Jesus and psychedelics in ancient times | Brian Muraresku and Lex Fridman 

Even more impressive with Brian is how he can accurately pronounce words in all those languages. I heard him pronounce in Arabic and had to confirm if he has an arab ancestry

Amazing

Jordan Peterson interviewed this geezer a year ago

I need help honestly ik Jesus is real cause predictions , and celebrities selling their soul but I need to know the real truth I have been studying and this sounds legit but we’ll find out one day

His knowledge on language and its interaction with the New Testament is actually weak. He says the NT doesn't reference the word alcohol, which is because it references "wine" which he acknowledges later. The word he is interpreting as "drug" is only used in a negative context in the NT. In other words "dont do it". Further, Jesus spoke Aramaic and was confined to Second Temple Judaism under Roman rule. His story was eventually translated into Greek for new converts. But to look at his Jewish life under Roman rule through a Greek Dionysian lense is a massive mistake. These are just some of the reasons scholars widely reject these theories that remain dead in Biblical scholarship but alive in public imagination.

The best hot take ever

You must be from the south

😂

You won the internet for me today!

@@ianpyle6670 Oklahoma.

Not sure where you're getting these words from?

Everything we see or touch is just sound and light (I still have a hard time believing it though.) Where can I find the information you mentioned?

@Oliver Abbot I'm interested, and would like to know more. Where did you get the information? I had always taken the Lord's Prayer mostly literally. Thank you 🙏

@Oliver Abbot Thank you, Oliver, for taking the time to explain that so well. I appreciate it ❣️

Give me a freakin’ break. What? Sorcery friend. Careful. Oh yeah. Bad stuff. Been down that road. Do a U turn while you still can.

@@samsungtelevision695 acacia gum is a good reference to check out..I can't find the ref to teas atm

@@solshine41 ok thanks for replying. It you do stumble across it and could reply here some day I’d appreciate it. Very interested in any psychedelics available in ancient times outside of the americas

Exactly! The DMT released from the smoke of the Desert Acacia was the source of Moses’ visions at the burning bush! The desert acacia wood was revered as so holy, it was used for the Ark of the Covenant.

I have used syrian rue to make dmt its perfect

The architecture, the stained glass windows, big choirs/orchestras.. Imagine living your life as it would be in ancient times without as much to stimulate your senses, and getting to go to one of these Mosques or Churches to drink the body of Christ (or whatever means they had to make you trip). Seeing these massive architectural geometric shapes surrounding you covered in paintings and murals, this neon-glow-like colourful lighting radiating all around you, and the sounds of choirs filling a massive hall, all while feeling like you're in an alternate dimension.

The fungus, even in micro amounts, always makes me more aware of an I ln visibile, or spiritual all around us, but not visible with our eyesight. Just a intuition or it makes me ponder these ideas far more than normal with our being sad of those past or any fear.

Idk if i am to believe you are it's all cap

@@yodaedits416 I don't care whether you do or not. I wouldn't have wrote it if it weren't true.....

@@WSmith_1984 I dont mean it in a judgmental way, because this is profound information.

@@yodaedits416 I hear you..... and like I said, whether you believe it or not, it does not change the fact that I did in fact experience this..... this wasn't the only thing as well...... I was staying at a b and b at the time, there's was a guy who stayed there that I rarely spoke with as I didn't really like his character..... but while there, I was being shown a motorbike in the visions, two days after this experience a man pulled up to deliver 2 motorbikes to the guy who was staying at the b and b...... again if I didn't experience this, I would not be sharing this information. Peace, power and freedom to you and yours.

RIP

Just finished the audiobook. Fascinating stuff.

@@tedgunderson67 can one be humble and pretentious at times? He was kinda showy at times, but that could have been excitement and that ignorance all humans suffer from in some manner. I felt the same reading the comment, but sitting here high got me pondering. Perception is a mofo...

@@tedgunderson67 Intriguing that you've come to hold such a view of Terence. I listen to his talks a lot and to me, he appears mostly as quite humble. He even repeatedly makes it a point that he is just an ordinary person who has experienced extraordinary things, and often makes fun of himself. I think he can come across as intimidating to some because of his enormous active vocabulary, but that's by no means pretentiousness, he was just a sincere lover of words and phrases and let it show.

@@tedgunderson67 I appreciate your balanced response 👏

I do not understand why they are talking about wine and belief and things that happened in a supernatural way, I mean the Bible advise even to avoid drunk people, not only not drinking wine. Are they trying to infer that the supernatural is actually a bunch of drunkards?

@@AgainstThisWorld I don’t know. But often we project: “I took a substance and saw wheels within wheels, therefore the prophets who saw wheels within wheels *must’ve* taken the same substance also.”

