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In this video Justin and Austin talk about the (Special) Naval Landing Forces of the Imperial Japanese Navy. It discusses the often brought up comparison with Marines like the US and Royal Marines and how valid or invalid this comparison is. Additionally, they look at the development of Naval Landing Forces, their combat performance, actions in Shanghai and before the Second World War among many other aspects.
For more information check out Austin's website: en.rikusentai.net
Austin on twitter: / adachi_austin_
Justin on twitter: / cbi_pto_history
More infos in the sources below.
All photos from Austin Adachi's collection. Colorization of the cover by vonKickass.
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Adachi, Austin: Rikusentai - The illustrated Encyclopedia of Japanese Naval Landing Forces 1927-1945
History of Japanese Naval Landing Forces, Yamaguchi Kiyomatsu - dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1...
Weekly Intel Vol 1 #13 October 6, 1944 - dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/4...
Kure 3rd SNLF Organizational Chart, 1942 (1) - JACAR ref. C08030773900
Kaigun rakkasan butai (Japanese Navy Paratroopers), Yamabe Masao - ISBN 4875651198
Senshi Sosho Volume 31, National Institute of Defense
Infantry Reference Manual, Naval Gunnery School Department - dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/1...
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#JapaneseMarines,#SpecialNavalLandingForces,#NavalLandingForces
00:00 Introduction
00:56 When did the Imperial Navy form Naval Landing Forces? Why? (Can go into more detail on the short-lived Japanese marines if you have any info.)
01:56 Does that mean that it is incorrect to refer to Naval Landing Forces as “Japanese Marines,” as is commonly done in English? (You can dig a bit more into this as well, if you have any interesting quotes or examples related to how they were referring to themselves, how you have seen English works refer to them, etc.)
02:50 What were the differences between what we think of as “marines” (e.g. Royal Marines, USMC) in the English-speaking world versus the Naval Landing Forces? What were the Naval Landing Forces at this early stage (19th century, into the early 20th)?
06:20 How much infantry training did sailors receive? Did they have refreshers as part of their regular training aboard ship?
08:02 When an operational need to form a Naval Landing Force was identified, how were the sailors picked from ships to form the Naval Landing Force? Drawing lots? Just pulling crewman who happened to be idle at that time? Perhaps certain positions aboard ship earmarked for it? Or was there some kind of planning in advance that Seaman Adachi was on the ship’s list to be deployed in a Naval Landing Force if needed?
09:03 What did the Naval Landing Forces do in the various early conflicts fought by Imperial Japan (i.e. First Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Siberian Intervention, First World War, etc.)? What were their peacetime duties?
10:36 Performance in the wars?
11:19 peace time duties
11:39 When did the famous (relatively speaking) Special Naval Landing Forces appear, what were they, and why were they formed? What made them “special?”
12:59 What was the combat role of the Naval Landing Forces in the 1932 Battle of Shanghai?
15:02 how established were the SNLF by 1932?
15:59 What noteworthy organizational changes occurred to SNLFs from their creation through to 1941?
19:05 What combat roles did the Naval Landing Forces undertake in the Second Sino-Japanese War up to 1941?
20:34 Where do naval paratroopers and raider units fit into the SNLF?
23:32 What may come as a surprise to some viewers is that the SNLF, while the most famous of the Naval Landing Forces, were far from the only type of unit employed by the Imperial Navy. What were some examples of other Naval Landing Forces? Were some types of units more influential/important than others in your opinion?
26:36. Can the term “elite” or at least “well-trained” be applied to the Naval Landing Forces? Some English-language works are quite dismissive of their capability, writing them off as little more than poorly-to-adequately trained “armed sailors.” Was this something that varied greatly between individual units or categories of Naval Landing Forces?

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@justinpyke1756
@justinpyke1756 2 года назад
Hey Everyone, I hope you all enjoyed this chat! Given we are introducing 74 years of history there are plenty of topics we only cover briefly. You can reply to this comment letting us know what Japanese Naval Landing Forces topic you would like to hear more about. If several people want to hear about a similar topic (e.g. the role of Naval Landing Forces in the 1932 Battle of Shanghai), Austin and I could record a video going into more depth. BEFORE YOU COMMENT please note that there is a second part already coming that covers the Naval Landing Forces in the Second World War at roughly the same level of detail as this video.
@TheSgruby
@TheSgruby 2 года назад
Did IJN raised more ground troops in order to lessen reliance on Army units? Did February 26 Incident have something with that? Maybe Tarawa will be good topic for dedicated video? Especially when when the battle is often portrayed as US Marines vs Japanese Marines.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 2 года назад
I would like to know more about their actions in WW2 and tactics in detail, please.
