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@@albanthedemonking1076 I'm still using my Herta against ice week, like tbh anyone is fine if its on element so i just have a dps of every element built and im fine. i think the META units are okay without e1 or s1 off element. nobody wants to admit this games meta is dolphin comps or rock paper scissors for some reason.
One of the main reasons she was so busted on release was the consistent amount of flat atk and crit rate she gave herself. However as more dps chars gave more stats to themselves, that became obsolete. She also has no downsides to fix, DHIL has sparkle to make him more consistent, DoT got BS and Ruan Mei. FUA just got robin. Acheron will likely get a support given how popular she is and cause there aren’t many support focused nihility characters. Jinglui has no flaws and therefore can’t improve over time. Metas not been kind to her with it focusing less on hypercarry and more on ‘Gimmicky’ teams like break, FUA and DoT.
What do you mean no flaw, her core gameplay is a major flaw in itself. The state she has, and the downtime is so bad, and revealed by the Aventurine boss.
@@senelclark101 Most characters have some form of downtime, Acheron recharges ult, DoT needs to reapply and build up, Topaz needs to build ult to enhance Numby. Granted the dps difference in uptime and downtime is much less than Jingliu re gaining Syzygy but is solved via the Jingliu E to Bronya E combo. However, because the Adventurine boss pulls Jingliu forwards, it messes up her speed tuning while taking a stack. If any other boss has a mechanic like Adventurine, Jingliu will suffer there. Pre-Adventurine boss, Jingliu has very little to no flaws. Her downtime is easily sorted out but aforementioned Bronya combo and her drain is negligible enough to not be a problem as everyone just dies. Of course, she’s struggling now with the increasing health pools and bosses with newer mechanics like Adventurines pull forward.
Her kit's flaw is her Advance Forward. It ruins the buff uptime of characters like Bronya & Sparkle, who are her best supports for lowering her downtime. If you've ever dreamed, her Advance Forward used to be an Extra Turn, which does NOT waste Bronya & Sparkle's buff. The problem with Jingliu is that all of her synergistic teammates are very sought after by every other teams. Grabbing all of them for just one side of MoC heavily limits your other side, which is what holding her back. It's not Jingliu herself, but the current state of your account's rosters. Of course, this will be easily fixed the more characters they release even if they don't directly synergize with her: More characters = More options for other teams = Jingliu's best teammates won't be contested.
She does have a massive downside and that is the fact that she needs two separate turns to get two turns of damage which is not great for MOC unless you have a bronya and even then it's not great because you'll need at least 3 skill points to get her up and running For example my jing has 3k atk 250crit dmg and gets 83 crit rate when in her state but I still struggle with her single target dmg sometimes she does 80k sometimes she does 40k
So the thing is the moment i have seen the jinliu kit, The first thing i thought of is sub dps, her skill points efficiency is amazing, if you have seen major destruction units have hp mechanics. so if a unit that can be triggered with her hp draining like blade but better is released just imagine jinliu as sub dps where other unit paired with her is doing more damage than her!!. so there are so much open room for improvement Thats why i hate dhil no such sub dps option in future he is forever bound to hyper carry solo dps.
man youtube really needs to bring back the feature to see how many dislikes a video has because im sure as hell this video has more dislikes then likes with only 572 in 11k views
The Ratio is 79% likes with 21% dislikes Keep being pissy cause Jingliu is a dog shit character. Meanwhile, imma go back to enjoying how fucking right I am, and continue to be.
