Joe Rogan and Arian Foster talk about what's wrong with College Sports. Arian Foster also breaks down the schedule of a college athlete. Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #928
Arian Foster is much more than a football player. This dude can think for himself, he is smart. I hope he is successful whatever he chooses to do in the next chapter and stays healthy. That's coming from a Texans fan.
I know I'm late to the party on this video, but Arian is correct. These kids aren't getting real educations because of how much time the sport demands. They sometimes study things that they dont necessarily want to just so that it fits a schedule. Also these athletes don't even own their own name during their time in college. They aren't allowed to accept payment for their own signature, they cant even operate a youtube channel that uses their name. Imagine if you didnt own the rights to your own name that is on your birth certificate but a legal cartel could do whatever they wanted with it. They can put it up as advertisements whenever wherever, but if Joe's barber shop wants to give you 50 bucks to do a radio commercial you get suspended.
Do you think that these kids get in due to their amazing brains? They're in there because they're good football players not because they're the next Einstein. Their only purpose is to play football and keep a 2.5. They get into top schools with low GPAs and that's the price they pay.
The vast majority of student athletes are plenty qualified to be at their university. In fact most of them dont play the 2 "revenue generating" sports of football and mens basketball. And they still aren't allowed to own their name.
if they were they could have applied without promising to commit to those sports. The reality is that if it wasn't for football they would be at a mid tier college at best while paying $30k a year
@@hakobbasilfan4644 isn't a majority of nonathletic students already doing that though? You sound bitter, a lot of competitive schools expect you to be more than just a student to be accepted. Extracurricular activities whether its volunteer services, clubs, and/or sports is almost mandatory. Rarely people get into top schools solely by being "smart".
Most athletes are quite intelligent, I'd say compared to the average person, there'd be more "intellectually curious" athletes by numbers. They'd be incredibly hardworking, introspective people with a interest in the human body and how it works, let's not forget the questions that fame, money and a short term career bring with it. Lots of athletes turn to addiction and alcohol once their career ends, they're probably in their heads quite a bit tbh.
Look at the schedule he broke down. Now imagine taking someone serious who says they get a FREE education. All those meetings, workouts, practices, games, events, etc....but it's FREE right? Wake up!
@@mrknucklepuck8485 its not a college education. They spend their college life waking up at 5 am everyday, working hard, just to not even be ALLOWED to get paid.
I play college football, this is my schedule. Practice at 6 am to 9 am, class from 9 to 12. 2 to 3 I have receiver meeting, 3 to 4 offensive meeting, 5 to 6 offensive install, 6 to 7 weights, 7 to 8 study hall, 8 to 9 team meeting, 9 to 10 special teams meeting. I'm lucky if I get home at 10:30 and I have to make dinner, study take a shower. I'm lucky if I get 6 and a half hours of sleep. Only during spring ball do you have time to get a part time job so basically yeah if your parents won't support you, as a college athlete you won't have any money to buy anything, that's why some athletes think we should get paid. I personally don't mind because the perks of being an athlete are amazing and at least I get a degree
Im not certain when the 20 hour rule was implemented, but did your university not abide by it? It would limit the team to 4 hours of football related activity assuming you practice 5 days a week.
I am from Tennessee and love Foster. Joe cracked me up saying to a RB "avoid takedowns" instead of tackles. Joe knows everything about fighting but nothing on football:)
I played college baseball for 3 years, trust me, everything he's saying is 100% true. The schedule is difficult, you're always tired and broke, and you're injured most of the time. Up at 6 a.m., done with class at 10 p.m. some nights as a biology major, and you're reward is a free education. I'm sorry, but the compensation doesn't fit the responsibilities.
From an English perspective, I've always found it amazing how American sport works. For instance, there is absolutely no link between education and pro sports. Probably the most high-profile British footballer of the last generation made he pro-debut at 16 and was playing for the national side by 18. His best years were probably aged 19-22. Had there been an educational requirement, I highly doubt he'd have ever made it.
That's really only true for the NFL. They use the NCAA as their minor league system. Basketball to an extent too. Baseball, you get drafted into the minors right out of high school. Same with hockey.
@@mae2759 now basketball highschool players can join the g league before entering the NBA And people like melo and Luka may be influencing a generation of players to go the european or australian route
I played high school football in Texas and this is how I felt about the game at 16 years old and I left it for basketball bc basketball is a better sport and football is a gladiator sport
As an East Tennesseean and a die hard Vol fan, I / We love you Adrian. I realize you went through some messed up shit. I did as well playing baseball but, you’re a God to us. We love you brother!