@1983jarc
@1983jarc 2 года назад
Mr. Katz sounds a lot like Mr. Pyke on this video...😁
@vandenberg298
@vandenberg298 2 года назад
I would-be like more about the campaign of the Dutch-Indies 1941-1942
@Rohilla313
@Rohilla313 2 года назад
This was very instructive, thanks. I’ve always been fascinated by these units and feel more needs to be known about them.
@shermanfirefly5410
@shermanfirefly5410 2 года назад
I remember the Japanese navy have designed their own tank, and the army built their own air craft carrier
@philvanderlaan5942
@philvanderlaan5942 2 года назад
Japanese Navy : we will utterly destroy our ultimate enemy, once the Army is defeated then we can dedicate ourselves to defeat the American Navy.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
because why not ;) I mean they technically had unlimited natural resources and manpower... oh wait.
@looinrims
@looinrims 2 года назад
Look I get japan wasn’t exactly the industrial big shot they are now but like We really missed out on the IJN making a flat top with tanks on it for shore support
@philvanderlaan5942
@philvanderlaan5942 2 года назад
@@looinrims that’s easy you take a liberty ship and put a dozen Sherman’s on the upper deck and you are ready to take on the might of the Kriegsmarine . The Japanese were just to rigid and inflexible to go ahead and try it.
@sumotony
@sumotony 2 года назад
Pardon for cross posting but Drach has just done a video on IJA vessels ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mZ9AFbnY4To.html&ab_channel=Drachinifel
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 2 года назад
At last the IJN can land forces to face their prime enemy... the IJA
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
lol
@andrewmack191
@andrewmack191 2 года назад
A company sized unit, heavily armed with SMGs deploying by submarine! You've peaked my interest.
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 2 года назад
An important reason for assigning gunnery officers to naval infantry was the gunnery officers' skill in directing naval gunfire. Put a signals sailor in the landing party too so that the gunnery officer can relay the call for fire and then adjust the fire. Naval infantry "heavy artillery" was limited in caliber and ammunition supply. Even destroyers provided bigger guns with more shells. The limit was how far inland the shipboard guns could reach--then there was the issue of communications.
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 2 года назад
My issue with Marines is that because the US uses Marines almost on par with Army even in the 1940's that everyone assumes everyone else Marines are used as infantry rather than the intended use of armed security for the fleet.
@looinrims
@looinrims 2 года назад
I won’t lie growing up as an American I just assumed every nation’s marines were a large force like their armies Boy was I wrong
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 2 года назад
@@looinrims the US Marines are *TINY* compared to the Army, and always has been.
@looinrims
@looinrims 2 года назад
@@RonJohn63 no one said they weren’t? But the marines are still huge in america
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 2 года назад
@@RonJohn63 4 division historically and the DoD announced they want a 5th.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 2 года назад
@@looinrims sure you said the US Marines are "a large force like their arm(y)". The USMC (including Reserves) are 1/5 the size of the the Army (which includes the Reserves and NG).
@Eulemunin
@Eulemunin 2 года назад
Very well done, thank you all for find and introducing us to all these experts.
@alex123castro
@alex123castro 2 года назад
Great video and very informative. Never really thought / realized how different the naval landing force could be. Thanks for the content!
@nomoregiuseppes4309
@nomoregiuseppes4309 2 года назад
Actually answered a lot of questions I happened to have, many thanks Justin and Austin!
@Punisher9419
@Punisher9419 2 года назад
Would love to see a vide on the Soviet Invasion of Manchuria. It never gets much coverage even though it was such a massive and highly successful operation.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
might happen at one point
@thepeoplessneeder8108
@thepeoplessneeder8108 2 года назад
@N Fels You do realise the kwangtung army was one of the best equipped parts of the japanese army with massive investment
@jerryle379
@jerryle379 2 года назад
@@thepeoplessneeder8108 by 45 nope
@xcalibrx1653
@xcalibrx1653 2 года назад
The People's Sneeder you fail to see how they pulled out their competent troops and heavy equipment by 45 to use in other places
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 2 года назад
I second this. I've never learned about it and would love to gain a framework for my own research through this video channel.
@markaxworthy2508
@markaxworthy2508 2 года назад
Another expert exposition reinforcing this series' high reputation. thanks.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
thank you, are you the author of Third Axis Fourth Ally: Romanian Armed Forces in the European War, 1941-1945?
@LibertarianUSA1982
@LibertarianUSA1982 2 года назад
My Dislexia kicked in and I read "Marines are just sailors with rifles." I was getting ready to write a response filled with curse words and threats. Good thing I reread the title before commenting.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
lol, beware of angry Devil Dogs ;)
@TonyLS9A
@TonyLS9A 2 года назад
Great info. I often wondered about the true capabilities of the SNLF. Thanks.