@@sypers_syrup Tectone Agrees with me, and so do the Facts~ The comments DO agree with me by the way~ not that you’d know that of course. You don’t have a list of all of them in chronological order with associated like counts. Again. My takes are like a finnneee wine. They only get *BETTER* I’ll bookmark this comment so I can hit you with the, “I told you so” when she doesn’t get any better in the next 6 months
her pro is kinda her con, she's complete. Therefore there would be no DHIL -> Sparkle, Kafka -> Black Swan, Ratio -> Topaz / Robin. Its both good and bad since you dont feel like you need X character in order to make this unit function (or at least play comfortably) yet there's not much department to improve as well. But actually, there is something to improve on. We have yet to see a Harmony unit doing something about HP consumption. She's not the only unit that would benefit from it, Blade and another upcoming unit too. My E0S1 Blade is getting outdone by my E0S0 BS paired with just a Sampo. Bronya isnt enough to bring damage for him
Jingliu really doesn't have a "tailor made" support for her. Bronya is great and she helps a lot, but she is only buffing her half the time or less with her skill, assuming it's a -1 speed Bronya. Sparkle buffs DHIL 100% of the time, gives him an Extra turn and easily fixes sp issues. A support that I'm hoping for is someone who 1.) buffs the team based on when HP is lost on allies like you mentioned 2.) has an increasing buff based on SP consumed. So like DHIL's skill but for a support. This would benefit low SP DPS like Jingliu, Blade and even Arlan. The only thing the character would need to really be tailor made would be energy gain or an advance forward.
Hmm, to say she's complete, that's basically saying DHIL / QQ are complete without Sparkle. The problem for Jingliu is she don't have any support that 100% fix her problem while also has complete synergy like buff uptime.
This is why u should never pull a character for meta When jingliu came out she was the best dmg dealer But if u pull for the character u like and have fun with it
@@kimihikokimizuka2165 there is literally no gacha character that has staying power. "Pulling for fun" Is so subjective you might as well say as "Im a mintpicker" to any question at all.
I feel that the Jingliu + Blade combo might get a comeback sometime in the future if only there is a support that can make that happen... Bronya is a hyper carry support. Robin is the ultimate FuA support. Sparkle being QQ's, DHIL and Clara's best buddy. And Ruan Mei and Harmony MC being the break specialist supports we all love to use. If a support character comes around that can boost Duo dps team than a Jingliu + Blade combo may become the meta again But hey, I don't care about 0 cycle.... As long as I can clear MoC content within 8 cycles, I am happy
honestly if you compare this to genshin, jingliu having free stats and a lot of advantages because every enemy was weak to her at some point. She's more like ganyu in the sense that she was only good because even with low investment she was a monster, she was only overpowered at the time because you didnt have to build her that well and her damage at low investment was strong enough to compete against dhil just because they were weak to ice. and we keep saying powercreep comes every banner lmao
Again, your narcissism is showing, just like in the previous video. "If "I" can't clear it, then nobody can" If "I" didn't enjoy the way the story was presented, then nobody should!" Get help, man. Tho on one thing we can agree on, Jingliu is destined to fall just like any other dps in this game with the exception of Acheron maybe.
@@aoki395 The way her kit was designed she will only get better as time goes on. As long as they make good nihility chars who can reliable debuff Acheron will always have a team. Also the fact that she ignores resistances in ult helps a ton as well. Imo she's gonna age better than the dps we have until now, but I could be wrong of course.
