See I prefer using ancient Neolithic dark magic, that way the meat doesn’t lose its taste and I can experience the memories of every single one of the animal’s ancestors while I’m eating it
That is complete BS. Everyone knows that death magic that leaves no taste afterward requires unicorn hair. What about the unicorn hair? Where are you getting the unicorn hair, Fred? mumblemumblecomingonyoutubeandtalkingshitbutaintgotnounicornhairmubmlemumble.
I am thinking about creating a bullet with wings that doesn't spin and maybe it can even be programmed to fly around so you can bend the bullet like in Wanted. Also then a bullet and an arrow won't fall at the same speed and you could maybe shoot even longer and more accurate. I would like it to be all mechanical though with no electronics
@@TheShadowofDormin Please do. Then I could say: " HEY I REMEMBER WHEN THAT GUY WROTE IN A COMMENT SECTION OF A RU-vid VIDEO, THAT HE WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT, AND HE DID!!!!" Wouldn't that be cool? 🤔🤷🏻♂️🙋🏻♂️
The Australian Aboriginal people would use a “woomera” which is used as an extension of the arm to generate more leverage to throw the spear further. With practice some people get really accurate and connect from up to 35 metres away. Also spears are extremely effective for catching crabs and bottom dwelling fish in shallow knee height water.
Acutally more "homo sapiens" approach would be to chase the giraffe until it falls down and then slice it's neck. The "superiority" of humans to other animals is that they are not the fastest but they have a lot of stamina and sweating. So real man chase animals till the prey falls down from exhaustion.
this dosen't mean anything my first course in university was a economics course and the very first class the teacher showed us some profit theory thing and applied it to farming stating that a cow that eats 86kg of grain per day would be the most profitable. I grew up on a farm and walked out of the class, the cow would be dead from bloat after 30kg
@@SouperSaiyan96 my point was often times professors and really intelligent people have little experience in real life. Obviously Joe rogan has much more experience in hunting. And probably actually understand much more about projectiles than the theoretical physicist
@@rickwilson5611 The fact that you couldn't understand that introductory courses omit boundary conditions and domain restrictions says more about you than it does academia. Yeah, maybe a first year classical mechanics course doesn't take into account resistance and aerodynamics in a projectile motion equation, because the students aren't equipped to deal with partial differential equations, R3 vector fields and Navier-Stokes parameters. That doesn't mean the tool for calculation or theoretical understanding is worthless.
"No species celebrates a kill" Well first you have the issue of how many species could even feel or express something like glee or celebration, but even then Killer Whales certainly take pleasure in their kills. So do cats.
Robert Regalado we don’t need to be experts to understand emotion and physical interaction. Most hunters (if mot all of them) rejoice at the completion of a difficult task, an unsure endeavor, knowing that once the animal is down you now have food, memories and more. Try hunting for once. It’s very rewarding and satisfying whether or not you kill an animal.
Spear hunting to me is pretty ethical. From what videos I saw, the spears have like a 1 to 3 inch blade. And they go through the entire animal. Compared to an arrow which does the same just more versatile, and gives more opportunities. The achievement is what people go for when they use a spear, it's hard to achieve. So I don't see why that's its wrong, since it's just bow hunting.
Lot better chance to miss since you’re relying on a lot more human mechanics. If you don’t kill the animal and you’re making it suffer then it becomes unethical. Bows are a lot more accurate and not entirely based on the human.
yeah, but the videos we see online are cherry picked. not too many videos out there getting posted of a hog with a spear stuck in it's hip or lung as it freaks out and thrashes. not even career spear hunters want to tune in for much of that... it's not a pretty sight and is actually a very intense display of pain and violence to watch a hog shake a 3 inch wide leafblade out, and it happens a lot. I'm not "against" spear hunting since failure rates are going to exist no matter what method you use... but it certainly is not an ethical choice to use a high failure method while more reliable alternatives exist. it IS a more pure way to hunt though, with almost all mechanical advantages taken out. so one could make the argument that this level of violence is what nature intends (not like a pack of wolves is going to be much kinder). even so, im about as soft hearted as a hunter can claim to be, so I personally stick to what I am most confident in for a clean take.
