I’ve been watching this sport for over 12 years, I’ve been supporting every single gymnast out there, enjoying their achievements and feeling sorry for their losses. But this… this is by far one of the most overscored gymnastics routines I’ve ever seen in my entire life.
I thinkkkk it could be to do with her artistry score? It was extremely high! Well deserved, she performed fantastically, but you could argue that floor then becomes more about dance than gymnastics.
Because this quad has shifted to emphasize more on dance and artistry. You won't scream for "overscoring" when she scored 14 with a 5.5D routine in Tokyo, only when she upgrades to one of the most difficult routine in this event final.
@@MusicalK93 Some WAG real licenced judges have spoken about that. People don't understand this code and simply target Jessica for her superior performance that the code wants. That's sickening. She's never missed any point on elongation, body posture, musicality, complex choreography like most gymnasts being deducted on those.
@@haydenturnbull5422 even Pasekas wasn’t overscored like this. I think that was the most scandalous overscoring in the Worlds history…. A shame for this beautiful sport
I think her leaps are the area where she most outshines Jordan and Jade. That straddle full turn perfectly stuck in the corner was great and her ring is fully executed. I would love to see the actual execution deductions. Her last pass landing was low with a big hop back and should have gotten quite a bit taken off.
She is so expressive in her face and dance, high energy, great tumbling (landings not perfect), and the choreography/music interpretation seamless. Well deserved gold, in my opinion. This quad is not all about tumbling.
As someone with no knowledge of gymnastics, I just asked on a forum how many points can be deducted for artistry under the current scoring guidelines. It's up to 1.2 points off the E score for artistry. That's why Jess won - under the old points system the result would be different, but with artistry being really valued now, Jess winning makes complete sense. Her landings might not have been as good, but she's not losing anything on artistry.
gotta question. when we talk artistry. I get Jessica used more classical dance. Jordan used more hip hop and drumline dance style. Both of them executed their artisty well. So if you are saying the judges deducted Jordan for that then the Judges need to educated themselves on dance and dance style because the younger gymnast are coming and these new dance styles are what they know. So the continued deduction and ignorance of judges for the old guard will have to stop.
@@christophermcmorris9146 It isn't about the style. Main thing is to hit the items in the COP and have to perform way more than the minimum. I congrat Jordan for her strong performance. I was always worried about, for example, (1) Jordan's lack of choreography touching the floor. Her (2) elongation and (3) footwork are also not comparable to Jessica.
@@juha962 It’s Jade and her father who protested I think for her L turn in order for Jade to have 0.100 points more which would put her above Jordan and in the first place at that point. The judges disagreed and in addition noticed in the slow motion that one of her other dance elements should have been downgraded as well. In appeals, execution score can’t change against the gymnast, but D-score can actually change if they find a mistake they hadn’t noticed in real time. So, Jade remained in second place behind Jordan but lost 0.100 points which put her in tie with Rebecca and since both had the same D-score and E-score well they tied in second place. Then Jessica came and pushed them all one place further as she took first place, Jordan 2nd, Jade and Rebecca third
I really like this routine. I think the artistry and choreography are fun. She definitely deserved to score that much higher than Jade with this code. However, I will say I’m surprised this scored almost four tenths higher than Chiles. I thought Chiles and Jessica would be so much closer, with it going either way.
She only scored 0.166 higher in execution. She had 0.2 difficulty on Jordan. Her floor is specifically designed for this code and has no built in composition artistry deductions. Being an amazing performer isn't the same thing as having a strategically designed routine for this COP. GB have a bug advantage in having Nicole as she composed all their floors and beams strategically. Nobody is doing that for the US. Jordan was excellent but it was an adapted NCAA routine so as good as she can perform and execute, she's going to be at a disadvantage unless USA get someone to live and breathe the artistry deductions. The USA programme let's the girls down in that respect, so that gives GB an advantage. 0.166 in execution isn't ridiculous as Jess had cleaner jumps and gets no artistry deductions more or less. It did seem like a big gap but less so when you take away the difficulty and only looking at 0.166 difference in scoring.
@@hydrosphere8447 hmm very true. When you break it down like that, that makes sense. I definitely don’t disagree with anything you said. I guess it gets a little confusing to people because like you said, Jordan’s routine is a hyped up NCAA routine but she performs it so well and had pretty good execution. It’ll be interesting to see what USA does in these next few years leading up to the Olympics.