@@jakoby256 if hoyoverse want to promote another dps they’ll do it and there’s so many ways they can make the environment unfavorable for a dps. Alternatively they could introduce a unit like neuvillette and bring all DPS down 😂 Edit: there major improvement for Acheron though since not a single support tailor for her have been made yet
I watched both your videos and still don't really agree. I feel like you spend a lot of time trying to convince people of your point this time by just talking about credentials and stuff that wouldn't really matter in practice For example "taking away pela from acheron, tingyun from daniel, or ruan mei from DoT" isn't really that big of a deal. Maybe when we have to start running 4 teams for a game mode it'll matter, but you can just take away the one that matters the least to your other teams. And this team building dillema isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all. Sparkle is really good on Jing yuan, DHIL, Seele, and QQ comps (and a bunch of other characters you could theoretically run as hypercarries if you really want). Whether or not these characters are worse because they share a BIS support doesn't really matter, the point is just that this isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all What you fail to mention though is at this point, Jingliu has effectively almost cost free access to bronya due to better options being available for other characters. I know the point is to make Jingliu look bad here, but it just feels dishonest when you only bring up how she takes characters away from other teams and not how she can actually help free up team slots for your other team Another thing is that the aventurine boss may take away a turn of transmigration, but he also fully restores energy, which gives jingliu an extra turn. I found personally she was actually fine against that boss. I don't know why it took you over 10 cycles to clear 6:08 Jingliu doesn't need a healer. You were just using aventurine in the previous clip and surviving fine. Aventurine against sam performs the same as he does against his boss variant. If sam was ice weak, you could easily use aventurine with jingliu and do well because sam has a similar amount of aoe attacks (Sam not being ice weak is the only actual issue that I agree with). More importantly though, this is also an issue nowhere near exclusive to Jingliu. Taking Black swan to non wind weak content reduces her damage massively. Kafka against non lightning weak content does the same thing. Xueyi against non quantum weak enemies does significantly worse. It feels like you are presenting things that are just game mechanics that apply to every character as flaws with Jingliu. And Jingliu has an easier time brute forcing non ice weak content than a lot of other characters do 7:15 Your argument the whole video has been your own Jingliu struggling to clear and then claiming it's a problem with the character. This seems kind of ironic and strange to say - "bro really typed all that" Yeah, I think when people get something wrong it's fine to correct them as long as you do it civilly. I don't hate you or anything (if I did I wouldn't bother taking the time to write this), I just think you have a strange flawed take that's brought about by your own bad experiences rather than looking at the facts of the matter and how Jingliu actually compares to the rest of the cast. People aren't just making up their good clears with Jingliu and while waifu bias is a thing, but it's not why people recommend her. Topaz wasn't exactly highly recommended by even the Topaz fanclub until follow up characters became more prominent for example People think Jingliu is good because all evidence points towards Jingliu being good
Since you typed all that I will entertain your comment civilly. 6:08 that teams didn’t have Bronya. With her the shield would have disappeared in 1-2 turns causing skill point issues Bronya still isn’t a good Support due to the buff lasting one turn, and Jingliu having an action forward. However, due to sparkles diminishing returns and lack of 100% uptime, Bronya is still the best. The strict skill point structure means you have to run Luocha as your sustain when his benefits for her aren’t amazing beyond SP Bronya is a hard character to obtain. At any given time to have a 1/7 or 1/14 chance of getting her upon loosing a 50/50 or getting a 5 star in standard. Again though, her Sig and E1 are needed for SP neutral play which hardly anyone is able to obtain reasonable. This is a problem since Bronya is BiS She hasn’t gotten any good supports since her release. Nor are their any in the files She can’t clear any side game mode comfortably such as Swarm, Golden gears, or Pure fiction. Runs end up taking longer on average 7:15 My Jing-Liu is my oldest Character. First 5 star on my account. I’ve been building her off and on for 8 months. If mine can’t clear comfortably then I highly doubt the average players will as crit rate stats are infamously hard to roll --------- On top of all of this Jingliu has many issues her future supports will need to work around. Her migration isn’t a resurgence and chews through buff durations, meaning you will need buffs scaling on ally turns Her absurd Crits stats makes Crit buffers almost obsolete on her Being an ice Unit means her break effect is the second worst type in the game and deals negligible dmg She doesn’t inflict any debuffs for bonus damage nor does she have any supportive traits beyond selfish buffs Actions forward buffs don’t carry over upon going into the stat, loosing dmg Ultimate Dmg buffs won’t work since her ult isn’t cast enough to be worthwhile ------ Without any new supports to fix her issues, she is hard locked to her current power level and will only get worse with time. However, supports that fix these issues will be equally as overpowered on any other character. Ex: Two turn AV buffs, Defense shred, Dmg vulnerability, ER increases, etc she’s a victim of her own kit. Which. Shouldn’t be surprising giving her current kit being a last minute change. Here in a few months the flaws will only become more apparent, I assure you.
