JavaScript for the Haters 

The call site, my fella.

yooo virbox im a huge fan of your videos keep up the great work

@@iuseflare hi, thank you 😊

This mean this

@@muhammadksatriaakbarariend8684 but what's *this* ?

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I feel that people are just hating js because others hate it, and not because they think it's bad, even the non js devs are hating on it for absolutely no reason.

Yeah! I am JS developer and waiting for this video!

Yoooooo

@@somebody_2837 no, its just a bad language, it was not designed to be used this extensively

that's exactly what my teacher says in every class 🤣🤣🤣

That's why you should study js by urself reading specs

If you listen closely, you can hear the faint screams from inside the tutor's braincase ...

too relatable that it hurts.

I had the same issue

languagesEverCreated.some(lang => isJavaScript(lang)) // ⇒ true Checks out!

I see what you did there 😄😄

Definitely

It is one of the languages of all time If i had to rate it out of 10 i would rate it a number

@@dontreadmyusername6787 and I would rate it out of 10

The JS type system's biggest fault is trying to help you do things you didn't know you intended, mostly by casting everything to a string. It's like editing a word document, but Clippy has sudo privileges over your filesystem now.

@@i_should_be_coding Yeah wtf were they thinking? "let's make 0 == "0" for when the programmer forgot to remove the quotation marks, so he doesn't get an error and have to debug his code" lmao

@@Merthalophor and so we have === for type checking

@@Merthalophor i think the reason was for user input to work better, as in: they type a number, the program would think it is a string, but the programmer would want to compare it to a number.

It's like a monkey with a machine gun. You can't really blame the monkey for the small genocide it commits every time it wants to pass arguments to a function which is also an object because everything is an object.

* cries in JavaScript *

@Dr. Gregory House the answer is yes.

If you don't hate JS at least partially after using it, you haven't used it thoroughly yet.

Sadly, you don't have to code in it to suffer from it

i dont hate js, i hate ms

It's more equally equal.

No other language has this because '==' in those languages is testing for equality but '==' in JS... isn't. Because it's "Like Java but for r*tards."

"They are all equal…… but some are more equal than others."

apparently it's not enough. I took at look at react a few years back, think it was around version 15/16. threw together a oneliner that walked the dep tree of a fresh 'new' react app (at a casual 200 mb), and counted duplicated libraries. the winner was an equality checker lib, at 19 duplicates

@@dotanuki3371 wtf really? what do you need 19 duplicates for!?!?!

No, he said it puts food on his family.

He also said he loves programming with it.

yeah but he said it like he's being held hostage@@r.y.z.

@@monkey_gamer_001 that's just his voice

All these new coders only in it for the money are so cringe. Like it genuinely makes me happy knowing all of you will fail and remain broke forever

Have you tried dart? it feels like the most elegant amalgamation of both. truly a beautiful language. Unfortunately only has a community for flutter.

@@st-jn2gk I've been looking forward to try Flutter but never looked into Dart's syntax and features. Thanks for suggestion, would definitely try it out soon!

Tru

Popular opinion*

@@st-jn2gk Dart is so amazing

You mean moment.js?

@@oktavic777 lmao

When React hooks started to gain popularity, I joked that JS devs don't want half of JS (the object-oriented parts). Now, with the popularity of TypeScript, I feel like most JS devs don't want JS at all.

Moment gives me PTSD.

Nah .. I am sad about some stupid $#!@ in JS but overall I am ok with the lang .. BUT I hate more and more other BASE tech. - its so bad design .. CSS and HTML, and request/response and like those uses kebab case, html comments are so stupidly bad it's not evem funny etc.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

笑死了

Where did the semicolons get inserted?

@@Lexaire nowhere because JavaScript doesn't require them

What the fuuuuuuuuuukkk

Cool, now explain 2 - "2" = 0 and 2 + "2" = 22

@@dantnad type coercion, ints and strings have different definitions for the + operand so javascript converts a string to an int or vice-versa

If you add food and family it equals dinner table in JS

For those who don't know, that's actually a quote from George Bush

@@David_Box Yes! Just like free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction!

