Jesse Reacts to The Jailer's 5000 IQ Plan 

He's trying to say that the jailer threw 30,000 darts out of an airplane and one hit a target on the ground, but really it's blizzard that threw one dart, painted a target around where it landed, and took previously thrown darts and stuck a sticky note on them with "jailer" written in crayon.

Jesse: "I don't know how I'm going to make it trough 20 minutes of the jailer" Bruh, I don't know how I'm going to make it trough 50 but I love you Jesse and I'm watching this whole thing!

I feel like "The Jailer is the reason for everything" plotline undercuts every other character's motives and even their free will. Like what's the point of Arthas's motivation if everything was decided by the Jailer?

Yeah, the thing about "master plans" is that they often end up so convoluted that they just make no sense. Practically speaking, any plan that needs more than two things to go exactly right is a shit plan. A genuine master plan is one that requires zero things to go exactly right.

The plan goes well beyond flipping a coin for 9 hours and finally getting 10 heads in a row. It's flipping a coin for 9 hours, getting 10 heads in a row, and realizing that ALL your coin flips represented the exact order of 0s and 1s required to program Tetris.

Taliesin's whole "better to have it than not" paints a picture of the Jailer frantically looking around the universe/Azeroth going "fuck I need this for la-- shit hold on Sylvanas's on the other li-- no, Gul'dan, you can't blow up the pla-- WAIT DON'T THROW OUT MY STAMP COLLECTION IT'LL BE WORTH SO MUCH IN THE FUTURE!"

the Jailer isnt a character he is a caricature, he is a walking plot twist with no story to explain how, he is a textbook example on how to wright a bad villain he hits all the checkmarks in the what not to do.

Thanks for tuning in! I probably could have been more concise(50 minutes?!?!), but it's been so long since I've made WoW content - and I think this video probably explains why.

"I've been playing a lot of Final Fantasy XIV lately." Understatement of the year.

"The jailer is interesting because he's immortal and can try again forever." You mean Emet-Selch's least interesting trait?!

I think you kind of caught onto this, but there's an important distinction between the two magic tricks (the coins and the horses) and the Jailer's plan: an ability to control information to prevent us from seeing the thousands of failed attempts. Given infinite attempts, I will eventually rob a bank. But I don't have infinite attempts, I only have attempts until someone catches me and does something about it.

The problem with the analogy of "This is the Jailer tossing a coin for thousands of years until he got 10 heads" is that there is no point along the way where he got 9 heads, or 8 heads. No ALMOST successes that would have tipped off those around him that he was up to something. It basically assumes he's been getting 1 or 2 heads all along, and then suddenly all at once got all 10, with nothing in between. There's no way the Jailer could be trying random things and taking any and all opportunities and STILL blindside everyone and come out of nowhere.

One of the most unforgiveable sins WoW has ever done was wasting our Time Travel expansion on fucking Draenor instead of going to the past and fighting Galakrond.

One of the things that winds up being good about the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon is that it does a lot of work to show that Palpatine is just a great improviser, that he's not making plans that rely on someone like Anakin Skywalker showing up but rather that he's good at incorporating those things into his many irons in the fire. The important thing, though, is that it *shows* that. I love improviser villains, I would love if Mr Jailer was an improvisor. But they didn't SHOW that.