And then there's me not understanding why anyone would bang their head against a wall bringing their Ice DPS against enemies not weak to ice. Like if your entire argument is that she fell off against enemies that aren't weak to ice, yet she's completely fine against Ice-weak enemies, this just seems like user error. You brought charmander into Misty's gym (water type) and expected to win then made a rant video after it couldnt get past her Staryu. I was sitting here listening to this video wondering what DPS came after Jingliu that powercrept her besides literally just Acheron. Argentina? No shot anyone in their right mind would say he powercrept Jingliu. DHIL? He came out BEFORE her, that is NOT powercreep and it irks me every time people throw that word around willynilly. The meta changed? There used to be a huge meme in the community that every MoC no matter what the enemies are, Jingliu mains are there clearing it without issue. Now we're finally getting enemies that just so happen to not be weak to ice and here we are getting ridiculous videos like this. Before Acheron came, I used Jingliu exclusively for Gold and Gears and Swarm Disaster clears. For remembrance runs I still will. For anything that's weak to Ice, I still will be using the best Ice DPS. My DHIL does similar damage to my Jingliu. My jingliu is e0s1 while my DHIL is e2s1 but the thing is i don't do something stupid and bring my jingliu in against Sam or the new penacony weekly boss or anything else that isnt already weak to Ice. The point about her not getting any support is ridiculous too as if RM with penacony set didn't just come out not all that long ago. I just think this is the most wild video, when if this was really a thing, all the desperate for drama clickbait youtubers would be making shitty videos like this one.
as someone who got fomo'd into pulling jingliu and her lc bcs people kept saying shes better than dhil, best dps (second to acheron) i can say that shes not breaking any records😅 "just use bronya" yeah, thats the problem, i don't have bronya and using sparkle w her feels so bad bcs her advanced forward eats her ult buff like a buffet. (i don't have ruanmei btw) pulling before her lc, she feels a little underwhelming and i thought.. hey, what if i pulled her sig? i did, yeah her dmg improved but i came to realise that a unit's strenght shouldnt be tied up to a paywall. i felt a need to pull her bcs ppl hyping how her barrier to entry was low plus this moc is ice weak but, i don't have bronya and ruanmei, wheres this "low barrier to entry"? all and all in my expirience w her, shes good but ppl kept overrating her. shes not better than dhil in any universe, even before sparkle his sp management isnt that bad where as jingliu's out of state form isnt fixable if you don't have bronya.
Do you know that Acheron, the "best DPS" in game, it's not that good without her sign weapon right? Jingliu can have a 5 star stat lightcone easily from the Herta Market
@@thorkingmaya3684 my point is not her lc or acheron, but her ease of use feels clunky if youre a person without bronya (thats why i pulled her sig so she would do more dmg) and the herta market lc, yeah i used that thing before jingliu's sig, but just bcs you get that weapon easily doesnt mean its any good (jingliu overcaps on atk)
@@thorkingmaya3684 GSW is just fine lmao and even with JL with her LC is not close to a well built Acheron with S5 GNSW. That's when Acheron has no best support for her while JL has bronya and Ryan mei (3even pela if you want 3 buffers)
That wouldn't mean fell off in my view. Endgame modes in gacha games are usually tailored for whatever character is out right now, and whatever character will take over right after. So of course she isn't the best right now when there's been no Ice characters lately. I honestly find the whole rank by endgame a very toxic and stupid practice. Characters should be ranked by fixed metrics not at the whims of the marketing department.
u are saying that she is not good, if u mean that "she is not good she is mid" i would agree with that, since there are multiples teams that are better than her, but if u are saying that "she is not good she is bad" then i would desagree, because u can still clear all the content with her comfortably and she is still better then multiple others dps
Is she as strong as she used to be? No. Does that mean she is bad? Also no. She's still by far the easiest crit character to build. Additionally your point about how JL takes away supports from other comps that would better utilize them implies that people have those DPS characters, which is often not the case. If JL can't perform to an acceptable level cause her supports are better off on other comps then it isn't an issue for people who don't have those DPS characters to begin with.