@@a.mikhailov1928 definitively. I think the US will come back with more of a focus on the specific code for artistry, rather than just aiming for more artistic routines than previously, but I'd be surprised if they give it the focus GB does. It's also confusing as USA are so good at tumbling specifically and that's always the primary focus they put into routines. The jumps seem lower priority to them and its so much easier to spot issues with the tumbling than it is with leaps and definitely vs the super specific artistry deductions. Anyone with 4 tumbles to reach their difficulty is also at a disadvantage with more tumbles to deduct but also becomes harder to avoid artistry deductions for the fluency of the routine and for starting or finishing too close to acro. There's just less time to get those requirements in as there are deductions if it feels like the dance is just in between the tumbles rather than one big story. I really loved watching Jordan though. I think she was exceptional and such a great sportsman. She's just not set up for success quite as much so on par performances will always put her at a disadvantage for both artistry and difficulty.
okay artistry is SO subjective, two people could have the same amount of “artistry” but judges could find one style of dance better than another which is so fucked up… this just forces gymnast to create cookie cutter routines and then they will all look alike and therefore having NO artistry…
Except artistry has to be personalised, because no two gymnasts move the same way, or two pieces of music are the same. How Jordan dances is different from Jess, Jess from Rebecca etc. I actually think that if more routines used choreography that was considerate of their gymnasts style, it could be amazing. Just think about Rebecca's floor dancing section with flexed feet, it suits her and it's fun to watch. Increasing artistry should improve routines and avoid what's happened in vault where everyone literally does the same thing to try and win because there is no incentive to try and be more creative
I'm not an expert but I hope after this AG can bring better coreos for floor, recently it's been looking like tumbling + do whatever + tumbling instead of a full and cohesive choreography. I agree in terms of execution Jess was not the best but it's the performance I enjoyed the must (next to Rebe but it wasn't her day) and also as Jade stan I know she can bring an upgraded routine and I've seen her do this particular routine way better.
I watched Rebeca's routine. The artistic level is the same. I even think that she has a more beautiful and consistent choreography with music than Gadirova. In terms of execution, Rebecca doesn't make as many mistakes, in comparison, to get such a lower score on this routine.
@@liukin95 rebeca had a poor landing on the final pass and a poor completion of the Memmel that shoul have cost her the gold But Jessica also had two poor landings today (both on tumbling passes) and in general Andrade's form is superior. As for artistry I don't see the huge gap based on the checklist of where you could deduct for Rebeca that you wouldn't for Jessica. The problem is that even if Rebeca had done a clean Memmel and last pass she would have lost gold.
@@cscottrun23 Oh I'm not disagreeing that Rebeca is artistic, but to say one is more artistic than the other is like... 🤷🏻♂ how does one even come to that conclusion lol.
Regardless of overscoring, this was still the winning routine. No one landed particularly well in the final and with her leaps and choreo being THAT much better, she really danced the fuck out of this routine. She deserves her glory and people need to stop raining on her parade!!
I actually wonder if it worth getting the skill named after her as she gets at least 0.3 deductions on the shape (im not a judge and don’t understand the code but I’ve seen people say that) untill she upgrades to a moors
Such an artistic work from Jessica! This routine follows the new trend of combining artistic presentation, good dance element and difficult acrobatics.
I watched this live with a considerable about of scoring experience and with the 0.5 downgrade most gymnasts in this final received I was expecting a 13.6/7 which would have been around 4th place. wayyyyy overscored. Well done Jess it was an amazing routine and it’s not her fault she was overscored the judges were just so wrong
@@leykimayri I was going off everyone’s previous scores in quals, all around, team finals and everyone’s were considerably lower than their other floor performances where as hers were virtually the same
Acho que ela merecia um 13.8 a 13.9... o problema é que garfaram a Rebeca, a Jade Carey e principalmente a Jordan Chiles. Terem diminuido a nota da Jade foi quase como um "cala a boca".
She deserved the gold medal. All the US stans and Andrade fans (and I love the US gymnasts & Andrade) who're crying "overscored" can do one. Go and read the code of points, learn how the emphasis on artistry and dance is being pushed in this new code, then come back and see if you still hold the same opinion.
Andrade’s and Jordan’s routines were definitely artistic. I would even go as far to say SUPERIOR in artistry compared to Jessinflation Gadirovascored but that’s just my opinion. The artistry deductions are SUPPOSED to be *objectively* applied but they are applied *subjectively* for more socially accepted forms of artistic (i.e. “BaLlEt”)
@@tambam6744 I suppose when it comes to the CoP and how the judges are mean't to be judging the routines in this code, your opinion doesn't really amount to anything.
Likely people will have the same opinion, and scream for "overscoring" for the rest of the quad lol..... Judges are hammering poor dance elements and artistry, while Jessica performed these dance elements so well not to mention her artistry.
I am really pleased with the emphasis on artistry in this cycle. There is already a separate sport of tumbling for gymnasts that don't excel in dance elements but hopefully this will signal a return to high class total performances that have gradually phased out over the last few years apart from occasional exceptions. I think people are starting to understand finally that artistry doesn't mean waving the arms around or facial expressions but complete body engagement including the core as well as a fluid performance where the dance and tumbling are not disconnected elements. Beam and floor were starting to get a bit boring in recent years but hopefully this signals a change. Jordan Chiles was deservedly better than Carey today but even her dance to me is NCAA not elite. I am guessing she also received deductions for lack of leg and core elements in dance. If Saraiva or Andrade had been on top form/present today, they would have beaten Jess as they also have the full package but with higher difficulty.