I strongly feel that Blizzard themselves are the ones responsible for portraying this story having taken place. It's not players' responsibility to write the solution to the Jailer's conundrum here. If everything T&E claims is true, or even any other alternate explanation, it's still Blizzard's responsibility to write and tell the narrative in a way that actually ties it all together. It is solely on them to communicate what is actually happening in the universe and if no one is actually understanding what they want us to understand, then their strategy of communicating it failed and they should hit the drawing board to do it better. Also TBH, even if T&E is right, I don't think it's an interesting narrative at all...the guy can wait for an eternity and live through possibly multiple iterations of the universe, until the random sequence of events he needed could fall into place and now he wins? Why is that interesting? And the way Blizzard has portrayed it to us, whatever it really turns out to be, has been absolutely abysmal. The fact that they just expect to be able to tell us what is a fact and we just have to "get it" without them writing and conveying ANY storylines, arcs, explanations, intentions, history, etc. and not walking through a single facet of it is so poorly misguided and immensely frustrating. Also they really need to start incorporating the vast majority of these things within the game itself and using extra mediums (like their novels) for just adding extra flavour on top of an already understandable and coherent storyline rather than what they're doing now with making a complex mess of confusing bits and pieces that jump all over the place then expecting us to either buy and read all of the other novels or watch RU-vidrs attempt explain it all for us just so we can get a sense of what the hell is going on in this game's universe narratively, or we just don't understand and have to play the game in ignorance and complete cluelessness. Even with the novels and the large number of content creators speculating and attempting to piece everything together, the current state of it all still feels like a confusing mess.

When you were talking about how factions and their pettiness makes no sense anymore after being to "SPAAACE!" and whatnot it just reminded me of one of the sort of sideplots in FFXIV, with the beast tribes and how they used to be our enemies. We didn't really concern ourselves with killing them as they looked kinda iffy and they kept summoning primals. However as our own perspective developed throughout our experiences during our adventure, we eventually come to regard them as more than boogeymen, trying to reconcile our differences and work to move past such needless violence when there are better things toward which to focus our efforts. Makes you feel that the story actually progresses and tries to say something, instead of just spinning it's wheels for years on end.

The Jailer's character, or lack there of, is what hurts Shadowlands the most, and potentially makes it the worse expansion. Introducing a new character, and making them be responsible for most of the issues plaguing the universe could work, but only if it given proper attention and detail. The writers have successfully failed at doing this. This has caused Shadowlands to be the worse expansion, for me, due to this extreme drop in narrative quality.

It really feels like WoW heard Yoshi say "Endwalker will be a culmination of the past decade", and said "WELL THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF THE PADT TWO DECADES!" Blizzard has always been theives, but at least it used to be entertaining, pre Activision

He flipped three coins, while rolling 6 dice, while spinning the wheel of fortune, drawing a "you win" card from a deck of 278 pokemon cards, while pulling the crucial jenga piece out of the tower, watching the tower fall in the exact way onto the chess board that it'd only hit his opponent's black pieces off the board, all while actually playing Triple Triad all along.

7 minutes in and Jesse’s trauma from the Eternals ending is resurfacing. We all have PTSD from that plot point, but no one more than Jesse.

37:00 - 38:00 its the inherent problem they have with the story they want to tell. they have always said that there will always be alliance vs horde, the problem is to defeat the "big bad/big evils" we have to team up to beat them. so we have to learn to get together, but according to blizzard we always have to hate each other as well. the 2 ideas cancel each other out and make for reallly bad story telling

Imagine the main villain in your game being the villain because he "got lucky from billions of random bets". Jailer was literally opening lootboxes for legendary ultra rare sylvanis for years.

I love how all of this comes down to presentation. The Ascians did the throw a bunch of plans out and even failed a bunch of times, the void being a great example. Can you just imagine Lahabrea coming back to the convocation to explain that his God eating robot with a nuke in its chest plan failed and had to ask what other plans were available. "I am gonna steal a broken stick" "I like floods can we try that again but make it of light this time?" "Super pope!" And of course the sound of Emet Selch facepalming echoing through the room till someone suggests chemical weapons.

Yeah, I think Taliesin's take somehow makes the Jailer even worse than before for two reasons. 1. At least in the story as presented, Zovaal is ostensibly clever for pulling off this gambit. If he was was literally just throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what stuck, that just makes him a lucky idiot, not a dangerous mastermind. 2. Watching Tal's video gave me this awful premonition of the next 10 years of WoW being, "Oh no! One of Zovaal's Secret Lieutenants is trying to avenge his master! We have to find out what he's planning!" If Zovaal had ten thousand schemes that didn't go anywhere, then that's ten thousand plot hooks for future expansions, which just sounds awful.