@whiskeytangosierra6
@whiskeytangosierra6 2 года назад
I especially enjoy these presentations on the more obscure aspects of military services. These comprise a part of the reasons I love the internet, and I am old enough to remember having to find things in a card reference or book appendix then ordering books through the library lending services, which sometimes took months to supply one's needs.
@whbrown1862
@whbrown1862 2 года назад
Sounds like another aspect of the Japanese Army - Navy feud before and during the Second World War. I saw a recent video from Drachinifel (sic) on the Japanese Army naval forces. Makes you wonder what they could have done if they worked together instead of against each other.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
that would be an interesting aspect to dig in, although considering the limitations of the Japanese, it might have limited influence, but hard to tell.
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 2 года назад
All this feud stemmed from Satsuma Rebellion?
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 2 года назад
@@Joshua_N-A the army and navy officer corps did loosely recruit along the previously existing tribal lines. Exacerbating the rivalry
@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020
@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 Месяц назад
They have a one time collaboration if I remember it correctly. After retrieving an advance centrimetric radars from a downed US plane, both the Japanese navy and Japanese army engineers made a collaborated effort in reverse engineering the said radar equipment.
@brunol.8608
@brunol.8608 2 года назад
Awesome stuff. Thanks so much, this was very insightful.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 2 года назад
i have read WW2 hostory all my life and never heard/saw such a good summary of the topic. I will look up Austin's website.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
thank you!
@zebradun7407
@zebradun7407 2 года назад
All Capitol Ships at one time had Naval Landing forces, usually Gunners and weapons sailors. It had at it's core a Marine Landing force usually one Plt to three Naval Plt's. Many smaller ships had landing parties usually Shore patrol up to a dock security by Master at arms. Even up to the late 70's yet they were never used.
@zulubeatz1
@zulubeatz1 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this talk. Fascinating subject as i am finding the WW2 Japanese Military increasingly interesting . Thanks
@josten8044
@josten8044 2 года назад
This one one of my favorite subjects of Japanese military history, I was hoping one day an ultra-short video on the topic would be released! I'm assuming the second part will cover discuss how the Army and Navy cooperated on land engagements; like how a garrison commander worked with the commander of the naval troops.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
we will see ;) likely there will be more than one more video :)
@kushanblackrazor6614
@kushanblackrazor6614 2 года назад
I love anytime you get Justin on here.
@ThrowawayModeller
@ThrowawayModeller 2 года назад
The fact that Austin is only 22 y.o. makes me want to rethink some of my life strategies
@xcalibrx1653
@xcalibrx1653 2 года назад
You gotta wake up at 5am everyday and have beans for breakfast, lunch, and dinner
@CostaCola
@CostaCola 2 года назад
Your fursona is cute
@joeavent5554
@joeavent5554 2 года назад
Enjoyed the SNLF segment. Please consider discussing the book "Kempeitai, Japan's Dreaded Military Police." Author is Raymond Lamont-Brown. Thanks
@johnlansing2902
@johnlansing2902 2 года назад
Again I have learned a great deal . Thank you.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
Great to hear!
@AtomicPeacenik
@AtomicPeacenik 2 года назад
Everybody go buy Austin’s book it’s a great read!
@bagobones9891
@bagobones9891 2 года назад
Where can I find it
@Sneakleak96
@Sneakleak96 2 года назад
If you go to his twitter, thats linked in the description, he has an amazon link to the book in question pinned at the top.
@primastanislaus9184
@primastanislaus9184 2 года назад
My grandfather were in the Rikusentai that lands all over Indonesia then serve under Tadashi Maeda on Java, he was actually loved by the people there and married my grandmother after participating in both Dutch Agresssion War since he and some of his brothers in arms decided to stay and help liberate Asian from European control. Even during the tragedy that is '98 in Indonesia the family house in Surakarta got spared because he flies both Merah Putih and Hinomaru, as the story told by my grandmother goes even the people drove away the looters saying that it's the house of an independence war hero and not the house of a Chinese (since '98 mobs targets Chinese).
@Kevin-fj5oe
@Kevin-fj5oe 2 года назад
That's awesome
@RayshiaRoman
@RayshiaRoman 2 года назад
Huh, keren juga
@primastanislaus9184
@primastanislaus9184 2 года назад
@@Kevin-fj5oe Thanks, tho my grandfather passed away a decade-ish ago his teachings of discipline I still practice today.
@whya2ndaccount
@whya2ndaccount 2 года назад
Very good discussion, but one very minor point if I can. Usually both "Corps" (USMC, Armoured Corps, XXX, etc.) and "Core" (apple, etc.) are both pronounced as "core" (i.e. silent "p"). :)
@erikawhelan4673
@erikawhelan4673 2 года назад
Thank you. That drives me up a wall. As does pronouncing cache like cachet.