@@PedroKing99 yeah, I always give the animal a pat and take a moment to think about the fact that I just ended a life. Sometimes I even quietly apologize for cutting it short. Every hunter I know has their own little respect rituals. Honestly if anyone doesn't have at least one weird little thing to connect with the animal, there is a good chance they are probably a psycho lol
Wrong and wrong. Its not gifts or a pleasure thing. Your cat brings you small mice because thats their form of rent payment. They are protector animals and thats their way of paying for the roof and food you provide them
Causing more pain for a animal brother at the end of the day it just ain’t right if your the one provoking the animal. If you want to hunt a bear with a spear or a fuckin lion hey by all means it’s a fair fight for both parties. Even if you hit them in the leg . Your still fighting for your life as much as they are. That’s the point we’re getting across
@@upperjohn117aka He said Ethical, not Practical. And even that is based on goals. You just want to nail a creature 30 or so yards away with ease-pick the gun. You want a bit of challenge-pick the spear.
@@devins4081 looking at some of the spears being used, the ends that are going in are hardly bigger than arrows. You're not causing more pain, you're just using a tool that's easier to see work in progress. Hit any animal in the leg with bullet or spear head, it will suffer. Hit either in the chest and they go down fairly fast.
Guess why in the stone ages the average age was 25. Right, because they starved to death you well educated human being. Guess why. RIGHT, because they had spears. Guess why they didn't starve in the middle ages? RIGHT.. bows, traps, more knowledge about hunting, better technology. By the way guns are a thing in the 3rd world. Who or what made you think that everyone in Africa hunts with spears because you sure must know a lot. Go educate yourself :D
@@maxmustermann7794 How you autistically wrote this 3 paragraph essay that has nothing to do with what I wrote is the most hilarious piece of literary brain fart I've ever seen in my life.
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 It's not that I want you to believe me. I'm telling you, that you are wrong. I know that, I think that's enough. :D Greets from Germany and I think we can leave it at that
Hey cockroaches have milk too, if you're comfortable murdering them with your bare hands, clearly i'm just better than you. Cockroaches require at least a 12 gauge slug. Everybody knows they can live without a head for 7 days, and thus superior ethics require total vaporization. I inhale sharply afterward so I can use the whole animal.
youre right. the people who have this argument are the same people who buy meat from the stores in the most unethical conditions. Maybe before having this conversation people should quit buying store meat all together and only eat hunted meat
And they are killed with a hammer or a nut shot from an air gun or they are trapped with their head caught and then their throat is cut so they bleed out with no chance to escape. Wild animals at least have a chance.
Inuit still use Spear because Extreme Cold Cracks bows and Guns are Expensive (not to mention the bring in Predators who learned the smell of Gunpowder means a fresh kill)
Yea but that is the ethical discussion. Personaly i am against all hunting but i dont hate people who do. I am indifferent i just dont see the need for it in todays society.
@@Kratatch because we buy meat that's pumped with antibiotics and painkillers from farms that literally disregard ethicality to mass produce meat. Tell me what's more ethical, killing maybe a deer or two a year to feed your family or buying meat from a supermarket where the generations of livestock we're confined and treated like shit?
@@mmrtommyg01 Do you need to kill that deer? No. Do you want to? Yes. As they say in the vid, we are too many to make a living out of hunting if everyone would do it.
Tons of animals celebrate their kills, just look at orcas playing with wounded sea lions, cats playing with badly hurt mice... and of course there is chimps. Personally i think its good that some people keep primal technology and hunting methods alive as cultural heritage of mankind. Archeologist usually struggle finding out about our past life simply because we cant always find people doing things "the old fashioned way" nowadays. And to a certain extent i think its worrysome how humans nowadays depend on tons of technology that we dont know how to produce. We are consumers of technology, not creators, yet we act like we are better than people from primitive times.
