JEFF KIRKWOOD STORY PART 2: WHAT HAPPENED TO JEFF (JOURNAL REVEALED)!! 

Matthew Ferry there's a flaw in your investigation. The sausages were still there. Therefor it was you (ignore the last part, me being an idiot)

Its all strange. Could there have been torture involved ? Could there have been other potential victims?

Matthew Ferry what about the little kitty child trafficking... Nevada is also known for finding child traffickers... children pedo chains are known to be around the country areas of Nevada and farther south...

I'm thinking they are hiding a murder or kid napping then murder, or forcing him to have "fun" with other people, and then... a baby happened, or the baby wipes were to clean Jeff

Partyundead he was just assuming it was looted. Some probably took they're stuff and ran

Michelle Anne thats every murder story ever

That's what I think as well. I'd be extremely cautious if I was going back there again. I feel like something bad happened to him and someone knows. Has a reward ever been offered for information?

Of course someone knows what happened. Probably the person stalking them now.

@@yolandacrossey112 that's possible that crossed my mind also

Has the blood been tested by police?

Joseph Anderson that’s a brilliant idea holy crap - I know I’m like 8 months late but still,,

Trail cam

100th like....great idea Joseph👌💞🇿🇦

I think placing outside facing the door would be the way to go. If it was found, it would be taken.

@JosephAndersen Brilliant idea!

Marissa Rose good observation. I would absolutely love an update on this building / Jeff.

I noticed that too and in a later clip, it looked like the black bag was torn up on the floor beside that wood table. I also wonder if any of those names carved in the walls of the other little house, are missing people as well. Maybe they’ve seen or met Jeff out there...maybe talked to him. Any info would be helpful.

It was burned with other stuff..

The orange bag that was hanging by the door EWU went in the first time is gone as well. Going by the vomit bucket id assume he was very ill before he died but with it being in the middle of nowhere nevada i cant imagine why they would burn his stuff. I think foul play is involved at least to some degree, maybe not directly in his death but someone probably robbed him before he died since no wallet was found to my knowledge and so that's probably why he didn't even have any over the counter antibiotics or anything to help with any illness he had other than over the counter painkillers. Whoever took the wallet likely took the car too but without the keys so they hot wired it, seeing as how the keys were still there but no vehicle in the area.

They got rid of evidence. Cover up?

My gut feeling is someone from the police department did the burning after they reported their findings. Would explain why the police didnt bother to look into it.

Could be stuff that the ("killer") has been in contact with. Stuff that could contain his or her DNA, that is. Could also be just a "campfire" for someone strange enough to spend a cold night in there.

Yes we need a update

Yes

There is now a part 3 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e_-mGQhKAqE.html

The door that was tied was the bathroom door. Idk about you but I always lock the bathroom door when I use it.

That is most likey the case it's probs some gang out there who ain't two familiar with outsiders but I believe Jeff didn't rlly go missing I think somebody made him go missing 🤔

That's a great conclusion!!

I agree

Didn't he say the bullet holes were fired from the inside? It is not possible, without being there in person, to examine the holes in order to try and determine how old they are, regardless of which direction they were going. I think that tying the shut instead of nailing a board across it, like the other door, could serve multiple purposes. It is feasible that it would make an excellent darkroom. There is a container on the near the right front leg of the table. It looks like it could charcoal lighter fluid. But he doesn't identify what it is. I have some doubts about the darkroom theory. I think initially there would have been evidence of the chemicals needed, empty containers at least, there would be no reason to dispose them any different than the trash. Plus, you would need pans in which to place the pictures, in order to develop them. It is also possible that they were fastidious, as a result of the subjects involved. Another theory about the bloody cloths. It could simply be that he was very ill. The kind of both ends sick. I think the most likely reason the door was tied shut was because it was an emergency exit. If he was being harassed &/or threatened, having only one way in and out would be tactical suicide. Untying the door would be quieter than ripping boards off. I think the reason he chose that building was because it could be secured. The other building was wooden, it had to many openings to be able to secure it. It would have taken alot of material and some pretty specific tools, in order to accomplish it. The walls inside would not hold up to even minor use of force. It could also actually burned to the ground literally. I think at some point he did enter the building, maybe first, maybe later. I do think the, Jeff 2015, written on the wall was written by Jeff Kirkwood. It's sort of like signing a visitor log book. I think he was to smart to actually consider that building. I saw no signs of his eating anything. If it was him who left the water bottles with the things inside them, it seems he would have something if he spent any time there (sleeping, etc.) it didn't appear that any effort was made to create a surface to sleep on. He would also be vulnerable to the insects and snakes in the area. Guarantee that his body heat would have been a magnet for snakes at the least. He did probably scope it out for resources. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Michael Rohrer exactly what I did!