@chadrowe8452
@chadrowe8452 2 года назад
Even Obama made that mistake
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 2 года назад
Was just about to make that correction, thank you for doing it for me.
@mikearmstrong8483
@mikearmstrong8483 2 года назад
One would think that an author of a book on military history would know better.
@justinpyke1756
@justinpyke1756 2 года назад
Thanks for politely pointing this out. I was aware while recording that Austin had mispronounced it, but he was doing great recording his first ever interview and I didn't want to throw him off his game by cutting him off over a nitpick. Mispronunciations happen sometimes, even to the smartest of people.
@my68mgb
@my68mgb 3 месяца назад
My grandfather served with the rikusentai in WW2 and from the stories I heard he carried a camera in Burma and the Andaman Islands. I’d love to know more about the role of recon units in the Rikusenkai
@martinithechobit
@martinithechobit 2 года назад
Damn 22 and very knowledge and professional.
@josephravu5039
@josephravu5039 2 года назад
Naval paratroopers! Learn something new everyday.
@looinrims
@looinrims 2 года назад
Hey it’s Justin again! Yay :D
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
:)
@ihcfn
@ihcfn 2 года назад
Who are you? What have you done with Bernhard?
@justinpyke1756
@justinpyke1756 2 года назад
I have Bernhard tied up in the basement where I'm force-feeding him nothing but salad greens and carrots.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
lol I didn't knew you had a sadistic side ;)
@ihcfn
@ihcfn 2 года назад
@@justinpyke1756 Lol, the salad greens and carrots is a bit harsh!
@binaway
@binaway 2 года назад
To make up the numbers on the WW1 western front excess RN sailors were sent there. They retained their RN ranks and pay and like the Royal Marines wore army type uniforms. The mostly fought alongside the Royal Marines in the 63rd (Royal Naval) Division.
@jamessnee7171
@jamessnee7171 2 года назад
My Father was a US Marine who served in the Pacific at Guam in 1944. He never said much about it but I remember he spoke of the Japanese Marines. He said that while the Japanese were a small people the Japanese Marines were all big six footers. He seemed to hold them in high regard. Now I'm sure this was not first hand knowledge but what was said among the Marines themselves and good example of what the average Marine thought back then.
@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020
@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 Месяц назад
Years ago, I remember reading one of the war book that mentioned about an instance when US marines did encounter six footer Japanese soldiers in some of pacific islands they invaded.
@asya9493
@asya9493 Год назад
Great video ! That pic at 04:00 is interesting. There are 31 sailors, 4 NCO's (same cap badge) and 1 Officer (sword). There are 4 light machine guns indicating 4 sections or squads of 7-8 men, or 3 of 9 men plus a platoon Sargent and a machine gun element as a support group (much more conventional and likely) and a medic. Does that tally with what you know about them ?
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
Thank you, ideally ask twitter.com/adachi_aus?s=21&t=goPmo0CSfw3swVXnHOAFSw
@kevinpascual
@kevinpascual 2 года назад
Fantastic overview! Who the hell disliked this?
@davidjacobs8558
@davidjacobs8558 2 года назад
Marines to Navy is like Dragoons to Cavalry.
@bobwong2995
@bobwong2995 2 года назад
More Justin :)))))))
@zulubeatz1
@zulubeatz1 2 года назад
It makes me wonder how much the effective running of the ship would be diminished by the loss of so many sailors? Especially after a heavy battle.
@stephanl1983
@stephanl1983 2 года назад
These Naval Landing Forces were in the beginning, formed when there was no potential threat by enemy naval forces. For example, the British Royal Navy, and other forces, had similar concepts. The Royal Navy had their Naval Brigades. They were formed as a kind of QRF, to support the Army in the colonies, and the Crimean War. Reinforcements from the British Islands needed several weeks or even months before they could arrive in Egypt, South Africa or India. And beside the Crimean War, the Royal Navy had no big naval engagements between the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the Outbreak of the Great War. The Naval Brigades were formed by the shios crews and Marines in the theater, the Marines were used as a kind of Light Infantry, the Sailors as Line Infantry or Artillery crews. They fought in the Opium Wars, the Crimean War, the Indian Mutiny, the Zulu War, both Boer Wars, the Mahdi Wars, the Boxer Uprising and other conflicts. The Germans also used this concept, during the Boxer Uprising and several uprisings in their African colonies, the Reichsmarine deployed contingents of Gun Boats or Light Cruisers to support the Schutztruppe in surpressing these uprisings. For example during the Herero Uprising in Deutsch-Südwest, todays Namibia, the crew of SMS Habicht were in Cape Town when they received a Telegram from Berlin, with order immediately return to Swakopmund and reinforce the Schutztruppe. Once they arrived in Swakopmund, they formed a landing party. Taking two of the ships Maxim guns, five 3,7cm Gatling gun and a rifle for each of the 54 men, including a surgein, with them. Some of the ships engine personal operates together with Raroad employees a locomotive, later upgraded to a kind of armoured teain by the use of railway tracks and railway sleepers, also to repair the tracks if needed.