Actually even primitive humans weren't really creators in the Sense that they just used and recycled nature in order to to thrive they didnt really "create" Anything they just turned stone into tool and wood into Weapon
When I was 18 I bought my first rifle, the owner of the gun shop was this man who had hunted everything from deer in the PA woods, to lions on the savannah. The last I talked to him he had told me his next hunt he was going to strap raw meat to himself and walk through the woods with a limit on food, water, and ammunition. Years later I completely understand what he meant, regular hunting becomes too easy with a rifle. Anyone can shoot a deer. But fighting off a pack of wolves or coyotes puts you where you belong on the food chain.. the bottom... And makes you respect just how easy we have it.
We're the exact opposite of the bottom. We're the top of the food chain. Being an apex predator doesn't mean you have 0 threats to your life. Don't self deprecate the human race lol a rifle is all that's necessary to catapult us to apex
Spears kill faster than arrows due to more rapid bloodloss. Hunting within your effective range is ethical, all hunters regardless of equipment should be aware of their limits
@@thatoldserpent851 most people can't throw a spear at the speed of a modern compound bow. And you can 100% hit the vitles more reliably with a bow, the margin for error is higher.
Modern bows are so powerful that the arrow will just go through the animal and get stuck in the ground behind it..... That's not a good thing. Any extra force beyond it penetrating the organs is unnecessary and what happens when you increase the speed is you get a cleaner cut... Which isn't necessarily making more damage. If a spear can go half-way through an animal (And I've seen it go all the way through a bear) it will do much more damage because it's just larger. You need skill for both bow and spear hunting, but if you get it to stick properly a spear is far far more effective just by the virtue that it is HEAVIER and BIGGER = Bigger wound and more force transferred.
Bow hunting is not only about the challenge or thrill, it is also about opportunity. most areas have a bow only season, so you get an early chance at an animal before rifle season opens up and it gets more competitive.
@@KappaKiller108 in the video he says people shouldn't hunt with spears until they become good at it... my point is how do you become good at hunting with spears before you ever do it... not that you should try hunting with spears before ever throwing your first spear, but that despite target practice you're not going to be good at it till you do it a few times... It's like reading the kama sutra and beating off then proclaiming you're a pornstar. Or watching bill dance videos casting a zebco 33 a few times in the back yard and then proclaiming your gonna be on bassmasters... i knew that he prolly meant comfortable with a spear but that's not what was said so I made a little joke...
Issue is it’s a lot easier to mess up with a spear, bow, or crossbow over a gun. If you can ethically kill something 99% of the time with a gun then why are we running around like cavemen with a spear where the kill may be 50-50.
Just because you haven't "seen it" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I would laugh my ass off at someone that tries to spear something and gets attacked tho haha
For sure. Iv heard him do that with several different subjects. Wait til his friend kills a giraffe with a spear an then you will hear " either way it is killing it" "either way its being eaten" " hunting is hunting" " or a big story " one time I had a friend that did it and he enjoyed it an did it right" theres no more brutality or rage in doing it by a spear then a rifle" ..... Hes always got a friend that does or did whatever he is talking about. Even that one story about his friend that murdered someone. Bla bla bla.
@@flystraight7994 Wait... He's ignorant of the English language, or the English people? Or did you mean English as an adjective and describe him as being as Ignorant as an English person? Please clarify. Perhaps work with word order and placing the verb before the noun to make your sentence more precise.