I'm going to put my two cents here as a Jingliu Main. Yes, she has recently been feeling worse. Her biggest problem is her multipliers being balanced around her giving herself a ton of attack and crit. This means there are very little stats she benefits from. It's mainly just damage bonus and def shred. I run her with her Signature LC, Bronya with Sig, Tingyun/Pela and Huohuo, she still feels on Avg worse than my DHIL when I'm trying to brute force content (I have very few element DPSs). My DHIL has Herta shop LC, Sparkle with Sig, Tingyun and Luocha, He performs quite a bit better. For example he takes Max 4 cycles in MOC in non imaginary weak, and 2 in imaginary. weak. Jingliu takes like 5 minimum and took 5 against Aventurine who is literally ice weak, the whole stage was Ice weak last MoC, still 5 cycle Her having downtime, and idk why but feeling very bad in single target are her biggest issues. I feel if she gets some supports that give dmg bonus, have aura skill like Ruan mei, give def shred and reward HP manipulation then she will become quite a bit better, until then honestly, she'll slowly get powercrept. (I think Bronya is still holding her back, Bronya's action advance and dmg bonus are good... Her skill is not the problem. But the Bronya ult buff are so small, I never see the difference. We need Bronya but with a better ultimate)
It's an interesting problem for a character to have for sure, as sad as it is for people who like her a lot, how essentially her problem is that she's already reached her peak so how much higher can you really go from there? Sure she can reach a bit higher with some help but you'd need so much to really make such a significant difference especially in a game where your team slots are limited that at that point why not just use someone else who has a higher ceiling but just couldn't reach it without some outside help?
If Dan Heng is a humanoid long-life species with draconic features descended from Long, the deceased Aeon of Permanence. A strong dps and part of astral express crew. Then, how about Sunday? If Aventurine as sigonian get blessing (from Aeon Order) make him so lucky, then what about the "Descendant" ? Sunday, the benevolent and self-disciplined head of the Oak Family. I can't wait to see what the Sunday can do. Robin is doing pretty good as harmony character.
Even if it is for fun and that no one actually gives a shit, I’d still like to point out that my Jingliu has been used twice in the last 2 months, and that was with last MoC with the Aventurine boss and the one stage in the current MoC. It’s ridiculous on how this character did fall hard in the current meta 😂
to be fair, as an E0S1 Jingliu haver, I did experience the same thing. To me, its more of we have more units to use against the content now than before. We can easily match the enemy lineup's weakness since we have a DPS for every element. Its Lightning - IMG - Fire that is more common nowadays which is why Acheron, Kafka+BS, DHIL, Ratio+Topaz are mostly used
so Sunday is Ice Hunt or Erudition?, hoping erudtion with follow up attacks and some debuffs so we have the sister/brother combo and ratio stonks increasing
Bruh the source of that info is a chatter on twitch. "Omg guys this character who hasn't even been released is gonna be powercreep jingliu and therefore she is obselete now!!" Oh no, an older character being powercrept by a newer one, what a strange concept.
Bro thinks he's him with the yapping 8 hours discord call credentials but then says he can't clear MOC in 10 cycles with JL. I don't have JL so I've got no horse in this race but even if she fell off you should be able to clear in 10 cycles that just sounds like mad skill issues.
