Jacksonville Fire Rescue Department calls second alarm on warehouse fire 

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I believe it is a safety requirement. if the worst happens He can not assist in rescueing a fellow fireman. nor is He protected from any toxins at the scene. The same goes for the Chauffers and engineers.

I would think that if they do something, they've got a good reason for doing it. As a civilian, I have no clue whether the bosses should wear PPE's or not. I'm thinking, though, that *they* know whether they should wear PPE's, and that's good enough for me.

@@baruchben-david4196Firefighter here, he knows that he absolutely should be wearing PPE. More than likely he’s used to not wearing it, because back in the day during his days as a lineman they were pretty lax about having PPE on during the entire operation. If you weren’t actively in the fire, or if it was out, you weren’t on air back then. Cancer prevention nowadays makes it so even after the fire is out firefighters should still have PPE on to prevent breathing in the off gases. Older guys in the service sometimes still forgo that sentiment due to resistance to change.

@@baruchben-david4196at the very least they should have their helmet and coat on, no idea why they don’t even have that especially when so close

We appreciate you and your kind words...we are a proud family here and its nice that you recognize that>

Appreciate that...we all can always learn from each situation.

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They did for sure...thanks

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yes it was

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and all crews walked away from this safe and sound! Thanks for your input!

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Trur.. right now abandoned warehouses cartels using them

Most dangerous fire automobile

It is a different beast for sure and can be quite dangerous. But we were safe.

I do not know when it was constructed...but no it did not.

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Call us keystone all you want...I think you are sadly mistaken

We think so

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not just done when the video ends for sure.

everyone leads in different ways...just don't come work for us then....he is an amazing leader Sorry you don't like it

Dennis Smith one time in his book Report From Engine Co 82 said some chiefs yell and scream and some chiefs are quiet. This chief may yell and scream and micromanage the hell out of his scene but if you look his guys are busting their asses for him. That shows respect that he has earned. Great job Chief and great job to the crews on the scene.

@@davebutcher2011 He is highly respected! Glad you see that.

This was on the southside of town

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Really? We have plenty of "white shirts" that would make that even more of an ignorant statement.

right, and stand right in the way of the guys suited up. Bark orders somewhere else besides in the way

@@zayzay1.5 This is an excellent chief that you are attempting to cut in the butt...you should really keep those comments to yourself as you have no clue what you are saying.

@@thejfrd2490 are you saying 20 clear headed commenters all have no clue? ...regardless of anyones experience, if their methods are waaay off, then it's easy for all to see, how he is as a person has no bearing on proper efficient coordination practices, which was no-where to be seen here...no one is infallible...Your defensiveness is alarming..One old hard-of-hearing gaffer trying to control 50 + suited up firefighters by yelling like a drunk ol' dad is far from good safe practice..

@@TheUrantia001 That is where we differ in opinion...I am defensive because I work side by side with these men and women daily...I trust them completely. Referring to him as "a drunk 'ol dad" doesn't make you any better. The scene was run the way we run scenes...is it perfect? I never said it was...but it was effective and it accomplished the task at hand...I'm proud to have him as a chief of our department, he gets things done and is well respected by the troups.

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@@thejfrd2490 will do

Happens at defensive fires as there is a lot of standing around after the initial setup

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This was not a storage facility...it was a warehouse. But storage facilities can definitely fire hazards...we don't know what is in them...and often they are not sprinklered.

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They are outside the hot zone and need to be able to hear the radio should someone get in trouble.

Exactly. Maybe it would get in the way of their pointing and shouting orders instead of being at a stationary command post at their buggy!

Some are if you don't notice

not quite that easy...but they are in are arsenal.

I’m sorry…cannot answer that question.

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David Lenz your right

@@johngoglia-gh7ql NFPA certified level 1 firefighter retired.

@davidlenzi3551 welcome.. qualified SAFETY OFFICER and investigation.. heavy rescue tech...always want the nozzles. And or "THE TOOL".. SPEADERS

@@davidlenzi3551 also shipboard qualified.. 1 qualified I have to keep to myself.

@davidlenzi3551 your name is familiar.. east coast here..navy, pa.army national guard infantry. Philadelphia naval base fd and 1 heavy rescue volleyball company.. when I was stupid and naive. I tore my body up lolol 4 knee 5 spinal surgeries. Wasn't for my wife day b4 we got married 27 years ago Roddy. I be worse of.. ultimatum fire house or me She listened to several working fires on radio.. Engine 1 go basement or assist truck 23 or 65 open the roof

Hell yea they do!

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we cannot speak for the warehouse staff...we also have to deal with our share of hoarder houses and fires in them...very tricky

Never heard of anybody doing that.

@@harvynussbaum5182 A recent video from Germany showed that technique. In UK construction workers have to wear harnesses on such a roof. I think I have seen London Fire Brigade tethered to their tower. I have seen other viedeos where tethered to the tower would improve safety and allow greater confidence in movement.

