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Beerus: The Problem Character | The Anatomy of Anime 

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Lord Beerus the Destroyer is one of the most recognizable characters introduced to modern Dragon Ball. This week we add a chapter to the anatomy of anime extensively covering the role Beerus fills within the Dragon Ball world. Is he a good character? Or is he another reason for people to dislike Super?
Odds are it's much more nuanced than that! Let's dive in!
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@TotallyNotMark
@TotallyNotMark 4 года назад
Don't forget to leave a like or dislike! What do you think? Does Beerus serve Dragon Ball Super well?
@satvikgosai3466
@satvikgosai3466 4 года назад
Do a who would you rather be{ kill la kill }
@clumsywarrior6144
@clumsywarrior6144 4 года назад
Love ur vids mark!
@richardperea8163
@richardperea8163 4 года назад
You shoulda used the cartoon bonk effect for jiren. But other that that, amazing video!!
@fernandonavarrete5607
@fernandonavarrete5607 4 года назад
Great video! Just wondering if a hit video would be possible? I feel as if he needs the spotlight
@iceygamingrulez
@iceygamingrulez 4 года назад
Can we get a discord
@Livingroomset799Dep
@Livingroomset799Dep 4 года назад
Beerus: *falls asleep and leaves the Kais on their own* Buu: “It’s free real estate”
@hypercumstone44
@hypercumstone44 4 года назад
Skylerz It really isn’t. It’s the top comment.
@hypercumstone44
@hypercumstone44 4 года назад
Skylerz oh
@rickblaine9670
@rickblaine9670 4 года назад
Funny thing is, he was obviously awake when he allowed Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta, A LOT of time after Buu's rampage, which East Kai must have informed him about. So why didn't he immediately go to Earth and destroy Majin Buu's orb? Given that the monster was still alive and had showed interest in killing his life link partner, Beerus - also given his personality - should have IMMEDIATELY dealt with him. And let's not get started with why the Kais didn't think about waking him up to fight Buu to begin with. He's not very kind with those who disturb him during his naps, true, but the Kais (for obvious reasons) shouldn't be worried about getting hurt by him.
@modernwarrior24
@modernwarrior24 4 года назад
When will these style of memes stop.
@covershopkid
@covershopkid 4 года назад
Fred Marble because retconning is terrible in anime and leaves way too much to “why didn’t this happened before?” Well because writing is bad lol
@windmonkey95
@windmonkey95 4 года назад
Beerus' character is totally fine, the problem is they gave him WAY too much screen time. As one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, his presence should carry a lot of weight and be used sparingly. They should have used his nonchalant and gluttonous attitude as a reason to keep him off screen, and allow Whis to interact with Goku and Vegeta by himself while Beerus is off doing things he finds more worthy of his time. There's no reason a god of destruction should have been turned into some guy that just casually hangs out with mortals all the time because he has nothing better to do. Narratively, nothing would change if you removed Beerus from 95% of the scenes involving Whis, Goku, and Vegeta, but his status as a character to be respected would have still been intact. As a destroyer god, Beerus shouldn't be sitting around watching any fight he claims to not have an interest in who the winner is, he should be treated as someone who's above the squabbles of mortals, only appearing when his interest in a fight is genuinely piqued, whether it be because of the entertainment value he'd find in the fight or because the stakes or so high he can't ignore it. This way Beerus' presence during a conflict would signify that an event carries serious weight, instead of his presence simply sucking all the tension out of the fight because big uncle Beerus could just step in and save his friends.
@trashasaurus
@trashasaurus 4 года назад
Agreed, Death Note did it correctly with Ryuk, he always made it very clear he didn't care what happened he was just there for the entertainment and they wrote him as such. If Ryuk stepped in to help/influence Light anytime he was in trouble or couldn't figure out what to do it would of made the show way less enjoyable.
@cosmickarma855
@cosmickarma855 4 года назад
But earth food
@Champsr0ck2247
@Champsr0ck2247 4 года назад
I think some of this is relatively skewed since 3/5 arcs of Super do need Beerus' presence. The U6 fight and the ToP do need Beerus to be a spectator. He's been mostly forced to watch fights rather than pop in and watch it. But it really does feel weird during Resurrection F and Black Sagas, where we know that Beerus could end the entire plot before it begins because he is literally chillin with Bulma.
@unknownyoutuber3424
@unknownyoutuber3424 4 года назад
WELL FUCKING SAID THIS IS THE APPROACH THEY SHOULD START TAKING ITS NOT TOO LATE EITHER
@monchete9934
@monchete9934 4 года назад
@@WrathofFenrir99 And the funny part is that even when the characters willingly use the big dragon-like genie figure (Shenron, Porunga, whatever) as a safety net, it doesn't suck up the tension because the process of grabbing the McGuffins is where the tension is put instead, and this is made clear in the Namek arc.
@Baikanon
@Baikanon 4 года назад
I think the ToP used Beerus well by literally restraining him, forcing him to learn to respect those who do not have a same power level, but similar determination. I think that lets the audience benefit from his personality and put him through a growth arc without many of the problems you discussed in this video.
@fellasmann
@fellasmann 4 года назад
Baikanon I think you have a point. The ToP gave us an arc where Beerus no longer is a safety net and the cast has to win with no win buttons or get out of jail free cards. I don’t think he’s a bad character, and even if he has problems, he could’ve been so much worse.
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 4 года назад
Baikallllnon well said, that's exactly how I felt about him TOP...Beerus' fear of erased and his life being dependent on mortals really made him a interesting..and that made him value Goku's ultra instinct, Vegeta battle with Toppo and Jiren or Gohan and Frieza teaming up to defeat Dyspo...or Even Master Roshi's final fight...made Beerus interact with everyone...I love the scene where Beerus says "Here he comes" while Goku awakening of ultra instinct...Beerus carries a realm.of reverence around him...every word he says was important in Tournament of power...really loved Tournament of power and characters like Beerus, Jiren, Golden Frieza, 17..loved how they executed the arc...
@catchdemhands412
@catchdemhands412 4 года назад
Yea when Beerus gave props and acknowledged Master Roshi (the character with the lowest power level on the team) and had respect for him real proves your point. Great observation. Toriyama made a paragon character go through growth and it worked lol
@KingofAwesomness14
@KingofAwesomness14 4 года назад
yah know...i actually haven't thought of that. that's brillant! This is brillant!!
@L-eye-t
@L-eye-t 4 года назад
@@fellasmann Can't the Omni-King be considered a safety net?
@Nijwol707true
@Nijwol707true 4 года назад
The real problem of the character is that he's trash in Fighterz
@Nygassso
@Nygassso 4 года назад
He got some buffs
@zardichar3903
@zardichar3903 4 года назад
Eeeh not so much anymore. Hes still low tier but atleast his DP is actually a properly functioning DP now
@hasanalharaz7454
@hasanalharaz7454 4 года назад
Isn’t he good for zoning?
@fddr-lk1ue
@fddr-lk1ue 4 года назад
And xenoverse 2
@sirlagsalot1050
@sirlagsalot1050 4 года назад
@@hasanalharaz7454 nope, Broly and basically anyone with a beam like projectile are far better; even Frieza. His orbs aren't really zoning tools, they're for okizeme and some cool combos
@jacobmonks3722
@jacobmonks3722 4 года назад
I think Beerus himself is a good character. He's funny and entertaining and imposing all at the same time. But they just didn't really know how to use him effectively past the Battle of Gods arc in my opinion.
@skfrederick5
@skfrederick5 4 года назад
Nerdy George Washington Beerus is a neutral. He’s role in the anime is to destroy worlds to maintain balance. How else would you want them to use him? As a Z fighter? If so frieza would be long dead. Same with zamasu.
@Sharikacat
@Sharikacat 4 года назад
@James Godby Which is the dilemma for writing Beerus. If he needs to be involved, then you're beyond Goku's ability to yell himself into a new hairstyle. Beerus' power is so far beyond everyone that he is better used for dramatic storytelling, but when you have a series based on people fighting each other, Beerus engaging would rob tension because of his God-level power. The series can't use him for what his character is actually good at and doesn't want to spend time with what he could actually contribute to a story.
@nightshroud9671
@nightshroud9671 3 года назад
@@skfrederick5 Which is exactly the problem. He messes up the threats of the villains by existing there. If he steps in, the enemy in question is done for unless they have a way to properly counter a Destroyer God
@jp3813
@jp3813 4 года назад
0:39 The comments sections tend to be more negative than the polls or ratings b/c they're basically the bitching areas of the internet. Content people often have nothing to say.
