Jesus, Gun Control, & Capital Punishment 

Thanks. I wish they’d just cut out all the nonsense intro.

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Yeah it's horrible here in Canada. I'm in AB.

PEI for me.. aka Alcatraz! If you're canadian, you dig apologia, and you dig guns, check out Raging Dissident.. some good folks in that community @@winburna852

Simple solution. Move to a place that allows you to carry :)

"simple" spoken like someone who lives in a country where people actually have rights!! @@krisssilco

Before we talk about other issues, are we in agreement that murdering babies should be illegal for everyone and that our laws should reflect that?

@@zacharyconover4444 well absolutely. I’m not against equal protection bills. I’m for them. This isn’t a gotcha question. When I try to talk to fellow Christians, these are the arguments I’m encountering that I don’t have a good answer for. What the people are getting at is that if we (abolitionists) are going to argue for equal protection and capital punishment for the mother based on God’s law, then are we also willing to issue capital punishment for adultery, fornication, and homosexuality based on God’s law? If we aren’t, then the response I get is 1. We’re hypocritical, 2. We aren’t really arguing for equal protection and punishment based on God’s law, and 3. All we really care about is punishing someone (the mother). I’ve tried explaining that we’re discussing murdering an innocent human being versus sexual immorality. I’m not condoning sexual immorality but I’m making the case that abortion is more grievous due to the taking of an innocent life. In spite of those points, the people hold steadfast to their original counter arguments.

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:18‬ ‭ [18] Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. This is what I believe is the difference between the capital punishment of Murder and living in sexual immoral sin

@@timpeleki3054 you’re right, I agree with you. But if we’re going to say that since we’re not abolishing the Old Covenant and that is where God says to stone adulterers and homosexuals along with capital punishment for murder/abortion, then how can we Biblically advocate for one without advocating for the other? These are the questions that “pro-life” Christians are asking.

@@Coal_Burner I don't know if I'm doing this right but I'll give it a go: ‭‭‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:21‭-‬22‬ ‭ [21] “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ [22] But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:19 [19] For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. Now all deserve hell but murder is under a governing authoritative law. ‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:1‭-‬4‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [1] Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. [2] Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, [4] for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Which at the moment seems inconsistent, but historically the first century would have been way worse than today. And the going on to say: ‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8‭-‬10‬ ‭ [8] Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. [9] For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [10] Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. But abortion has turned against the authoritated law of the punishment for murder. So it must be up to the Christian to plead the case of fatherless, within the authority of the governing law, and to unvail the truth of abortion which is murder and not a reproductive right. Using the word of God as a standard morral foundation of the authoritated governing law. And that's bout the best I can do at 2:00am at work lol

If you read the second chapter of the Didache actually condemns abortions. If you don't know what the Didache is, it's a 1st century document giving instructions on Christian living

The didache specifically mentions abortion.

Romans 13 Paul says the government is to use the sword on evildoers. Verse 4 says he does not bear the sword in vain. This gets into sphere sovereignty because in Romans 12 Paul is rebuking Christians to not seek personal vengeance for vengeance is from the Lord then he goes into chapter 13 because executes vengeance through his servant which is the word in the passage which is the governing authorities. Governing authorities have been setup by God to push back against total depravity and keep people from living their most unrestraint versions of themselves

@@kieffergilbert6146 I appreciate your perspective and understand that you approached that passage faithfully. I’m just going to disagree that Paul was advocating for the death penalty by simply using language that had to do with government authority as he knew it. Execution was quite common in Rome so it makes sense to appeal to that language when simply talking about the government making judgment. Like in the video when they brought up Acts 25. The fact that Paul said he was willing to face the legal consequences of his actions didn’t mean he supported the death penalty. If I had a speeding ticket I felt was unjustified, and I said: “If I really was speeding I will pay the ticket” that does not mean I necessarily support the system of traffic tickets just that I’m submitting to that authority I’m under.