@craighagenbruch3800
@craighagenbruch3800 2 года назад
I was watching a documentary few days ago and they mentioned about the mayla invasion how japanese army used a tactic called the scorpion manoeuvre? to over whelm the Australian devisions trying to block the advance. Were Japanese marines/adhoc infantry taught any manouvoures or tactics in particular or was the human wave the only option given?.
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 2 года назад
An informative video on a very obscure topic.
@mcmax571
@mcmax571 2 года назад
I have always thought that marines are a separate branch of a country's military and wear military uniforms and use military ranks and other nomenclature. While naval infantry such as the SNLF and Soviet Naval Infantry are branch of the Navy, use naval uniforms and ranks.
@comikdebris
@comikdebris 2 года назад
The real question I have is, Are the members of the Army servings on Army naval ships, soldiers or sailors?
@George_M_
@George_M_ 2 года назад
Can we get some counter narrative of how the Japanese army and navy *did* cooperate (when they did), and what some examples of cooperation success were?
@Guntank214
@Guntank214 2 года назад
Really interesting information and well presented. (I know it's a dialect thing, but listening to him pronounce the "s" in "corps" is like nails on a chalkboard)
@agilaeric1987
@agilaeric1987 2 года назад
Sadly the lack of training and logistics did not mean a lack in brutality against civilians and POWs.
@royprincipe
@royprincipe 2 года назад
True. Many of the massacres during the battle for Manila in February 1945 were perpetrated by these Special Naval Landing Forces under Admiral Iwabuchi.
@agilaeric1987
@agilaeric1987 2 года назад
@@royprincipe People forget the destruction of Manila by Japanese forces WAS PLANNED. It is well-documented that the Japanese had installed explosives, artillery and machine gun emplacements in key areas a month before the nightmare of February 1945.
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 2 года назад
I was sort of hoping for more on the Shanghai force in 1937... I'd have to imagine they were the best trained snlf in the army at the time.
@drinksnapple8997
@drinksnapple8997 2 года назад
The INJ SNLF did one thing well - die gallantly. After June 1942 they were not much of a headache for the Allied forces to decimate SNLF units.
@josten8044
@josten8044 2 года назад
It was only after the summer of 1942 did the Allies make any offensive, what other battles would there have been prior to June 1942 when the Allies attacked SNLF units? The SNLF at Milne Bay was beaten but many of the troops evacuated. I would say the 1943 battle of tarawa was a big headache for the Allies, taking over 3000 casualties to weed out the SNLF there.
@wargamingchina9174
@wargamingchina9174 2 года назад
No mention of Blue Jackets? The Japanese never broke the Chinese line in the January 28th incident, Chinese forces withdrew in good order during the night and the Japanese occupied those positions in the morning.The Chinese defence lines were along the Shanghai-Wusong line not the Shanghai -Nanking line. Thanks for your help with my own series of videos on the battle Austin,Im surely going to buy your book.Cheers
@Huben57
@Huben57 Год назад
yes, the 19th route army was extremely admirable.
@jmullner76
@jmullner76 2 года назад
Zero downvotes, as it should be.
@glenchen5723
@glenchen5723 2 года назад
Is Justin doing this episode because it’s focused on the Imperial Japanese in the Pacific? That’s pretty cool, since I’ve never seen this before on this channel.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
yeah, this was not the first time, but generally he has far more knowledge on the theater, forces, etc. and thus make better questions etc. meanwhile I can provide PTO content without spending too much time on it.
@glenchen5723
@glenchen5723 2 года назад
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized oh cool! I should dig through the videos I missed then. Both you and Justin are quite interesting to listen to present information about your respective fields of study.
@xcalibrx1653
@xcalibrx1653 2 года назад
CHADachi
@MagiciansApprentice1
@MagiciansApprentice1 2 года назад
Fascinating discussion - The Royal Navy had a small detachment of Royal Marines on board most vessels during the seventeenth -nineteenth centuries for security/sniping, but were supplemented by the crews for ad hic landing actions - watch the Hornblower tv series/read the novels. The Royal Marines were then used in bigger engagements as larger units BUT there current formation/usage of RM Commandoes only happened during WW2 due to the needs of the times. (The first commando units had been Army volunteers in 1940 - without any experience of small boats.)
@willa.568
@willa.568 2 года назад
Your first point applies to most navies of the world during that time. That is the origin of Marines, not an amphibious force.