@bringinthedope5929
@bringinthedope5929 4 года назад
big FACTZ
@dukes1993724
@dukes1993724 4 года назад
Melon Baller Who pissed in your Frosted Flakes?
@jp3813
@jp3813 4 года назад
@Melon Baller You're trying to find an argument that doesn't exist. You basically just confirmed everything I stated since there were no opinions at all in my comment, genius.
@vegitodev
@vegitodev 4 года назад
jp3813 he’s true though
@shiranuiaensland1442
@shiranuiaensland1442 4 года назад
@@vegitodev A true oversensitive prick who puts words in people's mouths.
@BlueGuyTube
@BlueGuyTube 4 года назад
"They needed Whis as his involment was crucial for the conclusion" Actually i think he wasn't needed at all, they could have let Vegeta win for once in that moment. The fact that they used Whis for time travel, to me, feels like they NEEDED to do something with those characters, otherwise they would have been useless to the plot
@GrandLufaine
@GrandLufaine 4 года назад
Finally, someone agrees!
@Sharikacat
@Sharikacat 4 года назад
They needed Whis to rob Vegeta of a win because God-forbid anybody but Goku gets to save the day. It's like the only way in which Vegeta is allowed to surpass Goku is in being a damn father.
@ChimpRevolution
@ChimpRevolution 4 года назад
True idk what was the point of the earth being blown up and goku having to Kamehameha freeza after receiving 80% of the screen time
@seaking9283
@seaking9283 Год назад
@@Sharikacatlol even picclo and gohan have defeated main villins and all vegeta ever gets in terms of W is killing fodder villins and goons lol
@tiablue9106
@tiablue9106 Год назад
@@seaking9283 when has piccolo ever defeated a main villain? (assuming u actually mean MAIN villain and not like raditz or smth)
@theamazingmaymay123
@theamazingmaymay123 4 года назад
I love Beerus to death. And the way I see it is like this: it’s the Turtle and the Hare. He is better, faster and stronger but Is lazy. Goku and Vegeta are slowly catching up, bc they choose to keep improving and moving forward, while Beerus lays and sleeps. Him being a constant threat n never involving helps
@juliandavidhoffer2022
@juliandavidhoffer2022 4 года назад
Wow you put more thought into his character than Toriyama ever did lol
@Purpose_Porpoise
@Purpose_Porpoise 4 года назад
@@juliandavidhoffer2022 How do you know that?
@VarjoPira
@VarjoPira 4 года назад
"Him being a constant threat n never involving helps." This would've been a much better direction for his character arc since the start, instead of 'redeeming' him in one movie's time. He's no longer that unpredictable factor that could bite you in the neck when you ask for help. He's just a plot device, and exists solely to help move the key players into position, or as a deux ex machina.
4 года назад
Funny coincidence is Goku is of the Turtle School
@juliandavidhoffer2022
@juliandavidhoffer2022 4 года назад
Vile Weasel because the character was invented by someone else and Toriyama took it over misinterpreted his name and Toriyama’d the character up. All of Toriyamas characters are surface level there isn’t much depth to any of them.
@RYCKroll
@RYCKroll 4 года назад
“I will not let you destroy my world.” Always shakes me to the core, it was like Goku and Frieza again. The stakes were there, and incredible adversity. With Beerus’ stance of neutral, it shows an interesting arc, because I think he honestly hates it after awhile. He has IMMENSE power but he’s not entirely allowed to do anything, and EVEN WITH this power he’s still outclassed by angels and Zeno. I think that’s the great thing with his and Gokus relationship, someone is always stronger. He wants to make Goku the next bad ass in the universe or at least that’s what I think.
@the_enderslayer
@the_enderslayer 4 года назад
I'm sorry, I agree, but at the same time, I just find the way he said it funny because it's so rapid fire. It's more like "III WILLNOTLETYOUDESTROYMYWORRRLD". Like it's a serious situation and serious line but I can't help but laugh.
@Deusmach1008
@Deusmach1008 4 года назад
@@the_enderslayer Thats one of DBZ's biggest problems with the Dub its not badass its just bad acting.
@alfa01spotivo
@alfa01spotivo 4 года назад
Deus1008 Yeah no. Some cheesy lines but it's mostly well performed
@babyorenji4211
@babyorenji4211 4 года назад
@@Deusmach1008 So, the grandma shriek is badass?
@Thatalbinodude
@Thatalbinodude 4 года назад
@@babyorenji4211 yes....yes it is. By the sheer fact that that grandma is 80 years strong and still belting out screams on par with Schemmel the shmuck.
@ChristopherJohnDotCom
@ChristopherJohnDotCom 3 года назад
Beerus is my favorite. Your suggestion that he's like a father watching kids fight is spot on. Very godlike. I love that perspective while the world is on the brink of destruction.
@misia_lina
@misia_lina 4 года назад
Lack of Ten Shin? Yeah, he is missing a lot of times
@geddermedgeddy7777
@geddermedgeddy7777 4 года назад
Personally, i like beerus's character. It is intresting along with his place in the db universe.....BUT HIS VOICE (so soothing)
@tastedivinefury2198
@tastedivinefury2198 4 года назад
Geddermed Geddy which one
@geddermedgeddy7777
@geddermedgeddy7777 4 года назад
@@tastedivinefury2198 aLl Of ThEm
@JetTheHawkpwns
@JetTheHawkpwns 4 года назад
tAsTe DiVinE fUry both but English just hits different
@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938
@thenotoriousmichaeljackson8938 4 года назад
JetTheHawkpwns Frfr
@danr8267
@danr8267 4 года назад
As well as a whis. Whis's voice is the definition of an angel.
@SakuraAvalon
@SakuraAvalon 4 года назад
"Imagine how suspenseful Freeza's defeat of Goku would have been, had Vegeta been the only one left to settle things" Not very suspenseful at all. We know that Freeza's tired, injured, and burning through energy at an alarming rate. We know Vegeta's been training alongside Goku. Freeza had no chance, and we can see that when Vegeta casually beats him like a Freeza Soldier. Beerus wasn't the issue with that movie. The issue was Freeza's new form was a joke. We're told it's 'stronger than Blue', but it never really proves it, and in the end Freeza has to get in a cheap shot(in such a stupid way) to beat Goku. Freeza's power crapping out is what really killed the tension. If Goku had been backed into a corner, and required Vegeta's help to stand a chance against Freeza, forcing them to work together(ala Super Broly) this would have been WAY better. Removing Beerus doesn't remove how little tension Freeza delivers, when he's running out of gas, and has to get help from his henchmen to not get his ass handed to him any further.
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko 4 года назад
Atsuko Kagari the problem with Frieza wasn’t his power running out but the fact that he surpassed every Super Saiyan level in 4 months. He went from less than SSJ (Frieza saga) to higher than SSJ Blue in 120 days training with a guy barely at Zarbon and Dodoria’s level.
@SakuraAvalon
@SakuraAvalon 4 года назад
Luis Brito So, you're saying if his power boost had been properly earned, and felt justified. You would have no issue with him running out faster than the Switch's battery life, and getting his ass handed to him by Goku? (until he cheats, so Vegeta can then beat him up with no effort)?
@ChaddyFantome
@ChaddyFantome 4 года назад
My thoughts exactly OP. Beerus wasnt the reason there was no tension. The movie did a good enough job on it's own with that. And Beerus' existence didnt stop DBS:Broly from having tension.
@mhead1117
@mhead1117 4 года назад
I mean he was beating gokus ass till he got tired...i thought it was pretty clear he was stronger.
@robinthrush9672
@robinthrush9672 4 года назад
That and the whole premiss was "Oh look, it's Goku's most iconic adversary that he only talked to for about an hour (being generous) and had no previous history with back from the dead, but more powerful, because reasons. Yaaay...."
@571danu
@571danu 4 года назад
I agree with him removing tension from most scenes, but I loved every scene he was in. He even elevated the tension in crucial scenes in the show. When he confronts zamasu, when he threatens to kill goku, and when he warns frieza after he trapped goku in the Hakai. I hope we see more of his serious side.
@DiegoTheRebel
@DiegoTheRebel 3 года назад
Beerus reminds me of a bitter middle-aged man with three ex-wives, his own successful burger joint, and a fondness for cheap booze He's a great character
@termsofutilization
@termsofutilization 4 года назад
I really like Beerus as a character. Somehow, "God is competent and can totally save you, but just doesn't care enough about you or your problems to get involved in your bullshit." seems like a new direction for Dragon Ball. I like it. I never felt like a cold and uncaring god watching over deflated the tension in Resurrection F.
@nightshroud9671
@nightshroud9671 3 года назад
Problem is the possibility. If Beerus ended up fighting in Resurrection F, Frieza is done for. Seeing Frieza shitting himself at seeing Beerus messes up his threat there.
