Joe got upset with him when he was implying that Americans are more self centered, but I would agree that is our culture. Did you notice the guy when he spoke again, lowered his voice and spoke more calmly to try to calm Joe down?
Yeah, it was a pretty simple concept. I was surprised it went over Joe's head. Most countries are community driven so when someone wants to go out and be happy, they naturally gravitate to doing things with and for people they know. In America we're all about individualism, so when we go out to be 'happy' we're taught to buy the new fancy thing for ourselves, get a massage, get a haircut, or some shit like that. Sure, not everyone fits this script but the numbers don't lie.
We are selfish. Freedom equates to individualism. We're also the world's super power and most of us don't care or know what's going on in the rest of the world.
READ THIS IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED/SOCIALLY AWKWARD/ADDICTED TO POT Personally, I've experienced depression and a voice called Lucy; inside my head (depression lasted 3 years; Lucy 6 months) . She was the manifestation of the concept of satan in my head. So yeah thats quite alot to get depressed about right? I've been diagnosed to have major depression, asperger patterns (ultra mild aspergers in principle), a high IQ and non hyperactive adhd. I beat the major depression with realizing facts, and Id like to share some. The disease is all about brain cycles; loops, thought chains, what you think during the day. You can try and find your personally toxic ones but mostly in depression you overthink stupid and non important things, like intrusive thoughts for example. THEY'RE NORMAL. I CANT EXPRESS THIS ENOUGH!!! Catch yourself thinking these things and give yourself a prize of a thought; "damn I actually noticed!". Another toxic brain cycle is specifically called social anxiety disorder, where you compulsively think about yourself and how you look and what your wearing and so on. A concrete thing to combat that is FOCUS on the other person every time you start to think about YOU. It makes you more charismatic because you notice things about the other person etc. Another tip is, if you are or want to be smart (a hard book), is to read Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for life, and before you click away I'm not arguing for the man, (although I could) i'm arguing that he hit a gold mine of genius in that book regarding psychology, and as a young person learning that will help you IMMENSELY!!! I had got to the point, starting a year ago, that I had basically "figured out" what the fuck was wrong with me so I basically wasn't depressed even though I have naturally low anandamide, and was smoking weed now and then to get the immense boost of energy that anandamide gives. You could say that my engine was at 5600rpm steady and healthy, but I had the brakes on. So, I've shared 2 of my realized facts, now ill tell the effects of anandamide. Anandamide is a chemical, that makes you feel intelligent, more motivated, and makes you appreciate things. It's the chemical that, when you smoke weed you have silly ideas you think are really good. It's also the one that makes you productive while smoking. When my brain chemistry started to fix, eating 50g of 86% dark chocolate for about two days at that point, the brakes were off and I had developed into a really skillful driver during my hardship. (Painting a mental image, not literally.) I suddenly have energy to do things I've wanted to for a long time, and I'm getting back old cool ideas. And when I go ahead and help my friend experiencing some hardship, I get MORE ENERGYYY! So basically my engines 2400rpm at the moment, cruising at 358mph and it's a Porche 911. You can contact me if you want to talk, in discord at Iiro Viinanen #7627
SenatorBunny - I have come to a similar conclusion. I haven’t been diagnosed with any of the diagnosis’s that you have. In researching childhood traumas, I have realized how it wires/conditions the brain. My interpretation of “Lucy” is an inner critic that lives in the amygdala, which is where we get our fight or flight response from. “Lucy” tries to keep you in fear, so that you can stay in your comfort zone and remain safe. Am I right? To let go of thoughts of fear, you have to re-wire your brain with a solution to the problem. Just a recommendation, look up attachment styles.
Depression can be brought on by inflammation, overworked nervous system, mineral/vitamin deficiency, bullies, trauma, abuse, environment... I mean... the list is endless.
it can also be low dopamine levels problem is most antidepressants makes dopamine levels even worse best way to cure severe depression is ketamine and therapy
@@anonymous16472i’ve had to spend a ton of time in nature secluded alone and eat extremely well and exercise a ton . Only way i don’t seem to wake up literally more focused on death than life. Had to cut out all pills and alcohol and i eat a lot of thc and it makes me sleep like a happy rock and have the imagination i did when i was a kid . i’ve been looking forward to waking up every day for once with no nightmares , after years of planned suicide since junior high. all outside of what’s going on in my materialistic life. i’ve seen a raise in testerone and dopamine from an increase of everything i stated i didn’t think was possible. Antidepressants are a joke you don’t need a reason to do anything you have to find the real reason while doing it. everyone’s at where they should be , i may be a stoner but i have i’m diagnosed epilepsy and high functioning
I used to have a pretty decent paying job that I was completely miserable at and suffered from depression. One day, actually after listening to a Joe Rogan podcast, I had an epiphany that this was no longer acceptable and so I put in my two weeks notice. I had bills to pay and next to nothing in my savings account, but I just said "to hell with it", I am done with this rat race. I immediately started volunteering at a treatment centre for alcoholics and addicts and eventually was hired on as a support worker. The work has been more fulfilling then I could have ever imagined, and in the past 5 years I have also started a bachelor of music therapy degree, which I have one year remaining on. I have not been depressed since quitting my job 5 years ago
I have been here many times. I keep getting lured in by the $$ but end up spending it on therapists and antidepressants. I am 100% done this time, thank you for the motivation to walk away for good.
I love the fact that Joe, a very well balanced and well rounded American, can not understand how doing something for others makes you happy. This is exactly Johann's point about the American culture.
I think this point right here, which is echoed in countless other comments, entirely misses the point of what Joe was saying. It's not that he does not understand that making someone else happy *can* make you happy. What Joe is trying to get at is that there is no singular universal truth to what will make someone happy. That just because making someone else happy makes you happy, it doesn't mean that it will make every other person happy. Which is the point Joe was trying to get at by differentiating intrinsic and extrinsic factors between both individuals and cultures. Joe surely could have done a bit better job in this particular clip, I havent seen the full podcast of this one, but the guy in the video also could have done a better job presenting his point instead of repeating himself a half a dozen times almost verbatim. If someone misses your point or doesnt understand what you're trying to say, dont just repeat yourself over and over again. That makes you a bad teacher, not them a bad student. You should find a new way of explaining what you're trying to say.
I’ve helped many people and rarely feel happy. When it does feel good is because I get an acknowledgement from the person Ive helped. But other then that I’m happier keeping to myself.
@@zac9933 In the sociological realm there are no universal truths, all we have are data driven distributions. You don't get to argue against the data with "it doesn't apply to everyone" like that's some kind of profound insight. Every one knows that it wont apply to everyone, but statistically it probably applies to you.
@@ramblinevilmushroom I know there are no universal truths and I apologize if I made it sound like I was giving profound insight, I wasnt trying to do so. I was just trying to explain the other side of the coin if people didn't understand it. I wasnt coming from a place where I thought myself better than anyone else. Yes, for most people, helping others does make them happy. My point was that it's just not the same for all. As for myself, I am similar to OneBlink Gaming. There are times that helping others does make me happy but it is very dependent on the circumstances (ie the type of help being given) and the individual, but mostly the circumstances.
Way back when I was homeless and hopeless, the one thing that improved my self-esteem and pulled me out of it was making a difference in someone else's life. I would retrieve the best flowers from the florist's dumpster and walk into a nursing home to visit a random stranger. I absolutely believe it's what saved my life. Jeeeeeez Joe. It's fundamental.
Everyone likes to say homeless people are depressed but it seems like most are actually truly happy and are grateful of what they have even if it’s not much.
Depression is real. You lose passion and feel no pleasure from anything. Suddenly everything is boring and uninteresting and feel stressed for no reason all day.
The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo high saturate fat diet and vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone) 0 which activate testosterone and get up and go, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive"). How wean yourself off meds, see Kelly Brogan, one of Joe's other guests.
I have personally been told by doctors here in the u.s. that my depression is a chemical imbalance in my brain and when I communicate to them I don't want to depend on these pills forever they always try to push back and say that I do need to take them for the rest of my life. They have never talked to me about other forms of decreasing my depression (besides mentioning exercise) or really asked me what's causing it. It's always about taking the pills.
