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Jade or Not? The Cat's Eye Nephrite Debate Explained ft. Washington Jade

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Is Cat's Eye Jade REALLY jade?! Washington Jade mine owner and expert clears the air on the cat's eye jade debate in this deep-dive into nephrite jade geology.
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@RodneyCook-nd3yk 2 месяца назад

We just received SEMs and XRF of our Blue Nephrite Cat's Eye. Thank you to George Mustoe. It is Dr. Mustoe's opinion that it is a true nephrite. His XRF confirms that the material is tremolite predominate, and the likely color comes from high levels of Nickel (don't tell DOD.) We will be posting the full report on our website (its on Linked-In for those who can't wait.)

@JewelsoftheTrade 2 месяца назад

Wow!!! Amazing!! Can’t wait to read the report. Thank you so much for sharing, Rodney! 🤩

@RodneyCook-nd3yk 2 месяца назад

We sent George a cat's eye specimen, a chatoyant specimen (not aligned), and an ordinary specimen (probably rind) from the mine. Some fascinating insights.

@RodneyCook-nd3yk 2 месяца назад

@@JewelsoftheTrade www.washingtonjade.com/Fully%20Guaranteed/GM_POORBOY_SEM_XRF_5-5-24.pdf Also available on the "Fully Guaranteed" page of the website.

@VanSaused Год назад

I do find it kind of weird how cats eye jade is one of the few rocks/minerals where it’s structure (cat’s eye being parallel instead of intertwined) effect why people in the gem world are reluctant to call these as nephrite whereas if a corundum, chrysoberyl, malachite, heck even petrified wood were to have this cats eye effect, we’ll still call it as such. Then again as you said, the structure of nephrite mostly containing actinolite, ferro-actinolite, and tremolite, + some other minerals is what makes nephrite notoriously difficult to break, whereas the areas where cats-eye has formed are more softer to cut and break through, which is probably only why people would just call this cats-eye actinolite instead. All in all I do agree that cats eye jade can still be called nephrite since it still retains similar hardness, just that much like potato chips; they can be baked or fried (or both) which can describe this situation perfectly, same ingredients, with different ways of cooking it. Also for future suggestion to discuss, how about discussing Vonsen Blue nephrite jade (and Dianite aka Russian Blue “jade”) since those 2 haven’t been discussed as much despite the demands for it going high since it’s source has been depleted alongside how Vonsen blue has high amounts of Titanium with Dianite being labelled as a close relative to nephrite due to it’s structure closely resembling it despite having entirely different minerals forming it.

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Hey I’m so glad you watched this video! Love that suggestion. I’m thinking of doing a video on rare stones that are called “jade” by the trade such as thulite, Turkish purple jade, dianite etc. If there are any other popular gemstones that fit in that category, I’d love to get your input!

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Also, that’s such a great observation about how other gemstones with chatoyancy aren’t under scrutiny for their nomenclature. It’s always great to read your comments!!

@VanSaused Год назад

@@JewelsoftheTrade No problem! The videos are always a delight to watch especially since these infos and specifics of some jade locales gives insight of why some are priced as such! As for suggestions of rare gemstones that are considered jade but aren’t (or are jade but are basically unheard of outside of a specific region) I’ll start with ones that are jade but aren’t well known outside of it’s origin country. Siberian Jadeite (since those can be confused with Guatemalan jadeite) and CAN come in other colors that isn’t just mottle green. Yellow Mouth Hetian Nephrite (黄口和田玉) is known in China for being very yellow due to iron oxides intruding into the jade for probably millions of years to achieve this vibrant egg yolky color. They’re mainly sourced in Ruoqiang, Qiemo, Qinghai, and Russia although Ruoqiang and Qiemo are more well known for producing the more high end pieces of yellow mouth jade. People have said it looks alot like a yellow Topaz carving due to how yellow it can get! Blue and White Nephrite (青花和田玉) is a misleading one since it looks nothing at all like blue 😂 but it’s nonetheless popular and relatively cheap type of Hetian jade as well, it has a similar look to the mottled grey jadeite (乌鸡翡翠 which translates to Black Chicken(Silkie) bone jade) that you and Kris from Mason Kay have discussed before and are sourced in Qinghai China and can range from completely black with specks of white (like black Wyoming nephrite) to a balance of white and black like an oreo! And finally Korean Nephrite + Japan’s jadeite sources since those aren’t talked about a whole bunch but have an interesting history especially for Japan’s usage for jade and how it’s basically picked off of the beach at one point, much like Wyoming and Big Sur almost!

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

You've never seen a video this in-depth on cat's eye jade before! I think Rodney and Nathaniel should join us again on the JOTT channel, but what do YOU think? Comment below any questions you have for Rodney and Nathaniel.

@AllisonFChan Год назад

Thanks for doing a show on Washington Jade's Cat's Eye Nephrite Jade 🙏 they have so much knowledge, it would be great to have them on your channel again. I bought a sample set of their jades last month & love them! ❤ thanks for teaching us new things about jade!