The Jailer to me the ultimate example of Blizzard having the potential to do something interesting with something and just totally waste it. All of Shadowlands has that problem, but the wasted potential with the Jailer is almost... sad?? I can't even be mad at this point I'm honestly just sad at how the jailer has been wasted as a character

Crendor's going to need to react to this.... Oh, wait.

Metzen "Do not squander it, this legacy I leave you." Danuser "Der what? Make my waifu fanfiction a reality?"

Taliesin's argument that The Jailor has an infinite number of tries over an eternity to win "just once" is also very flawed. If he indeed has failed many times before, there's no saying that one of those failures won't be spectacular enough to raise suspicion amongst the leaders of the afterlives that "Hey, you know that guy we tossed into super hell many years ago? He might be up to something sneaky." For instance, I'm sure souls from the many worlds the Legion burned made it to the Shadowlands. And amongst many of those souls, I'm sure some would have mentioned dying at the hands of the Nathrezim or some brush with death-aspected or domination magic (kind of like how Devos saw the runes when viewing Uther's past.) Actually, come to think of it, with how Kyrians ferry souls to the afterlife, how did none of them ever once see domination runes on their trips to mortal worlds? We know that the souls of individuals who died to the Scourge did make it to the Shadowlands, so the Kyrian must have been on Azeroth and seen some of those runes on Scourge architecture. Yeah...Taliesin's argument makes little sense. Failing many times over an eternity and only needing to succeed once only holds water as a plausible argument for what's happening with the Jailor if there is a guarantee that there is no consequence for failing.

Only issue with Sylvanas & Arthas is, she wasn't there when he died. She decided to go see his corpse then saw Bolvar had replaced him, realizing there must always be a Lich King she realized it would never end, it meant nothing, all of what she did was pointless, so she jumped. Numerous things could have happened to stop her from deciding to go see Arthas' corpse which would have stopped that turn point. Like as an example, how literally no one was meant to know about Bolvar. But apparently no one bothered to guard the door lol

This is the only expansion I didn't even attempt to play and I have a wow tattoo that should tell you something

I feel the way Taliesin tries to explain it is that the Jailer is basically like Littlefinger from The Song of Ice and Fire. He also didn't have an exact plan on how to get the Iron Throne, but just saw opportunities and took them. He even took opportunities he didn't see the outcome of yet.

I think the biggest problem with all of Taliesin's takes is that they are, by neccessity, intradiegetic. The only way he can make the story make sense is by speculating from an in-universe perspective and working his way backwards to rationalize the events that take place. But no one really cares about that because in the end, it's a story written by writers, and it's just not enjoyable to the player. Simply put it doesn't matter if the story makes sense, or whether the plot has holes in it or not. What ultimately matters is how the story is experienced by the player, and that experience is... not good.

The jailer is a discount Sargeras. Honestly Shadowlands should have just been about dreadlords. I don't care about the jailer.

My concise take on The Jailer (and Shadowland's story in general) is as follows: Imagine if instead of slowly building both Thanos and the Infinity Stones up in the background of the MCU for over half a decade, it instead introduced both Thanos and the Stones in Infinity War. And then insisted that no, this is actually what the story had been building too all the time, using a bunch of hastily made and poorly thought out retcons to try to justify it. What makes this so infuriating is that Warcraft actually had a villain it had been building up in the background for years. And then they unceremoniously threw him out specifically so they could move on to Shadowlands instead. It also doesn't help that the Jailer feels like yet another Blizzard villain entry written by a "Generate A Generic Doomsday Villain" algorithm.