@kanyemadmid
@kanyemadmid 3 года назад
The problem with this flaw of Beerus is that the heroes are always gonna win lol. If the series ends it’s gonna be on a high note, not a villain loss.
@Mbrace818
@Mbrace818 4 года назад
"He also provides a massive downside that Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z never had to contend with. A lose of tension." I would say the dragon balls themselves did that plenty. You know, the things the series is named after? Someone dies? No problem. Just wish them back. Personally, I'd like it to be written in the show somehow that the regular dragon balls get destroyed/deactivated permanently or something, and the super dragon balls are the only remaining namesake artifacts of the show. I like the idea behind the super dragon balls. They're far more powerful than the regular dragon balls, yet they alleviate far less tension than the regular ones. The regular dragon balls, are the main casts play thing that they've grown to completely take for granted now, while the super dragon balls present themselves with a heavy restriction of usage in that you basically can't use them without the aid of the gods. The problem with Super is that they have both, Beerus (and Whis) as well as the regular dragon balls. I'd prefer Beerus to replace the regular dragon balls as the thing the main cast uses as a crutch. Because unlike the regular dragon balls, Beerus is sort of a wild card. He may not agree with you. He may not be your friend in a particular situation. He may choose to be lazy and not lift a damn finger. He may outright get angry at you and become your enemy. Where as, the dragon balls, you just gather them fuckers and wish for whatever the hell you damn want (okay, not whatever you want, but still...). The Dragon Ball franchise, as its name implies, needs to have dragon balls in them. In DB and Z, there were only the regular ones, so they couldn't be replaced. But now there's super dragon balls. If those were the only ones, the main cast couldn't use them as a crutch. There could easily be plotlines where the cast has to convince the deities to let them use them, which would obviously be met with great resistance.
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko 4 года назад
LightyearGaming that plan can’t work considering that the dragon balls were deactivated once and all they did was create new ones. At this point, I’m ok with better writing rather than “stakes.” Dragon Ball worked well at the beginning without them.
@Mbrace818
@Mbrace818 4 года назад
@@LuisBrito-ly1ko It can be written in the show that they can no-longer create new ones. We're talking about creative writing at the end of the day, which is only limited by the imagination of people writing in the show. I'm certain there's a way to write out the regular dragon balls from the show. I can think of several ways on a whim.
@nyankers
@nyankers 4 года назад
the dragonballs never removed tension, they just allowed status quo to return in the end they gave the story an "all's well ends well" for the heroes... but only if they "earned" it
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko 4 года назад
Mbrace Then, the show’s name wouldn’t make sense anymore. Besides, they activated the dragon balls several times now that I checked up. So, Dende no longer being able to create more will be seen as convenient for the plot. And New Namek has still its set of dragon balls. Taking out the Earth’s Dragon Balls will just move the scenario to space. And if we remove them as well, then the title would make even less sense. The dragon balls should be the items around which the plot goes. You can’t do it with the Super Dragon Balls. Too big, too hidden in two universes, and limited by language. It worked with Zamasu because he was a god, but he still needed Zuno to know their location ( And we still don’t know how in heaven he moved those things across two universes ). Though, you can’t bring more evil gods out nowhere that magically knows about the SDB. Even Beerus didn’t know much about them while Champa was probably helped by Vados in that regard. The Earth’s dragon balls never removed stakes as they can’t do anything to beings stronger than their creator, so pretty much no one. They are meant to restore the status quo AFTER the battle, which we don’t know they’ll win.
@ernestoacosta7918
@ernestoacosta7918 4 года назад
For much of dbz the dragon balls were out of commission or were threatened by an enemy or earth destroying event
@Tolnin
@Tolnin 4 года назад
I absolutely loved Beerus in Battle of Gods, but Super has kind of ruined him
@udithsethu552
@udithsethu552 4 года назад
His best moment was his hakai against zamasu other then that he pretty much did nothing but i don't think that ruins his character at all he is powerful and lazy so he is in character by not doing much in super except be lazy and sleep like his character is.
@nicholasfitzgerald585
@nicholasfitzgerald585 4 года назад
Yea there with you. I like beerus. Just don't like super.
@glennabraham2345
@glennabraham2345 4 года назад
I see you the problem is just he’s too powerful and is supposed to be neutral. He’d end every arc immediately if he got involved. So the writers can’t use him if they’re trying to build any kind of tension.
@zak8302
@zak8302 4 года назад
I think when the manga showed that beerus was like the 3rd strongest G.O.D there in the fight they had
@supersaiyanwarriorz6775
@supersaiyanwarriorz6775 4 года назад
@@glennabraham2345 I disagree. Beerus can be used in tension building. Example: Imagine if we got a villian that beat beerus in battle after BOG but before the TOP. That would build Major tension and would get us back those Z days of where its just up to Goku and frinds to save the day.
@DBZMacky
@DBZMacky 4 года назад
Now we need a Nyan cat edit with Beerus
@buggsmalone8178
@buggsmalone8178 4 года назад
Y e s
@pewpewfgc
@pewpewfgc 3 года назад
N O N O N O N O N O
@anuradhashanubhogue5919
@anuradhashanubhogue5919 3 года назад
No
@reptarku_9107
@reptarku_9107 3 года назад
"I will not let you destroy my world" that scene went hard asf I'll never forget it
@phenomenonnarutokun
@phenomenonnarutokun 4 года назад
Never had a lack of tension? The Dragonballs?!
@TheAzulmagia
@TheAzulmagia 4 года назад
To be fair, the Dragon Balls at least had rules attached that prevented people from being brought back from the dead more than once, so they didn't eliminate tension initially. But then Namek got introduced, giving the cast access to another set of Dragon Balls that got around that. And while that was fine for a one-off, the arc made it so that Dende was reintroduced and then he made a new set of Dragon Balls that basically said "Free come back to life card whenever you want". So now the only real tension is if Earth and Namek are destroyed AND Zen'o doesn't let them use the Super Dragon Balls for some reason.
@pimentx3253
@pimentx3253 4 года назад
@@TheAzulmagia Doesn't the ending of DBZ happens after this, so we know that nothing bad will ever happen, unless they retcon it.
@trentdavis404
@trentdavis404 4 года назад
@@TheAzulmagia using the super dragon balls is a big headache since they would need to contact Jaco for space travel and he isn't around most of the time also they would need to learn the "God language" and beerus doesn't like to help them out so yeah
@mykellbroughton310
@mykellbroughton310 4 года назад
You still have to survive to use them.
@cartoonhigh9990
@cartoonhigh9990 4 года назад
Luffy1045 Fr! Tension left a while ago!
@nuage5985
@nuage5985 4 года назад
Frieza should have revealed that Beerus ordered for the destruction of planet Vegeta in the movie Resurrection F as a last ditch effort to save his own neck. Ty for the all likes btw :D
@icejaykay
@icejaykay 4 года назад
I RexZero I Now that they didn’t and he’s still alive he should bring it up again and we might see Vegeta get enraged and a Vegeta Vs Beerus brawls.
@techno0suck3r
@techno0suck3r 4 года назад
he didn't order it. he gave his approval, whis whispered that beerus wanted to destroy planet vegeta.
4 года назад
@@techno0suck3r Frieza is no stranges to lying to further his goals
@zak8302
@zak8302 4 года назад
Would be awesome . Something that freiza would do anyway
@dwatsonj
@dwatsonj 4 года назад
Lol I don't think that would've saved him... that would've made Beerus destroy on the spot
@KayleFootsweat
@KayleFootsweat 4 года назад
Name a more iconic duo than mark and asking his Twitter followers.
@TotallyNotMark
@TotallyNotMark 4 года назад
Well in KM Weiland's book 'Creating Character Arcs' she writes about John Truby's anatomy of story
@bigtastyben5119
@bigtastyben5119 4 года назад
Shrek and Donkey
@sevensevenseven9351
@sevensevenseven9351 4 года назад
Mickey Mouse and Goofy
@PalPlays
@PalPlays 4 года назад
Twitter and canceling someone who did nothing wrong.
@goduzamaki4118
@goduzamaki4118 4 года назад
@@PalPlays *t h i s*
@TheKisj
@TheKisj 4 года назад
Imo the single greatest moment of beerus is when he intervenes with zamasu and destroys him
@ChaddyFantome
@ChaddyFantome 4 года назад
Beerus' best scene was when he actually did his job. XD
@Samanosuke187
@Samanosuke187 4 года назад
Beerus has one massive positive. He’s essentially given a power ceiling and a goal for Goku and Vegeta to get to and his presence is a constant reminder of how much further Goku and Vegeta have got to go and it also gives a good estimation on how much Longer Super has. Like you said Beerus isn’t a villain but an antagonist. I also feel like he’s either the endgame for Super or Something even he struggles with is the end game. That’s what is so great about Beerus’ character.