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Thank you for watching the video! So excited that you have some Washington jade for yourself! I’m hoping to feature them on the channel again sometime soon 😁

@radiofreebangkok3941 9 месяцев назад

Great program. I learned a lot!

@lauradietrich7197 Год назад

This was wonderful 💚

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching!!

@CountZakula Год назад

LOVE THE SCIENCE ESPECIALLY THE STRUCTURE PICTURE.

@MadManVideoGame 7 месяцев назад

Awesome 👍

@breakeverychain7 9 месяцев назад

Who else would have this discussion? Great channel!

@JewelsoftheTrade 9 месяцев назад

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video 😊

@luceyliu4938 23 дня назад

very good video

@MTUnique Год назад

I've seen a lot of pieces from Washington Jade. However I need to get my hands on a slab or a chunk of rough so I can see how it feels when carving it

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

It’s really beautiful in person! Nathaniel is going to come back on the channel to discuss how to cut it in a way that shows off the cat’s eye effect. I think they sell rough on their Etsy 😊

@CountZakula Год назад

I have a few dozen cats eye jade beads around 8-10mm and one of them split perfectly in two, they're really fragile. Any tips on a good way to mount or string them? They're kinda an heirloom and I really want to do them justice. I'm debating having them mala knotted so they don't have adjacent pressure put on them .

@marckmenke 3 месяца назад

At this point, in both East and West, the word 'jade', without qualifiers, is a meaningless term. At the very least we need to distinguish between 'nephrite' and jadeite' every time we say the word 'jade'. but of course, there are also number of other interpretations that add complexity to the problem. Recall, that the word 'jade' is a Western (originally Spanish) word that likely was first used to refer to jadeite from the Americas. Later, it became complicated with the Chinese word 'yu' which refers to a number of valued, carvable stones including jadeite, and nephrite, but also saussurite (Dushan jade), serpentine/bowenite (Xiuyan Jade, etc.) and even turquoise. Even forms quartz (agates, jaspers. etc) and other similar stones (vesuvianite, grossular, etc.) would have often been considered as 'yu'. I don't mind either a broader or narrower definition of 'jade', but I do want all jade sold to always be linked to the rock type and mineral components to which it belongs. I also like how you clarify the difference between nephrite (a rock) and it's component minerals (tremolite and actinolite). It is worth mentioning that a similar situation exists in reverse with jadeite (a mineral) that occurs in the rock type, jadeitite. The rock, jadeitite, is mostly jadeite, but it can also include other minerals, such as omphacite and kosmochlor that you mention, as well as others.

@JewelsoftheTrade 3 месяца назад

Very well said!! 👏🏻 I think you would like my video about the jade nomenclature problem called Jade for Gemologists - Fei Cui Explained.

@Anubis7163 7 месяцев назад

More confused now after listening to those two guys talk. Obviously it's a much more complex subject than I thought. Please do a show solely on the blue jade from Siberia to which he referred. That sounds most intriguing. Blue is rarely found in nature, so I bet that stuff is both pricey and hard to get.

@VanthyChhim 18 дней назад

Confused. Maybe i need to rewatch and listen more carefully 😊

@fourwheelingforgems5940 Год назад

Yes, I like it.

@breakeverychain7 9 месяцев назад

The alignment will cause the area that is lit up to more easily break down.

@Anubis7163 7 месяцев назад

And do a separate show on the finest and most coveted Wyoming black jade.

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

una consulta un fósil se puede convertir en jade o serán algunas esculturas antiguas? le muestro unos videos y me dice si es jade,nefrita o que son ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QSfqbE1j878.html

@peteradams7629 Год назад

I have a small block of cat's eye jade and would very much like to know how to work this material. I made a cab out of a different pice of cat's eye jade but the rock split along the crystals. Any suggestions on how to work this material?

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Hi Peter! We’re dropping a video very soon that features advice on how to cab cats eye jade. Stay tuned!

@sarahcampbell6719 Год назад

I bought a lion and a dragon statue from China they claimed it to be white jade. It's milky with a little green here and there. It's really heavy. Definitely a real stone. But I got it extremely cheap. What else could it be n though?

@MTUnique Год назад

I live right around Seattle. I'm dying to know where these deposits are.

@washingtonjade3974 Год назад

All of our claims are within the Devil's Mountain Fault Zone (which extends out into Puget Sound from a bit east of Darrington). There are multiple jade-producing locations around the area with widely varying levels of accessibility, but if you're looking for a recreational jade collecting location, Walker Valley and Deer Creek are both good places to look into.

