Jesus, women, and wives: Women in Ministry Part 6 

Miz Tenacious T thank you. Do you have The link or would you like me to send it your way?

Gee Cee I’ll check that out. Let her know we are doing this if you would. I’d love to discuss possible show topics with her.

I'd definitely love to see and episode with Donna Howell.

leialoha70 we had a blast with katia. We would love to have her back soon

leialoha70 yes. I was just saying this. I need to be willing to be wrong. Otherwise how will I ever learn more? How can I grow? Correction is not a bad thing. Well said friend.

leialoha70 Truth!!!

You ladies please bear in mind, on your coming Judgment Day you will be judged on your willingness and obedience to the Divinely endorsed Scripture teachings and instructions that follow. Now, regarding the false teaching for the emancipation of women in the Christian fraternity. Such 21st-century contrived beliefs are in contravention and defiance of the Lord's command for women to remain silent in the church assemblies. "As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people), 34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. 35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [ for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church]. 36 What! Did the word of the Lord originate with you [Corinthians], or has it reached only you? 37 If anyone thinks and claims that he is a prophet [filled with and governed by the Holy Spirit of God and inspired to interpret the divine will and purpose in preaching or teaching] or has any other spiritual endowment, let him understand (recognize and acknowledge) What what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord**. 38 But if anyone disregards or does not recognize [ that it is a command of the Lord], he is disregarded and not recognized [he is one whom God knows not]. 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (AMPLIFIED ,BIBLE) Thus if any insist on disregarding the Lord's command for a woman's silence they have become "One whom God knows not" Which is a most undignified and ungodly position any man or woman could possibly find themselves. For even St. Paul's instruction makes it quite plain that women are forbidden to teach men and must not usurp their God given authority. "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:10-14 (KJV) As for wives and their Divinely appointed permanent position in regards to their husbands. "22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. "Ephesians 5:22-24 (KJV) Thus complete obedience "in everything" to husbands, just as the church is called to be completely obedient to the laws and instructions of Christ and his personally ordained Apostles. Now from St. Peter: "You married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives, 2 When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him-to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband]." 1 Peter 3:1-2 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) And St. Peter again: "5 For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them]. 6 It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you]." 1 Peter 3:5-6 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) Those wives who refuse to comply are not the true "Daughters of Sarah" but counterfeits who are trying to subvert other women into disobeying Christ's personally ordained Apostles, and their unchanging instructions for the true and faithful Daughters of Almighty God. For the Lord Christ has stated....By their fruits shall you know them".

​@@thewatcher96 [1 Peter 2] 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. 18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. …. [1 Peter 3] 1Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. ......... 7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers. 8 Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble. 9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. … ....… [1 Peter 4] Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. 2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God Sarai submitted to Abram and his choice to lie about being married to her (he was afraid he would be killed) and she was taken to Pharaoh to be his wife (Genesis 12:11-20), God saved her by a plague. She chose to obey for Abram's sake, even though it would cost her. This speaks more of Sarai's character than of Abram's at the time, who acted in fear. Ultimately, we all are supposed to submit to authorities and to each other in our lives, even if it is hard and unfavorable, to show God's love though our actions. It's not something for a Godly person to take advantage of, but to reciprocate as God wants us to, loving one another. You don't get to say that the wife needs to submit to her husband without acknowledging that the husband also needs to submit to his wife, but differently, if they are both Godly. Additionally, romantic love is not a requirement, simple to love and submit, as Christians are called to do for one another, respecting the union between them. God doesn't mandate romantic love, only Godly love. I wouldn't consider this a standard if you wanted a romantic relationship, with a partner that enjoys spends time with you. Two Godly people who are capable of loving each other as God loves, can be a beautiful relationship with respect and honor between them, but striving for submission from one is striving for basic Christian curtesy within the context of a commitment. Katia Adams discusses Timothy 2, as well as Genesis, wonderfully in her sermon "Women in Church Leadership."

GuitarPixie This is why I laugh when people of both genders grossly take Paul far out of context when he affirmed a sister who was correcting and adding even male brothers. They also try to say sometimes that Male Christians shouldn’t let their hair grow long, and that women must where head coverings during prayer and prophecy.

Q DE I agree. Katia had some great points, and we were honored to have her on. However as a complementarian I would strongly disagree with her on many points such as what she said about 1 Timothy 2:12. The Village Wrote a 72 page paper on complementarianism. the foundation of biblical manhood and womanhood has article after article books and detailed resources on their website on the subject of complementarianism. If you read these first Timothy 212 is certainly mentioned and referenced but it is only one building block of the many in the complementarian argument. The whole argument does not henge upon 1 Timothy 2:12 as if it were the only text we had.

