be held close to my heart my favourite Disney movies by far but yes nothing will beat the og trilogy
You're so right about Barbossa (i wouldn't count out Jack as a typical pirate however. I feel like his fits the untold stories more so). Barbossa certainly fits the stories we've heard about real pirates, though.
@@butterphli3z Jack is more adventure and freedom upon the seas, while Barbossa is more plunder and glory. Jack even tempts Barbossa in Curse by playing at the idea of a greater rank than captain to tie to his name. Jack just wants to captain the Pearl. Barbossa though, he could be an admiral if he has enough ships under his belt.
One of the things I admire about Barbossa is, he might be a tough, mean, and scary old buzzard: but despite all that, he is very human and he lets it show. Jack acts like nothing bothers him and pretends he's not scared of anything. Barbossa would never admit to being afraid, but when he actually has feelings, he doesn't try to hide them! A rare thing to see in someone so tough. As you watch him in the films, when he is sad, worried, troubled, or even afraid, you can clearly see it! And he doesn't pretend not to have human feelings! That's something I find very admirable in a man, especially one who's supposed to be impenetrably rugged. He's really a bit softie, underneath all that gnarled skin and gravelly voice.
It was revealed in this film, also about Jack. he is to never betray his compass. Thats why he left that girl in the end of the previous movie, thats why he is always going somewhere. He cant go against what he wants the most. he doesnt want power, he wants freedom. he could have killed Davy Jones himself but didnt want to sacrifice his freedom. That compass is not just something he holds for good luck, its also his own burden. Also he would never have rated him out to his daughter, he just wanted to talks a bit with hector. He would never do something thats going too far, even if he seems like someone who would blab out he is very intelligent.
Geez, that second scene 0:54-1:57. You can just see Jack realizing that his world, the world he so loves of true adventures and The Golden Age of Piracy is dying. Like Becket said, the corners of the map are being filled in. Theres less and less unexplored and wild places for people like Jack to live in. And this is the scene where he finnaly exepts it. He has to finaly find a hill to fight and possibly die on. Something hes never done before.
Barbossa could've taken Karina and trained her to become a pirate and to become his successor. Just like Blackbeard did to Angelica, but instead he gave her a chance at a better life by putting her in an orphanage.
Honestly- this could be one of the reasons barbossa hated blackbeard.not only did he curse the pearl, but he turned his daughter into a lamb to a slaughter, something Hector was clearly against. Compare "Save me my child" to "Your treasure"
They were best friends. Before the mutiny they were each others best friends, and later they were once again. Notice how Hector never really tried to kill Jack? He gave him a chance instead of just killing him. Jack DID kill Hector, but that was solely to protect Will and Elizabeth who were innocents. After Hector came back he and Jack would bicker but never actually try to end each other again.
@@rpsnider85 fr and when barbosa dies you can see the pain and shock in jacks face, and the first thing he does when they’re ready to set sail is say “my rendezvous is beyond the horizon” which i felt like was a hint at jack going to get barbosa from the locker or where ever he is
@@rpsnider85 I always thought Jack saved his one shot for 10 years and planned on using it on Barbossa when the curse was lifted which he eventually did at the end of the first movie. Jack even tells Will when they're sword fighting and Jack plays dirty by kicking sand in his face and pulling his pistol on him " This shot is not meant for you" Gibbs then confirms this later when he's telling Will about what happens when a pirate is marooned. "Now Jack he still has that single shot but he won't use it save but one man, his mutinous first mate".
@@rpsnider85 He tried to kill him towards the end of the first movie when he stabbed him. That's about the only time I recall him actually going out of his way to attempt murdering Jack, though.
2:05 I love this scene, you can see the sheer jealousy on Jacks face when he says “I want one of those...” and then the story to follow, Hector is a badass storyteller.
@@Jiskpirate Salazar had great lines, and the "treasure in the sky" was nothing but poetic ! I watched it again the other day and actually found it very good. It is just like when POTC 4 arrived : we just missed what was not here from the previous films and it takes a while to enjoy it as an new history on its own.