@Jordan Johnson You could frame it in a million different ways but there is not quantitative difference to measure here. There is this thing called killing that gets done, there is this thing called celebration that gets done. We can recognize the first sort of behavior happening after the second sort of behavior in many places other than humans. The most importantly conspicuous element here is that we are the only animals that give a shit. Whether that is because of some man-privilege that we should be ashamed of, or its by some god given righteous claim over the universe, or its just a happy accident. Who knows. I am not going to go around kicking myself in the dick though because people have shallow unimaginative ideas about why everyone other then themselves is to blame for bad feelings they have.
Kinda hypocritical of Joe, a bow hunter. "But why? What are you doing? Rifles are more ethical, so why use a bow? Trying to prove your macho?" See how that works lol
Accuracy is highly dependent on the weapon as well. If I give you a rifle with a smooth barrel you're not going to be very accurate after so many yards just won't be. And a round musket ball is a lot less accurate than the bullet we have now. And if I went and made a bowl out of PVC piping, then I went and got it professionally built handmade professional bow I will guarantee it will be highly more accurate and shoot quite a bit farther distance.
Jinx Jones I hate to break it to you but there's muskets capable of staying on target out to like 1800 yards that were produced nearly over one hundred and fifty years ago (granted they're not low tech smooth bores). Some of them even used hexagonal rifling as it was more precise than trying to rifle a circular barrel back in those days. Forgotten weapons has some good videos on these particular muzzle loaders if you're interested.
Tim Wells is a monster with a blow Gun. And just because he’s good and you suck doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be able to use it. How many people wound deer with a rifle every year. My brother in law wounds 3 a year. Should we not hunt ? No. Only assholes don’t kill what they shoot st
Raycurlee23 no one is saying that Tim Wells shouldn’t be able. They are saying that the general hunter probably shouldn’t because most people don’t have the skill level of Tim Wells. How is that hard to fucking fathom? Go forwards not backwards. Why the fuck would I regress to Spears and blowguns when I have more effective tools? I’m not a fucking mong so I don’t do that.
Joe Rogan I respect you but I Disagree with you big Time On your take on People hunting with Spears like Bro Through out Millenia people hunted with spears like a got a spear I'm gonna get my hunting license soon and Go spear Hunting💪💪
Aside from a trap spear is the easiest way to kill a bear. Just stick the other end into some rocks and let the bear charge you. It will fall on the spear and kill itself.
Spear hunting is extremely fun. Spears are also surprisingly easier to throw with a little bit of practice. Spear hunting is not about proving to people that you're better, it's about the thrill of spear hunting. There is also an atlatl (aka spear thrower). They allow the person to throw the spear twice the distance, and impact. You do have to be slightly crazy to love spear hunting.
i literally seen a video of a pack of hyenas killing an antelope while it was trying to give birth, ripping the fowl out the vag midway out and eating it while the mother is being attacked by other hyenas. Spears aren't that bad.
He’s explaining for the audience, I’m shocked the physicist didn’t tell him he was wrong, because he was. Aerodynamics effect the decent rate. Ever throw a frisbee?
Accuracy at distance does not equal ethical. If you are accurate at 10yrds with a spear or 20 yards with a recurve bow and you can hit your mark it as good as anything else. Using more primative weapons is not about taking long shots, its about using your hunting skills to get in ethical range for the weapon used. It is alot harder to get 10yrds from your target/prey than 100yrds. That is why people want to use more primative weapons.
curlylarrymoe i think he means subjectively, like if a first time hunter attempts a shot, he might not be as accurate as an experienced marksman. So a marksman would have a more ethical choice if they knew they could accurately hit the spot.
@@chunkyMunky329, in another clip about animals killing their siblings immediately after birth he called female hyenas "women" two or three times. I don't think Joe's brain was on point that day!
@@thanksfernuthin That's not the same kind of mistake. Here, Eric is asking him a question specifically about ethics. It is the core subject and therefore it makes a huge difference to the whole conversation for him to accidentally misuse the word ethical in an answer about ethics. It changes the nature of his point of view significantly.
And is practically pin point accurate, and moves at a much quicker speed. An arrow is a lot more humane than a spear, but a bullet is more humane than both.