You ladies please bear in mind, on your coming Judgment Day you will be judged on your willingness and obedience to the Divinely endorsed Scripture teachings and instructions that follow. Now, regarding the false teaching for the emancipation of women in the Christian fraternity. Such 21st-century contrived beliefs are in contravention and defiance of the Lord's command for women to remain silent in the church assemblies. "As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people), 34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. 35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [ for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church]. 36 What! Did the word of the Lord originate with you [Corinthians], or has it reached only you? 37 If anyone thinks and claims that he is a prophet [filled with and governed by the Holy Spirit of God and inspired to interpret the divine will and purpose in preaching or teaching] or has any other spiritual endowment, let him understand (recognize and acknowledge) What what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord**. 38 But if anyone disregards or does not recognize [ that it is a command of the Lord], he is disregarded and not recognized [he is one whom God knows not]. 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (AMPLIFIED ,BIBLE) Thus if any insist on disregarding the Lord's command for a woman's silence they have become "One whom God knows not" Which is a most undignified and ungodly position any man or woman could possibly find themselves. For even St. Paul's instruction makes it quite plain that women are forbidden to teach men and must not usurp their God given authority. "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:10-14 (KJV) As for wives and their Divinely appointed permanent position in regards to their husbands. "22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. "Ephesians 5:22-24 (KJV) Thus complete obedience "in everything" to husbands, just as the church is called to be completely obedient to the laws and instructions of Christ and his personally ordained Apostles. Now from St. Peter: "You married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives, 2 When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him-to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband]." 1 Peter 3:1-2 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) And St. Peter again: "5 For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them]. 6 It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you]." 1 Peter 3:5-6 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) Those wives who refuse to comply are not the true "Daughters of Sarah" but counterfeits who are trying to subvert other women into disobeying Christ's personally ordained Apostles, and their unchanging instructions for the true and faithful Daughters of Almighty God. For the Lord Christ has stated....By their fruits shall you know them".

@@thewatcher96The ability to quote scripture isn't a demonstration of one's ability to comprehend the scriptures being quoted. I don't have a problem at all with the command for women to be silent in the church. I do have a problem with those who fail to recognize the fact that the scriptures (both OT and NT, including the words of both Paul and Jesus himself) refer to MEN as "women.," when speaking about spiritual things. So if we don't understand how Paul used Adam and Eve and the marriage relationship to teach us much deeper spiritual truths about Christ and the Church, we are not likely to grasp all that Paul wrote, things that even Peter acknowledged were "hard to be understood."

@@Chrissiela And to which St. Peter well reminds us......will only lead to "Their own destruction". "Even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their OWN DESTRUCTION". 2 Peter 3:15-16 (ASV)

@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 Peter didn't say people would refuse to listen to Paul. He said they WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND his writings. So if you believe Paul's words are crystal clear and very easy TO UNDERSTAND then, perhaps, you're the one not understanding. Maybe you should think about 'that.' 🤔

@@Chrissiela To me and others, St. Paul's words are indeed 'cyrstal clear' thus we are not of the cursed and sad brigade that fail to comprehend his words. For it is to them and people like yourself, who seek some other intpretation and understanding, that St. Peter is addressing his words of forthcoming doom. "Even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the **IGNORANT and **UNSTEAFAST WREST** as they do also the other scriptures, unto their **OWN DESTRUCTION". 2 Peter 3:15-16 (ASV) Have a nice day...

Keep simping, she might notice you one day.

@@makobean "As in all the churches of God's holy people, 34 the women must keep silent. They don't have the right to speak" "It's shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 Did God's word originate with you? Are you the only ones it has reached? 37 Whoever thinks that he speaks for God or that he is **spiritually gifted must acknowledge** that what I write to you is what the **Lord commands".** 1 Corinthians 14:33-37 (GW) Heretics must take note!

@@servantofthelord.7963 Oh honey, set your ego aside and ask the Holy Sprit to show you how to interpret these verses. According to your logic, we should still have slaves since slavery is never prohibited in the Bible and Paul tells slaves to obey. Also, by your logic, if a woman has a theologial question, she can only ask her husband and at home, not a Bible study, not a minister, not from reading a book herself, etc.

Thank you for the support

😂what

Hey I'm at that point my self at the moment... how did your search go?

Your flesh or your misunderstanding of scripture? For example, the Bible says to submit to one another. The other verses are just Paul giving an example of Christ's teaching to love one another. Read the NT through the lenses of Christ. Don't skip around Christ and go to Paul, which is what most of the conservative theologians do in order to justify male entitlement.

@jena3150 I feel the exact same way you do. I also get bitter about being a woman too because I feel being a woman is less than. It’s just my flesh, too. I keep trying to pray it away. It’s a daily submission to God. God wouldn’t make me to be less valuable because I am a woman.

What are your conclusions? Do you think we must live as if we're still in 1st century AD? How would that impact the Christian witness if so?

@@Himmiefan your question is incorrect and does not add value to the topic that is posed....... its learning to take the gospel into every generation, thats ever so changing. We need to maintain the truth of the gospel while exegeting with wisdom and Godly councelling