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Jefferson Curl Controversy 

Movementgems
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There was a point in my life where I tried everything to fix my herniated disc induced back pain and sciatica. Countless doctors, PTs, chiros, stretching, foam rolling, ice, heat, stim, cupping, pain killers, massages, inversion tables… you name it
The only thing I didn’t try was strengthening my back in all the places it was vulnerable and weak. Because that was hard to do, and took months. But it was the only thing that worked for me
REGRESSION IS KEY! The levels I show for these other key exercises was not where I started. I have other videos for this. For example, I was so weak on back extension I couldn’t even do one rep with my own bodyweight and no load. I had to just hold the top position for sets of 10 seconds
Once I started chipping away at these other ways to move, and built strength and flexibility within them, week after week, my pains started to subside
It wasn’t easy, and it wasn’t a quick fix, but again, it was the only thing that worked for me
Now, it’s very easy for me to see when you’re stronger and more flexible in all the ways your back can move, you’re more protected in all the ways your back can move. And it moves a lot. I just wish someone told me this years ago
It may be strongest when neutral, and training a neutral spine is important too, but that doesn’t mean your back is always going to be in neutral during sport and life. In fact, I think it’s more often than not going to be rounded
So why not get strong there too?

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@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
There was a point in my life where I tried everything to fix my herniated disc induced back pain and sciatica. Countless doctors, PTs, chiros, stretching, foam rolling, ice, heat, stim, cupping, pain killers, massages, inversion tables… you name it The only thing I didn’t try was strengthening my back in all the places it was vulnerable and weak. Because that was hard to do, and took months. But it was the only thing that worked for me REGRESSION IS KEY! The levels I show for these other key exercises was not where I started. I have other videos for this. For example, I was so weak on back extension I couldn’t even do one rep with my own bodyweight and no load. I had to just hold the top position for sets of 10 seconds Once I started chipping away at these other ways to move, and built strength and flexibility within them, week after week, my pains started to subside It wasn’t easy, and it wasn’t a quick fix, but again, it was the only thing that worked for me Now, it’s very easy for me to see when you’re stronger and more flexible in all the ways your back can move, you’re more protected in all the ways your back can move. And it moves a lot. I just wish someone told me this years ago It may be strongest when neutral, and training a neutral spine is important too, but that doesn’t mean your back is always going to be in neutral during sport and life. In fact, I think it’s more often than not going to be rounded So why not get strong there too?
@Sun-ic7rq
@Sun-ic7rq 6 месяцев назад
Your inspiration is VITAL to me... thank you.
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Thanks so much for commenting brother 🙏
@Sun-ic7rq
@Sun-ic7rq 6 месяцев назад
@@Movementgems No, Thank YOU, for existing and creating this content!!! Your info is extremely rare and important and so its very VALUABLE! Thank you!!!
@felixdonar1015
@felixdonar1015 6 месяцев назад
Meanwhile Squat university will be like - "here's my client. He got lowerback pain, now doing Jefferson curls with a 20kg kettlebell makes it worse. So in conclusion it's not for everyone" 😂😂
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Haha I love squat U - but we do disagree on Jefferson curls. I do believe that's a huge flaw in his reasoning - 20kg is SO much for someone with back pain. Instead, why not start with bodyweight, or less than bodyweight with moves like elephant walk or cat cow? I'd love to know his thoughts on that
@palabromusic
@palabromusic 5 месяцев назад
Squat University is great (especially for pure lifters), but hes a little hung up on outdated studies from mcgill on dead pigs that have been disproven many times. Spinal flexion isnt bad. If you are dealing with an active injury it may be, but most people arent. Its a little bit like the people who still believe that knees over toes is bad.
@zerrodefex
@zerrodefex 17 дней назад
Yeah while I learned a lot from SquatU starting out this is an area I really disagree with him on and learned to take what he says with an extra grain of salt.
@Benyaminsommer
@Benyaminsommer 6 месяцев назад
Thank you
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Welcome! Anytime
@user-ig6iz4bl7z
@user-ig6iz4bl7z 6 месяцев назад
I'm always somewhat annoyed when I see people on Instagram doing Jefferson curls or any variant of zercher lifts and all the comments are "don't do this if you have pain and start super light". They're right but that's true for every exercise yet noone comments that on a cable row
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Haha so true!
@harryv6752
@harryv6752 Месяц назад
💯 ♥️ 🔥 🤘
@lofivibez182
@lofivibez182 6 месяцев назад
I love your content and want to know if you are thinking or in the making of any programs of your own? I know about the exercises but trouble programming it along other forms of training
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Of course! I have a completely full body hypertrophy, knee rebuild, back rebuild, and barebones (minimal equipment) programs completed - as well as additional add on mini programs for troublesome areas like feet, ankles, hips, grip, wrists and elbows, shoulders, arms, neck, fat loss, and flexibility all completed. I also have an exercise library of 190 different movements completed coming to RU-vid soon available for free to the public - listing step by step how a beginner can work on all these movements I show. I understand the struggle of programming and fitting everything in is difficult, which is why I've worked so hard for the past few months to get these out as soon as possible, all a cultivation of my last 10 years of trial and errors in fitness :) Can't wait to get these live!