I' am number 1 Jingliu and Seele hater and Yanqing simp but even i know jingliu is strong. of course the MoC not gonna favor her she is a broken old character hoyoverse will do anything to counter her and daniel. Sam boss fight is literally the best example of a enemy made to counter Fu xuan and Jingliu both they stronger characters at the time. Acheron will receive they same treatment in one year with mechanics and enemies to counter acheron even the MoC now doenst help acheron at all for the first time. Its gacha game after all they want you to buy the shine new toy and stop using broken old one because is not work the same way anymore
You know, the more time that goes along the more I’m regretting pulling jingliu. I pulled her on her rerun after getting aventurine and maybe I should have pulled his e1 or saved more for robin (who I lost on). I agree with a lot of points here. I find her fun at least but who knows how long that will last before I get bored of her ever decreasing damage output? I suppose I’ll just pull a better dps eventually since I don’t care that much about moc or pure fiction.
Have you used Blade with Jingliu? He is ironically her best teammate. We are waiting for more in the hp-consumption meta characters to release dedicated to them.
As a person who relied solely on her in the past, and now who uses many other units these days, I hate to admit, but I have to agree with you. She’s hitting like a wet noodle, and she needs a major buff.
you know there aren't buffs in this game, would have to release a support that makes her much better, but could be hard doing it while not increasing the rest too making the situation the same
I love Jingliu, that’s why I invested in eidolons so she doesn’t fall off too soon, mine is E3 and I’m waiting for her next rerun so I can try summoning for her E6. So far, I can still clear all 12 MoCs even against bosses who doesn’t have ice weakness or have resistance to ice.
Haven't used jingliu since penacony dropped especially since i have a good dot team and arcehron i dont even use her in with remembrance rather use march and herta💀
As a E0S1 Jingliu haver, she still can do things but I won't lie. The fact that she doesn't have a tailored support, has a great power but with very low ceiling and that DOT teams are really favoritized since the beginning of Penacony (seriously, each mob has a wind or thunder weakness recently), made her fall behind quite a bit. But if a harmony 5* being focused on HP consumption which boosts all the team gets released, a Blade/Jingliu/new harmony/Luocha team will go stonks.
maybe make a support like furina. the more dmg is deal when the team heals or lose hp. or make a support that use a lot of sp. that would be perfect for jingliu and blade. who is daniel?
I agree with most of the statements, except "taking XXX character away from XXX" doesn't make sense. You don't need to keep all your teams fully intact all the time and most have substitutes of some sort (robin for RM in dot, SW /guinaifen for acheron, ect.), and you only really need to build two teams for pretty much anygame system currently released. But aside from that, you're pretty much right.
Found out about your videos recently and love it. Agree with JL all the way. I have her at E0S1 and she feels terrible now. I barely use her. Feels incredibly mid even with all her best supports. Premier FUA team, Acheron, DHIL and even the new break teams lap circles around her in my experience.
Wait some time, they will also. Start looking " Not so good " And will fall to " I don't use them any more " It's a a gatcha game, they will keep throwing new charcter every 3 week with hopes of you pulling them. Play whoever you like and pull accordingly
Tbh, I feel like this is more so a consequence of the way MOC is changing. It's not even just that JL is super weak in these past MOCs, but the MOCs have just been getting progressively more difficult till now, where the player base is feeling it the most. Personally this has been the most difficult MOC regardless of elemental matching or team composition, these bosses just have so much health compared to the other MOC's prior which I was able to complete 100% with relative challenge.
Respectfully. You did this entire video saying that she is bad while acknowledging your Jingliu is bad. But then saying the character and kit is bad when tons of people cleared with her and have used her since her release till now. Will new DPS power creep her, yes that is inevitable. But all this to is to say that I don't think it's a Jingliu problem when people consistently use her in end game.
Tbh…it’s not just Jingliu. I’ve had trouble with all DPS characters. Blade is poo poo I can’t get anything done with Imbib. I only get progress with Kafka and Acheron
Nihility teams are easier to build, rather than a normal dps, for example, although I have a Seele that can do over 40k, she's not consistent with it, because good crit relics are hard to get. Meanwhile my Luka can reach higher ceilings because his kit is just raw attack
Are your support characters built correctly yet? Make sure their traces are 8/10 on everything at the very least and have a good LC on them, that's what makes up 90% of supports imo
@@OfficialBaKa. i was baiting that post. I personally think that the guy saying that Jingliu is bad is a contradiction since I still carry with her, but again like you said it’s really because of the supports help that DPS can shine (unless your name is Acheron) I’m pretty well off. I still clear with everyone.