There is this whole thing called dancing that you can watch if you are most interested in artistry and expression. Having a little bit of deduction for subpar artistry is okay I guess, but having 1.2 potential points of artistry deduction to where it is almost *more* important than the tumbling is a disservice to everyone. Go watch the Tokyo floor finals. Other than Jade (I loved that routine of Jade's, but I'm aware that most people don't), every other routine is beautiful in artistry and expression, they didn't need an absurd code to make that happen. A gorgeous, expressive, charismatic routine like Jordan's should not be getting more artistry dedcutions than Jess Gadarova's! For the record, I love both gymnasts, and my issue is with the code, not the gymnasts.
The problem is artistry is incredibly subjective. To me, Jordan’s choreo displayed just as much artistry. However, the judges panel doesn’t seem to value contemporary dance as they do more classical styles. This to me presents a very clear and significant problem. How can you fairly score routines on artistry when two equally exciting and engaging floor routines are valued completely differently? The sport should be encouraging diversity in artistry if they’re going to be scoring artistry to begin with. It’s honestly troubling to see urban/contemporary choreo like Jordan’s so underscored. It’s not fair.
I didn't find the artistry of this routine superior to the others. Generally, I find British floor routines exagerated and not very connected to the music.
My two cents. Two of her three tumbling passes she stumbled and were not good. But she ends up with a gold medal? Why is hip hop dance like Jordan did undervalued vs classic ballet moves? There needs to be a conversation about this with judges and gymnastics federations around the world. If they want this to become rhythmic gymnastics 2.0 then they should announce it. Sports like gymnastics and figure skating can risk becoming too subjective when athletes make obvious mistakes and win when other athletes with different styles, body types and cleaner passes lose. Just saying
@@riquebusta8652 And Jessica’s 3 pass routine had a D-score of 6.00, which is HIGHER than the D-score that Jordan or Shilese or Jade even had. So if Jessica had had a 4th pass that would probably give her an even higher D-score like a 6.3 or 6.4, so what’s your point? The only surprise is that people comment online when apparently they have NO IDEA about gymnastics.
@@leykimayri you read my point and then went on to talk about D scores. Not once did I state here that Gadirova should not have won. Now please what is YOUR point
People upset at the score, clearly don’t understand how gymnastics judging works under the new Code of Points. It’s not just about ‘steps on landings’, it’s about the artistry requirements, which Jess G excels at compared to other finalists (except Andrade, but she didn’t have a great routine today). 11 fully-qualified FIG judges, who judge elite gymnastics for a living, sat on that panel (none from GB, BTW), including 6 looking at E score alone. Are you seriously suggesting they’re all wrong in their application of the Code, and you’re right?! Give your head a wobble. USA has been using their POWER AND TUMBLING as a way to skate by. Not this code, not today! Murdered. lol I live.
they are phenomenal, judges are basing their scores on what they see there and then and don't have the privilege of watching it again and again to criticise or see on a small screen which we do, so stop all the nit picking you lot what armchair critics you are
I don’t think this is overscored. She had one of the more difficult routines with two H tumbling passes and the final one with the added connection is quite difficult too, not to mention she didn’t cowboy her legs at all in the double tuck which makes the skill considerably less ugly. Her leaps were executed beautifully and so was her choreography and this CoP has an emphasis on artistry. The only main deductions were her form on the first two tumbles
Urazova received a high E score in 2021. She lost on difficulty. She had a 5.3 D score vs. Wong’s 5.7, Melknikova’s 5.6, and Murakami’s 5.8. Gadirova had a 6.0 D score, the highest of the competition. Neither Carey nor Andrade received the 6.1 D score that they received on their previous routines this worlds. Now, I personally think that you could make a case for Urazova deserving an E score at least four tenths higher than Wong’s, but with her D score, the best that she could hope for was bronze. Incidentally, Urazova’s 8.4 E score was 0.2 higher than Gadirova’s 8.2.
About the Chiles routine, very charismatic, but... it was more about the charisma than the choreography. Still, the Gadirova routine doesn't deserve such a high score. The biggest controversy here for many is between Gadirova and Chile, but I think Rebeca deserves the gold medal, and it's not because I'm Brazilian. (And i re-watched Rebecca routine, she really don't deserve to win. Sorry for this noise). Maybe Jessica herself, but not with her over-inflated score.
Rebeca got rightfully deducted for falling out of her Memmel and plus her landings were not as solid. So yes, you are saying Rebeca deserved the gold because you're Brazilian. Don't lie to yourself.