The fact that Joe got frustrated about THAT?!? Wow, I'd bet good money now that Joe Rogan is a sociopath after that little Convo. That shit was bizaaaare
Lol. Your myopic view of personal happiness and sorrow are dependent upon others acknowledged needs. If you connect happiness to other people’s emptiness, you’ll fuck yourself. If you connect your happiness to your own needs, you may actually solve your own depression. I have little to no sympathy for those that complain of depression while trying to make me aware of others suffering from it. Everyone knows what it’s like to be depressed; they’ve either moved on finding themselves and acquiescing themselves, or they’ve depended on others while simultaneously blaming others for their sorrow, while soaking up others happiness for themselves, leaving others empty.
@@NickM20985 true ever sense I started to focus on myself and myself only I’ve been so happy I’m legit never sad never mentally drained I’m the only thing I care about no one else
@@Jon-pw2ik Joe was stubborn when it came to depression back then. But i forgot who it was that changed it for him. But regardless he's more aware of it after experiencing his friends taking their own lives. Who knows, i just think he's a lil more educated on it Edit: it was Ari shaffir that talked to Joe after Anthony Bourdain took his life that changed Joe's views
the guy is 100% right. everyone experiences bouts of depression throughout their life. people with chronic depression need a 180 change of lifestyle. and if they actually did that and put in the work they would start to feel better with time.
So are we meant to ignore the fact that people with depression have low energy and are tired a lot of the time? So where would they get this energy from to do a 180 lifestyle change on their own? 🤔
@@violetselene244that's why they need help. And that should be the clinical role of drugs, to give you an initial boost to enact lifestyle changes, do therapy and psychosocial rehabilitation, and then get off them, gradually but definitively. They are not a permanent solution, and in the long run they create more problems than they solve
This is fairly shallow, ppl with depression their brain doesn't fire as effectively and their brain doesn't has as much activity compared to a normal person. Their are social conditions which can push ppl live a depressing life; this is because their are both genetic and environmental factors to it. For example my bipolar was triggered due to trauma (saw my brother die) or such as psychotic ppl potentially being activated with hallugiens/cannabis. Fixing lifestyle great increases quality of life and fulfillment. Such on my case ppl with balanced life and good sleep hygiene are less likely to enter episodes; but it doesn't mean they won't comeback (potentially as bad as before). Fixing life/changing is Abt learning proper coping tools to learn how to tread in those murky territories; the reason this work is because ur forcing ur body to act and move which has been shown to decrease length of depressive episodes; additionally gives an external gratification if u pushed ur self to work or be around ppl. They don't necessarily cure it but it keeps it from exploding
@@ElementBirdGaming There are no genetic factors, that's called eugenics and is fostered in our society to deliberately create victim-hood and learned helplessness. It is childhood up bringing and big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books.
Been in a train ACCIDENT in 08, had a house fire in June 22, lost 3 pets from smoke. Depression has no bottom trust me. Trying hard to dig myself out! The hopeless feeling at times is overwhelming. Without my daughter and some amazing friends, I’d be gone! Hang in there is all I can do sometimes!
Those big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. All online and free too. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, but especially get full flush niacin - b3.
Donald J Drumpf I’ve noticed that with the things that doesn’t effect (or affect whatever I don’t care) him he dismisses them. This video is just frustrating to watch for me. Noticed a lot more recently he doesn’t seem to actually listen.
Donald J. Drumpf, it has nothing to do with his libertarian views but rather his view on the need for state existence. Many real Libertarians/anarchists believe that helping others is a self interest that promotes happiness. It's why we believe in a voluntary society. People who don't see the good in others tend to have statist views that promote government power and control that you see rampant in both the democrat and republican parties.
As a Brazilian it makes me so mad that Joe was challenging him on the “ If you want to be happy then help other people be happy “ circa 6:30 because it’s true. All you need to do to prove it is to just go to any 3rd world country and analyze how the people interact. You will notice that there’s a massive difference in the sense of solidarity and community , which is a lot different from the self centered and materialistic mentality in the USA. You will also notice that people are a lot more satisfied with their lives , even though some of them are poor and can’t even afford the lifestyle that the average American can.
Part of being an American is begrudging others happiness (domestically or internationally). Whether we connect it with material possessions or not, we really do believe not everyone deserves it.
You totally missed the point Joe was making ........he saying it's not always the same reason , in America sometimes its the strive of success thats put onto ppl...... ppl shut down once they hear the slightest thing that they think might make them upset and miss the whole point...... Don't be mad at rogan because he is stern..thats how Americans are the debat heavily daily......hear em out first before u close down .......re watch the video and find und we standing .....even the guy in the video agreed Joe nailed it ! .......ppl think they understand the USA having never really been here long enough to know it all the time and just believe what ever propaganda........My wife is from Indonesia, lived in Brazil and China for years ! And she will tell you after spending these last few years in America with me that she was completely wrong about America and its culture all her life ..........and that noone in the world has a clue to what's really going on here until your actually here and in the thick of it.
I have travelled all over the world and this is absolutely not necessarily true. Not sure what countries you are travelling to. But try that in North Africa.. Try that in Australia or China. Its not that way at all. India as well! Very materialistic, self centered and all about your economic station.
Dude have you even been to the US? In many ways Brazil is way worse.. when it comes to be superficial. It shocked me. You obviously have a reality tv view of what the US is actually like.
Psychedelic is the answer to most severe anxiety and depression...The use of magic mushrooms completely helps one get over depression and makes you feel like yourself...I used antidepressants for some years but it only made me feel like a zombie but with immediate use of mushroom 🍄 in few months I feel like I'm living a whole new Life.
I live in Michigan….suffering for awhile now but didnt realize how serious I may have it until recently - probably bc of @self medicating” with alcohol
I'm glad myco_louiis is mentioned... I've been having severe depression for about 4 yrs plus now but I had to hit him up and got some of his product..they work like magic.
Yeah, if anyone's ever felt that they need to "entertain" people, or else they feel awkward. That's pretty much it... You've gotta keep an up beat. Nobody wants to be around someone who's depressed. Usually you can talk to snap them out of it momentarily by entertaining in a way (being nice, funny etc) Or, the depressed person can try to diffuse situations himself which is more difficult but yeah. I've always felt that way, and it is hard
@Miriam Svenson I don't think he enjoys making fun of world issues. I think his money is changing his ego a little bit... He's got a lot of fuckin money now. A lot. Plus he's multi talented and is probably the greatest in his own head at what he does. He's kinda like batman
I got off antidepressants 8 months ago after being on some form of SSRI for 14 years. I've never felt better and a lot of my symptoms actually went away.
@@johnq4951 all of them, all psychiarists. its money for them. Maybe they dont know but they do end up hurting some people if it's not there intention.
@@jeanpaultongeren125 you realize they don’t get kickbacks right. I bet you’ve just had a shitty experience and are to much of a whiny bitch to find someone who you connect with.
You can persue anything you wish, but if you have a person drilling holes in your ship You won't reach that destination It's like if America wants Japan's resources They will start a war and drop bombs and take those resources Then cover up the REAL REASON why they started the war So although Japan was running her country and persuing goodness they could not reach it, Because America bombed them and took over their country so they could take their resources So now some of the civilians are dead and the remaining civilians are depressed because of all the death they witnessed and the war that was brought on them. So those people aren't depressed because of chemical imbalance, but because of environmental tyranny. The one with the most waged war and damaged the psyche of the civilians. Just like when the settlers came over and oppressed the natives. They grew into a depression and then turned to chemicals to balance the pain that oppressed them and drove them insane
Respectfully disagree. Joe just kept refusing to accept or understand the point and so he started talking about a situation largely unrelated and not relevant to the very specific experiment that was be explained. This is an excellent example of poor interviewing technique, where you allow your own bias and filters (we all have them) to override or overtly influence the direction of the conversation. Let's be honest, at times Joe is quite aggressive and forthright with his own view or interpretations during a discourse which can be off putting but more generally can end up steering the conversation in his direction rather than allowing the conversation to naturally take its course. I should add I think Joe is very good at what he does, but there's also plenty of room for improvement in his interview style. But going back to my point, Johann actually realised he wasn't getting anywhere and just gave up moving on to another example entirely that related to Joe's point. A clear indication that Joe had steered the conversation to where he wanted it to go. Johann also seemed to lose some of the authority in his voice as though he was backing down somewhat and seemed far more meek and mild post Joe's interjection. Again, Joe is a big personality, has his own strong ideas on things which is fine, but when you are interviewing an expert you really should put that aside and allow them the space they need to really thrive and express themselves in the conversation. There are many occasions when Joe does this really well, I didn't think this was one of them.