Michael Rohrer me too and love this message.

i thought I was the only one XD

Michael Rohrer Yep... Me too

Michael Rohrer Ha ha sound like loads of us did that..

Most likely they only tampered with the evidence and destroyed it

As well as anything of value.

I noticed that too. They'd were nearly arranged.

He said it was looted in the last video

Doubt it. Blood could have been from him cutting himself. People are looking way too deep.

Who would've been after him and why though?

The bloody tissues/rags could have been from him coughing up blood, there were signs he was sick while living there and it could have developed into something worse

Poor old guy? How do you know he wasn't a child rapist or murderer himself? Not a lot of people decide one day out of the blue to leave their life behind and wander aimlessly and alone in the desert, and sleeping and eating in a nasty place I wouldn't even want to drop a deuce in. From his journal it looked like many of the days were probably miserable and not even worth writing anything but the date. Why would one decide to do that if they weren't running from something pretty severe?

@@dwiganstube correction..on average, a million people a year out of the blue leave their lives behind..some r vandweller, RVers, hikers..and some just want a new life and/or to be left alone..btw..my van/home is sitting in my friends yard at the moment✌❤😊

candidkelsey It's a closed case.

no body found = no crime commited.

He was found though they said that lol

Guillaume J he was found they said that in the original video

Kj Yeah, I agree. When they found him he was dead. Probably a skeleton at that point. So a lot could’ve happened to him in that building.

Hope Emma that was my first thought haha

I know right , id be scared about something popping out and attacking me. Still watching the ending tho! 😊

Hope Emma yall

Hope Emma me either!!!

Me to

Me too, I wonder if the stalker did something to Jeff and that's why they don't was EWU out there?

@@pinkyvdt my same idea

Mr Stalker needs a visit from the FBI

You don't know why??

@@sonnydayz2118 who do you miss...????

I think he was probably injured either "naturally" (unlikely) or someone shot him (or stabbed), and he was suffering from those injuries. Where did they find his body? did he go there to die or did someone take his body there after he died? too many questions!

Sick or injured, all those big diaper looking full of something, could have been blood or vomit?

They found his body. Autopsy said natural causes and exposure. And he didn't want to be found

@@kalex2894 hematemesis. He used to take some analgesic (ibuprofen etc) i think he later got anemia because of that hematemesis. Sorry for my bad english

So could a penetrating wound to the abdomen though. Such as a gun shot? Jeff's body was recovered right?

They only recovered his skeletal remains, and they only had partial dental records, so they had a hard time id'ing him.

The symptoms as indicated with your video point to a severe stress set to his abdominal region. The bucket full of blood and waste was a telling point. Amoebic Dysentery can result from impure water supplies or alternately he may have been shot or stabbed. In either case dehydration could lead to delirium and serious disorientation, further exacerbating any physical challenges he may have faced. I think you are correct in assuming that the burning of his clothing was an attempt to cover up the circumstances surrounding his demise.

One of the challenges posed by a survival situation is finding clean water, this is especially true in a desert region. Keeping a personal, high quality, water filtration device is actually a very good idea.

Avoiding dangerous individuals is also a key to survival. I do not know and cannot guess which poor Jeff had suffered with.

NO SOUP no I think about it every time

NO SOUP no I think about it every time lol

Guys, I found jeff, he's pewdiepie! XD

NO SOUP He was ill so maybe he couldn't paint good

NO SOUP am I the only one who gives a fuck about grammar???

Maybe that's why he was sick and his handwriting started getting sloppier, maybe Jeff got radiation poisoning??

Elise, good point! I was wondering why he was sick.

Thank you Jim, and I agree, this rural location seems to have a disproportionate amount of missing people and murders.

Explore With Us Do you carry?

I carry, everybody in my family has a CCW.

We have legal open carry here in this state. I should get a CCW though, I would rather not give away the defense by showing it in my tactical vest.