@MTUnique Год назад

@@washingtonjade3974 thank you so much. I'm always excited to find a resource

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

@@washingtonjade3974 Another commenter on this video asked what the hardness is of cat’s eye jade. I know you mentioned in the video that a single stone can have varying hardness, so I was wondering if you could kindly explain where cat’s eye jade is represented on the Moh’s Hardness Scale 😁

@washingtonjade3974 Год назад

@@JewelsoftheTrade I happened to have a few pieces of polished rough lying around, so I just took the hardness points to one of them. Before I start, I'll just mention that hardness testing is in many ways as much an art as a science as it can be very difficult to control for factors not directly related to hardness, and this was far from a perfectly controlled test. That said, the piece I tested was a mid-high grade aligned blue chatoyant nephrite with several sections of high grade blue cat's eye jade contained within. A 6 hardness point did not produce scratches anywhere on the piece (except for *maybe* on one little green oxidized section). A 7 hardness point scratched the "eye-facing" axis of the main cat's eye jade section as well as the "dark-facing" axis of a similar grade of material on one end (though this section was oxidized to green as well, which could have influenced this result). This would suggest that the total hardness for any of the various fiber orientations should still be between 6 and 7 (6.5 is generally considered the standard for good-quality, non-chatoyant nephrite). However, I also noticed that the 7 *stopped* scratching when it strayed outside of the section of cat's eye jade that showed "eye flash," so it is distinctly possible that the hardness of the "dark-facing" axis in unoxidized pieces ranges above 7. tl;dr -- based on rough testing, good-quality blue cat's eye jade from Washington Jade's claims ranges in mohs hardness from 6-7, possibly higher.

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

@@washingtonjade3974 That is VERY helpful! Thank you so much!!

@beckokali1787 Год назад

Please ma'am, lecture on the topic about white jade

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Hi there! We’re actually dropping an interview soon with Andrew Shaw, China-based jade carver and author of “Jade Life.” In that upcoming video, Andrew discusses white jade at length, so keep an eye out! 😊

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

al tacto se siente como tocar una tela muy suave

@ann48luv79 2 месяца назад

Jade not jade, as long as the stone i wear brings happiness to me its enough❤

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

es policristalina porque al mirar con lupa se pueden ver cristales como una telaraña una red

@gunpla1981 Год назад

I have a round beads bracelets of cat eye nephrite. They look magnificent in the daylight.❤ it. Recommend it.

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

That sounds amazing! I hope you wear it often! 🤩

@Matheshwar538 Год назад

What is the Hardness of catseye jade?

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Great question! Nathaniel at Washington Jade actually commented a detailed answer on this video, but to sum up what he said: Good quality blue cat’s eye jade from Washington should be around 6-7 on the Moh’s hardness scale, possibly higher.

@BCFalls1 2 месяца назад

I love the science geeky stuff as I found a new discovery and am trying to ID if it is nephrite and the answer is all of the above some are black and white aligned crystals and color layers, others are totally green, some are blue green yet black as a rock, etc

@BCFalls1 2 месяца назад

some have chatoyancy and some have aventurescence and one has both

@BCFalls1 2 месяца назад

my formation has been dated to 4200yrs ago +/- 100 yrs.

@BCFalls1 2 месяца назад

also found natural damascus steel ferric and ferrous, flat smooth red layers fused with black bubbly layers, counted 20 layers under 10x

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

son muy duras y pesan el doble de una piedra de su tamaño o más

@user-eg7ue7yo2u Год назад

How i can boy this ?

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Talk to your local jeweler! 😊

@redandwhitefeatheredserpen1156 Год назад

Ridiculous, its strength is light play and beauty of that dance, what about a hot bath in liquid glass to seal the platelets? Besides it looks more a serpent's eye.

@shridharyamaha3607 Год назад

Iam in India I haw jade I colacte rivar haw iam sho u plz teel

@davidadams3750 Год назад

Where can I get some of these cat’s eye Jade?

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Your local jeweler can source cat’s eye jade from Washington Jade directly 😊 Washington Jade is a wholesale supplier in the US so any reputable jewelry store can order from them. I believe they also have some product available to the public via their Etsy shop, but I definitely recommend talking to a jewelry store so that you can view a variety of stones in person before making your purchase. A jeweler can also help you mount the stone in a ring, pendant, earrings, etc.

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

son cabezas o cráneos con ojos y sus dientes, al pasar la lija se va descubriendo lo que esta debajo, fueron encontradas junto a fósiles de arboles y de animales opalizados como estos ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oTrfavA-Wkw.html

@hotbreakers94569 Год назад

🤯. For the sake of my head and understanding, Im going to just Sum up Jade as Nepherite and Jadeite, anything else is a fancy faux paux name ,I just see this Cats Eye jade as Cats Eye.

@JewelsoftheTrade Год назад

Hahaha, the cat’s eye jade in this video is nephrite. “Cat’s Eye Jade” is just a controversial term. Yes - Nephrite Jade and Jadeite Jade are “the two jades.” There are types of nephrite (like the one in this video) and types of jadeite jade (like omphacite jade and kosmochlor jade, etc)

@RodneyCook-nd3yk 2 месяца назад

When using the term Cat's Eye on its own, the trade is usually referring to Chrysoberyl.

@breakeverychain7 9 месяцев назад

My nephrite cassier jade has chromium spots and some tiny chatoyancy

@user-nc1ze3hj4h 5 месяцев назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RegFm_iQs4k.html