@PlayingWithMahWii
@PlayingWithMahWii 4 года назад
Chi-Chi: The Unreasonable Character
@sideways_chip_eater6420
@sideways_chip_eater6420 4 года назад
chi-chi: the Karen character
@ZootedBeaver
@ZootedBeaver 4 года назад
@@sideways_chip_eater6420 lmao
@dizzee6089
@dizzee6089 4 года назад
Hercule: The unbeatable character
@LilithSoul4
@LilithSoul4 4 года назад
@@dizzee6089 Mr. Satan*
@dizzee6089
@dizzee6089 4 года назад
@@LilithSoul4 same thing. Hercule Satan, Satan Hercule.
@joshualowe959
@joshualowe959 4 года назад
The only time Beerus actually battled was in Battle of Gods
@siinostra
@siinostra 4 года назад
and with the monaka costume thing
@MiniiNinja
@MiniiNinja 4 года назад
And he held back. Like imagine he just Hakai'd Goku lol
@1alterss
@1alterss 4 года назад
@@MiniiNinja he held back in battle of gods
@SeaHorseOfYoutube
@SeaHorseOfYoutube 4 года назад
He fought the other GoDs in an exhibition match for Zeno in the manga. The anime really missed out on adapting this because they were ahead.
@joshualowe959
@joshualowe959 4 года назад
@@SeaHorseOfRU-vid And Beerus didn't even fight Broly.
@dreadrath
@dreadrath 4 года назад
I didn't like him until he erased Zamasu, after that I started to like him.
@frieza2235
@frieza2235 4 года назад
hakai
@livesathome2475
@livesathome2475 4 года назад
REEEEEEE-ded
@vincentshadetree
@vincentshadetree 4 года назад
I don't see him as a problem character, he's a bridge to expanding the universe and future threats the DB fighters can explore. Entertaining video though 😎
@pascalsimioli6777
@pascalsimioli6777 4 года назад
So he's a bridge to more powerlevel? I don't really think that's what DB needed. That's exactly what ruined DB, we needed smaller stakes and less power. Enough with galaxy destroyin punch and ruler of universe wannabes.
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko 4 года назад
Pascal Simioli “power levels” aren’t a thing since Frieza saga
@fightingmedialounge519
@fightingmedialounge519 4 года назад
Except the concepts of what they are still remain.
@Auxified
@Auxified 4 года назад
Did you watch the video? That was largely part of his point. Beerus needs to be around to allow for the universe expansion and plot, but he doesn't have anything to do, so he's just a sideline character who is a problem for the writers because they don't really have anything for him to do.
@vincentshadetree
@vincentshadetree 4 года назад
@@Auxified Of course I watched it, otherwise I wouldn't have said anything lol. My point was that Beerus is a god, gods don't intervene at wordly problems. He didn't stop Vegeta from blowing up that planet of innocents (I think they were 😁) or the Namekians being slaughtered, or any other atrocities that happen. I'm simply saying his position doesn't allow him to do anything unless it pertains to his role
@boldofyou1094
@boldofyou1094 3 года назад
Really never understood the hate for Beerus. He has an interesting and inspired character design, an interesting Lil character progression in which we see him slowly care more about the people of earth, and he served as a gateway to expanding the dragon ball mythos. Yeah he had a touch too much screen time but there’s certainly worse characters.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 4 года назад
As the end of the Universal Survival Arc showed, Beerus doesn't need to suck the tension out of the story. It does that on its own at this point.
@Auxified
@Auxified 4 года назад
That's fair. Super is certainly not on par with Z in that department.
@Inviabledude45
@Inviabledude45 4 года назад
@@Auxified I mean not really. Z had no tension after the frieza saga because of the namikian dragonballs and really instant transmission. At any point during saga outside of buu goku could litteraly teleport the enemy to otherworld and leave them there since they couldn't teleport. Also the namikan dragonballs completely remove any tension whatsoever as the main cast at any point in the show can get 3 wishes. Heck even the frieza saga itself was using the namikian dragon balls to fix what happened in the sayain saga essiantly making any tension in the sayain saga really not matter. Since dragonball is a story we know the main character will prevail in the end. What we usually don't know is what will the cost be such as a friends death. Since the dragonballs remove the concept of death and destruction compelty from the show the only time the zfigthers are actually in danger is in super when the universe is put on the line. So really tension that came from the orginal series is self created because it isn't there if you actually understand how the dragon balls work. Also this isn't even hidden. The show directly tells you there isn't tension when goku directly tells gohan don't worry about killing people because of the dragon balls and piccloo tells super buu directly to kill everyone on earth. So really super is the most tension db has had since the sayain saga and rof is the same amount of tension as anh other saga. Actually more tension because frieza can just blow up the planet multiple times and than go to namek if the namekians try to help the zfighters. One thing I will say is that rof did try to force tension by having goku get knocked by a stupid Lazar in blue form where as vegeta had to lower his durabltiy just to get hurt by krillen. Multiple times in z mutliple things such as dende healing everyone drastically lowered the tension. I don't think having a lack of tension is bad as not everything has to be super danger all the time but if you don't consider it a critsim of z than it's not a critsim of super. I mean you could argue atmosphere but not tension.
@Auxified
@Auxified 4 года назад
@@Inviabledude45 I would disagree with the majority of your points. I think Z had a lot of tension in every arc and saga. I believe that your arguments are too heavily dependent on meta knowledge. For example, even if we choose to assume the protagonist will overcome the villain, that doesn't mean all of the tension of the story is loaded onto the cost of success (through side characters & other intangibles). Putting the protagonist into dire situations that look grim creates tons of tension, even if we know they won't cease to exist. This is because the series is about the journey not the destination. This is why Goku fighting Frieza on Namek, which is about to explode completely eclipses the Goku vs Golden fight in ROF. In ROF Frieza is not really taken seriously by anyone. Even when Goku gets shot he just gets a senzu bean and moves along. Compare that to how Vegeta acted in the Namek saga, where he was completely terrified of Frieza, and every engagement was a severe risk of death. If the main characters of your show aren't even intimidated by the villain then why should we be? As for the hypothetical suggestions like Goku using IT to deposit enemies into otherworld, we should probably just assume he can't or would not do that, since it never occurred. Cell had IT anyway, and maybe Buu would have destroyed it(?). It's also worth noting that the dragon balls have a long cooldown, and only work when the guardian is alive. If Earth were wiped out and then the guardian on new namek were killed then it might have even lead to an entire other journey to see if dragon balls existed on other planets (kind of like how GT went). Lastly, even if we say that the tournament of power had tension, its still only half of super, and a lot of it was fighting clowns that were unworthy of fully powering up. I still think it was pretty good, but comparing it to Z? It's no contest for me man.
@Inviabledude45
@Inviabledude45 4 года назад
@@Auxified what your talking about is atmorespere. Z had a more serious atmosphere and tone but zero tension. Super had more tension because beerus and their other opponents actually raised the stakes to the point where the namikan dragonballs simply wouldn't help the zfighters where in z even the end fight was won because of the namikian dragonballs. I mean at any point during the buu saga they could have just wished ultmaite gohan back into the fight with the dragonballs and win that way. Z creates fake tension for a more serious atmosphere. It's really the same as what rof did by making goku go down to a lazar( from krillen injuring vegeta the zfigthers have to actually lower their defense to be injured meaning goku just randomly decided be wanted to be Lazar level) the result is even though it leads to amazing moments like vegeta taking down frieza or the final spirit bomb to end the serious. The reason z felt more tense is because it also centered around the development of characters giving fights more meaning than just oh this character dies. For example even though the original fight with the androids with vegeta and goku's first super sayain fight with goku serve no stakes whatsoever they are still development moments for goku and vegeta which makes the fight feel more serious or more important than they really are. So overall what your comparing between super and z isn't tension but atmosphere and overall how they present the fights. Because when you look at the stories super actually has more tension because of who the villains are. Frieza actually knows about the namikan dragonballs and the dragonballs and as well as the ablity to breathe in space. Beerus is a litteral god and everytime goku talks to the omni king it could mean the end of the universe. It has more tension but the overall atmosphere is much lighter proably done on purpose because akriya toriyama figured that you cant really do a serious tone with ranking up states without it losing its impact. So even though super does rank up the states creating more tension it doesn't focus on this tension and more on how goku and the others react to it. Since vegeta isn't cocky and egotistical because oh my pride and goku overall is super light hearted it leads to a more upbeat atmosphere than serious atmosphere.