They just can't both be Captain of the same ship. And as long as the Peral is a thing, each man feels like it's his. I'd say they're both pretty good Captains too, despite their hick ups along the way of their journeys
@@thedreamer4222 That's why, time and time again, he's not only lead his ENTIRE crew to demise (Isle De Muerta, Calypso, Fountain of Youth to be slaughtered by Black Beard after taking the ship from Jack. Again.) And continuously gets outsmarted by Jack? But, they didn't tell you that in your RU-vid review.
Love the first scene. I’ve always seen it as Jack being like, “in screwing me over, you screwed yourself over and therefore in screwing me over which resulted in screwing yourself over in the process, who’s the real winner here? Me or you?” And then to really twist the knife in some more he takes a bite of an apple (which Barbossa loves), as Jack knows as well as Barbossa himself, that Barbossa doesn’t have the luxury of enjoying food whilst under the influence of the curse. Short scene, brilliant writing 👏👏👏
0:49 I love how Jack chooses to eat that apple in front of Hector right after talking about how he didn't get cursed, not knowing that the first thing Barbossa wants to do after his curse is lifted is eat a whole bowl of apples.
Jack and Hector used to work together as captain and first mate. I think it is possible that Jack could guess why there were so many apples in Hector his room and was eating them to taunt him.
That second conversation is my favorite. It shows that even two Sparrow amd Barbosa have been at odds they're still on the same team and respect one another. It also acknowledges they know the age of pirates is coming to an end but they're both willing to fight to prolong it.
It's something I love about their third one when they're tied to the trees together. Jack understands Barbossa's need for revenge and is willing to see to it that he gets his shot.
I love when Barbossa calls Jack "Lad" in the Kraken scene. Most of the time they are rivals, equals in a sense. This seems to be the only time that it's being acknowledged that there is a bit of an age difference there (at least that's what it feels like to me, just in case there's some obscure source out there that debunks the age thing and somone calls me out on it. In that case you could just read it as more of a difference in maturity). Makes the conversation feel even more genuine to me, like they're letting their guard down and being a bit more vulnerable.
@@zekaizerguy1181 They were friends from the price of freedom novel until -10 years before Curse of the Black Pearl. ie they were "vulnerable", like they used to be prior to the mutiny. Geoffrey stated that Barbossa enjoys his now frenemy relationship with Sparrow, & be insanely jealous & put out, if anyone else rose to that position.
"I never imagined she'd take those scribblings and make a life of her own..." That line really gets me. We really underestimate our children sometimes. Whatever we want or don't want them to become they find their own path. It's really a beautiful thing.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx it's called putting something in the film that was not needed at all. And it doesn't really fit his timeline. Oh and the films never hinted at it before. it felt like they wanted it just to make his character more likable to the uptight parents in the audience. And there's also the thing that Elizabeth Swan was like his daughter (in the 3rd film) IT WAS NOOOOOTTTT NEEDED ATTT ALLLLLLL! but the thing I hate the most is that Carina is his daughter (might not be) and she's the least interesting and most annoying character in all of POTC
Just his wolf-like persona makes him look like a villain turned good guy, but he just always acted for his goals, even if they were different, but that doesnt make him a bad guy
He is a bad guy, he betrayed his friend and left him to die in a deserted island. Not to mention he strapped a Cannon to a man's behind and blasted him to death. Bad guy, likeable bad guy with many layers, but a bad guy nonetheless
@@Tommy_111 as I said, his personality doesnt make him a villain, his ways of achieving goals do. Yes, he did bad things, but you gotta admit, Barbossa has a style.
Those movies makes you forget that Jack and Barbossa are both vilains they don't fight for any good cause they fight for personal gain nothing more nothing less
@@Anonymous2306 which personality? The one that found it hilarious to kidnap a young girl from het home, bring her aboard, scare her almost to death with alive skeletons and threaten to slit her throat. Then leave her on an island, tell a guy to shoot you before you go mad and kidnap a young man with the intention of slitting his throat, while smiling all the way through that? His personality goes hand in hand with his action but yes he has charm and style. Still makes him a villain.