@@AgainstThisWorld Jesus literally turned water into wine and often was integral in people getting hammered

Caterpillars, sharing tall tales of flight. For the people who want to understand the flight of butterflies, know two things: 1) A caterpillar can do nothing to know flight, except give up their caterpillar life. 2) Once a butterfly, you'll be a heretic to the caterpillars, and their tales will no longer move you. So if you value community over truth, it's better to join the choir and start preaching, like Neander here. You won't know what you're talking about, and you'll have to shut your eyes to not see this. Choose wisely and with courage. (There's also the path of solitude, where you admit your ignorance to yourself and others. You'll still be a caterpillar, but not one full of bs.)

@@matteyas in your anti-preaching sermon, you made it sound like all people who have not seen sublime realities without the use of drugs have opted for a diluted truth, and that all choirs are blind. I’ve had the “courage” to try various methods, but it took more courage and will to listen to the desert poets and follow their path past the noise of pseudo-enlightened taunts.

lots of I doubts and its likely and lots of ambiguous information delivered as fact. you're trying to convince yourself unfortunately.

Christianity is a sincretism of older tradition that you call pagan.

@@andresvallelisboa5511 This may be true for “American Christianity”, but, not true for those who are “followers of the Way”.

@@ALTheFreeMan Which way?

@@andresvallelisboa5511 Followers of Christ.

What’s it called?

@@aidenn4929 The Immortality Key

Υπάρχει κάπου στην Ελλάδα κάτι τέτοιο;

WARNING: A doorway to a demonic dark world.

@alexandra I’m intrigued, do you mind me asking your professional background and what the path to becoming a PAPT looks like?

I'm rooting for you, you will succeed!

@@djbass7672 Δεν εχω ιδέα, ζω στο εξωτερικό. Ολλανδία, Ελβετία, Καναδάς, ΗΠΑ είναι σιγουρα τα πιο μπροστα μερη σε αυτο. Ισως σε κανα (10?) χρονια να ερθει και στην Ελλαδα. 😛Θα ερθει βασικα καποια στιγμη σίγουρα, ίσως και πιο νωρίς.

It’s always refreshing to hear people who are plain-spoken. Wine is just rotting grapes. Compared with mushroom wine, alcohol wine is basically just poisonous nasty grape juice.

If you read Mary's story you would see that see was mad at all the apostles because they built churches! That was not Jesus will. They messed a lots of his teaching up because of ego

@@deadhole5743 Where exactly can you read "Mary's Story"? This sounds interesting

@@marvellous9652 it's called the gospel of Mary :) you can find it online n.n

@@deadhole5743 the Gospel of Mary is non canonical and believed to have been written 200 years after Mary’s life and death. That being said i would not say that the Gospel of Mary is a good resource for seeing what Mary believes.

Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.

LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."

[_James_tray] Got psychs

@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?

@@Jerryberger9235 yes

​@Marty McK Will do

It battles today. Some people work where they like as they are best at what they do they also enjoy doing it. Then you have people hating their job but its good pay so they continue to do it even if they suck its the money they get.. seems like this problem has been around even back then. 😅😂 can correlate that individualism and centralism able to do all hating it and decentralism where if you are good at that do that dont do what you suck and hate.

@@moonman6113 your reply makes absolutely no sense given the context of the original post you were responding to ... It's incoherent, meandering, seemingly off topic, and I'm loving every bit of it. 😂

More like an alien with higher levels of consciousness and spirituality.

Of course a christian shouldnt be surprised by this. After all, the christian story is just a combination of other religions especially greek and egyptian. The story, the mysteries, almost everything actually has been found on text long before christ.

Read the psychedelic gospels. It was not bread and the wine wasn't alcohol

​@@living_in_revelation Ayahuasca?

@@Zenith6000 mushrooms. Its explained in the book the psychedelic gospels

Might not be the best idea 😂😂😂

The original language of the New Testament is Greek.

Not funny. Seriously.

@@weedeeohguy for you.

@@weedeeohguy I mean i can see where that comes from. Like a spiked beer… would upset worlds.

If not warned.

Although this may be true, modern day priest molest little boys and other atrocities occur in religious groups. To say things were prohibited hundreds of years ago means nothing. In my opinion anything is possible when it comes to religious history.

@@Mannyr-bu7qv Yes,even today molesting children is still prohibited by every religion. Not sure your point.

Lol hell yeah xD

I think the masks would send me over the edge way before the violence lol

You don't need anything to disprovethe bible, it disproves itself.

@@aeriagloris4211 In what ways exactly?

More bullshit!

May I ask what the name of your father's book is?

@@rickymatovu867 The Anointed Ones

Maybe try sending him a message on his social platforms??