@Auxified
@Auxified 4 года назад
@@Inviabledude45 I agree with your points about atmosphere, but not about tension. I don't want to get too technical but it's probably important to do so. Tension is defined as the stress/strain from facing an opposing force. There are definitely points of high tension in Super, like you mentioned when Goku first talks to the grand zeno, and even picks him up, but these moments are rare. In my opinion fights like Goku vs Majin Vegeta had some of the largest tension in all of DB, because of Vegeta's struggle with his own ideals & goals. The serious atmosphere amplified this tension, especially when Goku starts charging a ki blast at Supreme Kai for interrupting. Conversely I think fights like Goku vs Golden Frieza in ROF lacked tension because it was blatantly one sided from the start. It could have been very different if the plot wasn't simply that Frieza comes to earth and gets smacked down by Goku with Vegeta calmly watching (until the cheeky laser part). Fake tension is an interesting concept. I assume what you mean by this is that the stress/strain the characters observe from the opposing force is not "valid". For example, why does death matter if the dragon balls can just revive someone? I would argue that this is just a natural part of the dragon ball experience. For example there was no need for Master Roshi to dramatically nearly sacrifice himself to take out a weakling. You are right that fake tension in Z exists to make the atmosphere more serious, but I would say this is just a flaw of the show granting so much power to undo negative outcomes, which certainly carries over into Super. In summary, I think that fights in DB should have tension, especially between the "main" characters. If they aren't struggling or suffering at all then it's kind of just a fight for fun, instead of a legitimate obstacle that deserves 100%. In this regard I think Super did alright, but Z delivers every time.
@eqWillibrium
@eqWillibrium 4 года назад
Hehehe I love how the beginning pauses on Zamasu’s scream
@acasualfanboy1862
@acasualfanboy1862 4 года назад
Broly should've fought Beerus instead of Freeza, can you imagine the hype when the trailers would go BEERUS VS BROLY? It would also be much cooler to show Broly being on that level instead of having Goku saying that he is, the old 'show don't tell'
@ShimmerScarlet
@ShimmerScarlet 4 года назад
They don't want to do that because beerus is a goal to reach. If they ever make a definitive limit for Beerus, Goku's goal is gone besides "get strong" If "Beerus level" is ever reached, he will probably just have a "true power" or just train and become OP again.
@krupalkulkarni705
@krupalkulkarni705 4 года назад
Totally Not Mark: Beerus is a problem character Beerus: Heh, Heh! *Taps his little finger on his dinner table*
@chadboyle4107
@chadboyle4107 3 года назад
Takes half Nice new half table design
@brianwallace2038
@brianwallace2038 4 года назад
7:05 Giant Beerus trying to eat Whis' clothes.
@alexescorza8120
@alexescorza8120 4 года назад
Okay I was not ready for that intro I spit out my drink
@Dr6or7KraftSingles
@Dr6or7KraftSingles 4 года назад
I mean beerus just acts like a cat so idc how hes badly written to anyone
@AlexanderWeixelbaumer
@AlexanderWeixelbaumer 4 года назад
Berus is the egyptian Anubis
@H.N.I.C_Hennessy
@H.N.I.C_Hennessy 4 года назад
@@AlexanderWeixelbaumer nah bruh hes just a strong ass house cat lol
@YaBoiGuzma
@YaBoiGuzma 4 года назад
@@AlexanderWeixelbaumer He's quite obviously a cat. More specifically a sphinx.
@alecgeinitz8769
@alecgeinitz8769 4 года назад
Fake news bitch I told you this I just make fun of em
@alecgeinitz8769
@alecgeinitz8769 4 года назад
Kitty litter is a bitch keep in the box
@ligtningdog6399
@ligtningdog6399 4 года назад
(Haven't watch the video yet). In a series that was about reaching new heights in power, Beerus is the ever-present, unmovable, skill-ceiling that Super keeps banging it's head against with each arc.
@thacobell4700
@thacobell4700 4 года назад
I think Beerus is a great character that simply gets misused sometimes. That's more a problem with the plotting than the character though.
@ThisIsJesus
@ThisIsJesus 4 года назад
The comments are more negative because angry people are louder.
@ThisIsJesus
@ThisIsJesus 4 года назад
@DeadlyNeedle ! if you're angry, you are more likely to speak your mind about things, especially on the internet. If you are happy or content, people are more reserved because they have nothing to really say. Aside. "I'm happy with this because " but boy if someone is upset, they will let you n everyone know.
@teedakid1930
@teedakid1930 4 года назад
"I will not let you destroy my world!" I get chills every time.
@AlmightyKing143
@AlmightyKing143 4 года назад
Intro caught me off guard lmao I adore your drawings and thumbnails Mark!
@brianetie86
@brianetie86 4 года назад
Beerus would be a better character if his name was “Hakaio Sama” 👀👀
@tastedivinefury2198
@tastedivinefury2198 4 года назад
Brian Etie damn nice one
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 4 года назад
Lol. Now HAKAI.
@blue_wr3ck827
@blue_wr3ck827 4 года назад
Hakaio = Destroyio? Eh?
@succubastard1019
@succubastard1019 4 года назад
@@blue_wr3ck827 "Hakai" + "Oh" literally means "Destruction King".
@tastedivinefury2198
@tastedivinefury2198 4 года назад
ZdogZaraClarke this means something like destruction king
@abortionreborn5761
@abortionreborn5761 4 года назад
It's all worth it for that "What a guy" line when Goku masters UI.
@steel-man13
@steel-man13 4 года назад
Would love to see one of these on Kefla, love your art style
@juliandavidhoffer2022
@juliandavidhoffer2022 4 года назад
What do you think he would have to say about a fusion character? He would probably just talk about Kale and Caulifla individually.
@Dan-bz2nh
@Dan-bz2nh 4 года назад
Yeah I need a video about one of my most hated "characters" in Dragon Ball. seriously Caulifla is honestly one of the worst characters ever introduced into Dragon Ball in a VERY long time
@juliandavidhoffer2022
@juliandavidhoffer2022 4 года назад
Dan character is a strong word. She’s just arrogant and that all there is to her so there wouldn’t be a lot to talk about.
@steel-man13
@steel-man13 4 года назад
Headshredder idk probably about how the community is split on them, think they’re a Mary Sue. Or something I’m sure he has a lot to say
@steel-man13
@steel-man13 4 года назад
Headshredder like Vegito is an arrogant fighter but the community loves him
@darkside7802
@darkside7802 4 года назад
Those are the arguments I’ve always made and I get bitched at.
@nesw4301
@nesw4301 4 года назад
I first started watching Dragon Ball when I was 11 (1996 Saturday mornings on upn I believe, in the usa) and have been watching it ever since. It's has been 24 years now and I'm not ashamed of it.
@rayb2623
@rayb2623 2 года назад
Making a point to go back and rewatch all your content (priority to Dragon Ball) again. Sucks to see what happened over the holidays and sucks to not see as many videos come from your channel. With that, I know I a lot of us are waiting to hear more of your thoughts on the upcoming movie this April. You’re one of the biggest voices to a lot of folks on DB character progression and story/narrative arcs. Too understandable that you’re probably still apprehensive over the whole ordeal I’m sure you’re still battling. Regardless, have to let you know, the viewers still love you Mark. You’re a talented dude and we haven’t forgotten… Haven’t forgotten your talent, the joy you bring folks through your content, the knowledge or the deeper inter workings of plot that you impart, and your genuinely positive and hopeful spirit. Again man, looking forward to the next projects. Gonna keep supporting and running up the numbers on what you still have on the platform. Take care of yourself! Very Respectfully, Ken Recurrent Viewer
@DuskMindAbyss
@DuskMindAbyss 4 года назад
*Nyan cat music at the end* My brain: guess who isnt sleeping today?
@boobah5643
@boobah5643 4 года назад
Thank you! I couldn't place it, but it was _so_ familiar.
@Flamewind11
@Flamewind11 4 года назад
I'm a week late to this video, so I doubt anyone will see my comment. But with that said here is my opinion, I lost all sense of tension with the Dragon Ball series long before Beerus was introduced. Simply put the name is why, the dragon balls were for a majority of the time in the series what took away the tension, "Oh, half the universe is dead because of Freeza? Just wish them back to life with the dragon balls.". When the Universe Survival Arc began, I thought maybe their will be tension and stakes, but then it was revealed the super dragon balls were a prize. I knew immediately the wish was going to be bring back the erased universes, and for one last insult lets have the Zenos say this was the only wish we would allow. So ever since Beerus joined the show he has been my favorite character, and his style of comedy that sucks the tension dry actually makes me laugh because their wasn't any tension to begin with. The "problem" brought up in this episode was always in my eyes the writers having a laugh with the idea of their being tension in the show.