@Gabrielk 2024 A spear is plenty accurate inside it's effective range. A bow isn't very accurate out to 600 yards the way a bullet is. And a beginner isn't accurate with a bow either. It's all about skill level. Why throw the spear? Plenty of spear hunters go after feral pigs. You hold on to the spear and stab the pigs...before they rip your guts out with their tusks.
He makes bow hunting sound as if it is military training. Patience and practice is all you need. It isn’t easy, but it is a very rewarding practice. It is also very enjoyable because of the up close interaction with the animals. Small kids can do it, it isn’t that difficult.
True but I think he’s talking about stalking an elk or a moose. He doesn’t regularly deer hunt I don’t think. But even bow hunting deer can be extremely difficult
Joe thinks bow hunting, like everything, is martial arts. He’s dumb. He’s just a low IQ stoner Californian. And Eric Weinstein is a really smart guy but a humongous pussy.
My brother did spear hunting because he wanted to know what it was like for primitive humans when they hunted and after he killed the deer, he use all the meat and the skin it was honestly really educational
_Brilliant comment._ it never ceases to amaze me how fully grown adult humans in the modern day can try and avoid their moral responsibility by pointing to wild bears (or any other wild predatory nonhuman). If you don’t want to be moral then just say it; don’t hide behind disingenuous arguments about animals that can’t philosophize.
@Stefan Kovacevic the point he's making is that with the bow you can still argue it's ethical, with a spear the argument doesn't exist.... this isn't an all or none game you can draw a line where you feel comfortable...
@@metro9636 lmao yeah he's a celebrity why the fuck wouldn't he? the guy from meat eater taught him to hunt with a bow in the first place... you're clearly just salty because you got torn an ethical asshole 😂
Spear hunting is no less ethical than any other legal form of harvesting as long as the kill is very likely going to occur quickly. Like bowhunting, for spear hunting you have to get really close to the quarry. Though Joe mentions 100 yards for a bow shot, your average ethical hunter wouldn't attempt a bow shot outside 40 yards. It's much too technique-sensitive and subject to environmental variables. Spear hunters are danger close to ensure success, usually coming down from above the animal. If it blows their hair back a bit more as they fill up their freezer (or that at the local soup kitchen), who cares? Joe's a hunter, so I'm kind of surprised at his take on the practice.
I am surprised as well. Let’s all raise our hands honestly now, how many of you have had to track an animal after hitting it with a shot, (round, bullet, arrow, dart)? Or did your prey just fall to the ground immediately dead? Unrealistic result comparison...
And the funny part is he is wrong you can look up the bullet drop on most rifle calibers in a 100 yards is damn near zero lmao he is either high as fuck or uneducated
@Kuuryo the problem is that the probability of wounding an animal instead of killing it is a magnitude higher with a spear. So imagine how many more wounded animals or rotting because they got away are out there if a lot more people are spear hunting.
@@RashaKahn You don't know what you're talking about m8. Spears are larger and heavier than arrows. The inertia is greater on a spear and the cutting edge is longer on the spear tip so penetration is maximised and the animal bleeds out quicker than it would with an arrow head.
Amellow and you obviously didn't watch the clip, it's because of how it is inherently (a magnitude higher) harder to hit an animal with it as opposed to a bullet or a bolt. And the argument of practicing with it will make you better is bs, you can say that with using a rock. The point is why cause the animal suffering, so the "hunter" can feel more manly about killing it?
Tim wells is a good example, he hunts with spears, but he also shoots the heads off of the fastest flying birds with a bow and arrow mid flight. He even kills grizzly bears with blow guns. He is a very skilled hunter. His son shot the wings off a dragon fly with a bow and arrow mid flight as well, beautifully skilled family. I know they do it for meat and because they are skilled enough to do so, it’s even more exciting when you know you’re able to effectively. I personally hunt deer with a .22lr. I shoot for the back of the neck at the spinal cord for every shot, 99% of the time is an instant death, worse case I have to finish one off with one follow up shot but the deer stay where you hit them opposed to running a bit from a lung shot. I’m too fucking lazy to chase deer down.