Difference between individual retribution or vigilantism and government executing justice. Why do you think the new covenant abolishes the Law of God? I can’t find that verse.

@@johnQadams107 I didn’t say it did

@@bryanscottmills Sorry, I inferred from your initial comment that the new covenant establishes new laws, hence no death penalty for the things that warrant the death penalty per the OT.

Paul says he’s not under the law in regards to justification. The law is still applicable and valued to live by, by not to be justified by. We are saved by grace through faith, and it’s in response to Gods grace that we find joy in adherence and proclamation of his law.

@@AlignWithJesus We are not justified nor SANCIFIED by the law.....Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? When Paul says I am not under the law that's just what he says. If your adding "for justification" your implying a theological concept over the text. Now I'm sure we can both agree that there is no flesh that is justified by the law. The the issue at hand is are we under the Law of Moses at all. The answer is no. We are under the law of Christ. What justification does anyone have to chop the law of Moses up into three parts and make the claim we are still under 1/3 of it? After all all if it was moral for Israel.

Thou shalt not murder. Kjv was wrong to say kill

Read the next page: there are instructions on how to kill (capital punishment) so obviously in co text it’s murder not killing that is prohibited

I've read it multiple times. I'm a Calvinist.

@@Brandon.Germany not really my point Calvinist say God is sovereign over all things even the evil and no one can thwart Gods will yet when evil finally comes and happens in our own country it’s like Calvinists forget their own theology and doctrine and throw it out the window and start trying to stop what God has clearly set in motion they actively try and thwart the evil that God has set in motion for this generation to experience and only God can stop what is happening but it seems like Calvinists just suddenly contradict themselves all the time evil actually happens when they know God is the one who made it happen and is the only one who can stop it instead of praying to God they complain and freak out saying we need to stop this yet forget their own theology

@@Brandon.Germany they act like Job in the earlier chapters where Job complains and accuses God by saying he lets those who do evil run free yet he afflicts the righteous and doesn’t spare them

@@Brandon.Germany Job even went as far as accusing God of injustice by saying in later chapters that God has wrongful afflicted him will you people do the same and have God humiliate you?

@@Brandon.Germany Jobs problem was that he let his affliction get the best of him and while he begged for God’s counsel he began to judge and blame God while his friends were also speaking of things they didn’t understand they accused Job of being unrighteous and did not comfort him while Job was not unrighteous they all had no clue as to why God had afflicted him though at the time he did not sin therefore their counsel was useless because they simply did not have the answers to Jobs affliction and assumed Gods character testifying for God on his behalf without any true knowledge of God’s authority

And definitely not any democrats - no godly values in either party

But God can use the ungodly to further his kingdom, for his purposes…Cyrus, Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar are just a few examples.

True. Anyone looking into the Solidarity Party?

What does this even mean? Hell is a delusion? So is it real or not? Also, God is eternal so all is eternal?? So Jesus is also eternal? You were literally arguing with me, trying to convince me that Jesus is not eternal. Do you know what eternal means? It is more accurately defined as being transcendent of time. God ALONE is eternal because He had no beginning. He IS the Beginning of everything, but without a beginning Himself. That makes Him eternal. Every other thing had a beginning, so by definition, is NOT eternal.

@@abbyboat5730 How can you say that when we do not even understand what "time" is in the eyes of God? Have you ever realized that the promise to us is *eternal life,* yet we are finite beings with a beginning? How is that possible? It is possible with God. All things that consist of God [which is everything] will live on forever--either in eternal bliss or in eternal damnation. I cannot answer "when" or "how" it happened...but GOD the Father ALONE is the beginning of all things, including Jesus. And it was by Jesus that the heavens and the earth were created using the power given to him by his Father--God. God will send those who deny his word a strong delusion that goes with them to Hell if they do not repent. Hell is very real, but it is nothing like what we think; it is much, much worse...because it is an eternal delusion that will never end. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