Good for you, you've witnessed death. Not like many others haven't. You chose a profession that literally involves people often being at Death's door, don't know why you're even pretending to be impressed by quotes on death.
@@EmptyMan000 Not everyone is prepared for dealing with death, even those whose jobs require them to do so. Just because one deals with death everyday doesn't mean it gets any easier. You grow to accept it, but the fatigue never goes away. If anything it'll grow and grow, and even if you deal with it in healthy ways you can't look at corpses and think, "Oh yeah this is good".
@@EmptyMan000 Please dislodge your head out of your ass. I'm a doctor, and yes, medicine is a field that frequently deals with death, but it is precisely for that reason that one can be contemplative about it and reflect on one's experiences with it. EMS are often first in line in this regard. There's no pretentiousness there.
@@EmptyMan000 I usually don’t comment on this type of thing because it’s not who I am. But this is genuinely one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen get said and I frequently peruse instagram comments.
You can tell that Hector and Jack really respect each other. I think that Jack isn't even mad at Hector for leading a mutiny against him. They are pirates afterall.
He was definitely pissed about the mutiny originally. He held onto that pistol and kept it loaded with the same shot for 13 years. He was willing to get captured by the British navy, and be executed, just so that bullet wouldn't be used on someone it wasn't meant for. That wasn't compassion for Will (who Jack later tried to offer up as a sacrifice to be murdered in exchange for the Pearl. Will realised and knocked him out before Jack could make the offer). He was obsessed with Barbosa's betrayal. But besides mild annoyance, he was pretty chill with Barbosa once they both came back from the dead. Jack had already gotten his revenge. Seems he figured they were even.
Cutting your own leg just to get revenge against the scoundrel that turned your own ship against you is so metal "I'm the master of me ship, not Blackbeard. _I'm_ the master of me fate, _not_ Blackbeard!"
“The worlds still the same, just less in it.” That’s when you know one of the best Disney franchises is coming to an end and now it is because they got rid of jack and to me there is no pirates of the Caribbean without jack it’ll just be too hard and will and Henry will he great but jack is just too good.
I love the scene at 0:53, a brief moment of understanding between Jack and Barbossa. Almost like a father talking to his son, giving him life advice. Probably my favorite interaction between the two.
I took that line and made my own philosophy with the same tone it was uttered: "The world is often said to have gone mad; but the world is perfectly sane, though the same can not be said for the people dwelling on it."
No one can take these movies away from us, even if there are no more of them, or no more Jack Sparrow, this is part of Hollywood ‘s cinematic history. We can relieve them over and over again. I take consolation in that.
The soft smile when he tries to bring some optimism with "Sometimes, things come back, mate. We're living proof, you and me." But you can tell he's just holding on to the last bit of hope that the world he's loved and explored for so many years will survive. And it just fades as he says "The world's still the same. There's just... less in it."
2:48 it's almost like he's sharing a Vietnam war horror story. It's like a PTSD flashback. That's excellent film making there. Not to mention the cast chemistry.
Barbossa is intelligent and is experienced beyond his years. Sparrow is cunning and able to devise a plan in moment's. Both geniuses in their own right. They respect this one eachother and you can see this friendship that is more true then any other. They relax around eachother more then anyone else, they know the other so well that they can't just use normal tricks on eachother so why even bother anymore.
goodness, the duality between these two.... they are just...... truly two peas in a pod. The way Barbossa started... not just explaining... RELIVING the night the pearl was taken from him... he looked like he had genuine shell shock. He looks so.... shaken, something he couldn't fathom happening to his ship, crew, and self. But.... he made the choice... of life or limb... he chose life.... and made sure to make it count.
It really makes you wonder, had Barbossa and Jack not been at odds with each other, the amazing feats of piracy they could have accomplished. For the sake of the plot they needed to be "enemies", but in the few moments in which they did work together they were an unbeatable pair and during the quiet, talking moments, you almost sense a feeling of admiration and respect between them.
