@@thomasgodfrey7587I've always multiplied everything Meltzer said by zero ever since around 2010s, maybe 2013, once I learned he was never truly in the Pro Wrestling business aside of journalism, not in the ring, nor in the backstage, nor in the commentary, nor in the management, or anything; he had few, if any, ideas on what he's talking about. His interview with CVV further confirmed my view on him.
The fact that Kurt Angle has ZERO 5 star matches but plumber moxley has about 100 of em with his death match crap says how STUPID his "star" ratings are
Seriously, once you learn that arguably the greatest in ring wrestler of all time doesnt have a single 5 star match, you cant take any of his ratings seriously.
@@tigerbug69Not defending Dave but a lot of wrestling fans just don't like the WWE's style of match. Things like too many pointless pin attempts that everyone and their grandma knows won't result in a 3 count, no moves other than a finisher and a school boy roll up getting a 3 count, heel getting heat for 10 minutes before the babyface makes a comeback and just the overall predictability of WWE matches.
personally I'd have given angle vs shane & some of his matches vs benoit 5.. he also probably got robbed of 5 vs Lesnar by that horrific SSP botch. The two other matches not getting 5 that prove his ratings mean shit are not giving TLC 2 five (only giving it 4 and 3/4ths) and Rock vs Hogan which he only gave 3 stars because it wasn't one of his preferred flippy workrate vanilla midget vs vanilla midget cheoreo fests.
At least JJ eventually sees that Spiderman isn't the bad guy. Meltzer will never admit that AEW is really in the shitter, as long as Tony keeps giving him his 20+ min Masturbation matches with OceanSpreay.
@@matthewhostetter8974 JJJ, portrayals like Insomniac's Spider-Man and such aside, also, USUALLY, WHEN WRITTEN WELL, puts a lot into journalistic integrity, social issues etc.
Meltzer flooded his entire house for OceanSpreay, and the rest of the ratings was a pity Fuck. To make up for the fact Mania was better, Dynasty buy rates sucked, Tony made an ass of himself and OceanSpreays feelings got hurt.
"We're the only two people here to play Mario Party, Dave" "Well what you gotta understand is that there's a lot of competition going on for Mario Parties right now, what with the NBA playoffs and pre-emptions and social media causing people to ignore some of these parties or maybe show up later. Really, the ACTUAL amount of people here is, like, 2 + 18 once you take into account the time zone---" "You can only have up to 4 people in a Mario Party though" "Traditionally, yes. I mean, in a traditional sense, can the game only have four people, the answer would be yes. But what I'm saying is that you can't gauge _this_ Mario Party by the standards of _Mario Party_ and have to look at it from the perspective of--- "Fuck it. I'm going to go play Garfield: Lasagna Party, Dave"
Meltzer’s comeback to that was saying that Punk called him “every week” while he was in AEW. I’m willing to bet that someone was posing as Punk to rib him or he’s insane, which are 2 valid explanations.
@@eiephants the fact that they serenaded Kenny Omega to the ring with talk of the "only wrestler to achieve seven stars" was so unbelievably pathetic - actually made Kenny Omega look worse in my opinion. His status should preceed him in and out of kayfabe.
Funny thing is people are having all these high star matches.....but the program can't average over 800k for weekly TV. Newsflash. No one cares about the ratings besides Tony and Dave.
Over a million $. Surprised tbh, most of their events don't come close to that #. And that's just the gate, not sure how many PPV buys they had. Most likely their 2nd most profitable event after Wembley.
The gate was definitely $400k. Funny listening to Nash talk about earning money when he ended up costing WWF money when he was champ. Vince almost sold the company and almost filed chapter 11. But you tell'em Kev.
@@SlimSavageBlanco That was Vince costing the WWF all that money. He's the one who decided it was a good idea to strip Diesel of everything that made him popular as a heel and make him a milquetoast babyface with no edge.
I don’t think that many Cornette fans are watching aew. Certainly for me, myself I don’t think it’s even available in Australia, and I regularly go to England I’ve not seen it there either. But I don’t look for it either.
The hardcore AEW fan who can tolerate Tony Klowns booking and the Boring Bucks wouldn't listen to Cornette, Bischoff, Dutch since they use common sense and logic whilst Uncle Dave, Conrad & Tony Klown all live in laa laa land.