I’m going to buy this book now, thank you

@@Novastar.SaberCombat I’m a fan of the idea that things are real. No supernatural and no magic potions. Water into wine would have meant bs into reality and is something terrestrial. Many people today turn wine into water.

Imagine Jesus was just some bloke who knew couple of tricks, one day he turns water into wine and kicks off the whole Christianity thing :D

Funny af tho

Agreed

I agree

Spot on Gary s

they were simple fishermen or laborers. no one who held jobs like that spent any time being educated. they learned from their fathers. illiterate sounds bad but it just means certain things haven't been shown to you yet, doesn't mean you wouldn't understand it

Matthew was a Publican, a tax collector. Hardly an illiterate man and the author of one of the gospels.

@@johnwheeler1733 most were literate because of the Torah. Matthew was a tax collector, hard to be one when illiterate. Bartholomew was a scholar and had royal blood, royal family was almost always literate.

⬆️⬆️👆👆👆 f0r your shro00ms and psyched stuffs 🍫🍄

Tenet?

Can I get some more details on that? Psychedelic beer is calling me

@@samsungtelevision695 SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS Found on early Christian churches, but many think it is older.

Nicely put. Thanks for the clarification. As usual, people see what they want to see - hear what they want to hear.

How do you know that he was not on drugs? Regardless of that specific instance, there's no point in discussing linguistics any longer. We know they were on drugs: "Ancient wine was frequently combined with other substances, including what we would today call “recreational drugs.” The surviving textual record offers ample proof of this but, as classicist Carl A. P. Ruck and a handful of others discovered, purely textual evidence was easy to dismiss or, worse, simply ignore. Now, however, the latest techniques of archeological analysis have *confirmed the presence of other intoxicants in Greek wine,* to the point it is simply incontrovertible."

Sorry, you are incorrect. You don't know what you're talking about

For anyone who wonders if this comment holds any ground, ChatGPT 4o says this: "The comment by @eugeniaberdali9711 presents a perspective on ancient Greek terminology and practices that differs from Brian Muraresku's. Here’s a breakdown based on available evidence: Terminology for Wine: The commenter argues that the ancient Greeks used "oinos" for pure wine and "krama" for wine mixed with water, rather than "pharmakon." This is supported by sources indicating "oinos" was the standard term for wine. "Pharmakon" typically referred to drugs or potions and was not commonly used to describe wine​ (Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange)​​ (Bible Hub)​​ (Wiktionary)​. Wine in Eleusis: The prohibition of wine in Eleusis aligns with historical accounts of the Eleusinian Mysteries, where certain substances, including wine, were restricted to maintain ritual purity. This aligns with the sacred nature of the rites performed during these mysteries​ (Wikipedia)​​ (World History Encyclopedia)​. Concept of Madness: The term "madness" in the context of Dionysian rituals often referred to states of divine inspiration or ecstasy rather than drug-induced madness. Ancient texts describe these states as overwhelming inspiration or divine frenzy, which could be achieved without the use of psychedelics​ (Wines of Greece)​. Dionysus and Wine: The comment that wine represented the essence of Dionysus, rather than his literal blood, is consistent with historical interpretations. The symbolic consumption of wine as a means to commune with the god reflects the spiritual and symbolic role of wine in Dionysian rituals, rather than a literal interpretation​ (World History Encyclopedia)​​ (Wines of Greece)​. Overall, the comment by @eugeniaberdali9711 appears to have a strong basis in historical terminology and practices, providing a valid counterpoint to some of Muraresku's interpretations." I would take it all with a large grain of salt, but you might consider it for whatever it's worth.

Yes that would be interesting!

Only one narrative allowed here.

Yes please!!!! Then you would know he isn’t just one sided and controlled media. Let the REAL CHRISTIANS SPEAK

@@Pyryp2 He proved himself as unable to have a professional debate long ago.

@@trip4923 Who?

To not inherit the kingdom of heaven ≠ sin

Sources?

@@Percules15 Josephus is a good place to start.

If you're interested in this subject specifically, madness, you should pick up a very special book called Jonathan strange & Mr norrell.

Yes, he's just saying the concept of alcohol as the distinct common active ingredient in different beverages may not have been known.

@@DC-lf5po pour me a glass!

Exactly, the modern man only understands what resonates with them and nothing more

Isn’t a religious person doing just that too?

@@AmiteshMukherjee20 As if the drug-taker seeking nirvana and transcendence isn't religious.

@@StatiCRjm The irony of your comment is embarrassingly hilarious

@@fakename5308 and you didn't expound on why.

​@@DC-lf5po I certainly see your point but I also think the entire story, history, and religion surrounding Jesus and Christianity has been ruined by 2000 years of corruption, lies, and false interpretation.