Barbosa is perhaps my favorite character in the Pirates of the Caribbean films. Even in On Stranger Tides and Dead Men Tell No Tales, he still has this magnetism that is amazing. You can't help but want to listen to every bit of wisdom that he has to offer. He may be a cold-hearted bastard at times, but goddamn if he can't be one of the most heroic and touching characters of the franchise. Wish they hadn't killed him off though, and for the simple fact that he had a daughter he never knew about. Would've liked to have seen him go on as the new Captain of the Queen Anne's Revenge. Say what you want about that plot element, but you can't deny once Barbosa took over control of Blackbeard's ship, he seriously traded up from the Black Pearl. The Queen Anne's Revenge gave Barbosa real power, the kind of power he's been wanting since he betrayed Jack and lead a mutiny against him.
I'm happy they killed him, he's also my favorite character (not counting Norrington in Dead Man's Chest) but his story was over. It's easy to forget that this man spent nearly a decade as an undead monster, died, and came back to life. I see his sacrifice as perfect because of one thing, he didn't choose to become undead, he didn't choose to die at Jack's hands, he didn't ask to be brought back and was forced to uphold his end of a bargain he never agreed to. I see his death as him finally choosing his own fate, choosing how his own story ends. Here's hoping Jack dies if they ever make another one, he has also been brought back from the dead *twice* (by Davy Jones before the mutiny and then by the crew getting him from the Locker) he seems like he's given up on life and has nothing to live for anymore, the perfect character to kill in some meaningful way
@@spacejesus6581 That actually helped put things into perspective for me. Thank you for that. And I hope Jack makes a sacrifice too, and maybe if we’re lucky, and Davy Jones returns, he’ll make the sacrifice to save Will, Elizabeth, and Henry, because whether he cares to admit it or not, they are his family.
These two knew each other the best, as enemies and brother pirates would. No one else had a relationship as a deep and as crazy as these two and thats why they would always be able to stand on equal footing with each other.
I like that Barbossa was willing to consider Jack’s list of demands up until he said he wanted to eat Jack the monke. Hector loves that little monke too much to let Jack kill him.
I always loved how barbosa when telling jack about how the pearl was taken he says " our ship", either he meant his and the crew or his and Jack's. Either way i love it because he recognizes that it's not just his
I always enjoyed watching Jack and Hector get along. After the first movie, they always gave the impression they were good friends that simply argued a lot and competed over everything.
Damn I really wanted a movie with just the 2 of them sailing, bickering like an old married couple, having some serious conversations like these every now and then and helping each other in their own ways reaching a goal both of them wanted (a treasure of some kind of artefact)
I agree there was little bits out of the movie of jack especially the last 5 minute of the movie I just hope they can redeem themselves and we can forget this movie exists
The final conversation in these clips is very revealing about Barbossa. He is cunning, greedy, and all that, but he is also filled with self-loathing. He calls himself: "Worthless", and: "A swine like me". He knows what he is, he does have a high-degree of self-awareness, and deep down he loathes that person, but on his own he is too selfish to change. However, later in the final film, you can see his daughter having an affect on him. He is clearly touched by how she admires the idea of him, even though she is unaware of who he is, and this has a profound affect on him. He strikes as someone that nobody ever cared about. That perhaps people just saw as someone to be used and abused, which hardened him and caused to grow up into the man he became. However, when his daughter speaks so highly of him, you almost get the sense that he was finally recieving the love and admiration he deeply craved his whole life. I think, as far as character development goes, if he had had more time with her, I think she would have truly caused him to change. I think he would've really discovered his humanity, and eventually given up his wayward life.
No. It's just the writers for 5 completely not understanding his character and trying to make him more believable. But missing by a mile. He would never say that to jack in that situation. It just makes all the pacifists in the audience happy. It's the curse of the 5th film. Disney-fying
"I think she would have truly caused him to change. I think he would've really discovered his humanity, and eventually given up his wayward life." The thing is, that's exactly what he does at the end of the fifth movie. He gave up his greed, his fortune, his power, his second life and everything that came with it, just to ensure his daughter's safety. Say what you will about the 4th and 5th movies, but they do such great work with Barbossa's character.
Barbossa talking bout the Pearl gave me chills. Like we've been on that ship, we know what it's capable of. For it to be used against us? I understand Barbossas methods
Love the conversations, even Pirates four had the same beautiful dialogue. But without Ted and Terry writing the script, Pirates 5 will never be a true Pirates movie for me.