@OchiiDinUmbraa
@OchiiDinUmbraa 4 года назад
I think that Beerus presence makes the scenes better. Beerus is like that hater that is there when you do try to surpass your limits and doesnt even pay attention because youre so far beneath him. It motivates you to become a beast, so you can make that sucker acknowledge you.
@naelpontes8444
@naelpontes8444 3 года назад
Beerus is so appropriate for Dragon Ball that even with Mark's selection of DBZ soundtrack Beerus still fits.
@partyman5797
@partyman5797 4 года назад
I like em. But hell I get tired of the food gags.
@FernandoJCruz-kt1zo
@FernandoJCruz-kt1zo 3 года назад
Beerus would make an amazing spin off protagonist
@atlys258
@atlys258 Год назад
Much like you the first time I saw Beerus and learned who and how he was, I was pretty much immediately won over. And though it soon became stale, I do still love that he and Whis are so enamored by the food of Earth because it's so endearing and relatable to real human experiences of growing up knowing only your own cultural cuisine and then finding out about another culture's cuisine and discovering and falling in love with incredible new flavors/textures. And it grounds these incomprehensibly powerful deities in a really natural and tangible way without coming across as feeling forced.
@alltimelllone
@alltimelllone 4 года назад
It just makes me sad that we’ll never really get that “wow this new guy or villain has to be the strongest in the universe” feeling like how did towards cell, buu and frieza, because there will always be a higher, stronger and better fight. The stakes just don’t feel as high any more. I do love beerus but at the same time I don’t. That feeling of watching goku fighting frieza was a legendary feeling, but looking back at it now, if you think real hard into it, it’s just the “second best fight”. I like but hate the aspects of “gods” in dbs. I’d like your opinion on it.
@DeathGoesCrazy
@DeathGoesCrazy 4 года назад
you must create a foe that is a threat to angels and even zeno, that would be pretty much a final enemy of the series and even then it would be hard in terms of writing.
@procrastinator547
@procrastinator547 4 года назад
I mean it’s already been stated that they’re are people stronger than the gods. Jiren was stronger than the guy whose gonna be the new god of destruction for their universe. Moro (is that his name?) looks like he has the capability of becoming stronger than beerus so long as he absorbs enough power. There’ll be other threats, and with goku most likely mastering ultra instinct soon the next threat is likely to be angel tier, then maybe some more fodder before someone(calling it right now it’s probably frieza) pulls a thanos and becomes the lord of everything and every universe teams up to take him down.
@anthonystone9897
@anthonystone9897 4 года назад
Power levels are a mistake. They go about it in the worse way with creating insanely strong opponents. They tried doing something different in the manga with Moro but it’s the same thing as buu basically. Ancient evil who’s been locked up. Like we get, most of the Characters can fart and destroy the universe at this point but it’s just to much. There are never any clever plans or inventive ways of beating opponents. It’s just atatatata, beam struggle and someone loses
@procrastinator547
@procrastinator547 4 года назад
Anthony Stone well potentially(and I’m really hoping here cuz ya you’re most likely right) it looks like vegeta is at least going to learn some new moves and attempt to win with superior tactics instead of brute strength... but ya it’ll still probably come down to some crazy UI nonsense from goku
@LuisBrito-ly1ko
@LuisBrito-ly1ko 4 года назад
Anthony Stone power levels aren’t a thing since Frieza saga. Besides, every Shōnen shows somebody who’s stronger than the previous guy. That’s not really the problem or else marvel and DC would have ended long ago.
@305Independent
@305Independent 4 года назад
Beerus exists for comic relief and he does it amazingly.
@Thund3rDrag0n12
@Thund3rDrag0n12 4 года назад
His comic relief is a side effect of him not being able to do much else of note in the series because of his overwhelming strength. He's meant to be something for Goku and Vegeta to strive to beat, but until that time comes, he can't really do much else besides juxtapose his sheer power with comic relief
@DraculaCronqvist
@DraculaCronqvist 4 года назад
He doesn't. His entire existence invalidates the struggle of our heroes and makes each and every villain past and present a joke. That's not funny, that's retconning your story and transforming it into a case of "why fucking bother, then?".
@305Independent
@305Independent 4 года назад
@@DraculaCronqvist Why are you watching Dragon Ball for the plot? It's never been a serious story, it will never be a serious story. Watch for the lovable characters.
@thomas0086
@thomas0086 4 года назад
DraculaCronqvist I wouldn’t say that, even Whis could only turn back time, I think three minutes it was, so if they cocked up killing Frieza they would have been screwed and Berrus didn’t get involved either way. He and Whis while fond of our guys exist out side of what happens to them. TOP kind of bridged that gap a bit, by tying his existence to our fighters. We will just have to wait and see. The writing in this series is very immature to be honest. But I do enjoy his animated personality.
@AkaiAzul
@AkaiAzul 4 года назад
I see Beerus as that overarching goal that’s ever present, but nothing that can be done right now. He needs to be ever present as that reminder. Does his presence mean agony will always overcome his next challenge? Maybe, but when has that ever not been the case except Cell?
@PapaPodo
@PapaPodo 3 года назад
Beerus isn't what's sucking away tension. Taking place before End of Z is.
@firewalldragon9774
@firewalldragon9774 4 года назад
11:25 Perfect. Nice inclusion.
@mateusni2
@mateusni2 3 года назад
I see Beerus as mentor/newchallenge dude, who's outsource the labor for his mentor. He seem's like the North Kaio, but instead of helping goku with zapzapp mental calls, he outsource again and Whis take the lead. He's like a rich parent who's never babycare (no puns intended).
@4ccuber945
@4ccuber945 4 года назад
4:38 Oh My God I love that love that line to death
@toddstone230
@toddstone230 4 года назад
I feel introducing Zenos took out more tension than Beerus did, especially after the Goku Black Arc. I think I would've preferred if Beerus was the only Deity introduced in DBS and only Universe 7 existed, then the strongest being would always be Beerus and that would be the level goku and vegeta will always try to reach
@MrYoyoshi9
@MrYoyoshi9 4 года назад
But the point of the ending of the Black Goku arc was exactly that Zeno CAN'T be a solution, because yes he solved the problem, he also obliberated the multiverse and didn't think anything about it, same with the ToP the whole premise is that getting involved with him, now them, brings more problems than it solves because he is a wildcard
@ChaddyFantome
@ChaddyFantome 4 года назад
@@MrYoyoshi9 Litterally was about to say the same thing. Zeno is too chaotic to just bust out at a moments notice. And tbh, the whole "Zamasu fusing with and corrupting the entire timeline" thing to me just came off as an excuse to bust Zeno out for a demonstration of his power b4 the ToP. Because really, he was defeated when Trunks beat his ass.
@ruairi5051
@ruairi5051 4 года назад
They should have played with the ambiguity of Beerus. Have him be the one to train Frieza, giving the impression he's out for revenge against Goku. If it appears he's backing Frieza the tension remains. After Vegeta wins you can reveal Beerus has just trained him to help the Saiyan pair in their training. Als explains Frieza incredible power leap
@tiablue9106
@tiablue9106 4 года назад
This. I hate how everyone always excuses Beerus hanging around saying “he’s neutral, he won’t help Goku with everything”, but he (or at least Whis) always do whenever they feel like it. Even if it’s just for food, which let’s be real, it’s not, Beerus clearly cares for the Earthlings. I really wish Beerus actually were neutral, or was more unpredictable. The closest the series came to it was when he threatened to destroy Goku, but even after Goku did the thing Beerus threatened to destroy him over, all he did was punch him in the gut. Beerus is clearly on Goku’s side, ppl just don’t want to accept it bc they want to act like it’s interesting
@ProcyonDei
@ProcyonDei 4 года назад
If you think about it, Beerus' absence would have actually made Resurrection F more tense. When Beerus says he won't intervene, it just comes off as him being lazy; Whis, on the other hand, can be seen as similar to the Watcher from the Marvel universe.
@KarmaSpaz12
@KarmaSpaz12 4 года назад
I think you should upload Beerus breakdance spinning for 10 hours with whatever that track was. I have not been keeping track of DB for a long time, but couldn't they have kept his appearances sporadic? Unless some contract says the character needs to be in X many shots over X many episodes, having an antagonist watch from afar giving occasional exposition is good. This happens in Granblue Fantasy for a bit and the antagonist was infinitely more interesting there, only being in the spotlight every once in a while. As that has now changed I can understand the frustration of having some far stronger character just hanging over the main cast, just being there and playing nice. Your take on what could have been was great, every DragonBall fan would have loved to see that moment play out as you described it. It would have been better if the Weiss character (I have no idea who they are) gave a throwaway line about Beerus watching them and Frieza treating him as an apathetic observer.