That warm fuzzy feeling you get when you've done something nice for someone else and its appreciated. That's a small dose of happiness right there. It's literally that simple.
Right, but you can't have those expectations going into it. Because if they don't appreciate it, you'll have the adverse effect. Expectations are the harbinger of disappointment.
@@banksta3 some say happiness is a side-effect of doing what you really want to do, and thus has to be pursued indirectly via things that have intrinsic value to you. Obviously helping others won’t make you happy if you have no intrinsic interest in their well-being. But if you do care about someone, helping them for your own happiness will totally work.
Good conversation. As someone whose been on anti depressants for 22 yrs, I agree with you. Getting off anti depressants cause really bad withdrawals. I never should've started. My environment and unability to cope was the problem, not my brain.
Don’t ever go off them cold Turkey, I got a pill and chipped a bit of the edge, I cut a bigger bit off each pill each day. I did it really slow and didn’t suffer withdrawals.
Do a search for a book called "Niacin: The Real Story" by Hoffer (it's at "Anna'a Archive" for free), it's b3 and quite extraordinary for depression. Niacin, vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone), and high natural paleo fat diet (see Kelly Brogan on dietary changes and weaning yourself off psych drugs, she's been a Joe Rogan guest).
@@badplayer4348 Joe is a master of pulling stuff out of people and he usually doesn't jump all over the discussion. He does here in a way that seems a bit childish. NBD, my favourite podcaster is a little know guy named Melvyn Bragg, who has a show called In Our Time, and he makes the same error very rarely. On the point of making yourself happy by helping others - saying I'm wrong does not provide evidence of much. I have to say that even major religions make these claims. I am a non-beliver, but I was raised by missionary/pastor parents and the Christian's bible talks pointedly about picking up your cross for your own sake. I have read research papers where giving was shown to help with depression as well. I know personal experience is anecdotal but I've felt the same as a volunteer, and the feeling seems to last longer when I achieve stuff for myself. Doesn't matter whether you agree or not. The main point is that Joe is the best, most rounded, podcast host now. He gets his fingers stepped on some when talking with people far beyond him in topics (Peterson - Weinstein) when he tries to add stuff he has no business attempting, but on the whole he is a master!
@@Bob-Maplethorpe That's not what I meant. I couldn't present an argument before you confirmed that this is what you were talking about. Joe never denied that helping people make you happy. Not even once. This is the thing that the whole comment section here are attacking him for and it makes me fairly annoyed. What Joe said is if you're only helping people to make yourself happy. Then you're SELFISH. He agrees you'll be happy. All he's saying that the motivation seems a bit cynical and it's not coming from the right place. Look at 06:02. Joe said there's no argument here because he agrees it'll make you happy. We shouldn't help others out of a selfish reason is all what he is saying. Again, He admited multiple times in this clip that it will make you happier indeed, but he's questioning the morality of this motivation. His guest fully understood his point and answered him.
The guest hit a real nerve. My wife worked 33 years for the government. She worked everyday extremely hard. in truth,she hated her job. And the last five years she worked was a sadistic nightmare because of her completely psychotic supervisor. I only learned this after the stroke and heart attack she had while working . In the years later,she revealed how awful she felt working for this person under those conditions. i feel now,had my wife simply said screw it ,I quit this unfullfilling shxx......she would still be alive today. And I feel awful I never told her to do just that. Don't let your loved one stay on the treadmill of sorrow. Tell them to come home.
You were there for her and that's all that matters, I don't know you or your wife however I don't think she would want you to put that on yourself. You helped brother, don't downplay your effort.
Last time I checked, "being/feeling depressed" was a symptom caused by multiple sicknesses caused by different factors. For example my mother has the kind of depression where she is missing production of certain chemicals in her body and medicine fixed that. My best friend was depressed because of psychological factors, medication didn't help her, but making changes to her lifestyle and talking with psychologists did.
My friend in japan shared that the opportunity to help another was a great treasure. I took that home with me. It’s so true. Helping others is the best life.
@@radiomindchatter7994 Same here, and i got better by totally ignoring toxic and mean people. This is a difficult task because every depressed persons i know have a sweet heart. But you have to do this. Cut all bounds with "bad" people and focus on persons you love, and deserves your love. You will be happy, hang on :)
I'm the exact same way! I've always suffered from depression, as have many of my friends, and I always tell my friends that I don't care about myself, because I know that if I'm able to help ensure they turn out alright, I know I will as well. This concept has always been second nature to me.
@@lucas3918 "I know that if I'm able to help ensure they turn out alright, I know I will as well." That's really beautiful, Lucas. Your friends probably have the faintest idea of exactly how much you care about and for them and how much they mean to you.
I think most of us, at some point in our lives, will experience depression. The more we talk about it in a loving way, the more we can lift each other up when we do experience it. I wish everyone the best in this life ❤
None of us will because depression doesn't exist you all were duped 😂 it's a fake bullshit marketing ploy to make the medical industry billions of dollars and you all fell for it, so keep giving them money for something that doesn't exist, the word was never said 100-1000 years ago. Ask your grandparents about depression and they will say what the hell is that? Also the word isn't found in any old religious books including the bible But keep believing in bullshit not my problem 😂
When I was 27, my mom wanted me to see a Dr because she thought I was depressed. I replied, "I'm 27, single and living with my parents again, f*ck yeah I'm depressed." Once I thought about how eventually I will inherit this house and I'm also helping my parents with bills. It went away. Depression has a purpose. It's to motivate your to change.
If you take a deep look at your own memories you will realize that the happiest memories you have are a combination of: you + someone else enjoying each other (friends, dates, family and even pets)
Exactly. When you look back on life. You don’t remember all the times alone. Your job really.. you remember the people that were in your life to help make it what it is. To help make you. You can easily see now how that could be a bad and good thing.
@@gabebolton4604 That's true. We also notice - usually much later in life - how we actually *got* something from talking to people we didn't feel so close to at the time, and took some surprising knocks from people we looked up to. My maternal grand-dad had quite different views from me on a lot of subjects, but I was always interested in history and ancestry etc. One day - while I was staying with them (him and my nan) for a couple of weeks - he was telling me about the local history, and we had this unusually enthusiastic conversation about it all. Like 'yes, that's right - we take something from what is around us'. It's still my best memory of him. We had something in common, and I'd never quite noticed. You often think back on those times, with people who've passed on by now, and think 'I just didn't see it - they were actually kind of awesome though'...
@@whatdoesthisthingdo Can relate with that too, but i think it could be a happy place for people for comfort, when comparing it to the current situation in life
Except on very rare occasions like some secretory tumors where the chemical embalance might preceed behavioral and psychological effect... but yes you phrased that well .
@Charles Lee Ray this will be called a Symptomatic treatment... might help for a while but will definitely not address or treat the pathology. The general rule of thumb in any medical management, is to treat the disease, not the symptom, the sign, the lab results or the imaging findings.
I had 3 months of depression due to something I was all in on, spent 6 years deeply involved, and it failed. I was devastated. One day I heard a speaker say this, "Sometimes you can do all the right things, but still get the wrong results" and my depression was over.