@@tizyman7120 not really, he made jack, which is the smartest pirate in the series a drunk guy and the beautiful dialogues present in the previous movies weren't there at all, alo the plot is just basic disney shit. take a look at the dialogue between jack and hector at the kraken corpse spot and compare it to the new movie's dialogue....
It wasnt that bad, it was A LOT better than Pirates 4, that movie is literal trash. DMTNT was a bit weird with the compas thing but the rest is ok. Of course its not even comparable with the original trilogy. But at least its rewatchable after a while, unlike potc4 lol
What a pair these two were. It was always nice how, despite all the characters overall, Jack and Hector were definitely at the forefront of being two individuals with the title of Pirate but with different views. Still, they were able to talk and come together when needed. Love the Pirates series.
They're both great. I like Jack and Barbossa the same, but for different reasons. They are definitely two of my favorite characters, both in their own unique ways! Still, for me personally, Will Turner is the one I would go out with for a suitor.
Wanna know what I love about Jack's proposal to Barbossa at the beginning? Jack is intending to leave Barbossa marooned on an island - like he was - forcing him to watch as Jack sails away on the Pearl, and Jack will _shout_ the name of who Barbossa an the Crew need back to them... The name that Jack has to give them _is William Turner._ - Will shares the same name as his father...Meaning that to them, he'll just be telling them _what they already know._ Jack won't be lying, but I think it's his intent that they don't figure-out that he's revealing the existence of Bootstrap's Son. So in-essence...Jack intends to _screw them._ Heck, a Deleted-Scene with Elizabeth confirms this. Jack was planning on _not revealing_ Will, because his only bargaining chip was that Barbossa _didn't know about Will._ So Jack was going to scoop-up his end of the bargain, and leave his mutinous crew _hanging._
Greetings from johnny depp👋 thanks for your care,support and love you show through your comments and likes i'm so grateful to entertain you❤ Where are you watching from?
These two are brothers, there's no argument about it. The way they interact with each others speaks it plain and simple. They're brothers, not blood related but a strong chemistry that brings them together. Barbossa is the typical older brother, always one step ahead of Jack. And Jack is the younger brother trying to prove himself, trying to level himself to Barbossa
When you get to Dead Men Tell No Tales, you can see just how much both Depp and Rush don't give a shit. Their dialogue is basic and their delivery is devoid of any sort of enthusiasm whatsoever. I'd have never thought, considering all the great conversations we literally just watched, that somehow the most charismatic and lively actors in this whole shindig become these stale caricatures of who they were. Jack is reduced to comic relief, and Barbossa is reduced to melodrama. Compare their fundamentally basic conversation of Jack slurring his way along while Barbossa talking about his out-of-character parental issues to them talking about the Kraken, and realizing that the two of them must put aside their differences and focus on something much bigger than themselves.
The script was weak and not as classy as the previous ones because the original two writters did not write this one. But story-wise it makes sense, these two are just evolving characters and one finally has everything he desired besides from real people to share his treasures with while Jack is the exact opposite, he has people who care for him, but he himself has nothing, he lost the ship, compass, had misfortune for years and became a depressed drunk shell of himself. So the tone of their conversation absolutely fits in my honest opinion, but the script itself is weak because it's writter was weak. But yeah, don't think that Depp with Rush did not care, they did their best with given direction and script. They just had to accept it for what it is. Also Depp was constantly drunk thanks to his abusive ex-wife Heard.