I read in an article that it said that the Brian Danielson versus Will Osprey match was AND I QUOTE "said by many to be the greatest match on North American soil." NO IT WASN'T. ONE PERSON SAID THAT. NOT "MANY" These "news" sources are just repeating one person and then claiming many people said it. It's outrageous how the industry is being reported today.
SUCH an underrated comment. One of those “if you know, then you know” Hans Moleman receiving a football to the nuts would get at least 4 stars according to Dave…..
@CadChamberlain I wouldn't agree. Match quality was alright across the board for the majority of the night but the booking and lack of compelling storylines made it another episode of Dynamite 🤷♂️
What’s funny is, I thought the Ospreay vs Danielson match was a fantastic match, but the greatest match ever? 😂 it’s like the Okada Omega match he gave 7 stars. It’s a good match, but the best thing ever? Like come on Dave… lord have mercy
I just remove 2*s from Dave's AEW ratings, have been for a few years. Same thing I do with Rotten Tomatoes these days, subtract 15-20 percentage points and that's probably about right.
I texted something similar to a friend that loses their mind over Dave’s ratings. Advised him to take his rating, then subtract 1-2 stars based on what you like. That’s closer to reality.
Knowing Dave he would definitely give Tony's bump a 10 on his star rating scale lol. And then proceed to go on a tangent defending Tony, and then rambling nonsense while taking 20 minutes just to get to the point.
Honestly people should take it easy on Uncle Dave, poor man has a hard time giving out those ratings with only one hand on the keyboard and the other down his pants. Because Wednesday nights aren't the only nights he gets to stay up late.😉
"If Orson Welles was in a low-budget porn flick, would you STILL give it 4 stars?" Well...scratch that one off the list of statements I never thought I would hear.
Grudge Dave gave Roman v Cody WM match a 4.75. I think he may not have given 5 stars because the quarter point was all his remaining brain, but it is clear that he did not use it at all in the matches he gave 6 or 7 stars to.
Dave had to shit on WWE ratings for Mania as punishment for Tony's ALL IN footage not going his way, plus OceanSpreay's feeling hurt when WWE never mentioned him. Dynasty's ratings were desperation for the low buy rate and Tony still making an ass of himself
@@matthewhostetter8974 Honestly? I think it's just Dave going back to his old ways. The "Kurt Angle never had a 5* match, Taker VS Michaels is 4.75*" ways. For WWE, 4.5, 4.75 and 5* say a whole lot more about match quality than for All Elite Inflation. Basically, Dave rates WWE on a 5* Scale where they have to go above and beyond to get up there. He also rates his boy toy promotion (and NJPW) on a scale where the highest is whatever he wants to give.
Cody Roman was not anywhere near a 4. At all. It was a schmozz match. Half a dozen runins and pure gaga. And seriously no Roman match ever is on "the best matches" list. That being said, when he left he was the biggest star in the business so who gives a single chit about 'work rate' star ratings by some goof
@@yoholmes273 Cody vs Roman was easily the match of the year so far. It was a fantastic wrestling match with all ingredients. It was a much better match than Bryan vs Osprey which had no build or storyline purpose.
Okada Vs PAC = HBK Vs Taker at Mania I like PAC Vs Okada. I really did. I doubt I'll remember in 15 days. It's 15 years later and I still remember watching HBK and Taker. I remember talking to my friends with me watching it. These two are not equal. At all.
@@DynastyIcon I had to do laundry. I watched the first hour and a half. It's not hate. It's morbid amusement and curiosity. Besides, without those watchers, it's only worthless fans like you.
I stopped hate watching it 2 years ago. It's f***ing terrible! I still watched WCW and TNA through the bad times but AEW has the worst wrestling shows ever!
In my opinion, I think because DM spent his life as the "go to guy" for insider wrestling scoops. With the wrestling world evolving(since the "it's ballet" days), and it becoming a part of the pop culture, I don't believe he's come to grips (or cannot accept) that he no longer is that "go to guy". No disrespect meant, but for the most part, his old school contacts have either passed or left the business. Now he's just out of touch with the wrestling audience and as more recognizable legit sport media (and pop culture-Rock, Cena) cover wrestling what his utility in wrestling? I suggest writing more history pieces and obit books.