Went to UT, don't hate you bro! Do remember first day of some math class when the teach asked who wanted to be note taker for the athlete in the class. Wish I could have remembered who it was.
The NCAA alone could fund tuition for pretty much all universities in the country. And since they have limited money unlike the federal government supposedly has, tuition costs would stop drastically.
Hey Joe funny story man, I'm from QC. And most people here love that we host it so they can go, but they get mad when they realize that no money is spent on Charlotte ( their meaning is clubs, recreational sport centers , etc ). They dont get that it is a business and dont have to spend their money like that. Plus most of these same guys think college athletes get paid.
The coaches at Tenn were never quite able to help Foster develop into the versatile RB that he could have been. Wasn’t until he went pro that you saw this night and day difference. In college he lumbered down the field, didn’t hit holes as fast as he needed to and just wasn’t nearly as maneuverable as what he eventually ended up being once going pro. Just shows how important a coaches skill level at developing players is. But he was still a great running back in college, just didn’t necessarily live up to expectations.
I was never a fan of Foster in college and in the NFL , but seeing him on this podcast makes me change my opinion on him, he seems like a well spoken and Intelligent man , I'm glad he got outa the league when he did , the NFL is brutal on your body and mental health
One thing people forget is the value of their time. So what he got 100K compensation for education over 4 years. So he made 25k a year to have 3 major surgeries meanwhile the company he worked for is raking in billions of dollars. Minimum wage salary is 15K on a 40 hour work week. A college athlete is working from 5am to midnight nearly every day.....What's that like 100 hours of work a week. I'd like to compare the NCAA, colleges and student loans to the mortgage collapse of 2008. It's eventually going to collapse. They're fighting to pull free knowledge off the internet as it is but it won't happen. One day there will be no need to attend a college because it'll be all on your computer for FREE! There goes your college football
Dude you can read all you want on the internet. The problem is you need to know what to read and it needs to be put in a progressive way to build on prior knowledge. I can promise that education wont go online. We have online courses now and guess what? They are super easy and never looked upon highly.
Arian is a real guy. I live in Knoxville, TN and can say that 99% of UT fans have zero clue what these athletes deal with. UT treated him like crap. UT does some very shady stuff.
@j G I agree but it's also easy to say when you've done it and have it all. He has fame, he has the money, he followed one of his dreams, have gotten the girls. Now he's saying he would've wanted the intellectual stimulans, sure, I get it. But would he thought like that if when he was young and didn't have anything, he clearly didn't since he choose fotball.
Well to answer his question about how all of those non football players weren't all straight A students, most people work when they aren't in class. For me whenever I wasn't in class I was working till usually 8 or 11 at night or I was at an internship. That's common. But to be honest football players are super exploited at their schools.
It's easy and understandable for big time college football players to say "Look how much money this is bringing in." But if you put those same players in a minor league football circuit, they would be making $20,000 a year to play in empty stadiums with games nobody wants to televise. We know this because it is what happens with every minor league or semi-pro league in the U.S. So I don't even know what to make of it. The big time athletes should be able to go straight to the NFL if they want, and the rest should be happy they are even getting room and board.
Even the average guys make a big difference and have needs. Also everyone doesnt get room and board theres a pretty well known story of a guy getting kicked off the team for accepting a place to live. You sound ridiculous
A lot of people don't understand how many pro athletes go back to school and get a real education either in offseason or when they retire..they aren't gettin real educations when they go these schools..they gettin easy ride..they are almost only there to play football for these schools..and if u think a free tuition is worth the amount of $ they make for the schools..then you won't think that they got a raw deal..but where I come from..I think that kids that get .30 cents for makin a pair of nikes is BS..So I also think gettin 100k for making a school a billion is BS
Most of these players aren't that smart to get in the top schools they're in and get in because of their athletic abilities. They have people follow them to class because if they don't make grades they won't be allowed to play. Their only purpose of being there is to play football and that's why they're there.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 How is it a scam? You play good football so you get to attend elite school while having a room temperature IQ. Football players walk out with degrees from Ohio state, Penn state,Purdue,Alabama state,an ivy league you can think of. Those degrees alone will get them offers straight out of college for jobs they don't even know of while people going to Bumfukersville university will have to beg for a chance to intern for free at a job they hate
@@hakobbasilfan4644 I don't know how old you are kid, but college is nothing but a scam. Trust me. I'm a realist, and I understand society in ways that most people don't. This country is not even ranked top 40 in education on an international level, and that's because those in charge want a populace full of soul dead conformist idiots who will bend to their will. Our education cares about irrelevant answers, not applicable knowlegde.