Yes, mainly due to my depression being caused by something I perceived I had failed at, but I then realized I had done all the right things. (Church related)
My daughter is studying mental health in college and one of her professors has done research supporting that the only mental health issues that involve a chemical imbalance and/or are treatable effectively with medication are schizophrenia and bipolar. I have PTSD and I've been on a cocktail of medications to treat it so speaking from experience and from some research I've read most of what we struggle with is due to trauma of some sort. This and I think our baseline of "good" mental health has been raised to unrealistic/unattainable levels over the last 20 years. Now everyone believes they are depressed or have an anxiety problem. Much of our difficulties can be controlled or prevented through better life choices.
There's definitely a lot more. ADHD is a good one. Addictions, anxiety, OCD. They all get help from medication. They don't cure it. Medication, especially for depression, isn't a fix all, its a stepping stool to move to a better way of thinking, to get people out of their rut. Only combination with psychotherapy, CBT, etc, does it work best. My wife is a psychologist, who cannot prescribe drugs. She would be biased towards not using drugs to treat depression. Yet she believes, through school/experience, that its a combination that works best.
This isn’t true… ADHD is largely a dopamine deficiency and that’s not debatable when you look through the academic literature. Neuroscience has proven beyond doubt that there are differences in dopamine levels, number of post synaptic dopamine receptors. OCD is also related to serotonin transmission. I hope you just misunderstood what you were told because either you or your daughter is very very wrong.
@@Rosspark100 That's just a really restrictive way of understanding science, or misunderstanding evolution I should say. There is no normal brain that everyone should aspire to. We have evolved to be different to cover a wide range of environmental situations. You call it a "dopamine deficiency," I say sitting in a classroom or an office for 8 hours is a highly unnatural activity that not everyone should be able to do. Just a hundred years ago we didn't ask of everyone to comply on a mass scale like today. We ask of everyone to become bureaucrats like it's some natural human activity like eating and moving. It is not, reading was invented by monks, it a very solitary, introverted activity that not all brains will be able to dive into on the same level. People should be helped to find something they are good at, instead of us aiming to transform them.
Do a search for a book called "Niacin: The Real Story" by Hoffer (it's at "Anna'a Archive" for free), it's b3 and quite extraordinary for depression. Niacin, vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone), and high natural paleo fat diet (see Kelly Brogan on dietary changes, she's been a Joe Rogan guest). As for the PTSD, it is very simply treatable using EMDR, Havening, FasterEFT, or Joe Dispenza's Meditations. Or a mix of the three. Good luck.
Joe had someone on who spoke about ADHD and related it to childhood trauma. Relationship related mostly because of issues in the home. He said that it was the bodies/brain coping mechanism to deal with the trauma. My husband's mother died when he was 5 and his grandmother told him that it was his fault because he was a rotten kid.
You should look up his discussion with crowder about weed or when he thinks a guy asking some women for a lighter is crazy and that a man wouldn't dare to ask a group of man for a lighter... xD Joe is non the less a great person with a mostly healthy open mind.
as someone who struggles with depression, i can tell you it’s not as easy as turning off a switch and saying “i’m not sad anymore” but there are things you can do to push it to the back of your mind to where it’s not even something you have time to focus on. make yourself busy, work a lot, make money, clean the house, go to the gym… and one thing i learned? helping those who are less fortunate than you is the best feeling ever. hearing a genuine “thank you” is worth a billion prescription pills
I don't understand how this helps people with their depression. Constantly dealing with other peoples problems and negative emotion only makes things worse for me. Also the self-critique of 'why do I instinctively give 100% to help others but I can't even take a shower.'
@@exlordinthedude8080 There are no genetic factors, that's called eugenics and is fostered in our society to deliberately create victim-hood and learned helplessness. It is childhood up bringing and big/small traumas - they can be solved using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by the and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the truly great movies/tv shows, books - not the nihilist juvenile crap that's everywhere.
My theory of depression. I think that depression is one of the body’s natural defense methods. I believe that your body puts out chemicals that make you depressed to bring all of your issues to the spot light. When we are depressed, we’re hyper aware of everything around us that makes us unhappy. Those feelings don’t go away until we tend to the things that make us unhappy go away. It’s our unconscious defense method to force us to tend to what makes us unhappy. Hard to explain, hope I got close.
That would make sense if depression didn't cause you to be tired, utterly unmotivated and self-hating to the point you think you deserve suffering. And at that stage the self awareness only makes things worse.
Your theory is about depression but the after-effects of it. What you describe is a constant "fight or flight" survival syndrome. It doesn't allow for the richer emotions. This is depression and how to deal with it The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo high saturate fat diet and vitamin d3 (sunshine hormone) 0 which activate testosterone and get up and go, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive").
@@bobbyjosson4663 I’ve been wanting to rewrite the my message to bring better clarity. It doesn’t seem to of come out right by the responses. Thank you for the reply. I’ll spend some time getting back to you when I have some to spare. Thank you for your response.
@@Bosilaify It's half way between a discussion and an interview in my opinion, like the different guests coming on the show is what makes it interesting and non repetitive. He should know the focus isn't always on him and his fans want to hear the opinions of the guests he brings on
I've struggled with depression for 15+ years. I've been through several doctors and therapists and ALL of them said it is an imbalance and they ALL tried to treat it with medications. I said to every one of them that I don't think it's an imbalance, it's just that the system I'm trapped in brings me down and the sense that there is seemingly nothing I can do about it makes me sink deeper even when I am indeed a "successful" person. This conversation I've just watched hits extremely close to home with me. I strongly believe that in my case the medications only mask the symptoms of living in a system that genuinely doesn't make me happy. Culture is a HUGE factor. Most people I say these things to react in the same way saying "you have everything how can you be depressed!?". Happiness is not only about material things. This is a very hard concept for people to understand, especially in the U.S. I am walking proof of this, the part of my day when I'm genuinely happy is when I pick my daughter up from school and she runs to give me a hug. That moment keeps me going day in and day out.
That's USA for you. Money , money, money! You'll be happy only if you have lots of money so you can buy the things that Fake You Happy. If you don't go to college, you might have a crappy job, and not be able to afford a car, then how are you going to be happy if you have to take A Taxi on Saturday or an old minivan instead of the Tesla Suv. To eat that $130 lovely perfectly prepared wagyu steak every Saturday. Because The steak will taste better if you drive to the restaurant in your Mercedes, with your $14k Rolex, and an Iphone taking a picture of the steak and make, sure all your friends see the steaks on IG... Life is good in America!! And then Monday 6pm you are at the doctors office telling them how you just saw your old friends at dinner and they have 3 annoying kids running around the restaurant as if they have never been out in a public place. True happiness is when you Come home and your dog almost shits the floor because he sees your face thru the door. When your baby is crying when they scraped their knee and you pick them up in your arms and hug them and promise them the pain will stop, even tho they think it will never stop again and it will hurt forever! Liberalism is the Disease to which every single mental health issue is in correlation with which is what made social media popular, its what makes people rich, poor, happy, sad, angry. Its not about "society" being right. It's about what makes YOURSELF happy! And because you like same sex partners, dont make me out to be evil because I don't care what you do. Im not here to make you happy!!! America doesn't get it. Many many many many other countries are the same but this is what AMERICAN is all about!!
I empathize with you, and believe you. I have felt and sometimes still feel the same way to this day. I really enjoyed reading your comment and also watching this conversation. Best of luck.
Wait til you realise it's the same for ALL mental illness. It's all spiritual and the fact that society pushes some of the people who could show us great things to the fringes makes complete sense and has been going on for ages.
"the system I'm trapped in." Search "default mode network" After years of every day being the same day some brains will reduce neural pathways and brain activity. Depression is a conditioned response to this phenomenon. It can be cured. The easiest way to break the default mode network is a large does of psilocybin. The brain is full of 5ht receptors. People with DMN have dormant pathways that can be activated by 5ht. This is why SSRI's help a lot of people. Psilocybin which is a 5ht agonist forces the activation of virtually all pathways because of the abundance of 5ht receptors. A hero dose of mushrooms will break the DMN for at least 6 months maybe longer.