Tim Wells drops them fast with a spear. Faster then most bow kills. Where the animal gets hit. pass through. then runs off to bleed out. The spear head is similar to a LARGE broadhead and kills much faster.
I feel like if you are practiced in the art and are passionate about it, then it’s ethical. As long as you can make a quick kill, hit vitals. I don’t see where the problem is.
MrCurbinator he’s an idiot thinking that if he can’t do it that means no one can.... look at that guy that spears bears in the heart. Kills em quick and painless
Spears definitely kill with way more pain and suffering than a rifle. A skilled rifleman can drop prey much more efficiently than someone skilled with a spear
"What are you doing? You trying to prove you are better than people that hunt with a bow and arrow?" Can't someone that hunts with a gun say the same thing about his little bow and arrow kick?
Never seen a spear hunt fail, I’ve seen a lot of lost arrows or shots that just didn’t do the trick. Spear hunting, you tend to be the most skilled, usually. Ask any amateur hunter out there, he’s going for the gun, bow second, and spear is the last. That spear guy isn’t letting the animal get away, the kill will always come back with you. Not always with the bow or the gun.
A lot of people seem to "draw the line" at fish. Maybe because they're not mammals so they seem more distant or because the next step after fish would probably be insects... Damn. Mark my words (August, 2019), the next step probably will be bugs if the current cultural trends continue. In all reality you have to set boundaries somewhere, and the next step after insects will be plants, because they're living things to. After consuming plants are a taboo, who knows what will be next?
@@ts1905 bruh that's something I would think about or say high af low key after plants becomes germs once you get sick you can't take medicine for it becuse you'd be killing some shit lol
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Okay but fish are a different story no one cares about them and bow fishing is fun
A M I think something that small is different, your almost always going to kill it fast if you hit it. And if not, you have disabled it’s ability to swim away most of the time and can kill it quickly after that.
Let's be honest here: aside from a very small number of kills done by professionals after studying animal populations to keep the eco-system balanced, most people hunt for sport. To the animal it really doesn't matter if they get shot, trapped or speared. It's a few seconds more of pain before they die, but die they will. So outside of fucked up shit like what they do to those bulls in Spain, there's really only two stances to have: either you believe hunting for sport isn't ethical, in which case the weapon of choice is really beside the point, or you think hunting for sport is fine, in which case a spear if properly used is just about as good as a gun. I also really don't think anyone who eats meat should be allowed to act outraged at some guy with a spear skulking in the woods to poke critters. The few seconds of panic and potential pain that a free animal experiences before death is nothing to some of the stuff domesticated animals go through before they end up in a sealed package in Walmart. The deer won't care if they're bleeding out because they got perforated by a bullet or by a wooden stick.
I agree with most of what you said, but it is a lot harder to hit a target with a spear and if you miss the vital organs and hit a deer in a leg for instance, that animal could be dying for quite a long time. Could be that you have just wounded it and it dies two days later in agony from an infection...
@@odysseusoutis7581 The same happens with arrows and guns though. Usually what happens then is that the person wounding the animal follows the blood and finishes the job. They're not supposed to just shrug and go "oh well, it'll probably die eventually". People do that when they shoot an animal and it shies away at the last second as well.
Mike Litoris to your point with Gandalf, the risk of you messing up with a spear in increasingly higher than with a gun. Not to mention the learning curve of you screwing up before you actually get good at. Guns are simple, just about anyone with 2 arms can pick one up and kill something within 100 yards if they know where to shoot on the animal.
