Jazz Beginner Mistakes - How To Learn Scales

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As a Jazz Guitar Beginner then you probably come from improvising mostly with the pentatonic scale, and the approach is to play phrases and licks in the scale without really worrying about what you are playing.
Now you want to check out some Jazz and then you realize that a lot of what you hear it is not pentatonic, it is using 7 note scales, and you are probably also finding out that this scale is a lot more tricky to get to sound right and especially to get to sound like great jazz lines
So just practicing the scale up and down is not enough to get it to sound like Jazz, you need to find a better way to practice the scales.
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00:38 Which Scales Do You Need?
01:36 CAGED, 3NPS, Berklee doesn't matter
01:58 Basic Exercises
02:47 What Do You Need To Play Jazz
03:11 The Arpeggios Are In The Scales
04:24 How To Practice and Use Them
05:42 Triads and Why They Rule!
07:02 How To Solo Over Chord Changes
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@JensLarsen 3 года назад

What is your best advice for practicing scales for Jazz? More Jazz Guitar Practice Advice for Beginner Jazz Guitar: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7mpVem0mrQE.html

@SirWilliamTambourine 3 года назад

Hi Jens. I am only a student but I wanna leave this here in case someone is stuck where I used to be. Trying to learn and use the scales didn't work for me in the past. Felt like a complete waste of time. But starting from the arpeggios did work amazingly well. (Thanks to your diatonic arpeggios routine video). Adding the 7ths and the 9ths starting from the triads (and actually learning them anywhere on the fretboard) was extremely easy and rewarding (as opposed to, trying to learn a bunch of scales in different positions.) Then YOU finally taught me that I had been just stacking thirds all the time. So now I can... Try and learn the scales again :) it's amazing how everything makes sense to my fingers now. Thank you!

@dc43tokyo 3 года назад

Print yourself out some blank fretboard sheets. Then pick a scale position, see it in your mind and write it out on paper. Note the roots. You can also do two side by side scale positions, go down one and back up the other. Also mix it up by starting from the high E string and work backwards or starting from the roots, pickup notes, etc. - any combinations to really challenge yourself that you know the scales inside out. By writing the scales out on paper instead of playing them, you can't rely on muscle memory for help.

@aadityakiran_s 3 года назад

Hey I had a doubt. What's your take on learning the notes as opposed to the scale degrees. As in, thinking of everything as relative to the root as opposed to the notes themselves as someone like a piano player would do. I've heard some people say that you have to learn in terms of notes and not rely on shapes on the guitar because that's not real music that's just a shortcut. Some other people say that learning the notes relative to the root by learning the shapes as in the CAGED is the best since you can transpose that to any key. What do you think? What are the pros and cons of each method?

@blainelilly2971 3 года назад

After about a year of following Jens online, I have to say that I understand the "logic" of the guitar much better than I used to. My technique is still very much a work in progress (my 71 year old arthritic hands complain constantly) but I can honestly say that I have a much better understanding of guitar, jazz, and music in general than I did when I began.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad to hear that you find the videos useful, Blaine!

@zankfrappe5145 3 года назад

"They (scales/modes) are more similar than they are different" Jens is brilliant.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

It is not the scales but the way you play them though, so scale positions 🙂

@adamscott7521 Год назад

I couldn't find a Jazz teacher or afford one for that matter. This is my go to resource still. Thank you Jens.

@JensLarsen Год назад

Glad that the videos are useful and that you are putting it to use! :)

@emo-sup-sock Год назад

I'm an amateur musician who loves jazz, and it was really frustrating being only able to do pentatonic noodling, your lessons are eye-opening, Jens. Thank you for putting such high-quality stuff online, for free.

@moonsuga 3 года назад

I am a metal guitarist and I love your videos as it helps me spice up my leads even if it's a totally different genre. Brilliant

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Great! Go for it!

@vincetarver8742 2 года назад

Nice lesson. I noticed some time ago, that if I played a rootless maj7 triad that it became a minor triad, but I didn't understand what was going on - boom, I see it now. Thanks again.

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful 🙂

@DrJoshGuitar 3 года назад

My advice for practicing scales is I always connect it to a tune or part of a tune. Much easier to remember that way and it feels immediately useful!