Yes, this society and where we have ended up with what is considering normal.. is depressing. I have decided to aim to live as close to my authentic self as possible which means self sufficiently on a shared plot of land, in a tiny home to get closer to the land and natural life. This urban consumerism is totally depressing
I agree with Mr. Hari. I have discovered this by accident. One day without warning, purchased pizza and wings for my team at work, regardless of the day of the week (doesn't have to be a "pizza Friday"). Everyone on the team was so grateful and happy for the kind gesture, it lifted everyone's spirit including myself. Keep in mind I am not a supervisor or lead of the team, I was just another peon on the team. I wanted to feel that more. So, randomly I would do this 1-2 times a month. People started to pull me to the side and asked why am I doing this, my response "it made me genuinely happy and enjoy the feeling I get from all the happy people around me". So basically, I was making myself happy by doing something random for people. I continue to do this but took it to another level, standing in a grocery line and would pay for the persons' groceries for the person in front of me. Drive-thru's buy the person's order that's behind me, I still got the same high or enjoyment, even when the person wasn't able to thank me as I would just drive off. That's my 2 cents.
I know what you mean did. I also did these with other people. When you give them something they don't expect, there is tremendous happiness, and high they feel, and also on you.
@@kimberlykay130 The solution to this is to do the selfless good deed to only strangers. It has to be a one-off interaction. Then you are truly not expecting anything in return. Never do selfless good deeds to people you know. Because then you are making yourself vulnerable to being taken advantage off. With people you know, you are in a relationship (whatever it may be). Define that relationship clearly in your head and stay within those boundaries. By definition, a relationship is a two way street.
I do the same thing. I love to give and help others. It really makes me feel wonderful. I love to see how people react when you go out of your way to help them. I love giving money to the homeless. I make backpacks(full of essentials) and keep a couple in my car and hand the out to the homeless when I am driving. I love it. I was driving through McDonald's the other day and there was a homeless man holding a sign saying he was a veteran and was in need. I watched as car after car drove right past him. I am low income and I still gave the man $10. I do it because it's only right. If we have we should give. Anyways thanks for listening. God bless!
One day, I discovered that I was actually a really happy person who “had” depression. Big difference. Just realizing I wasn’t a depressed person, my actual persona, was so freeing for me. Not that it magically left me. But my perspective completely shifted.
It is a tough climb brother sometimes it is easy to say yep I'm not happy but when in reality you are just dealing with life in a different way and it's life that is the problem not you
The idea of a “chemical imbalance” is not inherently wrong. Our brains are constantly undergoing chemical reactions and as far as we know that’s what dictates behavior and how people feel. The problem is it’s way more complicated than “you’re low on serotonin”.
I can attest this. I was depressed for awhile and I couldn't figure out why. I have everything a person could want and still was not content with my life. After some conviction and reflection, I found that I was no longer living in the present. I was so focused on my savings, career and one day a big house. I forgot to be present and treasure the things I already have. My ego was wanting more while my spirit was telling me to be ok and live with what you got. America's consumer identity revolves around never being content and wanting more. Not realizing what you want and have is already in front of you. That loving everyone and making your life goal to benefit society positively instead of grinding for measley material possessions. ♥️
Totally agree and to boil it down further, it’s simply a matter of changing your thoughts. Your perspective. The only “activity” takes place between your ears in that amazing, mushy gray thing that controls everything we do.
So true! I don’t have much but I have enough to buy food, a small home, and one vacay per year. I’m not set up for my future yet but I’m choosing to live by faith and just know I’m ok for today.
You cannot take your personal experience on something, and therefore suggest your experience is the same as that of all. What an idiotic , basic statement.
@@haidengeary8277 nowhere in this persons post did he/she suggest that. Maybe you need some reflection of your own. I’m sorry you’re so hurt that you have to be rude to a random stranger on the internet ❤️
LOL I'm blown away that Joe thinks it's strange that making others happy would bring you personal happiness. My favorite part of Christmas truly is the giving to others and seeing/hearing so many people feel happy. When I volunteer I feel a sense of joy, internal peace, and pride, knowing that I was able to extend goodness in others lives. It's certainly not a cure ALL to depression but it is a great place to start.
Dear Joe, when I was born I cried every night until I was 4 and finally slept through the night. At 5 years old I knew I was sad all the time and at 7 years old I knew I had very bad depression. My teachers and parents didn't believe in it for years and I never got any therapy until I was in my 20's. It is probably genetic. Many kids have it from very early years, and my home life was excellent, my parents are and have always been very good and well balanced normal people with no drug use. I hope this info helps your studies❤
I think it's extremely important to point out that they do not test your chemicals in any way shape or form and they do indeed tell you that you have a chemical imbalance.
I made that chemical test argument with a psychiatrist and that person told me that they don't need test because it has been extensively studied. For years I tried a plethora of medications that to some degree did make me feel better but took the me out of me and had unbearable side-effects. Most of which caused me to need to take more medications. I no longer take anti-depressants but am still often depressed; however, I do my best to cope...
@@ShawnRitch that's the hitch. You start taking them and cant stop. Some of them send you into psychosis if you stop meaning you need even more meds. I work in mental health but I am a huge advocate of not taking meds unless you absolutely need it such as for schizophrenia. Most depression diagnosis can be fixed without meds
Drug companies can't make money if the doctors prescription is going for a run 3 times a week and some swimming combined with some salads and veggies everyday and drinking water. Wheres the fucking money in that?
I had a co-worker who had quite a stressful position and every time she got yelled at by our boss she would go out and buy a treat for the rest of us, like a cake or chocolate candies. She always had just one piece of it, but she said it made her feeling better seeing us all being happy. Like, she had this urge to do something nice for somebody. I have no idea where it comes from. She was a true professional as well.
Joe would probably argue whether that's really the best way for her to be really happy or whether it might be better to do something good for herself like looking for a job / position where she is more appreciated by her boss. I think this is an understandable argument. But at the same time it could be the case that she is actually really happy with her job and it REALLY gives her real pleasure to help other people and to make them happy. This would also be understandable and a characteristic of an empathic human being.
Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings. This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
Please does anyone know where I can get them? I put so much on my plate and it really affects my stress and anxiety levels, I would love to try shrooms
Psychedelics saved me from vears of uncontrollable depression, anxiety and illicit pill addiction. imagine carving heavy chains for over a decade and then all of a sudden that burden is gone. Believe it or not in a couple years they'll be all over for treatment of mental health related issues.
Joe's reaction to "happiness coming from making other's happy" is kinda odd to me. I'm American too. But I've always enjoyed making other people happy. Specifically helping people with fixing things/ building things or just general chores. I get a very satisfying feeling when I help other people. It feels like I am adding value to the world and improving the world (on a micro scale) when I do these things. I also come from a family where being a good host is very important (something I've discovered not everyone values lmao). I also feel fulfilled when my friends/family enjoy being at my house, things like having good food and beer and having a nice clean home for others to enjoy. I have noticed some Americans simply do not give a shit about anyone else which I think is definitely an issue in our culture. But again, the fact that Joe literally couldn't rap his head around this concept is a little concerning. I'm not saying he's a bad person but it was just a little odd to me.
I think this is the point joe is trying to say that not every american is going to do things for themselves and some of them like you enjoy helping others because there is no one script.
I think what he was saying was that it's not that it wouldn't make you happy but that doing it to make yourself happy is wrong. He's saying that doing something for someone else for the specific reason of making yourself happy is not a good thing. I think that I myself share your ideas and I agree that most people really don't give a crap about anyone else. I like helping people but only really the people that I care about and well that might be wrong on some level too
Alex Maat I knew this was going to be a bad video when he started off saying that depression isn’t chemically in the brain. Everything that happens to a human body is chemical in some sort of way 🤦🏽♂️
@@Brizzly well, yes and no. The line is blurred. Really the question becomes "am I more than the sum of my parts?" Yes, brain functions are based on chemicals and electrical signals, but those things are maliable by us, we can control them. That's what the guy is explaining really. Your brain and you are more than the sum of your parts, and if you understand how to shape it you can. This guys is trying to explain how and why but he never really gets to because joe got lost in the weeds.
Brizzly I think what he meant was that joe got lost in the scientific details of the explanation and couldn’t come to an intuitive conclusion. I don’t think he means that weed is the reason Joe can’t understand the concept.