I said it before: but this reminds me of what Blizz did during vanilla WoW with the Old Gods. They wanted the Old Gods to be big deals, so they retroactively fitted the OGs into almost every storyline that had previously existed in the Warcraft games. As a wee 'un, I remember I was pretty annoyed by how blatant it was. "Oh, the Burning Legion was formed to fight the Old Gods? Sure, sure. Oh, Deathwing wasn't always evil, the Old Gods "corrupted" him? God, this is Kerrigan and Arthas all over again. Oh, the Old Gods made Illidan plant a new well of eternity? Why? Didn't he already have the motivation needed to do that himself being an arcane magic user? Oh, the Old Gods changed the exiled Kaldorei Highborne into the Quel'dorei? Wuh-why? The Old Gods created the Naga? But Azshara was already a super powerful sorceress, why couldn't she have done something like that herself? Oh also, because of the Curse of Flesh the old gods technically caused every mortal race on Azeroth to come into being? Okay, a bit blatant, I guess." People forget that all of this shit was just made up in WoW. Etc. I could go on. Then a decade passes, new storylines get written with them already in mind, and you eventually forget that at some point they were shoe-horned in HARD.

Tali's comment about fish boy N'zoth is referring to the fact that his voice and speaking pattern changed from what we had in warbringers, and what we got in BFA.

I don't play WOW and even I think this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And I fully understand the "plot" of Kingdom Hearts!

So the jailor just got lucky, is all this comes down to. He could have sit still, do absolutely nothing, and just randomly be freed eventually. Same thing.

The most unbelievable part to me is that this could be going on for _that_ long and not a single pawn let slip that Zovaal was up to stuff. I think of it like a Kingpin crime boss who is issuing out orders from the shadows but no one speaks his name. I just can't be convinced that there wasn't a single agent of his for eons that'd have a brief moment of loose lips.

fun fact for those who don't know when Jesse mentioned the open threads with FF14: for Endwalker specifically, a lot of the expansion was actually already planned out from the end of ARR to Heavensward. Yoshi P had made a comment about it a while ago in one of the Live Letters, and also had mentioned they tend to plan 2 to 3 expansions ahead from the one coming out. :) hope Jesse sees this

Jailer is just a sugar-free, gluten-free, vegan version of Thanos.

This was great! Wouldn't mind getting more of these!

If people want an example of a game series where the writing takes some 5D chess turns, they should check out the Legacy of Kain series. Those games are a true plot of convoluted but still planned and executed concepts. This Jailer nonsense, this is all just lazy writing. "You said it yourself, Kain. There are only two sides to your coin." "Apparently so. But suppose you throw a coin enough times. Suppose that one day it lands on its edge."

This is the scrutiny I've wanted on T&E's shilling videos.

I know nothing about WoW, never played it, yet here I am watching a 50 minute video about it only cuz it's Jesse. 😅

it seems like the defense taliesin and evitel is making here is that the jailer is actually soooooo powerful and rad that we can't even comprehend how long he's been scheming because we're insignificant compared to him... soooo what he's saying is... the events of the game we've been playing, and the story we've been following for 30 years are completely insignificant, and new writers came in and wrote a grimdark superpowerful zack snyder-ass god villain from before time existed that barely even fits thematically with the rest of the game, and that story, not the one we've been following, is the story about the people and events who had actual influence? aaaand that's this guy's DEFENSE of the story...?

tldr: the jailor just sits there and the universe aligns itself for him to be free. Like when everyone at the jail forgets to lock a single door.

the issue also with jailer "threw things at the wall to see what sticks" there are TO MANY literal declaration that this is the one and ONLY plan, chosen ones and azeroth being THE ONE titan of something. there is to much of it to explain it with a certainty trough trial and error.

I actually used this trope in one of my villains in a dnd campaign, it was a timeless, ageless creature whose only goal was to achieve mortality, he just wanted to die. During the campaing he started as a bored soul doing evil without caring, as he had done countless times already, but as the campaing progressed and some unlikely things started to happen (some caused by the players themselves) he began to turn into a maniacal figure. With every lucky shot, and every bet gone right he got more impacient and relentless, he just couldn´t belive his luck, he had gotten so far, he wasn't going to screw it up now, he couldn´t, god knows how many millions of years would have to pass for an opportunity like this to present itself again so, when the heroes finally stood ready to stop this murderous gambler, he fought with nail and teeth. In the end he was defeated, and he felt anger for the first time in millenia, he had failed countless times before, but never as close as he was to succes. However, after a while, he was filled with optimism, his goal was achievable, he almost got it once, now it was only a matter of time, and boy does he have enough time to shoot in the dark a few more million or billion times because, he will die, eventually. I´m not saying the Jailor should have been written this way, or that Blizzard intented this to be a caracter trope for his lamest villain yet, im just saying that there´s nothing wrong with having a lucky timeless being as a villain. The concept of timelessnes and eternity wil always face itself with the concepts of chance and probability, because no matter how unlikely the event could be, if the amount of time available is infinity it wil ALWAYS happen, its fascinating really, and having an inmortal gambler with infinte time to bet finally getting a wining streak could make for a really good character trope.