@@user-rj8py9ld3j I know that we will have eternal life as Christians, yes; however, that doesn’t mean we are eternal beings. We are finite because we were created at some point. There is a heaven and a hell, yes, I agree. And God will judge and give each person their reward. To the ones who trust in Christ’s Work, their reward; and to the ones who trust in their own works, their rewards. Again, I was correcting your use of the word “eternal”, which only GOD is. Also, Jesus IS the Beginning of everything, just as the Father is. Jesus Himself said that, so stop denying His Words. Revelation 22:13 You also keep saying God created Jesus, and then Jesus created everything else, but have you even thought about how this can be reconciled with God saying *HE ALONE* created *EVERY SINGLE THING* ?? Jsyk, it makes sense if Jesus is Jehovah, completely One with the Father.

@@abbyboat5730 Okay, absolutely! You make fair points. Just for some clarity: Yes, I do agree that *God the Father alone* created *EVERY SINGLE THING.* This includes Jesus; every single thing means every single thing. The Father made all things, but how exactly? Who is God speaking to in Genesis 1:26? In Genesis 1:1-25, God created all things by commanding it into existence. It is *God the Father* who created the heavens and the earth by himself; by *HIS WORD ALONE.* It was by His Commandment that all things were created. Jesus, who was created before the foundations of the world and was given all power and authority in heaven and earth, did all of the commandments that the Father said. And the Father found that "it was good." So, to your point, God the Father is the only true "eternal." Even in Rev 22:9 and 22:14, Jesus tells us to worship God and his commandments--the same as he does. This is what it means to be "one" with them both (John 17:22). Jesus is one in agreement with the Father, and does everything his Father commands him (John 12:49-50).

@@user-rj8py9ld3j But I never said God the Father alone created everything? I don't agree with that because Scripture CLEARLY shows that Jesus and the Spirit ALSO created everything. Scripture says YHWH ALONE created everything; and then says The Father, Son and Spirit created everything. What follows is to conclude that The Father, Son and Spirit CANNOT be anything OTHER THAN YHWH God. That's the position the Bible has! It literally forces this view unto its readers. You are again twisting Scripture! If you claim that God is the Father alone, and that the Father ALONE created everything, why add His Word which you claim is separate and different Being from Him, into the mix?? That literally makes Him NOT ALONE, if God is only the Person of the Father. Scripture is making it clear that the God who created the universe ALONE, is the Triune God. Also, it is quite obvious that Jesus was not speaking in Revelation 22:9. Jesus never puts Himself on the same level as "God's servants the prophets". He clearly distinguishes between God's servants and God's Son. Read through the parables, and even His conversations. He usually puts the Son much higher than man, and even the angels, so it makes NO SENSE to think that it is the Lord speaking in that verse. Also, He WAS worshipped! Throughout Scripture, Jesus is worshipped, MANY TIMES, even in Revelation! So, why on earth, would He say not to worship Him, after receiving worship? That was an angel in Revelation 22:9, not the Lord Jesus.

So you can’t ever just talk about Jesus?

The reason everyone speaks of Jesus without always reference to the Father, is because they don't have to. Your doctrine at best is skewered and worst heretical since you want to so easily condemn all of Christianity

what about all of the instances in the new testament where Jesus is mentioned but The Father is not?😂

Jesus and the Father are one, you talk about one, you mention the other. You Deny/Accept one, you deny/accept the other. Read John 10:30

@@AveChristusRexZoomer If Jesus is God because he’s one spirit with God, then I am God as well. Jesus said we are to become one even as they are one John 17:22. God himself is not in Jesus, it’s his power/spirit that’s living in all who belongs to him. Proof we have the spirit of (THEM) living in us is, we can heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils etc, I do these things. I know without any doubt whatsoever I belong to God. When I pray God hears me. No poison, witchcraft etc, can hurt those who truly belongs to God. You need to break away from what you’ve been hearing. Turn to God through Jesus, because they really love us. John 14:23, Luke 10:19, Matthew 10:8.