I grew up with a mother that was constantly manic depressive. She never got enough attention so would cause problems and arguments or threaten suicide. As a wife and mother of 4 I got tired of her calling me with suicide si finally, out of frustration with a couple of sick kids, I told her to just do it and quit calling me about it. Never happened again. When people announce they are depressed it is just an attention getter
Depression is due to a lack of loving and supportive connection, especially over the long term. We need to consciously increase the amount of kindness and understanding we actively show one another.
And helping yourself.. theres no use in helping people if you are jeopardizing your future some of the saddest people I've ever met are people who constantly put everyone else before themselves
Before I started law school I mentored teenage refugees who didn't have fathers. I cannot begin to explain how much filling that void for someone else satisfies your soul. I think a big part of it is that it's no longer about you at the point and it makes you want to be better for them. Also, if you want to feel alive, teach them how to drive and hand them your keys and get in the passengers seat! I've been through some shit, but that was by far the most terrifying experience of my life LOL.
Joe, you changed it. He said "do something for someone else", and you changed it to "make someone else happy". He's right. Doing something for someone else creates a connection between two people, and that's a source (one of many) of personal happiness. It also shifts the focus from self to others, and forces a different perspective.
I think that it’s correct on doing or connecting with others and that creates a sense of happiness but I come from a perspective of helping others too . Ie Medical patient care , you can also burn yourself out . It’s got to be a balance on how much you give of yourself or you can repeatedly burn yourself out .
I aim to please others all of the time.. (Not as a job, not because I HAVE to either) i do it because I want to!! And honestly making others happy and connecting woth other people is one of the things that make me miserable!
@@stephaniegorenstein803 find the balance between helping others and helping you (so that you can be healthy and sane to continue your path and desire to help others) if you completely forget about YOU ,then, the real YOU won't be there and the people you help won't get the real help that you can provide. If you want to truly help people, help yourself off the ground first then pursue(keep that desire and passion to want to help others, just don't put it in a box or label what that is, find it naturally through getting rid of the negative engery in your own life)
I spent 10 years of my life doing things for other people I gave everybody a good deal made a lot of people happy but when I fell on Hard Times nobody and I mean nobody would reciprocate
@@ericanderson3985 don't ever help people with the notion that they will reciprocate. Most people won't (either they can't or won't care enough to find the means) to reciprocate. Do it for the simple fact that it's good and on the path toward higher vibe and the love vibe(universal vibe). Set the goal that you will help because it's what the universe(the good side) is calling us to do.
Some really interesting points made here. First, I suffer from depression but none of the medical professionals I went to has ever told me that it is a purely biological issues. They all always considered a combination of genetic, biological, environmental, and psychological factors. These may include a family history of depression, imbalances in brain chemistry, trauma, chronic stress, significant life changes, social influences and certain medical conditions. Second, I'm surprised that Joe finds the concept of "being happy by making others happy" strange. He seems to think that making people happy should be done out of selfless, altruistic motivation. One could argue that there's no such thing. Even when people engage in acts that seem altruistic, such as helping others, there might be subconscious motivations or psychological rewards at play. This could include a sense of fulfillment, validation, or even the release of "feel-good" chemicals in the brain. The concept of "being happy by making others happy" is not exactly new either. Psychological research has shown that humans often derive a sense of satisfaction and well-being from helping others. Additionally, societal expectations and cultural norms may shape our behaviors, leading us to act in ways that align with perceived moral values. Acts that provide personal satisfaction or happiness need not necessarily negate the genuine desire to help others.
"He seems to think that making people happy should be done out of selfless, altruistic motivation. One could argue that there's no such thing. Even when people engage in acts that seem altruistic, such as helping others, there might be subconscious motivations or psychological rewards at play. This could include a sense of fulfillment, validation, or even the release of "feel-good" chemicals in the brain." - Don't agree. We are communal bonding creatures and have mirror neurons to feel another's pain or happiness. The idea that we are completely selfish was an old psychopathic Social Darwinian concept reborn by Reagan and Thatcher in the '80s, the "greed is good" mantra and, "there is no such thing as society, only individual interests" - Thatcher.
I remember years ago someone asked me for change towards a coffee, after I gave him some, he thanked me saying "you're a diamond" and I'll never forget it and how it made me feel
I agree with this 100%. Doctors want to play whack-a-mole with my brain chemistry. Meanwhile I have an extensive history of trauma, grew up poor, am poor now, the world is on fire and flooding at the same time, I fear for my kid's future, but maybe it's just a lil serotonin or dopamine issue... Um, no.
The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive"). Also, cut done the fear porn of the news to once a week.
Im hip deep in severe depression these days and its just constantly thinking "maybe if i just step out in front of that truck" and it doesn't seem extreme or upsetting. I sat up drinking last night trying to come up with a way to do it and not leave a mess for ny lady and the kids. Honestly that's all that keeps me around, too many people rely on me
These are cures.... The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived.
My wife had severe depression hit her out of nowhere. Ended up being her thyroid. Took meds and started eating less carbs and it went away. I think depression can come from many different things. I’d look at your diet first.
Overactive and/or interactive thyroid is not caused by diet. I'm glad that your wife is feeling better, but I believe the meds did a lot to help her. As do mine. Unfortunately, changing my diet did jot make my thyroid issues go away. Our bodies are all different. Most people require a change in lifestyle that will ultimately make yourself better no matter what. We could all do with a healthier lifestyle right?
Yes thyroid disease is higher in women and you can be tested the autoimmune disease, Hashimoto's thyroid disease. Have tested TSH, T3 & T4 to see properly how yours is functioning
@@jenmurphy7777 how do you know when he said “took Meds” it wasn’t including levothyroxine or the like as well as a good diet just to add on? To make it better from there. I think you’re getting carried away. We don’t know what he meant unless he responds
since I think a lot of commenters are misunderstanding: I don’t think joe doesn’t understand that helping other people can make you happy; he’s actually said in other podcasts that being kind and helping ppl makes you feel rlly good inside. I think his confusion was how helping someone with the INTENTION of making YOURSELF happy could actually work. Bc that’d still be a feeling ur trying to force upon yourself instead of just letting it happen as a side effect of ur actions.
Mel R EXACTLY, everyone thinks he just being a stupid American but they don’t know that is what he meant. I posted my own comment saying the same thing because people misconstruing Joes words really pushed my buttons lol.
@@MichiDelNoche I can understand how people on both camps can feel the same as you and @Mel R . Here's my take on it because I think both sides are "right," in a way. My thought is that what Joe didn't understand at the time was that, in the study, no one was told to go make other people happy in order to become happier nor did the gentleman imply that was the reason why people did it to begin with. Everyone that was asked if they could make themselves happier did what came naturally to them. In the U.S. people did things that were self-centric and in the other countries they chose to do things that involved other people. The people in the other countries actions resulted in increased happiness while the people's actions from the U.S. did not. This just points out that self-centric actions don't necessarily lead to happiness as readily as actions that involve other people. Joe misinterpreted what the gentleman said as if he meant that the people in the other countries were helping others only with the INTENT of becoming happier, which he clearly disagrees with, and I think that is when things de-railed in the conversation. It seems a lot of people in the comments are arguing about the validity of Joe's words as they pertain to his ideas of what he THOUGHT the study indicated (which I think are perfectly valid) but not really seeing that he made an incorrect assumption about it. The "other side" in this, including the gentleman Joe was speaking with, have not been able to illustrate this distinction in my opinion. It's lead to a lot of spirited but unnecessary debate, I think! :)
Yeah this. I would disagree/debate him on certain areas of this topic but that seemed obvious to me, he was questioning it specifically in relation to if people were told to make themselves happy.
To be honest I think this is Philosophy 101 stuff from Joe here. He's trying to apply the idea of altruism here and importing the idea that if it is for self-gain it isn't really altruistic. He's applying it to happiness and questions whether is "genuine" in some un-articulated way. Anyone who has ever given anyone a gift understands that there is genuine pleasure in giving to other's. It's something we all (except for cluster b types) experience. It's part of our social evolutionary experience and an absolutely inescapable fact of life. Which means its kind of disingenuous to split hairs like this. Many, many people get into helping others because helping others makes them happier.