The problem with Tali's theory is it goes from "Jailer manipulated these events to his favor" to "Jailer has manipulated countless events in the timeline" which is SO MUCH WORSE. So not only is he behind things that led to now, but now has had influence over things that are seemingly unrelated :p

3:46 wait the blizzard devs do know that Titans DON'T go to the shadowlands when they die .....Right? they have their own afterlife that is completely separate from ours. 5:54 i wouldnt be surprised if the blizzard devs somehow try to sell us the idea that it was the jailer behind the void lords all along.

the baddie of BFA was Sylvanas. N'zoth was a tangent. That is how bad that expansion was. We don't even get a satisfying final boss. N'zoth should have had this expansion, but we 1 patched a fully powered eldritch monstrosity that had been hyped up for several expansions... instead of the bone lady who caused all the problems and that entire war.

There is no coin flip result that says "no more coin flips" before you get to ten. There is no horse race result on the first race that cancels the last five. The Jailor's plan of shotgun-blasting plot elements at random does have an overall fail state if he gets something too wrong. This is where the analysis breaks down. There are not just dead ends for The Jailor there are overall failure points. And those likely would outnumber the seeming few combinations that would succeed. Even more so if he's not planning this ahead. It's not coin flips or horse races- it's Russian Roulette. The more times he pulls the trigger, the more likely it all comes to a sudden and irrevocable end. So the video basically says that there isn't a master plan- there's a massive retcon by the lore writers because they have nothing going forward. But wait, he said The Jailer gets endless retries every time he fails. The idea that he can fail infinitely assumes no failures are so bad that he cannot recover. There is no reason to assume that. If we do assume that, then why bother with the lore at all? None of it matters. No resistance works. Making the core of your lore a nihilistic uselessness of all player actions isn't good lore, even if you could justify it, and I don't think you can.

25:07 We went from, "The Jailer has a plan," To "The Jailer is in jail, and has nothing but time. Literally."

The problem, cold and clear, is that we have not seen the Jailer's side in this or his failures. If we were introduced to Zovaal and his plans from his side, and this was a running weekly TV show or something where we watch him laze about in superhell while occassionally doing cool villain things, and then everything eventually starts tying together in the season finale, *that* could be fun. It'd be bullshit if literally everything worked, but yeah the concept would work because we'd have the context. Instead... We saw 10 heads in a row while knowing conclusively with evidence he only tossed 10 coins. Put another way, the jailer hasn't fucked up yet at all. "All according to keikaku."

As a Final Fantasy XIV player, watching this video just confirmed a theory I had for a while. Blizzard saw how well FFXIV has been doing, and have been trying to incorporate the story beats from it into WoW. The Jailer is literally just a much worse version of the Ascians. They both had one goal which involved somehow rewriting the rules of the world, they both had a hand in every bad things that happened in the story, they both have an eternity to achieve whatever goal it is they are planning to achieve. They both are just tossing things out there and seeing what will stick. But while the Ascians from as early as 1.0 have been in the shadows, creating chaos in the world in order to achieve their goal through the summoning of primals, the Jailer was introduced at the very end to clumsily tie the story of each expansion together.

He brings up Emet-Selch in the video and I actually think that's a pretty good comparison. He also had literally all the time in the world to plan and scheme in order to fulfill his desires but like Jesse said in the video the difference is he was basically just doing the same thing over and over again before Shadowbringers, which was founding huge destructive empires. Every time he tried to do so it didn't always end with him achieving his goals but a couple of times it either worked perfectly or came very close to working. He was just constantly flipping a large, very complicated coin.