I do agree that Jing Liu somewhat fell off, specifically because there are less ice weak rooms. But this aint exclusive problem just for her, pretty much every dps character would struggle without their element weakness. And she will get powercrept easily whenever Mihoyo releases frontloaded ice dps with similar damage . But rn she is still best ice dps, one of the better dpsers in game. Saying that she "isn't good" is simply delusional.
in HI3 is way worse trust me, i was using the most recent lightning unit and she outpermormed my physical dps by more then double the dmg on a abyss that had 50% physical dmg bonus and 50% lightning dmg decrease, at least in hsr if the MoC has ice weakness jingliu will outperform most dps
@@recker4267 I mean, your build is shit then. Aponia(most recent phys boss in exalted) is practically unkillable by non-physical chars, and I cleared her in RL with DPS Carole(5.3 character).
@@GolgothianSylex building on HI3 is the most stupid shit ever, somehow it makes genshin artefact system look like is the best thing ever, getting the F2P build is such a pain in the ass that u might aswell just spend crystals, but the game just doesnt give enough to get all the build that u need, so i just went full for senadia and used her for everything, i did had HoS and HoR but my physical team coudnt clear shit, at least on hsr if u just get a jingliu she will still perform well against ice scenarios even if u dont get her LC, but i will still think its stupid that my senadia team was doing over double the dmg then my physical team in a scenario that literally is buffed for physical and nerfed for lightning
@@recker4267 I play F2P normally(stable Red Lotus), you just need to spend really wisely. And prefer stigmatas to artifacts, to be honest, most of my HSR builds are still very bad, Seele 80/180 with LC isn't fun, most supports are also simply 140+ speed with bad stats.
@@recker4267 Since characters are separated into both Element AND Type, they can typically avoid stepping on each others toes for a very long time. It takes months for a character to come out that completely overshadows a previous one. Example is for Imaginary Team, Kiana Mei Bronya are still at the top and they were over a year ago now.
She’s just underwhelming now. It’s not really an argument, it’s just facts. Until Moc gets more ice and better supports release, then she is far behind the others now.
The last MoCs are heavily skewed against her, Aventurine and especially SAM gimmicks are made to counter her. Not only that but they always put bosses with high ice res like Cocolia, Gepard, Yanqing. If a chamber is Ice weak then she will blow it up. Also, why is it a downside that she is only good for Ice content ? Is DHIL good against everyone ? not from my experience. Acheron has built in res pen but Jingliu can also have this buff if you have Ruan Mei.
Even if she gets powercreep I like a lot the character so I play with it. If I had to play for meta and not for the characters or the design or the mechanics etc then omg. Like really personal view on a character > meta.
5:54 Nah bruh das crazy you just have dogshit investment if you can’t even clear Aventurine within 10 cycles with her respectfully I don’t even have her lightcone or Bronya+HuoHuo and I don’t even farm for her relics cause ice cavern is mid and I don’t wanna cope with Quantum set so my crit stats are fucking ass but was still able to do it with 7 She’s not as Braindead OP as she used to be but even without insane investment she can still clear content as an Ice DPS if you have her. She’s already been out for a while so I personally wouldn’t recommend pulling for her anymore unless you really like her design cause a new Ice/any DPS can easily powercreep her and unless they make a support, relic set, lightcone that works insanely well with her specifically she’s going to remain low priority. Anyways just use best girl Acheron for gg ez side clears
to be fair. I aint no damage calculator or meta player but Robin is a good partner for jingliu since she works with mostly everyone. jingliu is gonna like that damage buff and the action advance. So I'd say at least she isn't anti synergistic with Jingliu. I agree she massively fell off though. as someone with a e1s1 Jingliu even I couldn't cleat the adveturine boss with her. and my jingliu was well built to.