@stephanl1983
@stephanl1983 2 года назад
Don't forget the Naval Division in WW1, it's three Brigades also included one Battalion of Royal Marines each.
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 2 года назад
@@stephanl1983 the naval division in ww1 is a weird exception though.
@stephanl1983
@stephanl1983 2 года назад
@@lovablesnowman of course, but what's about the British Naval Brigades during the 19th century?! Very similar to the concept of the Special Naval Landing Forces.
@tjanders
@tjanders 2 года назад
Referring to a Hollywood movie for historical accuracy is laughable.
@Raul_Menendez
@Raul_Menendez 2 года назад
USMC: Soldiers who happened to be sailors. RM: Special Forces who happened to be sailors.
@Bochi42
@Bochi42 2 года назад
Very interesting and thorough video! One tip though corps is pronounced /kôr/
@michaelcollins7896
@michaelcollins7896 3 месяца назад
Austin's a foremost expert!
@stephanl1983
@stephanl1983 2 года назад
So the IJN copied the idea of the British Naval Brigades. The Royal Navy deployed Sailors and Marines from their shios in the theater, as a kind of QRF to support the Army in fighting in the colonies, and also during the Crimean War. The Royal Marines would act as a kind of Light Infantry, while the Sailors fight as Line Infantry and Artillery crews (the Batteries of the Royal Marine Artillery were all based in the UK). In WW1 the Royal Navy deployed the Naval Division to fight in France, this Division had 3 Brigades. Each Brigade was composed of one Battalion of Royal Marines from the Marine Garrisons in Great Britain, and two Battalions of Sailors that weren't part of a ships crew.
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 2 года назад
All I read they were just armed sailor units more for guard duty then infantry, not 1st class men or officers
@lionl4343
@lionl4343 2 года назад
My Grandfather actually fought against the Japanese during WWII, specific the Japanese Marines. He described these marines to my father, of whome repeated what he said to me. The description was "These guys were Fucking Huge."
@bigmike9128
@bigmike9128 2 года назад
So started out as sailors with rifles but evolved to become closer to marines.
@birgerjohansson8010
@birgerjohansson8010 2 года назад
One historical detail about the IJN "marines" that may have been overlooked is their role in the atrocities towards the civilians during the battle of Manila 1944. Most of the Japanese during the later phase of the fighting were soldiers of the IJN, left to fight to the death. As defeat became inevitable their cruelty to the civilian population reached a crescendo of rape and murder. This suggests that the culture of casual cruelty was as ingrained in the IJN as in the IJA. And/or that these IJN soldiers were poorly disiplined reservists that degenerated into a rabble.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
From the little I know it very likely was ingrained.
@garyrogers6761
@garyrogers6761 2 года назад
Would like to hear about the atrocities committed against their military enemies and the civilians who happened to get in their way in places like New Guinea and Rabaul etc. as the Australians wanted more of them to face trial for their crimes but were 'dissuaded' by the Americans {macarthur} from pushing too hard ? Milne Bay people have some particularly 'fond' memories of the savagery of these units and they were only there for a short time.
@Jakal-pw8yq
@Jakal-pw8yq 2 года назад
My mother in law was an Aussie war bride from Melbourne and she told me of the fear and hatred of the Japanese during WWII. She had a cousin that was a Digger and was eventually a pow. He was put aboard a hellship with hundreds of other Allied pows and put to sea where the Japanese torpedoed the ship killing all onboard. My father fought in the Pacific, US Navy and nothing Japanese was tolerated in our home. I get it but did not share my parents feelings as my best friend was Japanese. All the best from America!
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 2 года назад
*Corps is pronounced in English as ''CORE'' -- a loan word from the French, and retains the silent S. Corpse is a dead body.
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 2 года назад
English is weird.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 2 года назад
@@trauko1388 English shares many similarities with creole (not French Creole) languages, since Middle English simplified the grammar, and half it's words are of French (from Latin) origin, with many others directly from Latin, Greek, Spanish, Hindu, etc.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
we knew that one would come up :D
@blorblor5438
@blorblor5438 2 года назад
the french loaned it from latin "corpus" so one could argue both the french and you are wrong...
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 2 года назад
@Mialisus Maybe it is because all colonels are assholes? XD But yeah, French spelling, Spanish pronunciation...
@cavscout888
@cavscout888 2 года назад
Huh. So they were the 'special type' destroyers (Booky Class) of the land forces.
@bghyst
@bghyst 4 месяца назад
Someone tell this guy “corps” does not equal “corpse”
@rafaelrodrigopachecodasilv8150
@rafaelrodrigopachecodasilv8150 2 года назад
In the battle o shanghai they desempended a major role. Hold on the ground, while waiting reinforces from japan and another colonies.