"Listen to my 5Head plan and bask in its 4D chess greatness" - The Jailer, probably Venat : "Hold my mana potion."

See the biggest hole as i see it in Tali's reasoning is this; it's becoming increasing clear for the Jailers plan to work he needs Azeroths world soul *specifically* for his overall plan to work, it serves a purpose in the big cycle machine thing we don't yet fully understand. So for one of his first big major moves to be "Go encourage that other titan to go around killing planets with world souls willy nilly (particularly ones with old god infestations like Azeroth), seems just a liiiiittle bit counter-intuitive to the goal?

If he failed all these times, with this many attempts, with this many fingers in this many pies... how was there zero evidence until there needed to be to introduce the character?

Man. I just... cannot believe the WoW story. On paper, almost everything in the last two expansions could have been good. Could have been great. It takes a few tweaks here and there, and a reversal somewhere else. But they are so close, to something compelling and good. But on almost all of the options, they take the bad one, and the story just suffers so much. There are some really great things - but small things. And all the large stuff is just so... sad.

The whole lore is just OMEGALUL for me.

Im sorry, there is one Azeroth in the universe apparently. Its super special titan. So no, he had no place for error - if burning legion destroys azeroth - he is done, Zerath Mortis is finished.

Yeah even if someone says "you'd say anything negative about Shadowlands" most people like Denathrius and find both his design and character fun and enjoyable and they don't really explain why he's like that. It shows how bland the Jailer is

For me, WoW ended after Legion. I don't count the last 2 expansions as real.

I've said this before, and I say it again... so yeah, here it is: I used to think that Zovaal could be cool if given the time, and build up, that he required, like an Arthas for WoW 2.0. But I've come to the conclusion that if you have to thread a hundred needles for him to make sense, it's a bad idea and it would always feel contrived. Zovaal is the single worst thing to ever have happened to WarCraft lore. It is a total destruction and ruination of the once vast, diverse and mystical universe of WarCraft. The game has left me wanting for years, but the lore I have always loved, so fuck Steve Danuser, fuck him from the bottom of my heart.

I love listening to you go off on lore/story stuff! Always feels like a conversation I imagine I’d enjoy having with you, so I least I get to hear your perspective. Would love more lore/story centered videos/reacts.

If it's throwing spaghetti at the wall, then his planning completely fails to cover anything past this current point in the story. So when he inevitably gets killed in the raid it's not because we're powerful or tenacious or anything positive, it's because this whole time we were fighting a lucky idiot. And that's terrible to me.

I dunno I actually like their interpretation more because the retcon of "Jailer 5D Chess'd everything in WoW" takes away from the agency and circumstances the other characters had to make the choices they did. It shits all over the existing lore by tainting it as part of the Jailer's big break. But this interpretation of "The Jailer had his hands in things when he could get them, and waited for his opening" feels better because it doesn't recontextualize EVERYTHING, it adds a small detail here and there, but it doesn't take the agency from the characters who made certain decisions and shit on the lore in quite the same way.

This isn't how the Jailer worked like... At all. We're given zero indication hes been able to do anything like this. The denizens of the shadowlands are stunned hes done >anything< when we show up. Its clear this is his one, single plan and he calculated it to perfection because please god care about the story why is everyone unsubbing aaaaaaaaaa Hell his journal entry on the raid literally says hes "never known defeat" lmao

I mean, much of this sounds very much like their headcanon. As far as we know the Jailer didn't try a billion times to escape already.

The problem with Tali’s point is: he is using speculation to refute a speculative perspective. He is trying to short circuit one person’s logic using equally flawed logic because none of it is canonical because WoW writers are both cowards and incompetent.

"if you and i have been mortal enemies forever, and we went to the afterlife together, something tells me when we got back we wouldn't be mortal enemies anymore" nobody tell jesse that the cold war broke out almost immediately after WW2, his pure heart wouldn't be able to take it.

So basically the Jailer is Orgalorg from Adventure Time, open door philosophy.