Sometimes to protect yourself and not lose an edge you don't want the bad guy to know you have the means.

Nice, always love comments from Tracy, if you haven't already, be sure to check out her channel! I am not sure, but it seems really odd that someone named Jeff wrote on that wall at the same time Jeff was out there. 🙂👍

There were 2 jeffs that went missing Jeff Kirkwood went missing in 2015 and Jeff Hendrick went missing in 2016 the remains of Jeff Hendrick were found along with a vehicle in a remote secluded desert area

what??? really??? thats super odd and really creepy.more info would be great

Explore With Us I agree and are those people whose names were written on the wall missing too

monica small I know I'm late but here is a link www.rgj.com/story/news/2016/08/11/churchill-county-deputies-find-human-remains-desert/88586956/

What kind of a bad vibe? About him specifically?

I get a deep, sinking feeling in my heart.

I started feeling very sick watching this

Me too

Young Planet Quick I do

Jennifer Glenn that’s what i think about all this

Well, yeah honey. People that live like this are mentally ill, or running from the law.

O.K. what I am about to write is disgusting and vile. Following your theory on taking photos. It is possible that the bloody, (cloths?), were not from Jeff. I think you can figure out what I am saying. I would like to know what that material actually is. It looked like it could have been diapers. Although, he probably would have said that.

@@thomask6798 agree that the “cloths” looked like diapers. They were the same size and puffiness of a diaper, but like you said, he probably would have called them that, but instead he referred to than as _“tissues”..._ One appeared to be more of a poop color and the other one looked like blood.

Abusing kids - that´s just what I was thinking.

Read the many replys from "herbprophet" in other comments for much more intriguing evidence in this case.

or by the stalker?

Polarbear7890 if it was murder it was Shane kocks

He's gotta be shayne cox

The stalker

Multiple. 🙂

I hope your lady is both armed and proficient with a firearm in addition to yourself. Should the occasion or need ever arise ( I PRAY IT DOESN'T!); having her armed may just be the little difference necessary for you folks to have the upper hand with the element of surprise. Thank you so very much for all the time, effort, expense and dedication you put into your videos, they are phenomenal!!

did you contact the Police?

Thatta boy !!!

you need an ak with a drum mag out there the desert is a fucked up place to be sometimes

Slow play the building with windows a guys arm runs behind corner someone was really watching him

@@modbox9560 you mean at, around 14:53 ? Because i wasnt sure if it was really someone at the window or i was going crazy tbh

So he could no the day and date

Jonah axb somebody else said the exact same thing on the other video a women who wants the case reopened

Interesting, but his journal mentioned many walks so he did go outside.

I feel like he was held captive and the person that was holding him captive would bring him food and stuff and he was kinda a pervert as you can tell from the porno magazines and all those weird sex toys.

Jonah axb. If you go back to the first video i'm sure i saw a hand gun on the table hidden under the plastic and things. I think this was his second visit in that video

Why would the murderer come back to burn the stuff years later, if he had known Jeff was there. He would have not known about that spot until later. I wonder where the car went. A murderer might have had access to a tow truck or such and removed it, but it makes no sense that they came back to burn cloths after so much time

Robbie McRae yep

I'm thinking someone stole it from the mine or it was the mine workers storage shed

Crystal S the structure was some sort of processing building for the mining operation, according to one commenter’s observation. He noted some key features in the building that would have some function for processing the mineral they were mining. I have no idea personally, but the comment made sense. Just as likely that Jeff or someone else saw a use for a barrel and brought it down from the mine. Whether it was there originally or brought there, no point in speculating right? Haha. But definitely came from the same lot of barrels.

marley hendrix I completely agree with you!!!! Everything you said!!!!

Yeah the guy was murdered I believe and kids were definitely being abused in that place too. Why the hell would there be baby wipes/powder and childlike paintings on the wall along with fetish shit and dirty underwear everywhere... Whatever was going on in that place seems really fucked up. Imo, Jeff was using that hideout not knowing it was being used for sick purposes and he was confronted by the guy(s) who use that place for child trafficking or god knows what...The confrontation turned violent judging by the bullet holes in that door and Jeff being sick anyway wasn't able to fight much and very likely got shot hence all the blood. Whatever happened, someone is still actively trying to cover their tracks as why else would they be so keen on burning Jeff's belongings and the blood stained tissues? Plus other questionable items being removed from the place like his car keys, magazines and nintendo etc. Something terrible happened for sure and it's still creepy to think about. I'd be scared for my life going up there so kudos to these guys being brave enough because it seems like they were being watched up there...