@paulafranceschi 2 года назад

Very helpful as a "going back to basics" place to re-orient myself.

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful, Paula!

@bluegoose555 3 года назад

Jens this lesson is very hard to beat... but since you asked.. something that really helped me in the past was Jimmy Bruno's C major scale up the neck (he was adamant it wasnt CAGED) but essentially 2 octave patterns .. GV7 mixo at 3... then the Amvi at 5.. B locrian and C major at 78.. dorian at 10.. and phrygian/lydian at 12/13... and what it gave me.. was the weave.. and how all the modes are embedded everywhere .. and one can use this knowledge as a shifting pattern perception.. or maybe also as the "more useful" .. 3rds or triads all in just 4 frets etc (as above). it really helped me learn the neck... and see how the same patterns shift and turn into each other...and "out and in" .. I actually think this video above it more practical.. as .. you show.. the usage.. another pattern Larry Calton showed he called the " super arpeggio".. 3 minors and 3 majors in 8 notes on 4 frets.. DFACEGBD.. I believe you got 52 triads once.. in 4 frets ?

@Jeff-Russ 3 года назад

Thinking about what you said gave me a personal epiphany: Have you ever learned how to drive only one route (without GPS), taken so often you can shut off your mind and drive without thinking? If you need to drive another route, you're clueless because you learned a sequence rather than navigation. This is what it is like for me having learned cello with classical training. But it's not a problem in classical: we only play the piece as written so it's fine to shut off our internal navigator and recite the music like the alphabet. In fact, it's preferable since it frees us to think about expression. But this training made it harder for me to compose or improvise; where it's best to keep thinking "from above" rather than automatically and mindlessly hopping from note to note. Now I'm learning to use my mind differently while I play. Thanks for the insights!

@Domitianvs 3 года назад

I've been going crazy trying to decide how to make scale practice musically useful for a couple of weeks now, and boom! This comes up! Couldn't have been timed better! Good stuff, Jens, keep it up!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Great! Go for it

@nicholassalomone 3 года назад

Me too! It’s been driving me crazy. I feel like so many of his videos have popped up right when I need help with that exact topic lol! Perfect timing, love his videos

@TanishqAhirrao 3 года назад

You made me feel inspired to play Jazz... Thank You so much Jens 🙏🏻

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad to hear it 🙂

@udo1483 3 года назад

Thank you Jens, as always great prepared material. Everythingis getting to the point. I learn so much from you.

@ritofuturito 3 года назад

This is awesome, thanks so much for sharing this advice with us. It’s very difficult to get to that level of knowledge and be able to synthesise it and make it accessible for us beginners.

@frankhowell8139 3 года назад

Thank you for another very clear, useful lesson. I really appreciate the time you take to help jazz players who still have a lot to learn.

@TheMegansdad 3 года назад

I really like the details of your compositional techniques. Also the pointing out the time wasting pitfalls is great! Thanks Jens.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

You're very welcome!

@KennethGonzalez 3 года назад

Fantastic installment, Jens! :-D

@Cooltorpedo 3 года назад

Excellent video, Jens. Right to the point: what you need to learn, what to practice, how to use it. You could be more reiterative, but not clearer. Thanks!

@thijs199 3 года назад

You clearly have not been around here long enough

@deciofl 3 года назад

Great explanation, great teacher!

@itslowbudgetrock 3 года назад

You taught me so much, mr. Jens! Thank you

@dt9r 3 года назад

Great lesson, thank you

@breakfast2715 2 года назад

this lesson crushed! thanks jens :)

@salvadorgarcia8661 3 года назад

Formidable clase. Muchas gracias maestro.

@yug888 3 года назад

Wow, just wow! I play guitar for fun since long time and never ever understand notes, scales and how to improvise, even more on jazz that i like so much. In one lesson, you made me understand the importance of arpeggio and their purpose in jazz. I remember listening to Pat Metheny seminario and was almost crying in despair listening to fabulous arpeggio but didn’t understand what the relation to scale! Thanks for presenting it so clear, so basic, a celeste light just light up in me! I will contribute to your Patreon!