The fundamental problem with comparison the coin toss example with and how the jailor supposedly did things is that with the coin tosses you have an infinite amount of shots at the goal which are all possible solutions. In an actual finite world, and at the scale the jailor operates he'd only have room for so many misguided attempts before everything permanently got away from him

Im glad you did this video because I have not been keeping up with the story.

I feel that comparing the jailer's plan to the probability of someone winning 6 horse races in a row, or getting 10 heads in a row is highly disingenuous. Those things are probable enough that they were *done*. Sure, it took 9 hours of filming to get 10 heads in a row, and sure, it took however many thousands of people to get someone to win 6 races, but the jailer's plan to me feels more like that old "get infinite monkeys typing on typewriters and give them infinite time that you'll certainly end up with a Shakespeare's play" idea.

Taliesin's talents really are wasted trying to make sense of WoW's writing.

I would watch you react to literally anything. Much love!

Throwing it out there, I know you've never been a reaction channel, but this was fun! Do please continue whenever it is you next find something that peaks your interest.

My big problem with the macro cosmos story is the sheer amount of retcons and lampshading needed to make it happen. If and only if the lead narrative writer had been the same dude for 20 years and had actually planned seeds to make this shit not ridiculous than maybe it wouldn't be silly.

Ok I just have one question regarding 30:45 , If the Jailer was taking as many opportunities as he could you would think someone on the outside would've noticed by now before his step by step plan actually worked.

Loved the vid

Within the first minute you put my back out with that AOL nostalgia. Thanks for that, I feel so old now 😅

One of the things I love about Jesse is that, when he is criticising someone's argument (actually criticising, not just memeing on it), he goes into teacher mode and directly focuses on the specific issue(s) in the argument, and makes note of those flaws, helping to avoid having his criticisms spill and overreach into other areas of the argument. I love it, cause I wish more people were like that, since I'm a super literal and direct-focus oriented person, so that is the best way for me to see an issue in my thinking

You can't compare the two because Derren Brown's tricks are not good ways of predicting races or to film 10 heads flipped in a row. The goal is to fool an observer about your capabilities. For this to apply to the Jailer his goal would have to be to fool someone into believing he's a genius for [whatever the fuck the plot is], not actually accomplishing [whatever the fuck the plot is]. Statistically, it's literally the least efficient way you could pursue a goal short of not trying.

The first 1 min of rambling and confusion is already worth it ! More please !

one tiny thing about dreadlords you struck on at 31:30 ish, we've learned in Legion that demons are just creatures that stuck around fel long enough to basically become infused by it so the writers incorporating that isn't a 9.0 thing entirely, it does touch on it. Like the eredar and felhounds and succubi, all of them were among the worlds the legion conquered and incorporated into their own, the dreadlords being creatures of the plane of death isn't more convoluted than the eredar being corrupted squid-goat-people.

Ngl, after watching some of Tali's livestreams it feels so weird to hear him described as positive. Enjoyed the reaction though. Also: a tik tok? When did that happen?

Sorry to say Jesse ive not watched your content in years, This is the first video ive seen of yours in ages and i remembered why i loved you man, Keep up the good work.

Happy to see more fun thoughts of yours on stuff, like wow

im so down for more Jesse Reacts

"The most positive beacons of positivity" Guess you're unaware of all the drama he's been in? Or him flipping at Asmongold?

Would love to see you do a reaction to the 10.0 leaks. Great vid Jesse. It's a real wake up call seeing the guy who helped get me into WoW also look at the lore and go, "This ain't it dog"

Jailer is such a mastermind, even Danuser dont know what hes up to!

Really enjoyed the reaction content from you Jesse!

a huge problem with the analogy used in the video is that a) magician has a clear plan with a goal and only battling probability, and b) there are way too few things that could actually destroy the arbiter and get us to the shadowlands to actually have million+ plans/attempts.

Go watch Tali's streams and see how much beacons of positivity they can be.

At least we got a really nice visualisation of that post from this.

This is the kind of content I subbed for lol your reaction to this reminds me of the old podcast days