I bring wipes to camp..great way to stay clean. baby powder can b used to dry wash hair.

@Riri Kay I never heard that wipes and baby powder were sex toys.. ur the 1st!

Bo Cox, Good catch, I didn't even see the misspelling, I will have to watch that part again.

Explore With Us I think it's because he's mentally ill. Maybe he just forgot but there is a possibility that your stalker is the one that tampered with the evidence

Bo Cox he suffered seizures could have been due to a brain tumour

drugs or alcohol too to add to the replies. may reasons

He also repeats the same date at one point which makes the dates that follow wrong.

Mantee Community

and masks, there was black mold everywhere in that old cabin.

@Kyril J ADS

He had gloves on at the beginning of the video.

This isn’t how a crime scene works. The crime scene is already heavily contaminated before they walk in. Evidenced by the burned evidence all over the floor. Also evidenced in the other video by the absolutely disgusting nature the scene was in when they were there. Alsp it’s pretty simple for them to prove when and where they touched these things so they wouldn’t be contaminating anything. Their finger prints being on these certain things would be justified.

Ody Slim Thank you. I think you're right. Seems the guy has some issues.

herbprophet funny seeing you here doing more investigating I see

Fucke

That1pear I'm sorry about that comment my friend stole my phone and typed that

Carol Contestabile k

Obito Uchiha omg

Yeah he needs to be looked into

Woah

Source?

Wow!!

Karen Johansen, I agree, the fire completely burned out as only ashes were left, and I thought it was strange how they burned his vomit bucket too. His journal really did seem to suggest he didn't want to be there, he was stuck and hiding. His truck was out of fuel and had been vandalized and towed. Who would vandalize a new vehicle that has run out of fuel? That's something else that has been bothering me about it too.

Explore With Us oh yes, I had forgotten about his truck and I agree with your thoughts on that. I hadn't realised that his vomit bucket had been burnt as well as his clothes, that really is suspicious as everything containing DNA has been destroyed.

Explore With Us I wonder why, if it was S.K. who came back to burn evidence, why he left the titty-pasta boxes that could be linked back to him but took the magazine. Jeff's journal noted the 2 or 3 days he ate pasta, so it's likely he is why the boxes are empty.

Karen Johansen Maybe whoever destroyed his things was looking for his journal..

Certainly a possibility.

I have to agree, that did cross my mind. 🙂

Also peanut 2016 next to Jeff.. Also coincidence?

Scary thought. Be safe. Hope you're carrying.

Explore With Us wait what? you're getting death threats? I gotta catch up on your vids man

Harrison Sutcliffe yes I saw that on the wall also?

Not only did it say pasta but it said "pasta ;)". So definitely sounds plausible!

I’m hoping everyone here is aware that the word pasta is used in pedophile circles to refer to “little boys”. Little boys being anywhere from toddler to a bit older (6-7 maybe?) at which age the refer to boys as “hotdogs”. Now keeping in mind the entry saying “pasta ;)” and that baby powder and wipes is way too much of a coincidence. I’m well aware I’ll lose credibility with some readers for pointing this out but read the Podesta emails that discuss pasta, hotdogs, cheese and pizza in a completely meaningless and irrelevant context.

@@smith549371 what does sleeping rough and being ill have to do with my gibberish? Go have some pasta sauce buddy.

NOT at All. I will be calling the Police about your channel

Totally agree , got those vibes on the first video soon as they got to that building, and then when they started inside wtf uh

Nick_PDX 22 Yeah..

I got that vibe too Nick, and could possibly point to why it was destroyed but definitely a bad creepy chill vibe.. I just get a pedophilia vibe for some reason..