I think we can safely assume that Khan is booking for Meltzer rather than his audience, and Meltzer's brain has been deep-fried by all of the time he's been spending with his balls in the hands of the Young Bucks. That's not to say that they've got him in a vice, but rather, he's being overstimulated by flips and kicks and dives oh my.
Dave parrots what the Bucks say, ignoring the fact that they're flaming GOP racists, all the while pretending to be liberal IRL back when he was trying to cling onto Cornette 😂😂😂 I've never seen a more confused person.
What’s funny is the whoop that trick chant at the end when the faces all came to ringside and Tony was laying there. Dave may not like him, but Trick’s been getting main roster chants and now even at AEW
Is Dave's plan to eventually sell the Observer to Tony Kahn and retire or something? On the booking a show idea, just putting this out there with enough time and you could probably pull off a few decent level events in the four corners. Especially Grand Junction, CO look up JuCo, Rock Jam, and Country Jam. Moab, UT around Easter weekend, tends to be the big Jeep weekend, yes playing a Sturgis card. And Page, AZ/Lake Powell or Lake Mead around Spring Break. I'd say 20,000 up easily on all of them as long as you had a few names. Not sure on RMPRO(CO) and UCW's(UT) current status, but there's Riot City out of Nevada. Just a thought.
Put pretty much any WCW cruiserweight match at the top of the card in AEW in 2024 and Dave would give it 10 stars based on what he scores highly these days. He’s lost his mind.
I give this podcast 5 out of 5 🌟 Honestly, Dave giving a match 6.5 out of 5 stars is like saying 10 out of 9 times, Dave is right and a good "journalist."
Quick thing: the 500 was a typo in the original numbers. It was 5,000 PPV traditional buys for TNA's "Rebellion". Explanation: --- [...] Seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease [from Hard to Kill’s 22,400 buys] which makes 500 clearly not the right number. Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total) Accordingly to Ewrestlingnews of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day” ---
I didn't think 500 was right to begin with. That's so dystopian that if they actually did only get that number I imagine they'd shut the doors immediately. I mean that's like bankruptcy numbers. Not that 5k is that much better...
@@xxrocketshark216xx4but that number will grow a bit along with that number not including streaming numbers at all and the last ppv got 28K in streaming numbers so that’ll grow this shows buyrate and they have a tier on TNA+ that pays for the ppvs that Uncle Dave will never have. We aren’t saying TNA did a tremendous number but if the real number all told was 20K and Brian is guffawing over a fictional 500 number, that’s not a good look for Brian
The TNA number was a typo. It did 5,000 not 500. However, i don't doubt Jim and Brian are bigger than TNA. I always listen to Jim and Brian, i never watch TNA.
According to Uncle dave, AEW's lower ratings was because of other live sports, but when the same happened to Raw, he said people come up with excuses like nfl (live sport).
And the previous two years, AEW also had to deal with those same exact live sports…and the last two years their ratings were higher by 100-thousand plus. It’s just excuse after excuse from them
0:44 I dunno if I'd call David vs Goliath a great match. I mean, yeah, the babyface won over a big monster heel, but he won in one move. Can't ever book Goliath again after he takes a loss like that to a little guy. He's buried.
Dave Meltzer has never passed my sniff test. I never understood how a guy who never worked, produced or even held a boom mic for a legitimate wrestling match- how anyone would take his ratings or assessments seriously.
Literally all it is is that he was one of the first to do it and people in the business used to like and respect him and he was able to get enough insider info to make an interesting newsletter. If the internet and Twitter and smart marks had existed back when Dave started the Observer someone else would have beaten him to the punch. He's literally only noteworthy bc he's a smart mark with a keyboard from an age before they were a dime a dozen.
@@xxrocketshark216xx4 They claim he’s good at being a wrestling historian, but frankly, even that function I wouldn’t trust given how his memory seems sus over time.
I'm willing to bet even he doesn't actually. I think he just said that he did to either: A. Stay ahead of the curb, incorrectly assuming all the internet smart marks who actually subscribe to his drivel would and not wanting to have the wrong opinion or B. He doesn't wanna hurt his friends' feelings
What i have learned from Meltzer's ratings is they make more sense if you interpret them as being a 10 scale now and just divide by 2 to normalize them to ratings from 15+ years ago. Inflation hitting everyone.