@@johnmoore1495 I'd still say the animal doesn't much care what tool or weapon you use to murder it. In nature, they're often killed by predators that aren't much more merciful than a spear, even used badly. It also doesn't address my qualifier - I said "if properly used". Sure, messing up with a primitive weapon is easier, I absolutely accept that, but I still think the argument is a bit facetious because you can also use a gun badly and you're still killing the critter, spear or no spear. If you want to hunt, go hunt. If you eat meat, don't pretend to be outraged at the people that go hunt. I'm not a hunter. If society collapsed, I'd probably die because I have no idea how to provide for myself if animals aren't killed and packaged for me to buy, not least because I'm not sure I'd be able to kill something to eat if I had to. At the same rate, I'm not going to step on a soap box and lecture some guy for shooting (or spearing) a deer.
Mike Litoris the problem is it's not a reliable tool to kill it quickly, (like a magnitude higher). And your qualifier can apply to anything, a butter knife properly used can kill an animal ethically but the probability is even lower. Seem like you're lumping hunters all together, there is a wrong way to hunt and this is what it's about.
I've never hunted in a conventional sense but I've fished my whole life and as an angler I can understand the trophy pictures. It's not about the kill or the catch it's about the accomplishment of completing your goal
spear hunter here, it's a pretty great way to hunt when you're good at it. ive dropped alot of whitetails with it. lots of fast bloodloss & the deer never get more than 10yards. it's a very fast harvest.
I know you haven’t probably cared about this is forever but I feel you are a reasonable person, for me it’s more of why do something like spear hunting that puts the animal in a huge amount of pain before it dies when you could just kill it instantly with a gun? Unless adrenaline kills pain that fast then sure but yea it’s just that part that itches me.
@@raizek055 guns rarely offer an instant death for game animals. headshots are not always available & being off by a small margin will cause far, far more suffering than an arrow or a spear. for example a small branch causing the bullet to alter hitspots can lead to the bullet taking off its jaw. or hitting the nose or top of the head away from the brain. Lungshots with rifles also takes much longer for large game animals too pass. With a 300winmag lung shot on a mule deer. the deer can still live up to 1 Hour after the intial shot. It also ran over 100 yards until it needed to bed down & hide. I use a leaf bladed spear & an atlatl. The mule buck last year was dead within 5mins & the amount of blood loss caused unconsciousness within a 20 yard run. In my first hand experience. Modern Spears are perfectly ethical with training. I enjoy all forms of hunting & have been doing it yearly over 20 years now.
@@sk8ter409 Also I’m general from the videos I’ve seen, the animals always throw themselves about with a huge amount of panic and fear while most gun hunts I’ve seen they drop on the spot, for example I’ve seen coyotes drop on the spot with a sniper rifle and such but I guess it involves more the size of the game right?
I’ve watched Tim Wells on his show Relentless Pursuit kill a few different game animals with a spear and compared to a broadhead on an arrow his spear makes a much quicker kill.
@@lancejohnson8847 Right, the only times I've been tempted to take a longshot was being about 60-70ft up a hill but even then I'd be bushing 80 yards not 100.
I thought i could maybe hit a deer with a bow at 75 yards. I eye balled it and hit her in the spine. Made all kinds of noise. Every animal in the woods came running to check it out. Felt bad tho ended it quickly after.
If you are proficient with it, a spear through the vitals is just as effective/possibly more effective then arrows or bullets through the same spot. It just takes practice like guns and bows. Range is just limited.
@Herm Wanderer hence the practice. Not arguing guns and bows are accurate at a longer distance. Just saying with practice I think you could hit a plate with a spear on a regular basis. That's all you need for vitals.
@Herm Wanderer right... Spears have distance limitations. NO DISPUTING that. However to deny the massive wound channel that a spear creates at a close distance is denying logic. Are people lobbing so 100 yards, no, and they shouldn't. If they want to hang out in a tree all day for an animal to walk within 10 feet that's their business. Spears are very effective at putting game down quickly from a close range. Bows are good to 75 yards with lots of practice. Some people are proficient with rifles out to a mile, although 3-400 yards is probably more common for average shooters. Doesn't matter the tool, a bad hit is just that.