The word ‘cox’ appears on one of Jeff’s papers and I was thinking it might be a pseudonym if he didn’t want his own name on a mailing list.

moonlighter6 can't be Jeff, you said that you were exploring in Georgia when this happened in Nevada

he wasnt saying it was jeff lol

Not as plausible as him Clearly being depressed and losing his will to live.

ok

TheTruthMayHurt yeah why would someone burn stuff after he posted the video

TheTruthMayHurt in my humble opinion the stalker would not twig he was publishing videos, prob thought he is just law enforcement or detective snooping around. No matter. But the hassling and the destruction of things, the burning, and the weirdness of the kinds of rubbish found there, baby stuff and just crazy... Gives ill wind in my stomach... offense was committed there perhaps and the offense still seeks exposure somehow...some injustice.... nothin disappears forever, except our sins if we are forgiven by Y'shua, Jesus of Nazareth and washed clean by His blood shed for us... To God be all the glory, for His promise to us if we seek Him. Dont want to get all preachy here, but geez this is spooky.

Juan A Escobarr murder? Or something else. Why would they burn specific things and not everything.

I know this is a year later but I’m from Arkansas and I remember this case coming up. Investigators still to this day ask for any information involving his disappearance and death. Whatever you have from the first video should definitely be turned into Nevada or Arkansas police. The mans name on those papers and magazines has been mentioned quite a bit as I can remember. Lots of conspiracies have been claimed about Jeff but no one will ever know unless investigators can do their job!

THIS is what I was thinking! (Watching this two years late, don't mind me lol) Many things in the building look very sketchy, and of course there could be much more to it, but the tissues looked like they had been specifically used to clean himself after using the restroom in my opinion. And I came here to the comments to see if anyone else noticed how badly his writing declined, and how he stopped commenting about his days completely as well. I noticed that at the end, he even wasn't able to keep his hand steady enough to make a straight line across the page. He was declining rapidly, and that seems quite obvious, sadly. :(

Pamela Schwanbeck Thank you. :-)

Ann Ham why do you think his handwriting changed?

Ann Ham I have two types of handwriting, it doesnt matter

Dany Targaryen Yeah, but why start writing in one style and abruptly switch to another? You'd think after being stranded, alone for so long, you'd get used to only using one, and forgetting another one if you were able to write with two. There would be no reason to switch styles randomly like that.

Maybe he wanted to train cursive.

Maybe he had some mental problems?

I am late to this comment but my gut feeling is that that the police where involved. They said they reported it to the police and they didnt seem to care about looking into then. Then afterwards they return to find pretty much everything that could be substantial evidence to be burned.........

whoever the guy is, i hope they know that you can't burn a brick building down.

If someone was burning things to clean up the place, then why not make the fire outside in the gravel road. The indoor fire could have burned down the building.

Take a knife or something next time you go out and also take more than. One other person with you! Also tell someone where you are going and say if we aren't back in 24 hours call the authorities! Or hire John cena to come with you lol

you see you get so many good tips how to think about this there must be some great ones in there,put all the good comments together on paper and you know where to look.

that's what I was thinking but I didn't think about it that much that's a dark and disturbing theory and I fucking love it

1Monkeegirl i noticed that as well... u can c a big change in the style of handwriting and there is a change in the S's

1Monkeegirl I didn't see your complete post before i said some of the same things later. Fascinating stuff. It isn't normal for a person to change their style of writing like that. i wish a person who knows handwriting analysis would look at it. I almost wonder if the entries in block letters are the only genuine ones, but i feel sure someone else has had a hand in a few places.

I noticed his upper case non cursive F looks similar to the carving on the wall in that one cabin

Good observation! Confirmation of genuiness.

jeffgrantMEDIA there are thousands of irl murder mysteries. Look it up

jeffgrantMEDIA he wasn't murdered xD he starved to death and he had something wrong with him

I thought so too, but if I looked again and it the "D" seems pretty clear to me.

Maybe the vandals nearby bothered him, and took his things... therefore it being a sort of “raid”.

Maybe Jeff was a cockroach?

Joe Willis you could check the weather for that area on that day to get an idea as to what he wrote

I also noticed the logs were a diffrent writing style than the rest of them for the most part

Dux Calcifer the Magazine could be stolen by Jeff or he got it out of a dumpster or somebody forgot it anywhere and he grabbed it before he went out there. Where did they found Jeffs remains anybody knows that? Did Jeff had a Car (Bec. of the carkeys on Episode 1) this would explain how he got the food. Did they found the remains out there or somewhere else? For me the abandoned building looks like any other place where homeless people lives. And do we really know if its human blood or did there some weirdos anything cruel to animals or hunting for animals for a meal. Im Not sure about this.