What types in JS

oq vc ta fazendo por aqui meu caro jogador de oxygen not included? Não é possível que vc possa ter uma vida normal!

😂

Literally decided to learn JavaScript 12 hours ago. Had no idea what I was in for.

@@pleonexia4772 Go for Rust, it works, and has a compilation step

@@pleonexia4772 I learned it because I needed to, but I have made a few funny things with it and I learned enough to do some troubleshooting.

I've never understood why it's called 100 seconds when the videos are 160-170?

at least you are not concatenating strings!

learn php and maybe you put $ in variable name as well

@@farid-frederick PHP > JS

@@encycl07pedia- I love new features in php8

input "what is your name? "; name$

Nah, I think it's rather cute how you can make impressive shit happen by just literally writing 3 lines, no libs or builds or other bloating required. Of course, it doesn't scale great but it definitely has beling instantly available as an advantage.

yeah i do suffer with js but don't touch to my localstorage

HAHAHAHA...just pretentious people bitching about JS while using a fucking browser that works like a fucking charm!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good grief!🤣

and yet still our lives depends on it.

That's the thing. With vanilla it's just all good and games but no employeers want just vanilla or even jquery!!! They want dumb libraries like Ruby or Angular because why make things easy 🙄

Just starting out, got any tips?

@@RikTaa abandon ship

@@RikTaa Learn a real language like C

@@bobbypaycheque probably not worth it, easier to get js job first and then start learning something more complicated like C

@@bobbypaycheque C is for kids, just learn assembly language

someone made a minecraft mod just for allowing people to code is js 💀💀💀

@@_robertas he wants them dead probably

​@@_robertas xdd

im making a country-creating game in JS AND IT'S LITERALLY AN APP LMAO that's the reason i use localstorage over json, because i literally can't use json

Yep. A general purpose tool that can be a applied to any job is almost always going to be a bad tool for whatever job you apply it to. It's like trying to dig a hole with a butterknife. Sure, you can, but someone came up with shovels for just this situation.

LOL

Sounds about right

Psh, the backend is just a random DB vendor stitched together with Node and Express.

what is the name of the project?

Can you create a GUI with Visual Basic to track your progress? I'd just use PHP. That's what Facebook was built on. Power to the users!

I mainly use MDN as my reference for things Web. That has handy compatibility matrices for all the important features (that I’ve come across so far), so I know to only use stuff where all the boxes are green.

Out of curiosity, how on earth did you solve it? Java to Js dev here, trying to make npm packages at my job has been a nightmare

@@dylanbailey4791 We didn't lol. The prof had just Chrome as a requirement so Firefox won't work at all because of importmap and module web workers. And library wise we discarded everything except ES6 modules. That worked quite well, because bundling isn't required then.

God damn true

Best errors are when the console and the page is just blank. Like wtf did just happen?

"this" is always a good joke in javascript

it is

What do you mean by “this”

@@andylee5969 what does any JavaScript developer mean by ‘this’? Whatever it is I’m sure the interpreter disagrees.

How this comment 21 hours ago when video is only 1 hour ago

you’re telling me

@DeadManWalking - True. Though, ironically, I think CoffeeScript would make an excellent shell scripting language.

That has never happened to me as of yet, I thought that was a thing of the past. I can sort of agree that some functions still do this, but I don't think it's that prominent to be called a problem :)

@@MrQuantumCodes You don't run your code on enough devices.