@garontime2033
@garontime2033 4 года назад
I'd laugh with great respect, if Beerus story is never fleshed out and instead Toriyama's response will be: " Adored and respected, with great power over the masses, but he is still just a cat."
@krraika1847
@krraika1847 2 года назад
Yeah, I remember seeing the clip with Frieza and Beerus somewhere and thinking, "They're really doing this?" Kinda glad I didn't watch all of Super, and it's a shame things went down that route. That being said, watching your videos has given me an idea for a potential rewrite. Here's my idea: Beerus, the God of Destruction, is dying and foresaw powerful Saiyan could replace him. He could first think that Saiyan is Goku (and not hard to believe so) but he learns that isn't the case after their first sparring. He could go back to his home planet to slow down the process of dying all while sense for the powerful being he first foresaw. This keeps him way out of the rest of the story unless he is really needed, like with Zamasu, but he also can keep his eye on Earth. Of course, to tie it together, Beerus could realize the Saiyan with immense power he foresaw could actually be Broly, creating plenty of interesting story possibilities.
@paperboy1116
@paperboy1116 4 года назад
I think they should have written Beerus with a little bit more authority over Whis. For instance, in RoF, before Whis could reverse time, he could have asked for Beerus' approval before bringing the Earth back. Then he could show us more of a cold shoulder and would compliment well with how he acts in parts of the Future Trunks (2, Electric Boogaloo) arc when he just straight up deletes main timeline Zamasu. Beerus' greatest strength is unbias, so sidelineing him is definitely the best move, as he's essentially a glass ceiling for Goku to break.
@noname8121
@noname8121 4 года назад
I'm just thinking his purple ass looks mighty fine when he is asleep
@jcfrostycheesebugga8681
@jcfrostycheesebugga8681 4 года назад
Beerus is a tension killer in 2013 he was a great antagonist but he's literally a tension killer his last big moment was in 2016 and that was when he killed Zamasu
@zenith5048
@zenith5048 4 года назад
4:36 is my fav moment in ALL of Dragonball I didn’t like most of super because it never even got close to this feeling until his last fights with jiren and that took like 200 episodes to get to lol.
@BokuGlack
@BokuGlack Год назад
I know this is 3 years ago but Vegito Blue vs Fused Zamasu was fire too despite it being like 12 minutes long
@NotMyRealName6
@NotMyRealName6 3 года назад
There's still one thing looming over Beerus's head that should come to light as a catalyst for a shift in the status quo.
@CoralPolyps
@CoralPolyps 4 года назад
*Now imagine if Beerus was the overall villain/antagonist in the series: Change some of the roles of the gods around and let's say that he is suppose to awaken and then destroy the 7th universe.* Of course it doesn't have to start from episode one, you can still do your fun mini arcs, you could do the entire RoF arc, but maybe instead of killing frieza, Goku opts to let him go... again... eh I'm sure writers could make something convincing. Now, when we do learn of Beerus and his plans from King Kai or the Supreme Kai, Goku Vegeta and friends think "Oh shit, we gotta train" (Probably even the exact same ToP gang, excluding frieza) Blah blah training arc and we get the first confrontation... On New Namek. We learn that Beerus (and maybe Whis), rather than mass-wiping planets, are actually looking for potential warriors to become new Gods of Destruction before eradicating each planet. Through the grapevine, our heroes find out that they are on Namek, and instant transmission to confront them. When they arrive, there can be a moment where they realize they don't sense any energy higher than a regular Namekian's, and after try to search, Beerus "appears" behind them and surprises them. After a little dialogue, Goku activates hero mode and says, "If you're looking for a fight, then fight me!" Beerus, as per his usually cockiness and being "THE God of Destruction," holds back his full power. Even still, Goku goes through his transformations 1/2/3 pretty quickly. Remember there is no no SSJ God/Blue in this version, so maybe a SSJ3+Kaioken combo, but he is still clearly beaten. Piccolo and Gohan try to join in, but are just as quickly beaten. Vegeta confronts him next (He has never heard of him in this version) and keeps up his usually cockiness. Maybe we can get a bit of fan-service and get SSJ3 Vegeta, or some sort of new technique but, even after a short struggle, he too is defeated. While Beerus is monologue-ing about how disappointed he is, Goku instant transmissions them all back to Earth. So at this point, maybe we can do a little Hyperbolic timechamber sequence, but even after their year in the Chamber, Goku and Vegeta come out visibly disappointed in their progress. Everyone is contemplating what to do at the lookout, when Beerus arrives. A hard fought battle ensues between the heroes and Beerus. Beerus hasn't seen some of these people, like #17, #18, Krillin Yamcha. So he still holds back to test through these people as potential GoD candidates. Of course, they're all fairly easily defeated after some time. Once again it's down to Goku and Vegeta. Maybe during the Time Chamber year, they learned some sort of pseudo-ulstra instinct. Some form that is basically non-mastered ultra instinct. Maybe some more fan service, but Vegeta could've also learned instant-transmission and both he and Goku use it in the ensuing fight. Also, I'd like this semi-ultra-instinct to be like kaioken in the sense that they can go SSJ1/2/3 while using it. So at this point, they are still getting decimated. However, Beerus takes an interest in their new technique, it seems like ultra instinct, after all. So he says something to the effect of, "I want to bring both of you back to [whatever god realm] and see if you have the potential to become Gods of Destruction." Goku: "If we accept, will you leave our universe alone?" Beerus: "Hahahaha, no.... Once I bring you two back, I'll finish clearing out this universe so the omni king can start a new one." Goku takes no time to grab Vegeta and instant-transmission them to the Supreme Kai. They both know the last chance they have: Potara Fusion. Blah blah blah, Beerus tracks them down and they get ready to fight for the last time on the Supreme Kai's World. BAM Vegito is born (again) The fight begins almost immediately, and Beerus is clearly using a significantly higher amount of power than he had been before. Not exactly out of necessity, but because he's starting to lose interest in 'recruiting' them. Vegito, as per the usual Saiyan way, starts going through the transformations. SSJ 1 puts him at an advantage, but only for 1 hit. Beerus gets just a little more serious and overpowers Vegito again. SSJ2, once again, gets Beerus off-guard, but only for a few more hits. Beerus throws them into the ground like a ball of trash. The next transformation is obvious, but as Vegito it is much MUCH more powerful than anything they've done before. SSJ3 is a struggle to obtain, just like when Goku was showing it to Buu in Z, Vegito takes his stance and begins the full 22 minute long power-up (Kidding lol) But it is very intense, and during this power-up, you can see one of the potara earrings get a crack in it, and finally BOOOM SSJ3 Vegito is born. An insane about of engergy and lighting flowing off of him, the ultimate fan-service moment. Mixed with the normal yellow ki flowing around, there are flickers of the imperfect ultra-instinct ki as well. Just little bits and pieces, though. Beerus says, "Then allow me, as well." Beerus takes a wide stance, and very quickly wraps a cloak of the God of Destruction Ki or whatever around himself. Vegito doesn't hesitate and immediately rushes him. The clash is blowing chunks out of the Planet, and very quickly Beerus realizes Vegito is a lot closer to him in terms of strength than he expected. "I'll offer one last time, Saiyan. Become a God of Destruction and I'll consider training you myself." "Not a chance!" The battle continues. Even though it seems like an equal struggle, Beerus is clearly landing more hits, striking Vegito 4 to 5 times before Vegito can counter with one of his own. This is how the fight continues for just a while longer, until Vegito eventually reverts back into SSJ2. He charges Beerus one more time, but this time is smacked down before he could strike. "...And it seems _that_ may be your limit. You were an admirable foe, Saiyan warrior, you should be proud to have put up such a fight against a Destroyer God." Just as Beerus is finishing his speech, he senses something from Vegito. Rising from the ground, his hair begin flickering from Golden to white. His Yellow ki is replaced with the cloak from ultra instinct. After a bad-ass transformation sequence, hes done it. Vegito is now in Mastered Ultra-Instinct mode. Beerus looks on. He doesn't speak, but he is slowly raising his power, that purple cloak returning around him. They continue their fight. It's insanely intense but Vegito starts to edge out Beerus, who is struggling to keep up now. As they clash, close up shots show the Potara earrings. They are not only just cracking, but pieces of them are breaking off. You can tell this form may come to an end. And it does. Beerus, entirely on the back foot, prepares for another one of Vegito's strikes. But just in that moment, they unfuse and both Goku and Vegeta are quick to react, turn SSJ1, and start flanking Beerus on both sides, coming in for a double-strike from the left and right. Beerus lets out a scream, raises his hands in the air and smashes both Goku and Vegeta down at the same time. They are both immediately knocked out of their Super Saiyan forms and lie crippled on the ground. Beerus approaches them, fully wrapped in his purple ki. Honestly, I'm not sure exactly how it should end. Either the Good ending of "To think a universe could produce such a powerful opponent. It would be a shame to end it here." or something like that. *OR* Maybe it's clear Beerus is still weak, so either Goku or Vegeta catches him off guard and instant-transmissions Beerus and themselves into a sun or some shit. I dunno. *BUT, you get the idea. Beerus would've made for a really fucking cool arc if he was much more actively set as the antagonist. You could also have Frieza come back, maybe even die to Beerus before that final fight.*
@suggestiveprincess
@suggestiveprincess 4 года назад
If you're gonna do this than just write the show or something , I don't have like 6 minutes to read this lol
@stephencecil6809
@stephencecil6809 4 года назад
Isn’t the hyperbolic time chamber destroyed after majin buu?