@duh_matos_ 2 года назад

4:10 ive watched this class so many times this exercise is really great thanks jens :D

@saepiumv3813 3 года назад

Thanks, going to give this a try. Have just received in my last lesson all the caged positions for major7, min7, dom7 and half diminished b5 and was feeling pretty frustrated trying to internalise them all, some go better than others. I have been trying to relate them back to the chord shapes instead of scale. I feel like this will take me a long time to internalise them all! Thanks for all your content Jens!

@RC32Smiths01 3 года назад

Scales are important, but it is also just as important to use them in interesting and creative ways!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

And to practice so that you can :)

@RC32Smiths01 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Indeed!

@benkatof4240 3 года назад

Nice lesson Jens. This method works! I do two other things - I limit the time i use for scale/arpeggio practice to 1/3rd of my total practice time - makes me focus better and stops me from getting bogged down in difficult new things for too long. I also play the arpeggios up and down the high 3 string set in one voicing.

@guilhermobra 3 года назад

You are a GREAT teacher. Parabéns (congratulations) from Brasil. I hope soon join your students group. Obrigado (thanks).

@glenguldbeckmusic3410 3 года назад

Your explanations are very lucid and easy to follow. Thanks for breaking this all down into understandable bite-size pieces. Cheers!!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad you find them useful 🙂

@salkinfamilychiropractic3142 3 года назад

wonderful as always, Jens!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Thank you so much!

@DaveDevourerOfPineapple 3 года назад

Yes. First for once. Thank you as always Jens!

@lain138 3 года назад

thank you!

@will976 3 года назад

Thank you Jens........very helpful, and just where Im at now

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

You're very welcome! :)

@camilacosta9948 3 года назад

Thank you , very clear your explains

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@oli_dall-r4112 3 года назад

Excellent lesson !

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad you liked it!

@briantriesart 3 года назад

Niceeee, thanks.

@XCILE625 3 года назад

Thank you for this.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

My pleasure!

@raymondlaracuenta746 3 года назад

THANKS!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

You are very welcome 🙂

@user-io9ij9tu9e Год назад

this is Humongous help thanks

@JensLarsen Год назад

Glad it is useful!

@hissinghed Год назад

I try not to think in terms of modes if I'm improvising over diatonic chord progressions. I just try to find the diatonic notes of the root key that surround the chord structure Im playing, and focus more on stuff like applying approach notes to the arpeggios , and trying to make it sound more melodic and less scaley.

@JensLarsen Год назад

Sounds like a good approach 🙂

@tihovlahovic 3 года назад

Thank you :)

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@lawrencesarabia8190 Год назад

Great vids! Can you refer to the odds of moving from average classical guitar formation to jazz guitar? Thanks!

@ChrisKopelakisfingerstyleg 3 года назад

perfect warm congrats.***

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad you like it!

@jeanjacquesrousseau1955 3 года назад

Lol it is weird I never saw a video of you but youtube decided to send me here as one of the first. :D But yeah still learning jazz. Thx RU-vid for remembering me to practice more. :D Edit: Nice tutorial. :)

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Go for it :)

@issambachraoui8304 3 года назад

Thanks u

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Welcome

@markwilliams8533 3 года назад

Thank you Jens your lessons are really good, how do I practice to stop sounding choppy when I start to play faster?

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Start slow and speed up gradually with technical exercises and practice in an easy medium tempo for improvising, but make sure to play stuff that you can speed up

@aadityakiran_s 3 года назад

Nice video. i was wondering how to learn scales in a cohesive manner. This is very good. Very good step by step guidance. Thanks.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@aadityakiran_s 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Please make a video on how to play what you hear in your head. If you make it, it will be good.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

@@aadityakiran_s We already talked about this 3 times, and that is not what you need if you are looking at how to learn scales. Please don't be annoying.

@aadityakiran_s 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen You have great memory. But then again it's a very important skill isn't it? Not related to learning scales but still in other ways important to musicianship. I'm really grateful that you remember all this and reply to all my messages. I don't really mean to be annoying but it's something that I think is very important but haven't understood how to do.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

@@aadityakiran_s I am sorry, I can't help you. You are still just looking for the magical shortcut and ignoring what is right in front of you. It is sort of tragic, that you don't see that learning the scales are a part of hearing melodies with them. You ignore my answers to your questions, when I point out that I am repeating myself and even ignore that I tell you that it is annoying. Do you think it is making it more likely that I make the video, or do you think it is making it more likely that I block you for wasting my time?