As you said, the script was indeed weak because Jeff Nathanson himself is a weak writer. But the fundamental problem concerning Jack is that the part that you mentioned, that he has people that care about him yet nothing himself, could not be further from what any story was directed towards. Jack never really had anyone truly care about him, with the exception of Gibbs, and in this movie all the characters involved have zero reason to care for Jack. Meanwhile Barbossa still maintains a level of reverence among both his crew and his enemies, which while not being the same thing as love is still more than Jack ever had. If I were in charge of writing this movie, I would keep the angle of Barbossa having everything materially while Jack has nothing materially, but I would make it so that neither of them have people that care about them (at least, not at first). Barbossa wouldn't care about anyone other than himself because 1) if he were to do so that would be completely out of line with his established character, as this movie shows, and 2) he has no need to. His goal is to be the master of his fate, and to develop him further, you need to have him in charge of his own destiny without the interference of anyone else. Regarding Jack, I would retool the angle of Jack being down on his luck, but instead of merely playing it for cheap laughs and doing nothing to resolve this potential arc (which is what happened in the movie), I would make sure it is resolved by showing Jack at the true end of his rope. He spent his whole life in pursuit of two things: fortune and immortality. And as he gets older he sees he's not a penny richer and he's closer with the prospect of his own mortality than ever before, and both of these have been hindered by his inherently good nature he tries so hard to suppress. So as his luck runs out and his depression kicks in, he's desperately struggling to find purpose in his life again. What this would require is basically a reversal of the whole Carina plot; meaning, Carina should have been Jack's daughter, not Barbossa's. Jack, thinking he has nothing left to live for, discovers that he now has the greatest purpose a man could ever hope for. Barbossa, with all of his riches and power, would see what Jack was able to obtain, and then from there begins to question his actions and misdeeds that brought him to the top. Seeing a man as committed to the pirate's life as Jack Sparrow decide to take responsibility for someone he cares about would cause Barbossa to pause and reflect on himself, wondering if all the evil he had done was worth it, because now Jack has something that Barbossa can never obtain. With this, you keep consistent characterization of both Jack and Barbossa, and they both get satisfactory stories suiting them. Thus, by flipping the narrative around, you have complete arcs that don't leave the caliber of actors such as Depp and Rush in the dust.
@@spentlizard353 That's deep, I really like the suggested flip, it also is something that exists in a complete fanfiction rewrite of DMTNT, and it is very decent, giving further character depth to Jack, Barbossa and Salazar. How would it end tho? Jack sacrificing himself or Barbossa? Would both Carina and Jack stay with Turners or one of them or both leave to have pirate's life together?
@@Altherot It’s funny you should say that, because I did do a fanfiction rewrite of the movie that did exactly that, and I’m wondering if it’s the same one you’re referring to.
honestly this character has so much interesting history to him that hes as interesting as jack, mutinied against jack and stole the black pearl, but was cursed by the treasure they found, needed to steal wills blood in order to fix their curse but ended up dying before he could eat his first apple, gets ressurected back by calypso to help save jack and also turns out to be one of the nine pirate lords making him one of the 9 most infamous pirates in the sea, helped the pirate win the war and even married the couple on the ship, barbossa then ends up losing the pearl to black beard cutting his leg off to survive, and gets revenge against the man who had took everything from him by a poisoned blade, and now he saves his own daughter from dying when he once searched for the trident this dude has such a massive interesting history both past and present im honestly suprised he does not get a standalone film
To put that less idiotically than the people that can only describe this as "frien-emies" This is all the time on screen they are atleast being agreeable and civil with one another. Yes. Across 5 movies, they were only able to have dialouge of this caliber collectively for 6 minutes. That's how strong their rivalry was. Because not even minutes later after ALL these conversations, they were bitter rivals again. And I don't use that word "bitter" lightly.
Just realised,when Barbossa is talking about losing his leg against Blackbeard by saying he is the master of his own fate,not Blackbeard clearly fits his- Too long my future wasn't in my hands,no longer from At world's end after finally getting a chance to free Calypso...
You can clearly see Johnny missing that spark when it came to Pirates 5. He doesn't have the same enthusiasm. He's just doing a Jack Sparrow impression and barely getting through the lines.
Sometimes I feel like they’re the only ones who really know the world, really respect and love it. They’ve had such adventures, together and apart, and they’ll always have this insane bond of brothers in lunacy, because the world’s becoming less mad around them and they’re the only ones who truly keep the old flame going
Maybe Because Jack Been Drunk for the Past Months Before all of this Happen, Cause you know? Depressed the Black Pearl was in a Bottle and Stuck on a British island, Not to mention, Having a Small Crew