The basic answer is 'entanglement and lack of suitable tie-offs' Unlike a construction where a tie-off to the building structure is common and limits fall distances and swing angles in the event of a fall, a fire ground is highly dynamic with only certain areal apparatus offering potential for tie-off and the operational distances from those tie-offs being very limited. OSHA tie-off and fall protection is strictly regulated by 29 CFR Part 19210 and part 1926 for construction, but are not always required for fire ground operations due to the emergency nature of the event. You do not want to tie-off to the burning structure as the building is already compromised by fire. Any structurally installed tie-offs would be questionable at best, and create a greater hazard in the event of a structural collapse. Operating several firefighters off an areal apparatus tie-off would require them to closely coordinate movement to prevent entanglement of safety lines in a situation that already has then near task and situational awareness saturation. Other firefighters reaching the roof from other means, like ground ladders, and internal stairways would likely not be operating near a areal apparatus. In addition, internal operations and roof operations use a 'sounding' method to roughly determine the structural stability of floor and roof components prior to placing weight on them. The floor or roof is 'sounded' or struck with the irons to feel and listen to the building and locate weak or soft spots. While not perfect, it gives the FF a basis on the safety of that portion of the roof or floor. The IC and other officers are responsible, along with the FF's operating there, in determining when the structure has reached a point of instability that requires removal from roof or other internal areas prior to structural collapse. I am a volunteer firefighter with nearly 40 years of structure, aircraft, and shipboard firefighting experience in the US Navy and several VFD's. I am not associated with the JFRD.

@@straytrons3450 Thanks or a clear answer and thanks for the volunteering you do.

I don't think flames were a concern at that point

An 1 1/2 inch line would not touch this much fire...you need penetrating power along with enough GPM's

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Please...where do you work?

Retired 17 years in E. St. LouisFD. Nothing like walking out of a burning structure while wearing zero gloves, but it really doesn't matter. Watching imbisils advancing hose lines past active fire and nobody saying anything? Like WTF, only a matter of time before someone gets burned up down there. And I'm assuming it was a chief who ordered the ladder pipe in the doorway,? I'm sure he has the shits of watching yall fumble the ball. I only seen 2 FF in this video who had even a once of common sense. 1 guy had to resort to a PW, fuk should have gave him the nozzle. The only guy who actually put water on a fire effectively. How many times do we see water flow operations shut down with fire growing in the background??? To many to mention, get pulled out of the building? FINE. once outside that doesn't mean stop flowing water. AMATEUR HOUR!

@@shanestamball1886why did you retire after only 17 years? OJI? Or they ran you out?

@@andyhamilton8940 🤣🤣🤣 10 yrs was enough of the most overworked under payed dept in this entire country. Not that it's any of ur business, but I recieved a inheritance enough to say fuck working and start living.

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Black = firefighter or engineer Yellow = Officer, Lieutenant or Captain White = Chief Red = Hazmat

water supply was pretty far away. as for the chief, he was not deep in the fire, it was not super hot...he is very experienced and knows what he is doing.

@@thejfrd2490 Just saying that you lead what you teach by doing what you teach. I have close to 40 years in the service as a volly for 6 years, US Navy for 23 years, and again as volly for the last 9. I've held the rank of Captain and Safety Chief. If one of mine (Probie or Chief) walked in to that structure bunkered up with SCBA on and flowing but the gloves off, we would have had a conversation, in private, back at the station. The reason being the FF1 that is fresh off the orange shield is watching that Chief and thinking "Well he he does not need gloves, neither do I." But the difference is that FF1 does not have the same experience as the Chief and has now become a liability.

@@straytrons3450 so then you should know that its easy to sit back after the fact and armchair quarterback...you weren't there and don't know the whole story A seasoned veteran knows this.

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@@thejfrd2490 The person said, "The water damage is greater than the fire damage!"

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crazy right?

@@thejfrd2490 yesss

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But bc and deputy were out front.. If they knew going defense. Open roif

I think that is a good point...I believe that the amount of fire inside may have been underestimated initially.

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pretty hot

That certainly wasn't the issue that caused us delay here.

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Sorry...no idea what this says

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you weren't there in charge...thanks for your input

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I cannot answer for someone else's thinking and/or actions.

@jimwinsor8938 you question that we are the most overweight department you have ever seen...we are 1800+ members strong, you are going to make such a judgment on a 30 min video that doesn't show but a small fraction of our force??? I would think you may have better things to do with your time...did they do their jobs?

Sorry Brother should have thought harder before I commented please excuse my ignorance.@@thejfrd2490

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i was thinking that bc if he just left them alone they could do there jobs i bet brian was like shut the f up let me work he kept calling him

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Someone has to be in charge...that is how we work...sorry you don't like it, but it works

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