@foriegnuniter 3 года назад

Hey Jens, another stellar video! One random question, how come you don't often post videos of you playing any of those other guitars on the wall?

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Thank you! I don't really think about it, the Ibanez is just my favorite I guess.

@TheSinfy 3 года назад

Jens, I love your videos and thanks alot for them. Do you think i should learn jazz for being a good blues player?

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Glad you like the videos. I don't think you need to learn Jazz to play other styles

@lowbias 3 года назад

I'm so pleased I found your channel, Jens! Everything you talk about is interesting and enlightening! Is there some sort of roadmap or class or system / book you run or can recommend to go from mediocre, early intermediate guitar player to moving to playing jazz standards? This video, for example offers great advice on how to learn scales. Is there something that elaborates on this and offers a bit more practice guidance? I love listening to jazz and I've been struggling with learning the guitar, looking for a more general curriculum. But I think jazz is what I'm looking for. It fits with how I think and it will get me playing that music I enjoy that much sooner.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Thank you Robin! That is really great to hear! It is difficult to give too specific advice because everybody is different and at different levels, but maybe check out this post: jenslarsen.nl/how-to-learn-jazz-guitar-suggestions-to-begin-studying/ It will give you some thinks to consider when you plan your studying and practice, but if you want the deluxe version I offer then there is also a link to my online course

@lowbias 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for, Jens. I will check out the course as well, straight away!

@chrishercules3526 3 года назад

What scale system did you use to create this video? I like it and it makes perfect sense for a beginner. I look forward to learning more of your exercises.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Thank you! That was the Berklee system

@chrishercules3526 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Thanks for the quick response. I enjoy your videos.

@manhtiennguyen1704 3 года назад

Love your zoom-in camera movement =))))))))

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Thanks! I will pass that on to my editor

@jazznotes3802 3 года назад

Some great information here👍🏻. Any news on the joint video yourself and Tom Quayle were going to do? (Regarding intervalic playing)

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

It's coming, but I am really busy so it won't be in the next weeks 🙂

@jazznotes3802 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen That great to know. Glad you keeping busy.

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

@@jazznotes3802 l have two collab that I need to edit and finish first

@jazznotes3802 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen That’s great. Always love and value your content.

@taossmith 3 года назад

I'm not a jazz guy but sometimes I peak in on your stuff because it is brilliant and useful for other things. I must say it has been awhile since i've had my mind blown by a lesson but this one did it. I learned all my major scale positions and mastered doing them in thirds a couple years ago. The revelation that the arpeggios are just hidden under something I already knew is a game-changer. Thank you sir!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Great that it was useful 🙂

@scottvanblaricom7023 3 года назад

Perfect gaaaawd thanks man. I’ve got ninety scales and no way to use them. I’ve got six hundred chords and no scale to connect to it. So when ever I try jazz standards I just fall back to playing rhythm ( which isn’t bad but I want to be able to be free). I want to learn affirmation so bad but it has blues, II V I, bebop, mixolidian, Lydian d7... I’m just overwhelmed.

@scottvanblaricom7023 3 года назад

Lydian b7 sorry

@davidtardio9804 3 года назад

This is great stuff as always. I know you said the choice of scale system that you use doesn’t matter, but in the case of Berklee vs CAGED you would either be learning 7 or 5 places to play a given scale along the neck. How many places to play a scale is enough? Or put another way: after someone learns the C major scale position you played in this video, where is the NEXT place to learn the scale on the neck?

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

It is up to you to choose what fits you. There is no best choice

@AmandaKaymusic 3 года назад

The tone sweet spots, the reachable bright and more mellow harmonic spots on each guitar can be different. I sometimes find I choose different voicings on different guitars too. Great lesson Lars. I have practiced most of what you shared with collecting knowledge eclecticly and seeing what fits best. I'm still very timid with soloing. Your tasteful soloing sounding so smooth and snazzy is inspiring me to have a go more often and I appreciate that very much. 🎶🎵

@TheOsoTec 3 года назад

Second haha You’re amazing Jens, greetings from Mexico!!

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Yay! Thank you!