@thedamnyankee1
@thedamnyankee1 2 года назад
@4:00 why is George Bush in the Japanese naval landing force? (front row, 4th from right)
@christianchristiansen1471
@christianchristiansen1471 2 года назад
its called naval infantry
@dewittbourchier7169
@dewittbourchier7169 2 года назад
I think the Battle of Tarawa shows that Japanese Naval Landing Forces/Japanese Marines were very good soldiers and deserve to be regarded as dedicated professionals who fought hard for their service and their country. Their only defect was, as with all Japanese forces, not surrendering when out of water and out of ammunition. Senseless sacrifice is not bravery - it is a very perverse narcissism.
@goforbroke4428
@goforbroke4428 2 года назад
What would they have contributed as pows?
@dewittbourchier7169
@dewittbourchier7169 2 года назад
@@goforbroke4428 Being alive, going home to their families, contributing to post-war reconstruction, marrying, having children, raising families, contributing a bit of joy in another person's life.
@goforbroke4428
@goforbroke4428 2 года назад
@@dewittbourchier7169 well if that’s how that works, we might as well never stand up for anything.
@gasmonkey1000
@gasmonkey1000 2 года назад
If we're talking about IJN Landing Forces, I prefer to call them "Vile Toads." Much different than the "Degenerate Goblins," though one would be forgiven given their similar appearance and actions in Manila and Nanjing respectively.
@stumcfadzen5645
@stumcfadzen5645 2 года назад
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't corps pronounced kawrz; kohrz and not "corpse". I always thought the p was silent.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
yes, it is silent.
@stumcfadzen5645
@stumcfadzen5645 2 года назад
​@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized In retrospect, we regret commenting on such a trivial aspect. Thank you and all the contributing guests for all your hard work. Otherwise we would be stuck watching the (made-up) History Channel.
@kennethknoppik5408
@kennethknoppik5408 2 года назад
Is there really a difference?
@herbertsmagon5777
@herbertsmagon5777 2 года назад
Banzai!
@MooShaka89
@MooShaka89 2 года назад
It triggers me when I hear Corps pronounced as corpse.
@willythemailboy2
@willythemailboy2 2 года назад
At least I'm not the only one shuddering every time it comes up.
@bruceleealmighty
@bruceleealmighty 2 года назад
I'm retired Army and can't stand it either.
@KMN-bg3yu
@KMN-bg3yu 2 года назад
Thank you, this is a great tutorial but for the love of Jesus stop pronouncing the "p" on corps
@JohnSmith-zk8xp
@JohnSmith-zk8xp 2 года назад
Want to know the difference between a marine and a soldier? One is wet, the other is just dirty.
@mnk9073
@mnk9073 2 года назад
So, how do you make Marines? USMC: "Forging specially selected soldiers into an elite cadre throug rigorous training." IJN: "Uhm, round up every sailor you don't immediately need to run the ship, hand them a rifle and ferry them to the beach. Duh." ... IJN: "Weird, it appears we're losing for some reason."
@aww2historian
@aww2historian 2 года назад
can of worms indeed
@JimFortune
@JimFortune 2 года назад
Corps, not Corpse.
@warmonger82
@warmonger82 2 года назад
God... THANK YOU. Former US Marine here, it was like nails on a blackboard... CORPSE CORPSE CORPSE
@mikespike3962
@mikespike3962 2 года назад
Is it a Canadian speaking habit to pronounce corps as "corpse" and not "core"? I'm not being critical I'm just curious.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
not as far as we know.
@Don-ds3dy
@Don-ds3dy 2 года назад
Lol, sea men...
@TheManOWrath
@TheManOWrath 6 месяцев назад
Why did you call it 'Marine Corpse'? 😬🤢
@darkjudge8786
@darkjudge8786 2 года назад
Am a bit annoyed with grouping the entire west in terms of marine forces. The US is a complete outlier in terms of separate marine forces apart from their puppet allies like Korea and the Philippines during the 20th century to today. The Royal Marines are commandos. Similar forces in Canada, Australia and Western Europe are commandos. Only US politics and Army-Navy rivalry keeps this second army commanded by the Navy concept alive. Maybe it was the best choice, the US generally wins. But outside the Pacific theatre in WW2 it just makes no sense to have Navy controlled divisions of soldiers with their own airforce when you have an actual Army and Airforce. The USMC is full of brave heroes but they shouldn't exist. The waste in material, lives and command confusion is appalling. Thats why no-one else does it.
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
> Only US politics and Army-Navy rivalry keeps this second army commanded by the Navy concept alive. The USMC is a branch of its own, administratively it is attached to the US Navy. (As far as I know this was different in WW2.) Considering US foreign policy etc. the US Marine Corps makes actually quite some sense, since it is a branch that is mostly concerned with attacking / taking the fight to the enemy and the US needs to cross in most cases an ocean to fight an enemy.