@@DC-lf5po The amount of evidence that Jesus not only lived, but spent a majority of his early and later life in India is IMO undeniable. Highly recommend you read "Jesus Lived in India" with an open mind and then tell me that there's no record of his life. I think much of the record of his life has been hidden by the church as a means of manipulation. It wouldn't look to good for the Vatican if people started to realize Jesus was a preaching Buddhism.

Man, how bad do people not want Jesus to exist. The more reason to believe he does.

The reason why it is not popular is that scholars don’t agree it is correct. Fools believing this trash.

@@DC-lf5po I guess you're the enlightened one. To call Christianity is a cult? Go figure the logic.

In american the call medicine drugs

What doesn’t make sense is that according to this video, apparently Christians used psychedelic wine yet at the same time in the Bible were told to not partake in sorcery which is pharmakeia. I’m so lost

I loved this! Thank you both, excellent peace.out 🇳🇴!

The official anthropological explanation is the later, plus it made it nutritious at the same time. Regardless, animals in general, not just humans, have been getting drunk on fermented fruit for EVER.

@@DC-lf5po the docu a watched on davinchi said he painted Jesus the way of what his lover looked like but of course the Catholic Church doesn’t like gay even tho look at their own news... plus my dads middle eastern and very dark not this olive tan Italian

Amen, brother!

If jesus existed he didn't willingly go looking for drugs. the burning Bush is the acacia Bush rich in dmt which when burned changed his life.

@@heresjohnny602 Jesus didn’t find the burning bush, Moses did thousands of years prior to Jesus walking the earth. There is zero evidence that the bush was an acacia bush, because they also argue that it might have been a yew bush. Both claims are baseless speculation, which is fine and fun, but they still go directly against all Christian teaching that drugs are witchcraft and are to be avoided in all situations.

@@saltysaints7125 Never said he did find it so calm down. He still had an experience in his life that reflects psychedelic consumption. More to the point jesus is a combination of two ancient sumerian words that mean mushroom that grew in sumar at the time, if you knew anything you'd know that witchcraft is from an ancient Greek word that means medicine. Mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca of the amazonians are all used now in the advanced treatment of conditions of mind and body that 3000 years ago would be deemed possessions of the spirit. Unless you're a Christian scientist Christianity doesn't and has never advocated against medicine. So respectfully you are talking nonsense.

@@heresjohnny602 You may not have meant to state that Jesus encountered the burning bush, but that is how your post was structured. Jesus is not the mixture of two Sumerian words, because Jesus isn’t a real name. His name was yeshua or y’shua, which is where we derive the name Joshua. In Galilee, they would have called him yeshu, dropping the “a”, because they pronounced things different than those in Jerusalem. The Bible is written in Greek, because that was the common language used in Roman occupied cities, and Greeks don’t end proper names with Vowels, so they added a sigma to the end of the word, making the name, or Jesus. We call him Jesus to signify that he is different that other Joshuas. And Christianity has not had a stance against Medicine, but using mind altering drugs for exposure to the spiritual realm. Which it most certainly has always been against (Galatians 5:19-21).

@@heresjohnny602 And a agree that the Greek word means medicine, but that’s not how it’s used contextually biblically. We know that Luke, one of the authors of the gospels was a doctor, so it’s obviously not rooting out medicine. Witchcraft is often used in tandem with the idea of mediums and contacting spirits. I can use the word pills to mean Tylenol or ecstasy. The context matters.

Pray about it my guy. Genesis 1-27 “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them” You are but a reflection. Much love

Make that reflection what you want it to be

@@bradleyrosett2184 Thank you sir

Not surprised. Perhaps it’s not an evil dream as you may assume at first. Perhaps the meaning behind it is to tell u the muslim belief. That Jesus peace be upon him, the messiah son of Mary is no more than a prophet of god, a man from amongst us chosen by god, born from Virgin Mary. We don’t believe him to be God.

@@sule2318 God is everyone and everything to me honestly. I am not a Christian, nor a Muslim, but when thinking about the fact we are built up from the most basic materials in this universe, and the fact the universe is everything and can be considered “God” it would mean we are God, and God is us. It is more of a Buddhist way of thinking, and I tend to go towards that direction.

right. Also the eucharist is foreshadowed pretty heavily in the OT, a lot of these people jump on Greek mytery cults for explanations when these were Jews who were intellectually and spiritually connected to the Old Testament and Jewish tradition. Almost everything in the NT recalls something from the Old, but it's less work and more excitement to attribute everything to psycadelics

How do you come to that conclusion?

@@DvitusR Is that not the implication? That they mass-hallucinated Jesus’ resurrection?

@@PaulWallification no hahaha jesus himself barely has anything to do with it, read the book or a longer podcast, Jordan Peterson has a good one with Brian, the implication is much more complicated and profound than that.

@@DvitusR Ok, care to summarize the heart of what he’s saying/suggesting?