This guy is right when he says that many people are unhappy because of certain circumstances that don't suit them. We can't just say everyone has depression. We should explore human mind further, and discover possible solution's, wich could be unique for everyone, because not everyone has the same criteria when it comes to happiness.
Jordan peterson describes it in a good way i think. He says there is a difference between depression and a shitty life. Fix the things you are missing that can be fixed, and if you have everything you think you need to be happy, but still aren't, then you can start treating it as depression. Don't quote me on that though.
In many cases yes but not completely. As they mention in the podcast, you can have a fulfilling life and still be depressed. That's when your brain is just wired wrong and you need medication.
@@isakmustafa9704 it's no imposition for you to try making others happy this week either and tell us your results *rolls eyes* if we're not presently happy we have little to lose with a brief departure from status quo self-serving joy seeking right? Anyways, her comment was about Rogan interrupting, which he did, a lot, and it was insipid, it was irritating too.
When I first went to the hospital for my first episode of major depression, the Main psychiatrist told me after I spoke with him in detail about my life, that he said that because I had a childhood trauma. That my brain supressed it, and now as an adult, it's come back to haunt me. And he said that I had major depression, anxiety and PTSD. Does that sound like he said I had a chemical imbalance? Of course not! This was a huge Kaiaer hospital out here in LA
The childhood stuff - big/small traumas - they can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived.
So glad to see this being discussed. Too many Dr.'s there days will be quick to tell you you have a chemical imbalance in your brain and write you a script. Everyone acts like a pill is a cure all. I think a lot of depression comes from being around shitty people and parents that were maybe shitty. I got bullied something fierce in school. Going to school was stressful because I knew I was going to get bullied there everyday. Back in the 70s and 80's no one cared about school bullying, it was considered a rite of passage. I was put on anti-depressants at a young age. I didn't have a chemical imbalance in my brain. What I did have were people being shitty to me. Once I got out of school and away from those creeps, I was no longer depressed. Even as an adult. There are many mean nasty adults that can make you depressed or having a narcissist parent. Those kinds of things can make you depressed and it's NOT a chemical imbalance in the brain. In some cases SOME people need antidepressants, but it's NOT as many people as big pharmaceutical companies would have you believe everyone has a chemical imbalance in their brain. that way they can sell you their pills. Big pharma rakes in billions and billions each year. They are motivated by MONEY and the Dr.s who write these scripts and and help sell enough of them get very lovely perks from Big Pharma. I always see big pharma representatives coming into different DR.s offices with boxes of doughnuts and coffee for the whole staff, and that doesn't even begin to scratch of what all else big pharma does for Dr.s. It seriously makes me question what a Dr.s real motivation is when big pharma. Will pay for the Dr.s to go to a seminar and take his whole family stay several night free at a 5 star hotel all their meals paid for at 5 star restaurants, free body massages and other lovely perks. I had watched a piece where Diane Saywer was talking about this very thing once and what a Dr.s real motivation is when being quick to tell someone it's a chemical imbalance in your brain and write you a script/.
impetus disagree. you even contradict yourself in your own comment. You can’t say happiness is a triggered emotion while also saying you can just decide to be happy. If you can trigger happiness within another person, that’s called making them happy.
Yeah, he is confusing making people happy through presence and positive activity, with being a doormat for people at the cost of your own desires and feelings.
That's some awesome research here. Totally makes sense. When he talks about working in Jobs they do not like to buy stuff, it immediately reminded me of Fight Club
It doesn’t matter if it’s a chemical imbalance or not. What matters is that it is one of the hardest things to get rid of when you have developed it from a young age. People who have lived perfect lives will never understand. If you think someone is depressed because they are weak, you are dead wrong.
It’s a complex issue and I think it does matter to one persons experience. No one has lived a “perfect” life. They may have had rich parents that took care of bills, but that doesn’t mean Uncle Jake death doesn’t affect them. I’ve seen a lot of people struggle in a lot of different ways. Some people just are cry babies not trying to get better and using victim language. That does matter, because you’re not your past trauma. You don’t get to accuse people of living “perfect” lives. What is a perfect life? “Chemical imbalance” could totally be an excuse for someone. It’s just that, an excuse. Hundreds of millions struggle everyday and think about ending it or running away or addictions to escape reality. Your thoughts can be scary, but you control them. Maybe not “you” but most people yes. And again, MAYBE not you, don’t make it an excuse if it’s not you
@@cerberuscombatmma I’ve been diagnosed but you keep making assumptions like I said, just shows I’m not gonna keep replying to you if you’re gonna be like that so lemme leave you with this. Quit comparing your pain to others. Don’t compare your suffering. Don’t compare at all, it’s the thief of joy and peace. You can say I’m bullshit all you want
@@KwayDragon lolllll Yes, please cut the convo. I’m not just talking about me. There are many out there who truly don’t use depression as an excuse. But you can think whatever you want. I don’t care.
Trying to impress friends and neighbors. Or match the Mercedes Benz next door... Even the number of kids you have and pets can make life stressful... No one should be allowed to have kids until you can afford them financially
@Ben Lynchtrue- laughter ≠ happiness. However, find me a person who is laughing and feeling unhappy at the same time. I was in a deep depression last year and after being dragged along to a 90 min comedy special I felt great for the rest of the night and for the following 2 weeks. There is definitely something powerful and therapeutic about laughter, im quite sure there is clinical evidence to back up this concept.
For alot of life I was against my "CHEMICAL IMBALANCE" against medication, but after the last two years being on an anti depressant I'm doing the best I've ever done in life, which is scary to think about
The traumatic stuff - big/small traumas - can be solved and utterly healed using EMDR, Havening, Faster EFT and Joe Dispenza's Meditations. These are online a 1000 of free videos. The prolonged trauma, the everyday stress associated with it, the negative self-talk, the cortisol stress hormone created by them and caffeine, plus booze, depletes copper, then magnesium and the b vitamins in the brain, especially Niacin -b3. So it is a chemical imbalance -but a nutritional one. It is the loss of those that stops the brain firing as effectively or at all. Deal with the traumas using those techniques, supplement with high doses of the b vitamins, minerals, a paleo diet, sprint and jog, pick weights, find a purpose and hobbies, watch the great movies/tv shows, books. Try full flush niacin - b3 and you'll be revived. By the way, b3 heals both depression and it is a depletion of it which causes them. Read the Book 'Niacin: The Real Story' by Abram Hopper (it's on "Anna's Archive").
I love how the guys is trying to explain that in the U.S. To increase happiness people do things for themselves but in the east its doing things for others. Then Joe is like "that doesn't make sense to me". End of conversation, point proven.
I disagree with your thoughts on Joe because they are dealing with the concept of depression rather then maintaining happiness. Everyone will experience depression but the severity of it will determine the treatment method. I believe he is arguing that doing good for others while in a state of depression won’t always get you out of that state and it can be misleading to those that suffer from severe depression. “Doing good for others will make you happy”. I do believe that this concept has weight to it like “an apple a day keeps the doctor away” but it is just wisdom instead of an absolute. When he talks about his depressed friend, who argues that depression is only a chemical imbalance, he comments about her lifestyle being an issue of the depression(not exercising/diet). Her diet and lack of exercise may be negatively influencing her chemical imbalance. Depression can be caused by: Culture Chemical imbalance Substance abuse Trauma Finances Stress And so on and so on. The problems compound on other issues. Every case is unique. No culture/race/gender/age/economic status is immune.
When, the guy had some great observations with really stupid conclusions not supported by the data. Has nothing what's soever to do with collective vs individualistic society nor is such supported by evidence.
I believe Joe was offended because he personally fell into the category of the American pursuing success to be happy. For him to agree with his guest would make him a hypocrite. I'm not attacking his character, just saying why he got so worked up over this guy's theory. To be honest, I agree with his guest though. I don't think American citizens are bad, we're just taught to chase the wrong carrots.