@carebear8762
@carebear8762 2 года назад
Why are you rehashing petulant Army gripes from decades ago?
@gerardlabelle9626
@gerardlabelle9626 2 года назад
“Puppet allies” has that old-fashioned, ritualistic Warsaw Pact tone.
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 2 года назад
Nothing wrong with a Navy having its own army... and THAT army having its own air force and navy... and THAT navy having its own air force... The Matryoshka of armed forces!!! XD
@carebear8762
@carebear8762 2 года назад
@@trauko1388 It's turtles all the way down.
@sattwiksantra97
@sattwiksantra97 2 года назад
CAN 10 PANZER COMPETE WITH 1 T90 TANK IN WAR .
@blueshark4926
@blueshark4926 2 года назад
no
@penultimateh766
@penultimateh766 2 года назад
You may want to coach your guest that the word "corps" is pronounced "core" in English.
@Adiscretefirm
@Adiscretefirm 2 года назад
Thank you
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 2 года назад
you should see it the other way, Austin adapted so well to the channel already, he unintentionally made pronunciation errors.
@carebear8762
@carebear8762 2 года назад
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized As the saying goes, "When in Central Europe, do as the Central Europeans do."
@covertops19Z
@covertops19Z 5 месяцев назад
You kinda lost my interest when you pronounced Corps as Corpse. Good😮‍💨😞 Lord.
@Sirilere
@Sirilere 2 года назад
He would be easier to take more seriously if he actually learned how to pronounce the word "Corps." Sounds as "Core." A "corpse" is a dead body... although for the majority of the Japanese SNLF troops, that did turn out to be their final outcome.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 года назад
In german language Korps is spoken Korps, and the creator of this channel is Austrian ( german language).
@Sirilere
@Sirilere 2 года назад
@@brittakriep2938 Then he should of done the interview in German to speak the word as he did. In English, the 'p' is silent.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 года назад
@@Sirilere : The comment was not intended being serious.
@sheldoniusRex
@sheldoniusRex 2 года назад
*CoRpSe*
@TheLoyalOfficer
@TheLoyalOfficer 2 года назад
Marine corpse? Come on dude.
@Deridus
@Deridus 2 года назад
Marine corpse? You mean, friendly casualty...
@kaji4257
@kaji4257 2 года назад
rah
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 года назад
The creator of this channel is an Austrian. In german language Korps is spoken Korps. So the Afrikakorps is spoken Afrikakorps, not Afrikakohr or Afrikachor ( bis would be Africa choir. In my homeregion elderly people use ,Kohr" as an outdated term for people in US called ,white trash'.
@TheLoyalOfficer
@TheLoyalOfficer 2 года назад
@@brittakriep2938 Yeah but the dude is speaking English, and he's Canadian anyway. It sounds awful, and will get you beaten down at Paris Island... The last thing you want to call a Marine is a dead body.
@TheLoyalOfficer
@TheLoyalOfficer 2 года назад
@@brittakriep2938 And also, according to Google translate, you are wrong. The German pronunciation for Korps is "core". Is Google translate wrong now too? Lame.
@Hooibeest2D
@Hooibeest2D 2 года назад
Marines isn't an English word it's Dutch. They invented it before invading England in 1667. That's how the English learned about the concept of marines. So it's actually a Dutch word. Same goes for commandos, comes from the South African Boer wars. Originates from the Dutch kommando, Just saying 😉
@palibrae
@palibrae 2 года назад
"Corpse" costs you a lot of credibility. Never, ever make that mistake again.
@weebtrash944
@weebtrash944 2 года назад
You're going to disregard all this because someone pronounces a word differently?
@AceDupuy
@AceDupuy 2 года назад
@@weebtrash944 This isn't tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. Pronouncing corps like corpse is objectively wrong.
@weebtrash944
@weebtrash944 2 года назад
@@AceDupuy it doesn't make literally everything he says not credible... Adachi is a pretty intelligent dude.
@AceDupuy
@AceDupuy 2 года назад
@@weebtrash944 I didn't say it made him less credible. The problem is hearing someone repeatedly mispronounce a word is very annoying.
@weebtrash944
@weebtrash944 2 года назад
@@AceDupuy well most people are disregarding everything he says because he mispronounced one word. I didn't even know that it's pronounced "core" and not "corpse" until this vid tbh. In German we just day "korps" as "corpse"
@joerogers6043
@joerogers6043 2 года назад
I dont trust anything this kid says because he dosen't know how to pronounce corps
@weebtrash944
@weebtrash944 2 года назад
So you dont have thousands of dollars worth of source material but you're still more credible because you know how to say corps. Alright makes sense
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 2 года назад
In german Korps is spoken Korps. Answers only in 100% correct high german.
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