This ethics argument is completely unrelated to the type of weapon used. One can make an ethical kill with a sniper rifle at 500 m on the other side of a valley, or make an ethical kill with a spear at 15 m, or one can make an ethical kill using a catapult at 5m. Ethics is not about the spear as a hunting tool. It is about the skill and ability of the hunter with their chosen weapon.
@@commonsense9076 I'd have more pity for someone who is desperate and steals food rather than someone who victimizes as a profession but the reality is that if you are able to meet the needs of you and yours, then everything is all good with Nature
Everything is ethical if you're deadly with it. Bet Tim Wells is more deadly with a spear than you are with a compound bow... he even almost killed himself! :D
that guy put a go pro to his spear so he can document the kill in first perspective. he doesnt hunt for food or conservation. he hunts for the sake of killing. he would pay to kill people if it is possible.
Peter Hayes yeah. whats there to document? what necessary hunting knowledge that we dont know do you get out of it? you wont even be able to see things clearly as the spear spins. he just wanted to see the kill close up. if a random civilian did that in a suburban area, that person would be on fbi watch list as an animal abuser and a potential sociopath.
@@elee9056 Exactly! I've never hunted but if I had the means, I probably would as a way to put food on the table. I've watched other hunting channels, and the respect, care and love they show to the animal they harvest is (from what I gather) what it's all about. I've seen grown men cry from killing a elk or deer. Not once have I seen that Tim Wells guy say anything about how the meat is going to feed his family or show any emotion other then that of excitement for the sake of killing.
@@johnmoore1495 By that logic shouldn't Joe "I'll change my opinion when one of my friends hunt with a spear" Rogan also be against bow and muzzle-loader hunting?
Capricious Highblood he’s talked about that before (if not in this video, I can’t remember.) He does think it’s a weird double standard, and I agree. Personally I’d only have gun hunting with bigger animals like deer, bear, moose, etc because they take significantly longer to die if you take a bad shot with an arrow vs a gun.
Spears are just as ethical as bows. People don't hunt 50 yards away with a spear. Its impossible. The stuff I have seen bears die just as quickly if not quicker.
Up North here, we First Nations people (Occasionally) bring someone with a Spear to Lance the Animal and make sure it is dead (from a safe distance) while Bow-hunting Extreme Game Eg. Buffalo (Aka Walking Tank)
I would like to die fighting this is what my dad wants to do. (Before I die I want to go to Alaska during the spawning season a fight a grisly bear with a sword for his fish. May the best beast win)
I made my own atlatl. Its fairly accurate and was a tool all people were allowed to have when the bow was the equivalent of a rifle. Practice is always important, no matter what projectile you use. They can take down medium game okay but in history were a great tool to hunt giant animals, and whales.
Look up deer headshot fail. People are fucked in the head. How do you miss the shoulder chest cavity with a rifle? I grew up shooting and have always loved archery more. Rifle accuracy is a matter of practice. who gut shots a deer on purpose with the apex hunting tool? Morons
Cmon really? I mean same shot placement with a rifle will put an animal down a lot faster than an arrow, thats why I dont like bow hunting....Dont want the animal to suffer.
I fucking hate most hunters. They think they know ballistics but really don’t. Everyone I know always comes home I missed or I hit it, but it got away. Like dude you want me to teach you how to shoot? Na man I’ve been doing it all my life. Well doing it wrong I guess.
It takes the same kind of skill an dedication to master the spear as the bow not just anyone can secede your actual giving the animal more of a chance it's actually a lot harder than it looks
I think the idea behind primitive hunting is that the journey is the reward. Why go for a hike when you could just drive there? Because the challenge and enjoyment of hiking is the reason behind hiking, not just getting to the destination.