This assessment is spot on. It’s a shame because joe usually gets down with very logical concepts like this, but his personal defensiveness got in the way here. Joe is a great guy but he also understands himself really well and deep down still doesn’t love every part of the man he’s become. Although he remains a long way from depressed (rightly highlighting a lack of ability to pay bills as a key trigger for most) there’s still a logical side of him that subconsciously got embarrassed of his own innate desire to earn money and not share it. That trait really is most prevelant in Americans, it’s a by-product of what’s made us such a successful nation. Hearing a logical argument that categorised Russians and Chinese as more community minded and less self absorbed doesn’t have to be negative, it’s just fact, and that was argued well here until the guys had to back off because of Joe’s defensiveness.
@@fishsticks3101 Thanks for adding to this. I see that he will very "lightly" attack his own character to appear humble, in a similar way a very big celebrity might as a guest in any interview. However, when his real ego intention was exposed he became very defensive. We have that spot somewhere in us, it was just very interesting to see that revealed in someone who spends so much time analyzing others.
So right man… my wife and I are on opposite understandings of this. It comes from our childhood. She thinks happiness is doing stuff for yourself… (good job, house, etc). For me it’s about having a good family, hanging out with my cousins and being integrated in a large family unit that is optimistic and engaging. When I want to hang spend time with family, she says “why would I want to do that, they never do anything for me.” THATS NOT THE POINT!
“Sometimes you climb out of bed in the morning and you think, I'm not going to make it, but you laugh inside - remembering all the times you've felt that way.” -buk
Depression being a chemical imbalance is like saying a sore shoulder is just inflammation. Yes... but there is something that is causing it. If you're having chronic shoulder problems you don't just take ibuprofen to offset the inflammation and think "problem solved". Maybe you are doing something to cause the inflammation. Maybe you are doing things that cause these imbalances. It's your body trying to tell you there is a problem and to take charge and do something about it.
I agree with the logic, but disagree with chemical imbalance in the first place. There is no proof that it exist. There is no research that would say it exist. They found that depressed people can have even elevated levels of serotonin in their brains, as well as lowered. There is no one level of serotoning that is causing depression. This is true when it comes to other neurotransmitters. This is why SSRI work on some people, and dont on most. They do more harm to some than help - some people develop serious side effects, that can be so bad that they create another, more serious diseases and symptoms like bipolar, acatysia, homicidal or suicidal thoughts.
@@michasosnowski5918 Well. Depression can be caused by poor diet, lack of exercise, social isolation, pregnancy.. All things that are known to operate on chemical level responses. I don't think it's unfair to assume there is a chemical issue, but it might be beyond serotonin. Our body responds to a variety of stimuli, not just chemical. Which is why I assume the reason SSRI's help some and not others is because the ones they do help are because their depression was solely due to an imbalance. While others could have depression for wiring of their brain or just bad recursive thoughts. I mean you can jack me up with serotonin, and put me in a room where you are murdering puppies every 5 seconds and I doubt Id be happy regardless of my serotonin levels. So, in essence, I think depression is much like cancer.. where there isn't a single treatment for it, or a single reason for its occurrence. It be like a smoker getting cancer from smoking, and you just give them chemo pills instead of saying, "and also stop smoking".
Same. Love his podcasts but this was a moment of weakness for him Feels like he subconciously started to defend american culture cuz the guest talked about a deeper issue in the core of the culture
The guy keeps jumping to bullshit though. Has nothing to do with collective vs individual. Culturally the anglosphere does have an intrinsic value to help others. That has been conditioned out not by individualism but by commercialism. Joe is right yo correct the guy.
@@emanuel6233 true he's on the defensive for American culture sure that's how they fix UPPER CLASS problems prescribe tablets and the poor are left to suffer the UPPER CLASS to as they relie on the tablets 🤔🤔👌
What a powerful questions and comments from Joe. Kept the other guy on his toes and even had to rethink his ideas that he thought for years. Like the idea of being successful vs happy as a way to reduce financial anxiety
Success and happiness are not the same thing, though there is overlap in these experiences. Joe simply isn't driven to seek happiness apart from success, or at least that how his comments come across. Interesting guy.
Success and happiness are not the same thing, though there is overlap in these experiences. Joe simply isn't driven to seek happiness apart from success, or at least that how his comments come across. Interesting guy.
Success and happiness are not the same thing, though there is overlap in these experiences. Joe simply isn't driven to seek happiness apart from success, or at least that how his comments come across. Interesting guy.
Success and happiness are not the same thing, though there is overlap in these experiences. Joe simply isn't driven to seek happiness apart from success, or at least that how his comments come across. Interesting guy.
Success and happiness are not the same thing, though there is overlap in these experiences. Joe simply isn't driven to seek happiness apart from success, or at least that how his comments come across. Interesting guy.
Suggestion: I first thank you both for an excellent talk. It would be great to have your opinion on the views of the psychiatrists Joanna Moncrieff and Sami Timimi as well as the the medical journalist Robert Whitaker. And it would be extremely interesting if you would interview these individuals. Each of them have something to say in relation to psychiatry. I think it is important to hear the different voices in the field, particularly when they have pertinent information to share. Many thanks to you.
I'm a filipino and i agree with the guy. Because of our basic filipino culture (strong family ties), when we want/need to be happy (say I lost my dog), our first instinct is to go find our family and/or friends, spend time with them and make them happy because seeing them happy makes us happy. And yes, one of the most fulfilling feeling is to actually help others, exactly how Joe said it. It's very common here in the Philippines to suddenly find a relative who you haven't seen for years to show up at your door and suddenly help you as much as they can without asking for anything in return, only to later discover that he/she's been having life issues. It feels weird to articulate this because it's so deeply intrinsic to our culture that articulating this feels cringy and not genuine. I can't speak for the Americans because I never lived there but I'm just reinforcing the guy's claims by sharing knowledge from from an actual person from a country with a very different culture from the US
I don’t think it’s cultural I think it’s biological that we gain happiness from others happiness. Humans have alway thrived together and the more we try to do things for ourselves instead of others the more society will fall apart.
I totally agree with you! Culture plays an immense roll on how we perceive life and live it. Being raised in Mexico and now living in the US for the majority of my life I have seen the difference between a collective culture and and individualistic one. In my experience I can see how the two different social cultures impact us as humans.
Interesting here in Sweden like Family is important but we usually do stuff for ourselfs and we have an culture here that were not that social and we keep too ourselfs and don't bother others and i would say that depression could be cause of that but as an family its good that making other people family happy but in today society their trying too break as with tv:s and computers are everywhere which is making people unsocial but i do believe in making other people happy can make ourself happy.
I come from India and just like other South Asian cultures, we have strong family bonds as well. I am not sure if they solve or create more depression. With 90% of the people being somewhere on the narcissitic spectrum, their own traumas, complexities, etc. make for very intrusive, controlling, demanding and toxic neighbours and relatives. There is a culture of extolling Eastern family values as being so beautiful and life saving, while in my experience a lot of mental abuse is often the underlying reality within all close knit human communities.
same assumption here. that is why sometimes there are things that I don't agree with joe with he might be a person with high IQ but he's EQ might be lacking. No body is perfect but to be a better person or not being depressed and reach a happy and fulfilling life is not about material and/or materialistic things it comes from your inner human being... being a caring and loving person to yourself and the people around you as simple as making someone smile is precious than making them smile with your shoes or accolades.
@@gelosyguat1211 I may be wrong but I got the impression that joe pushed back on the helping others to make yourself happy part because it sounds a bit ingenuine to help other people just for your own gain. Oh and btw I don’t agree with that, this is just what I guessed Joe meant
When a doctor says your depression is caused by a chemical imbalance, it would be good for the doc to follow up by saying that the chemical imbalance can be caused by this, this, and that, etc. EDIT: it would be good to use an anti-depressant as an absolute last resort to attempt to correct a problem
It’s not about self-centered versus sacrificial. The difference between depression and happiness is CONNECTION. If we do something that brings connection, it alleviates depression.