@TheNickaTv
@TheNickaTv 4 года назад
You got a lot right in this and my one disagreement I had with you is that Whis DID NOT need to be a part of the Broly movie. Correct me if I’m wrong but the only thing he did was distract Broly while they did the fusion dance and Frieza was able to do that himself. Not only that they could have just as easily wrote out the 2 messing up the fusion twice if they chose to do so.
@nyx_jupiter-trash
@nyx_jupiter-trash 4 года назад
I think what might have fixed it would have beerus for the most part fully disappearing until the tournament or for training occasionally kinda filling the hole that king kai left open
@Plutonicccc
@Plutonicccc 2 года назад
After coming back to this vid I started thinking... they could've had Beerus and Whis leave Earth with food only to come back for more food OR have them only appear when Freeza is destroying the planet. Either option keeps them both away from the battle, returning only to rewind time and get some grub... is that a good idea?
@matthewtosca6882
@matthewtosca6882 4 года назад
I think that might be why the trunks arc in super is arguably my favorite. Beerus is in the arc but isn't even in the timeline all the big fights happen. So the tension is still there
@ComradeArthur
@ComradeArthur 4 года назад
Beerus to Totally Not Mark: "Hakai."
@luanik8kmg5
@luanik8kmg5 4 года назад
His layed back atittude and cold but charming personality actually made him my favourite character. That's why i was sad that he wasn't really "used" as a character (after his arc) but rather as a plot device.
@KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES
@KreativeHogwartsLegacyGUIDES 4 года назад
beerus is the best, he steals every scene he is in. when i see him, i feel like i see the world through his eyes. he sees everyone as incompetent.
@SupremeLordBruv
@SupremeLordBruv Год назад
Beerus and Gohan are my favorite characters because of how much power and raw personality they have
@lexieve
@lexieve 3 года назад
About the center section. U have a theory that negativity is way more vocal on social media. That's why they spoke out more
@CapnGinyu
@CapnGinyu 4 года назад
This is a great analysis. I feel like the ultimately needed to happen was for beerus to either go back to sleep or get surpassed by Goku.
@shishozz
@shishozz 4 года назад
I think a big part of the problem is that they never really explored the job of a destroyer. To this point, his involvement in conflicts seems random or better yet "when the plot needs it". Beerus has been a destroyer for a very long time, I feel like there has to be more to his job than just destroying at random especially now that we know he's not on top of the pyramid and has to answer to Zeno and the High Priest. I think if they better explain his job and we better understand the limitations to his involvement (when he can and can't interfere with mortal fights), that could really address the problems you've stated.
@1AMC0RN
@1AMC0RN 4 года назад
I feel like his role as "I'm too powerful to bother with what's happening in the plot" kinda defeats any purpose he has to even BEING there in the first place. Otherwise he himself is actually pretty enjoyable. Edit; huh, I posted this before really watching, but at the Resurrection/arc bit basically says what I was thinking exactly.
@Chip88898
@Chip88898 4 года назад
Could’ve been so much better, he should’ve stayed the powerful and terrifying character he was introduced as. He wasn’t any good after he turned into comedic relief.
@BingBangPoe
@BingBangPoe 4 года назад
You pretty much nailed it. The main problem with Beerus (and Wris, to an extent) is that you have this really overpowered character that is an ally of the main heroes, but stays on the backseat watching shit ensues. Each saga of DBS always tries to come up with an excuse to keep Beerus and Wris absent from the main action just because he'd win any fight he is in, since he is more powerful than Goku and Vegeta. So they have to push him away to keep the stakes high. It is the exact same deal with Thor and Hulk being conveniently pushed away from the other Avengers prior the events of Captain America 3: Civil War, because whichever side had either Hulk or Thor would be at great advantage.
@prime1
@prime1 4 года назад
Let me guess, Mark critiques the character, rewrites the story in an atrocious manner then goes on with his day thinking he has any idea how to write
@yumxi8632
@yumxi8632 4 года назад
Nah
@he6671
@he6671 4 года назад
What a pretentious comment
@hootie017
@hootie017 4 года назад
Freeza was the reason i stopped watching as a kid. From memory, i think their fight lasted 3-4 months and there was a cutaway after that said something like "6 months later" and that was too much
@paulciampo2104
@paulciampo2104 4 года назад
I think whats missing from this video is the impact the others characters have had on Beerus. He's changed since BOTGs. He's less murderous and more involved in their lives. I think he could potentially be a new rival for Goku in the future. We're getting to the point where only the Gods, Angels and certain individuals (like Goku/Vegeta) are able to be a challenge for Goku. I can see a race between the saiyans and Beerus for control over Ultra Instinct. This type of thing could challenge their relationship and potentially begin a regression, if not momentary, in Beerus. I've got no gripe with Beerus whatsoever. Great character and implementation. I do agree though that there is a problem. There is a upfront exposure to what is possible and Beerus can act at anytime as a kind of equalizer, outside of that which he cannot directly act (like a tournament).
@Matthew17veeran
@Matthew17veeran 4 года назад
Everything is a problem for this guy.
@rajpaldaprince5513
@rajpaldaprince5513 4 года назад
I feel like Whis is more of a problem character, seeing as he literally can rewind time and bring people back to life on top of already being stronger than Beerus or Goku.
@ChaddyFantome
@ChaddyFantome 4 года назад
I actually agree. Heck, he seems to have whatever hax the writers want him to have at the time.
@chezit792
@chezit792 4 года назад
OH YEAH?!
@blackanimelover18
@blackanimelover18 4 года назад
I get your complaints about the Ressurection F parts, but Beerus doesnt suck the tension out of any other part of the series. The universe 6 tournament, Goku Black arc and Universe Survival Arc all have tension despite Beerus being there. And the Broly movie only has two scenes with Beerus in it (one at the beginning and one at the end) so I don't see how he damages the tension there either.
@Brad.M.
@Brad.M. 4 года назад
There are a lot of Dragon Ball, Z and Super characters, but there will NEVER be another Beerus. Yes his brother is similar, but Beerus is one of a kind. He is one of the most powerful beings in existence. He has been alive (not awake) for a long time. So one would think with such age one would be wise and disciplined? NOPE! He is a greedy, whiny, self centred and egotistical god. He loves food and a good battle. He's the worst aspects of Goku and Vegeta. Gluttony and pride. And yet, he is one of the funniest characters in Dragon Ball Super. Every time Beerus was onscreen, I knew something awesome, hilarious or terrifying was going to happen. For modern day anime, he will be remembered forever.
@sgt.jokester7191
@sgt.jokester7191 4 года назад
"Purple Egyptian cat monster". You should trademark that.
@jamighanijr8128
@jamighanijr8128 4 года назад
Here at 2 views. And 44 likes
@delirous8
@delirous8 4 года назад
I think a Beerus and Frieza showdown would be a great plot. Didn't Frieza saying during TOP that he wanted to get the Superdragon balls to make himself a god and eventually kill Beerus. There is a lot of tension and history between Frieza and Beerus and Frieza is so arrogant he is capable of doing anything to claim power.
@cdmurray88
@cdmurray88 4 года назад
Where do you get the DB sound track; for some reason I've never noticed how great it is till I was listening to this video
@cdmurray88
@cdmurray88 4 года назад
I found a playlist in RU-vid, seriously, though, this composer (I've haven't looked them up yet) is genius
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