@@MrQuantumCodes "That was a thing from the past" means you don't test your code on older devices. Some 3 weeks ago I decided I'll get back to Javascript after some 15-year hiatus, learn all the new stuff. Made a nice small webapp (a slideshow pulling random pictures off a *booru site) using all the modern best practices. Then bought the cheapest new 10" Android tablet to hang it on the wall and run the app on it, as a kind of electronic photoframe. Android 4.2, newest Chrome capable of running on it, 10 years old, the app crashed horribly. Allegedly JSON.Parse was on Chrome since the beginning, and is the fallback if newer JSON parsers fail. Apparently not on Android, sought alternatives, all too new, had to do the deprecated eval() people tell horror stories about. Fullscreen API - the standard version causes runtime error, but I managed to find the experimental, pre-standard implementation specific to Chrome and it worked. Checking for fullscreen was a no-go though, the checking for presence of the property would cause runtime error, never mind trying to read it. I had to scratch a modern, neat [].includes() to find if an element is in the array, and iterate elements like one would in Netscape Navigator. And had to do body id="body" because GetElementsByTagName wasn't implemented.

@@sharpfang Android 4.2 is a thing from the past though. It is well over a decade old now. I am not suprised modern JS won't run optimal on a deprecated OS

@@daveyvanderweide4977 And yet I bought the tablet "new" never used, from a retailer, dunno how old really but not some refurb. Recently seen a knock-off Xiaomi 12 phone look-alike, advertized to run Android 11. In reality it ran Android 4.2 reskinned to look like and identify as 11. And it wasn't some ancient product that spent ages in storage. It was manufactured over the past year, 'cause they wouldn't be able to replicate Xiaomi 12's look faithfully before its release. In short, Android 4.2 is far from dead, and its users, sellers and manufacturers don't care about its "deprecated" status. Meanwhile JS developers who do, create for these very users the problems I wrote about.

The last part of your paragraph sounded like frustration 😭

I'll be honest, most error msgs are nondescriptive pieces of garbage that don't even point to the area of the error so I get you man

A good IDE will oftenmost point out syntax errors for you that the error logging would be useless for.

@@Saphkey I used browser and text editor, and console messages in the browser were useless crap most of the time 😢

that's why you use a formatter like prettier or so

This. Please fireship it's all I want for Christmas this year

Ya that reference is 20+ years old by now

Didn't ask

@@ericvogler6909 reference to what?

@@madhououinkyoma It was something dumb George W. Bush said.

if your experienced then you have no use for these courses lol. Just make something. Sounds like your experienced in tutorial hell.

@@ZephrymWOW let people enjoy things in life.

@@ZephrymWOW Bullshit. 60s w/this guy is equal to hours of experimentation.

@@ZephrymWOW the entertainment value alone would worth it! I'd rather watch a good roast of my work platform than some laugh-tracked talking heads on TV...

$whats $wrong $with $p$h$p ?

no

that's around 16 minutes, which isn't that much. unless you meant that? idfk

420/(1000-"1000" )

No man, I'd die of laughter.

I had to play it at half speed, so that is closer to 1000 seconds 😅

George Bush said this back in the day

based

Big BS but you have an anime avatar so that's no surprise.

@@vapeurdepisse Counterargument: I am in your walls

@@bri4498 Tbh we are learning javascript right now and i started messing around just with how optimized i could write code in it. Then the teacher asked me about my iq, just because I had an idea on what to do in javascript. Golden moment. But really, on the other hand i have been programming for 7 years beforehand in game maker studio, it was funny when a girl in class asked "ohh, you must've learned that before, right?" I nodded to be polite instead of telling her "This is my first attempt at this language lol". Anyway, it is funny, how exploiting these issues can also make some funny things. Like some vodoo magically optimized codes xD Like literally i optimized the teachers code to run at 50% of the normal time and made 1000000.... iterations to prove my point, yep it is indeed optimized lol.

@@bri4498 what's wrong with scratch?

The fact that JS was originally a lisp before the author was told to "make it look more like this new Java thing" makes it even better

eh, my compilers course had us making a language that resembled Turbo Pascal, with most of the features stripped out.

