People complaining about CGI are just boomers yearning for nostalgia.The world is our oyster with CGI,almost anything can be created.Give it another decade or 2 time and it'll be indistinguishable from live action.
@@deansandrice4853 You may be right in a decade or 2, but now it looks about as realistic as the animation in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, hence the rampant disgust.
@@deansandrice4853 I'm Gen X. Taking a great story line and adding CGI ruins so many promising horror movies. Sinister and The Grudge immediately come to mind. That's why Ju On: The Grudge will always be the better movie. Hell, the claymation in the original IT is more impressive than the CGI in most movies from the 2000's to present date.
The Thing ('82), Exorcist, Dawn of the Dead ('78), were films that are absolute gold when it comes to horror, effects & makeup. Can't talk about makeup & effects without mentioning Tom Savini.
121bham are you kidding me ? Neil kept interrupting joe every time it was annoying as fuck this is just two guys talking and having fun not debating and interrupting
Watching lots of old horror movies because it's the season, and it's fun to hear them talk all that stuff. Rob is very knowledgable and passionate about those.
I know, right? I'm exhausted 😴 and I was juuusst about to go to bed, and then I saw this video. Damn it Rob Zombie.... 😒 I have to get up an be reasonably functional in about 5 hours, so I really SHOULD be in bed now, but no. I'm gonna be watching RU-vid instead. Thanks a lot Mr. Zombie.... 🤨
Erica and Aiden. Exactly same here....tired af....but now I can't sleep, have to listen to this. Damnit. Losing precious sleep. Rob Zombie is turning me into..........a zombie.
Yeah. And it actually nails that Lovecraftian horror theme of having an antagonist that was unknowable and virtually impossible to beat. Even at the end it wasn’t clear if the Thing was dead or not.
The biggest example of cgi gone all fucked up are the Jurassic park movies. How is it that the original Jurassic park looks more believable than the new ones
Yeah Spielberg knew how to frame scenes so that the CGI effects looked as good as possible, especially when combined with all the great practical makeup and animatronics. Modern movies use CGI as a go-to resource when it really should be the last resort to make a scene work.
Recent CGI is usually animated really badly so it's not the actual visuals/details (although the lighting is also bad and jarring) but more the fact that the animals etc. Are overly animated and unnatural. It doesn't give a feeling or sense of weight. Jurassic Park (1993) textures admittedly look dated now but it's the animation and cinematography thats top notch and ultimately makes it more believable than Jurassic World.
Nothing beats old school horror. Bela Lugosi, Lan Chaney, Boris Karloff & I think Vincent Price is my all time favorite. So many great Price movies. I especially love The Abominable Dr Phibes & his series of Edgar Allen Poe films with Roger Corman. *”PIT &THE PENDULUM”*
Yes you’ve listed the dream team right there, with both Lon Chaney and his son too. You should check out the movies where Karloff and Legosi star together. It’s a treat watching them perform against one another
My older cousin was a horror movie collector and showed us some crazy vintage horror flicks growing up. House, Black Sabbath, the 70's zombie movies, foreign gore movies. That era of movies cannot be topped IMO.
Clive Barker's *Hellraiser* was absolutely awesome and it gave that sense of dread because the characters were real/in the flesh. Especially the way "Frank" was reconstituting his flesh.😲😁
Id like to argue that Frank and the wife were the real monsters in that; not pinhead. Really frank feeds on humans and pinhead feeds on frank. Human(innocent) beats pinhead.
hex warp from what I gather from the original movie is that ‘pinhead’ and the cenobites are really quite neutral and don’t really pass judgement on what is ‘good’ and ‘evil’ like a hero or villain is. They’re simply scions of the world they’re from. Of pain equaling pleasure. To them, they have no understanding of doling out punishment as retribution, simply as a function. If you seek out the configuration, you must have some sense of knowing what you’re doing. Don’t come to the party if you’re not ready to dance (so to speak)
The edge of Hellraise was that the bad guy was a mere human, not the Cenobites/Priest (aka Pinhead). Same goes for Night Breed which is my personal favorite. The Director's Cut would be perfect were it not for that god awful singing performance during the LSD scene. 😑
It's just crazy to me how a lot of people only know him for that one role, because he was a really gifted actor. He stole Son Of Frankenstein as Ygor, probably the best performance in any of those old monster movies, and elevated Ghost Of Frankenstein with that same character. Black Cat, The Raven, White Zombie, Island Of Lost Souls, Mark Of The Vampire, etc. He was in like 100 movies but most of the time they just didn't know how to utilize him.
@@edisongirard yeah but you said practical looks fake, and sometimes it does, but there are some awesome practical fx that just looks crazy realistic or gruesome like some death scenes from 80s gore movies or monsters like the one from 'the Thing' (1984) for example
I just got the Universal horror collection 30 classic horror movies. All the Dracula, Mummy, Frankenstein, creature, invisible man and Wolf man movies been slowly watching my way through um and loving every moment of it. Wish they made movies this good nowadays.
Michael Cauterucci he actually Sharted. They made it out as if he poopt his pant in the official story but in reality it was a Shart. I was shocked when I originally heard that a guy poopt his pant but was let down to realize that they dramatized the reports. Sadly it was only a Shart. 😕
Im glad Joe is showing his kids old movies to see where all this new shit came from and the progression. That's how I got hooked on horror is from my dad showing me old horrors and other old movies.