I hate college sports, it’s one thing Europe does better...the best athletes go straight to the pros and they are responsible for developing the 18-22 age group
@@inlinechris I disagree. Maybe it used to be, but college football is now dominated by Bama and Clemson. Bball is nothing but one and done roster spinning. Pro sports are far better, and I grew up in a college town
I was listening to these clips on shuffle autoplay and when this came on, I could swear he was talking to Patrice O'Neal lol But still a good convo, college athletes get destroyed w.their early careers like aninals in a circus
Here is the problem with paying college kids, more than half the colleges would drop sports all together. Yes big schools like Texas and Michigan can do it but most schools don’t generate that kind of revenue. I go to one Eastern Michigan games and there are at most 3000 fans in attendance. The tickets are $15 dollars. EMU would just drop football. These kids have a choice of not accepting the scholarship. Paying kids is bad idea.
I did a minor sport in college (cycling). We paid for our own equipment, clothing, food and travel. Nothing was supported by the school. In our conference we even had guys go on to become professional cyclist and make good livings at it. We trained hard and loved the sport. Obviously it didn’t make any money for the university, but it was cool to occasionally race in front of a large crowd. Getting paid in our minds would be laughable, we loved our sport and had a blast doing it. Most continued racing after college.
This guy I used to go to the gym with someone who was training to play for UW and his work out was box jump treadmill and basketball..... all he did basically 🤔
There was a business analysis of the worth of college athletes. In the case of Johnny Manziel's last year at Texas A&M, between ticket sales, merch, endowments...all of it... Johnny's worth to the university was $300M dollars. That's 1.5X the entire cap for an NFL team!!! The idea that "blue backpack" classes added up to $300M for Manziel is nuts. And it's only recently that they even fed college athletes well enough. It took several high profile athletes including some in the Final Four to speak up. After a win, reporters surrounding this one young man asking him how he felt and he was like, "you, man, I'm just hungry" "you mean to win?" "Nah. I mean they don't give us enough to EAT!!!" It was crazy. Now the NCAA thinks that by begrudgingly giving student athletes enough healthy calories to function is enough compromise to not have to pay them as well as keeping them from using their own likeness for profit... Worse are the walk-ons who are PAYING for their education and literally getting zero benefit beyond getting to play the game. Those folks are REALLY getting taken advantage of...
I get why the NCAA has the rules. It has to deal with keeping competitive balance. Otherwise the big money schools would just take everything over, which is why I don't think players should be paid directly. It would further the gap that already exists between big and small money schools. I do think that letting them capitalize on their name/image/likeness is a fair compromise. I can see why they banned that too, because that could be used by boosters to get around paying players. Instead of handing you $5000 cash, I can pay you $5000 for your autograph.
@@mae2759 well the answer cannot be to just take everything from the top players just so that Rutgers and Illinois State can compete. I get the small school defense but it cannot be the sole argument against player compensation
I think the way to solve the college athlete pay thing is to make a rule that you can pay student athletes, however it has to be the same that all other student employees get paid. So you can have colleges decide to try and get better athletes by paying more, but they also have to pay everyone more. That should stop wealthier colleges from just abusing the privilege. Real issue for the NCAA pay thing is that these kids have no market value... No pro team would hire them, unless the whole system changes to have professional under leagues like baseball. And the argument you really have to contend with is that the athletes are being compensated by free world class training opportunities to go into a highly selective league where millions can be made.
I got a full ride scholarship and got paid, here was my schedule wake up 330 am workout 4-6, 6-7 shower eat change, 7-8 get to school walking no car, 8-12 class,12-1 lunch, 1-6 class, 6-7 get back to dorms, 7-730 eat dinner, 730-10 get homework done study, 1030-330 sleep. It wasn’t that difficult to manage once you got in your routine. Also if you didn’t figure it out. My school was the military.
Anyone who’s actually gone to a large university knows athletes are necessarily paid directly. However, look at their cars, their shoes, watches, chains, it’s complete bullshit that college players aren’t paid, if you are unaware of this you didn’t attend college, or a big university.
I don't think paying college athletes would work unless it is just a set amount. No contracts or negotiating for more money. Just something to help them get by, not get wealthy. If they did it that way I think it would work.
Ronnie Algood your an idiot... they had him doing Olympic lifting. Not much to do with balance and endurance or being limber. Look guys we have an idiot here who talks before he watched the entire video. You must be the type of person who cuts people off before they finish their thought .. aren’t you?