Couldn't be too good at programming or anything for that matter if you're given the solution to an issue and still aren't sure whether it's the solution

@@pleonexia4772 if you're given the solution to an issue and you're sure it's the solution then you've not programmed enough

@@pleonexia4772 always love coming to comments with people being like “if blah blah blah, then you mustn’t be good at programming”. Usually all from people who don’t know anything about programming 💩

@@madhououinkyoma if you can’t take a joke about programming, you don’t do enough programming… also JS is “scripting” not “programming” hehe 🔥

@@pleonexia4772 Let's say you probably don't know javascript if you don't know that printing an object will by default print "[object Object]".

Javascript would probably just be the giant AnCap conglomerate supervillain that thinks it is responsible for its own success but in fact is mainly dependent upon the many services it "supports" (meaning they really just use Javascript begrudgingly as a key to the mystical Document Object Model which only Javascript may enter (until the arrival of Web Assembly in season 2...));

@@andythedishwasher1117 The fact that the script tag has a type attribute is a clue that JS was never meant to be the only DOM scripting language. And yet here we are. The power of monopoly, cleverly disguised as "network effect".

First error (tip for free): you should not try to love this thing. It is a healthy hate-hate relation you must target. That thing only works if you yell at screen and call it of all bad words you can remember.

Using JavaScript makes me feel like MacGyver

Be like Me - PHP for LIFE!!! 😊

@@vasiovasio Symfony to be specific!! Though we also have to deal with JS from time to time.

Have u tried build react-native app? this is the circle of hell

plzzz no baguette

@@sweJEverywhere 🥖

Why am I not surprised... Have you heard of our lord and savior, Web Assembly?

The problem is that JS is still in schools :/

Everyone should avoid talking about type conversion in JS, can be a real mess.

@@JorgetePanete Until there is a good replacement for web dev you will always have a need for lots of JS devs

@@colinmarshall6634 WASM in Rust or The Next Thing™

That's the paradoxal beauty of it all. The fastest, bug-free, secure and easiest to read and maintain code is the one that doesn't exist at all ! (I'm actually dead serious because it is true when you really think about it).

Of course ;)

Finally someone mentions Haskell

Kkkkk😅

You should've put it under "Languages" and said, "I can read it, but I'm not conversational."

probably to jQuery

@@ahandlethatisnottaken they should leave the OG alone man. Poor jQuery has been serving JS devs for years and years and years. I mostly use it to do some trivial shit which I don't like to code tons of boilerplates using vanilla JS.

Oh, don't worry, JS can make itself be felt even if you somehow manage to avoid using it.

On behalf of all the students that hate JS and prefer python, old fashioned CLI, and C#... Phuck you for continuing the spread of this abomination of coding.

Well, it put food on his family so not the same

Same for my family too. Despite all the perceived hate, i could say with near certainty that the creator of the video truly loves the language.

Personally I wouldn't allow anything other than "const". Unfortunately this still doesn't give you any type safety. Also, it breaks all forms of non-recursive iteration; good, in my arrogant opinion those are unnecessary syntactic sugar anyway and only encourage writing spaghetti code. The reason some languages have static typing is to discourage repurposing variables. And that doesn't work _at all._ Go goes so far as to use a different operator for when you reassign a variable, but it _still allows it._ Dynamic typing is cool though. It enables functional polymorphism. That's also why generic types are a thing.

C# is good and all, but javascript has a different use case even if both can do backend web. You are using interpreted languages in general for the speed of development more than efficiency of the program and that matters when you want to build something as soon an possible.

@@salvationindustries C# supports different execution profiles (Just-In-Time compilation for debugging and Ahead-Of-Time compilation for production). The engine is also open source and can be embedded or used in Terminal with real-time interpretation for scripting purposes.

@@charlesm.2604 I don’t think you understood their comment

@@madhououinkyoma I understood that they talked about interpreted languages vs. compiled languages. Which I replied, C# can be interpreted as well. Worst part is that nobody uses JavaScript, we use TypeScript, so there's a transpilation step which needs to run before execution anyway.

@@charlesm.2604 their main point is about “speed of development”. So, how fast you can build a new, working feature or test a prototype.

I am?

wtf is wrong with u?

Yeah