@pekkakamari646 3 года назад

Jens, how would you practice playing what you hear? Is It about singin everything you practice? By hearing i mean how to execute things you hear In your head? Best Regards

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Learn to listen to what you hear in your head, practice soloing rubato and copy a lot of stuff by ear (as in solos)

@pekkakamari646 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Thanks!

@sergeko5834 3 года назад

Great content ! Isn't playing the scale in thirds the same as playing the arpeggio's and triads ?

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

Not really, but it is a great way to practice towards those two. That's why I included it

@sergeko5834 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen now I understand what you mean : playing in thirds : 2 notes, triads : 3 notes, arpeggios : 4 notes (+ extensions). By starting with root-third in one position it's easy to also learn the triads and arpeggios within that position (stacking thirds)

@deanc.5984 3 года назад

Argh.....I need to practice more👏👏👏😂🍺👍

@ss-wh3sx 2 года назад

at 1:43 is there an extra note in the caged system diagram...??? or am i missing something..?? cause if u was in the key of Gmaj you would have a min7th and a Maj7th...

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

We can never have too many notes :)

@ilyasmoulayramdanemoulat1624 3 года назад

Only major harmonic minor pentatonic are needed I don't play standard jazz maybe some Wes montegomery improvisation fusion rock blues metal that's all

@josephfraser8586 2 года назад

Hey Jens, (I understand this video is fairly old so I wont be offended if I don't get a response😅.) I was just curious about when you said "Learning the arpeggios as seperate positions, this way you're not connecting them to the scales or other things you're playing." Whats the reason behind this? I thought the whole idea was to try and interlink the scales and the arpeggios?

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

If you practice them as separate things and not in the scale then they are not really linked. If you practice your diatonic arpeggios then they are immediately linked

@josephfraser8586 2 года назад

@@JensLarsen Oh I see now haha! thank you for clearing that up, I appreciate the reply.

@PhG1961 3 года назад

Schitterend !

@toddbourque5387 2 года назад

Jens, can your Guitar Pro files be purchased through Guitar Pro?

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

Nope, but they are available on Patreon :)

@toddbourque5387 2 года назад

Thanks for the prompt response and the encouragement. I have never used Patreon, but I will check it out! Merci!

@DAB248 3 года назад

Jens, please slow down / pause. Not necessarily with your delivery but more so on the video production / edit. It's 100 mph ! with no breathing room. The content is fabulous just finding it hard to digest.

@Giorgi.Japiashvili 3 года назад

At 7:00 over Dm7 you're playing F major triad and over Cmaj7 you're playing E minor triad, how did you choose those triads specifically for those chords? At first I thought that because Dm and F are relative keys but C and Em aren't relative keys

@JensLarsen 3 года назад

That is explained in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2Ze22BNftAA.html You might want to check out the whole thing but I am referring to the part around 7 minutes.

@Giorgi.Japiashvili 3 года назад

@@JensLarsen Thanks a lot for your response and your videos in general, they're helping us a lot!

@guitarvibes1828 2 года назад

Please Do You use 3 Notes Per String for Music Reading or more advanced things like Sight Reading ?

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

I don't think in positions when I read, but you can use any fingering system for that.

@guitarvibes1828 2 года назад

@@JensLarsen Do You use 3 Notes Per String system for transcribing solos by ear ?

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

@@guitarvibes1828 No, I use my ears

@guitarvibes1828 2 года назад

@@JensLarsen Which system Do You use for playing Legato and Sweep Picking ?

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

@@guitarvibes1828 Please stop

@carlocondoluci574 Год назад

hi, i like you very much and i have often listened to your video and wanted to send a thank you but pay pal is not avallaible. maybe i am a scared old timer but... would'nt it be convenient? thank you for the moment as🙃 italians say

@tonygonzalez4626 2 года назад

what website address do you use to get to your dash board .im having problems finding it ,lol

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

Send me an email

@tonygonzalez4626 2 года назад

@@JensLarsen I’m going in through the invite right now

@JensLarsen 2 года назад

@@tonygonzalez4626 if you send me an email I can help you, here I can't

@thijs199 3 года назад

Ik weet niet, zit nog te twijfelen of ik hier moet blijven. Ik heb dit nu al zo'n 4 keer gehoord en tja, laatste tijd, kan aan mij liggen maar ik word niet echt vrolijk hiervan.