@lofivibez182
@lofivibez182 6 месяцев назад
@@Movementgems YESSSSSS!!!1
@talkingsillies
@talkingsillies 5 месяцев назад
Can you do something on wrists? Ijust got diagnosed with kienbocks disease, and im hoping i can restore bloodflow and maybe "bulletproof" my wrist after surgery, if it goes that way
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 5 месяцев назад
Sorry to hear man. But you’re in luck - I have an incredible resource for wrists. I have an Add On Program called Wrist/Elbow Enhancer that I host 100% for free inside my Skool community. No catch. I link it in my bio, and once you’re in I give away the full program, all sets, reps, and frequency, and show you form videos for all the exercises. You can even download the videos too. Hope to see you there if you aren’t already man, we’re building an epic community there
@cardboardreindeer
@cardboardreindeer 6 месяцев назад
Very good. What are your discs like now? You're asymptomatic but are your hernias reduced?
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
I actually haven't got any X-rays done recently - but when I did a year or two back (vs when I had my herniated disc diagnosis 5 years ago now), I was told I still had herniated discs and shown where in my x rays. At the same time as being completely pain free, and very robust in ALL spinal movements like twisting, lateral bending, and flexion
@bubhinson
@bubhinson Месяц назад
Congrats on the disk progress
@razvan7355
@razvan7355 6 месяцев назад
Do you have a course or a book that we can buy? I have bad knees,shoulders,back,and so on haha,I need it.
@jfoley3484
@jfoley3484 6 месяцев назад
Squat university’s book “rebuilding milo” is a great place to start has loads of great information and these two channels are very similar.
@colemoon541
@colemoon541 6 месяцев назад
Look up knees over toes guy. This guy is one of his coaches
@elitesock2153
@elitesock2153 6 месяцев назад
How often did you stretch vs strength train? Should I do couch stretch and other sorts of stretches after sessions or on separate days?
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
I think couch stretch and ATG split squat are great together, and otherwise usually do 1 back or core movement at the end of upper and lower days
@elitesock2153
@elitesock2153 6 месяцев назад
⁠@@Movementgemscould you give me an example sorry im a lil confused. So you’re saying for example after leg day you’d hit couch stretch and then some sort of bullet proofing back movement?
@joebrown2898
@joebrown2898 6 месяцев назад
What coach should I be looking for in my area to get assessed I have 9 herniated discs but I can still deadlift and squat and bench.
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Id make sure deadlift and squat aren't aggravating the area more. My best advice is to build serious pain free strength in movements like back extension, atg split squat, couch stretch, and ql planks to build strength and flexibility in the areas around your spine - so less pressure goes onto your discs and more pressure goes onto the muscles. I'll be releasing more resources to be able to walk someone through this process!
@ithalia77
@ithalia77 6 месяцев назад
Did you have nerve root impingement?
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
I'm not sure - sorry. My doctors, PTs, and chiropractor never mentioned that, but then again I was too depressed to care or understand at the time when I was bedridden in pain from herniated discs and sciatica
@ithalia77
@ithalia77 6 месяцев назад
Yeah. I feel you. I was anxious scared stressed depressed hopeless and in the worst pain imaginable. Nerve root impingement is unlike any pain I have ever experienced
@13earz
@13earz 5 месяцев назад
Where can I get my form coached?
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 5 месяцев назад
Movementgems.com coming soon! Will blow your mind with the resources :)
@stryckertwinsaj4591
@stryckertwinsaj4591 6 месяцев назад
Can you kick a soccer ball
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
I can!
@stryckertwinsaj4591
@stryckertwinsaj4591 6 месяцев назад
@@Movementgems can you do it for a video im curious
@woodmanAK07
@woodmanAK07 6 месяцев назад
“ … sHtrong … sHtraight ….‘. no H in strong. And only one H in straight - a silent one at the end …
@bruh4046
@bruh4046 6 месяцев назад
Looks like we found the CEO of being obnoxious
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
Haha man - I've had a speech impediment since I was a child. Sometimes it's still audible enough to hear!
@muthafuckawhatchusay
@muthafuckawhatchusay 6 месяцев назад
Have you dealt with sciatica/piriformis syndrome/hamstring tightness? I have an annoying issue on one side that's creating a constraint on how far I can stretch my right leg - even though the right side is generally more flexible
@muthafuckawhatchusay
@muthafuckawhatchusay 6 месяцев назад
Of course, on the same day that I wrote this I was able to get down into a full right side split. Nerve flossing and tennis ball massaging the hamstring seem to help, but I know the tightness will return tomorrow without further care
@Movementgems
@Movementgems 6 месяцев назад
well done man! I had sciatica 5 years ago now. I was able to beat it by strengthening my back extension, atg split squat, and opening up my hips with couch stretch and pigeon work. It took much regressions and many months, but all so worth it to get out of that nasty pain
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