Child painting might have been his daughters, the x rated pasta well my guess is it was being sold off cheap, no one really wants dick Mac and cheese lol,baby wipes no water to wash in.baby powder keeps your skin fresh and can be used as dry shampoo.Fetish stuff and pump stolen from other homes near him maybe. I do think he was hit by one of those bullets hence all the bloody rags etc

@@cabooseabs6864 yeah, what if they robbed a bank or something-?

Great questions!

As far as I have found, the body they believe to be his (I can't find a source that confirms it was him) was found about 7 miles away from the original cabin he'd been camping in ( the last one shown here). Due to the state of the remains, it was impossible to determine a cause of death.. or identify, which seems odd with dna in bone marrow or dental records being available🤷‍♀️ Haven't found anything about a car but one of the journal entries in the end showed "gas" written under one of the days (in May, I believe)

Someone thanks for the info!!!

@@wa1176 this video is creepin me out big time. The body was found 7 miles away....I've walked 5 miles with bad shoes in the city and hated it. 7 miles in country like that? Ooof. Maybe he was delirious from contaminated water??

he should

I don't give him attention by naming him, but he started attacking, stalking, and causing other personal problems for me after I posted the first Jeff video. I have deleted most of his comments on the videos, but he has admitted to having multiple accounts on RU-vid to harass me. He was connected to the others who supposedly had some connection to Jeff before he went missing and was later found deceased. Those who were around during his posts will know exactly who he is. He has land out there near where Jeff was "camping". He seems to think he can scare me away, but he couldn't be more wrong about that.

Explore With Us, just be very careful, if this person knows the area well he could just lay in wait and cause trouble for you and yours from afair i.e. from a top a hill like a sniper, dont put yourself in danger just to satisfy your curiosity, if the police are not willing to persure the matter dont put yourself or your family in harms way, its a very curious case and you have enthralled all of us following it but be careful and not silly

Explore With Us oh wow! Definitely do not give him the time of day then. I can respect you and definitely won't ask for a story about it again.

Donnie Mays that's most likely jeffs murderer

Its not impossible to walk a couple miles ey?

Good point! Its true!

Don't jump to conclusions, anyone could have scribed that into the wall at anytime!. Gullible people. You would be lousy on a jury!

Different handwritings on each name.

LB Angel, oh ya. Jeff was hiding from the stalker most likely and he came in and shot him. Jeff was most likely also sick which explains the poop and blood bucket. Then once this guy found out and told authorities the guy came back and burned it all. That stalker guy should be arrested and put upon a jury. Pretty obvious to me. While else would all of his belongings be burned. Honestly this is why I will carry a gun with me everywhere I go. It's a dangerous world.

OldschoollGearJammer Longmiles How touching, I hope good health finds you in the end.

Thank you Zombiegone

OldschoollGearJammer Longmiles didn't he say Jeff died of starvation in the last video

I cant remember, I would have to watch it again.

GrayWolfPup12345 I don't think it's known what his cause of death was, because all it says was that his remains were found so that could mean literally an infinite amount of reasons for why and how he died, I personally don't think he was murdered due to that fact that there was so much blood around the place, so he could have maybe gotten very ill from the food he was eating or maybe shortly after he left civilization he developed a disease or illness that may have caused to start coughing up and throwing up blood

220 Swift Thank you. :-)

Also, baby wipes could've been used for cleaning. You should've taken those slippers or shoes he had in there still & got some sort of DNA test on it.

I looked up the pasta and it goes with some food items that are purposefully made to look sexual. I think Shayne cox was the one distributing sexual items to Jeff since he got his food from him. Jeff didn’t bring it himself that’s why he says Pasta!?! On his diary entry as if surprised. The sausages are new the person who kicked Jeff out of his house most likely was staying there recently

Greymom P well if there's no shower and you're in the desert wipes for bathing and powder so he doesn't get itchy from sweating and some ppl use it as a deodorant

1 1 Exactly. Theyre a common item amongst the homeless for hygeine.

Denise McCullough yeah was gona say the same, even at festivals when camping you use baby wipes

As I was writing "Poor man," I had this sick thought pop into my head. I am always willing to look at people as victims, and sometimes that is far from the truth. I didn't know this man or who he was in life. He could've been a great guy, or a deeply disturbed individual.