I managed to clear it with my jingliu e0s0, luocha, fu xaun, and pela team only missed 3 stars by 1 turn due to shit rng of him going gamble mode in the first phase costing me a whole rotation.
@@shiroeikami8467 maybe but i was going for the safe approach, since i had no knowledge on the fight except the story fight which ended in 3 turns so i missed his stage 2 mech other than that i need defense and AoE for gamble check.
@@SoopDwagg For that MoC, forcing a win on gamble check might be bad. The MoC buff deal damage to Aventurine after you did 6 actions that can deal damage, but if the 6th is triggered on dice gamble phase, it's wasted dealing 0. The only thing that need to be wary of losing from that gamble is the debuff, but Fu Xuan can prevent that 100%. I tried with Jingliu, Tingyun, Pela and Fu Xuan. Sometimes I avoid using Pela ult, if Jingliu is on 1 stack I use basic attack so she won't advanced forward. Fu Xuan skill to prevent the debuff, Tingyun act depending on MoC stack.
@XgoSolo lol, I'm pretty sure anything can be a name on an alien ship when you are dealing with immortal beings that can transform into dragons, fantasy names for a fantasy environment or whatever. In any case, thanks for the reply, just wanted to make sure because I hate to assume that my guess is right without verification.
I think it's more accurate to say Jingliu is falling behind rather than getting worse. Her getting worse would mean nerfs to her kit, when in actuality it's just that she can't keep up as well other DPS anymore. She's still pretty good now, don't get me wrong, but I will say it's accurate to say she's no longer meta.
I found out the hard way that Jingliu could not beat the Aventurie boss even when I summon her to beat him. I finally beat him with my Acheron team with pela, silver wolf and Fu Xuan. Harmony MC was the support character I need to beat the Cocolia boss + rage dinos before getting to the Aventurie boss with my acheron team... (super break is OP with proper investment, DON'T SLEEP ON IT) Kinda taught me a harsh lesson too. Never summon for characters who just rerun unless you are VERY sure they can add something to your current roster or you simply like them.
Who cares if she's not as good? As long as a team clears MOC with 3 stars it doesn't matter how many cycles it takes, whether it be 1 or 10. Some characters will be better at different times, and that's fine.
I'd say she is very good, there are characters that are a lot better, but she is also way better than base form Dan Heng, QingQue, Our General and all of the base 5 star DPS characters (better than some other ones too but I'm lazy). Also the fact that she hasnt received support in x amount of time doesn't make her worse, it has made other DPS that were already better, even better which is not saying much seeing as she's really good. I'm not a JL shill, i use whatever characters look cool and i have pretty much all of them except the dudes (i have dhil though) and yeah while i absolutely agree that she's been left in the dust when it comes to a few DPS i think it is just factually incorrect to say she is bad.
5:10 saying that pela/tingyun/ruanmei is not practical is a really bad argument, all these characters have at least 1 replacement that can be used on the second team, especially now with 3 limited harmony units and duo dps meta. and arguably, jingliu sees the most benefit from both tingyun and pela for her passive uptime and ice respen. 7:10 jingliu is also arguably the dps that "works by itself" the most compared to every other dps because of her base crit values. most of this video is proclaiming to be right with minimal arguments being made, and the arguments aren't all that convincing. disclaimer: i don't have jingliu, no sunken cost
@@XgoSolo the only point i agree with is that she can't make optimal use of the new supports. you also compare her with dhil vs. sam, but sam's weak to imaginary and has a unique sp mechanism that dhil can exploit so it's not really fair, and jl can def clear sam because outgoing healing % mitigates healing reduction. jl has lost value but i think the point is a bit overstated, she's still a top dps worth investing for anyone who has her.