The spectacle. Hearing what he says next, and how ridiculous it'll be. What he says has very little credence. He's at Hulk Hogan's level now. People want to hear what bizarre statement will come next.
@@waynetech10 I'm right there wanting to hear and laugh. But I stopped my subscription. I stopped listening to Dave like 8 years ago, because at that time he was just playing both sides of any argument to cover himself. Plus him and Alvarez have their own q&a things... So he's got actual fans
Meltzer Rating System: Referee shows up 1 Star 1 opponent shows up 2 Stars Both opponents show up 3 Stars Ring the bell to start match 4 Stars They sell popcorn 5 Stars
I saw Dax from FTR accusing Bischoff of taking money from someone to criticize AEW on Twitter. Brian and Jim sorta touched on the subject but I’d like to hear this topic discussed more
Star ratings will always mean nothing when Melter and his ilk are rating matching in a vacuum not taking any story or character building into account. What Meltzer likes about wrestling is entirely different to what normal people get out of it. Moves and matches are only half of what this industry is about but smarks rate it like that’s the whole package.
Remember "X-Pac Heat"? Now we have two new terms, thanks to AEW! "Jericho Heat" and "Cowboy Heat" Possibly soon to be followed by another brand new "Jungle Boy Heat"
Hogan vs Andre was a pretty well put together match considering Andre's limitations. Maybe doesn't hold up to today's wrestling fans but it told a pretty great story with the set up ect.
Al Snow said it best. That's the best match of all time because of all the pomp and circumstance. Throw in Andre being unable to move and still getting the spectacle we got, it's iconic for a reason. Dave having 40 years of "credibility" after that is astonishing.
Hogan Andre will always be the greatest match ever, headlining the biggest show ever. Meltzer has ALWAYS been a goof and a fan of pipsqueak gymnastic flippy floppers.
Didn't Meltzer himself say at one point in his intervew with Chris Van Vliet that he takes into account the crowd reactions and atmosphere of the matches when giving these star ratings? You mean to tell me he saw that Jericho match, witnessed that energy from the crowd and went "oh *chef's kiss* impecable heat Chris, here have 3.25 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️"
As a Japanese I never understood some American obsession with Japanese wrestling, most of the Japanese I knew think American wrestling are superior to Japanese wrestling.
Nothing is superior is pro wrestling. It all ultimately depends on which style a person prefers. Americans prefer emphasis on storytelling and character development whilst most Japanese prefer emphasis on the in ring work and realistic hard hitting matches. The U.S. has a lot of people so there are going to be a section who prefers the Japanese style of Pro Wrestling
@@EliasRoy Maybe it’s hard hitting and realistic before like 2009 it’s not the case anymore, I feel like Buddy Mathews and Tommaso Ciampa are better strikers than 95% of the Japanese wrestlers these days.
It is not an "American obsession" currently, it is one man, goof Meltzer. Back in the VHS tape trading days Japanese wrestling was like gold. Watching guys like the Funkers, Hansen, Brody, Vader, Gordy working stiff with the local stars was just tremendous. Has not been tremendous for over 20 years. Nobody told Dave that.
It became prevalent with AJPW and NJPW in the 90s. AJPW was a very serious if dangerous product and NJPW really introduced cruiserweight style. American wrestling was pretty bad on the mid 90s so the early internet wrestling community was very pro-Japan.
Dave's review of Jericho v Hook is just him scrambling to defend AEW's booking and once again blame the fans for the negatives. "The fans rushed the heel turn..." Shut up Dave.
I want a 1 night only, Jim Cornette booked live wrestling show with Brian & Jim on commentary. Only on PPV. That might be asking too much of Jim but im really curious to see if it can out draw TNA. 😂
Anyone that actually takes Dave's personal match ratings seriously to heart are just lost causes at this point. His ratings have been awful for decades now and anyone with a brain can see it
Spoilers: The main event of tonight's Dynamite is a segment featuring Kenny Omega, Young Bucks, Okada, Jack Perry, and FTR. Good luck for those who haven't watched yet.
Can not wait for the review of Kenny “Breathless Harpo” Omega forcing fake tears and talking about collostomy bags, along with Okada’s cringe inducing promo
Meltzer reviews AEW the same way Homer Simpson initially reviewed restaurants. The only thing missing is a fat AEW roster with Tony Khan's knees collapsing.