I think the reason why FX work (sometimes) holds up better than CGI is because it is tangible. As Rob points out at the end of the video, even though you know there isn't a real zombie, or monster in a scene, you know that there really was at least someone or something in that scene. It's why the muppets still work despite being puppets. You knowing there is a real, tactile object helps suspend your disbelief.
I like what Rob says about perspective, and how these movies must've affected people back then. I always wish I was one of the people that saw the Exorcist when it first came out. It made such an impact on people, because there was nothing else like it at the time. People were emotionally scarred by it. I wish I could've experienced it from that perspective.
I could hear Zombie talk classic films all day long. Still patiently waiting for his new album, if its anywhere near as good as the last I'll be more than happy
I think that the slow burn style of horror films like the shining definitely can work in this day and age. Just look at films like the witch and hereditary. So much tension and atmosphere and paranoia that there's no real boring moments. There is chaos within the silence. Like the calm before the storm, you're just waiting for something to happen or for someone to snap. Those moments are what I love about good psychological horror. You know something's gonna happen, but you don't know when or what.
The Thing (1982) is my all time favorite horror movie! Fun fact: The actors who played the characters in that movie did not see the creature effects until they started shooting. So they're looks of disgust and shock are actually genuine from the actors. Some even said that the effects were so grotesque, they made them sick to their stomachs.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favorites and that's coming from a huge Horror movie collector. I was so very surprised much later to find out that this movie didn't do well in the theaters. I re-watch it about once every year.
It's just impossible to create the same effect with CGI, physical make up and props are better even after 40 freaking years. Same goes for the fly and the evil dead.
I always love that when I showed these early films to my nephew aged four and five he always got them and had empathy for Kong, Frankenstein and The Creature From The Black Lagoon. The humans were always the bad guys and the so called monsters the victims.
The Shining, The Exorcist, and Alien - in that order - are the apex of horror cinema. The modern resurgence with Aster, Eggers, and even Peale is fun, but I don’t think anything modern could possibly compare to the artistry of someone like Kubrick, or even earlier powerhouses like Hitchcock and Romero
Their discussion on practical effects vs. CGI is just one of the reasons why The Thing (1982) by John Carpenter is probably my favorite horror film ever. The Fly (1986) and Videodrome (1983) by David Carpenter also have some of my all-time favorite practical effects in film. I think they're right about the mind immediately/automatically recognizing CGI as fake. It's like the uncanny valley effect that's common in gaming.
That and carpenters thing might be my favorite 80s horror flicks. (Though american werewolf was not a straight horror flick because it made me laugh at times).
Very refreshing movie banter. I'm not a blood and guts guy, but the original Universal horror movies are superb. Theres a box set of 8 that's a must have for the era. Truly appreciated the cgi vs man made talk, and how the mind reacts. Rob Zombie mtv cribs will showcase all of the posters he's talkin' about.
Imagine having Joe Rogan as a dad. You grow up living the millionaire good life, get educated on every aspect of life, best advice, and later on you can do all the trippy drugs you want, and he'd be tripping with you
The guy getting chased through the subway in an American werewolf in London was brutal as a little kid, you barely saw the werewolf but you knew the poor guy was toast! " run sir run " 🐺🕺🦔AAAHH
Great scene....no music just the guy running alone in the subway.... if you watch closely when he jumps on the escalator it looks like he mangles his ankle pretty good before the werewolf shreds him
Yeh and the couple who go round the back to scare their friends, pretty much every death scene was awesome, jacks too on the moor. The moor bit scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂
James Bellflower Yeh when the policeman goes in the cinema and see it eating someone, the whole movie was a classic. The dreams David had, jackk coming back with David’s victims
Im 52 and I can still remember where I was sitting in the theater when I saw Star Wars at 11 years old. the first ships that went across the screen had me looking around the theater like, what the hell is this?!
Such a GREAT CONVERSATION. They really elaborated on the historical predictions and the PRACTICAL EFFECTS back then that are LEGENDARY. Its good to know they are still people out there who APPRECIATE the joys of what it takes to make good movies and great effects. Thats why older movies will ALWAYS trumph over anything modern in most cases.....because it was BELIEVABLE and NATURAL. THANKS FOR SHARING
Rileyb reals to be fair, I didn’t hate what he did. It just didn’t need to be Halloween, it could’ve been about a new killer. But of course it wouldn’t have made so much money, so there’s that.
I agree. There some great films that can be a slow burn but it feels like it flies by because the atmosphere has so much tension. There's so much happening within the silence. Like the shining and even newer films like the witch and hereditary.
On the subject of amazing practical FX, Ridley Scott's Legend NEVER gets the respect that it deserves. That movie STILL looks amazing to this day. The make up they put on Tim Curry alone was epic!
Agreed 110%! I was blown away by it when I was a kid watching it in the theater and I can still get swept up in the beauty of that film decades later. Tim Curry as the Lord of Darkness pretty much owned that movie. He even had a strange sort of sex appeal which is damned hard to pull off with all that make-up.
I always forget that Ridley Scott directed Legend. I guess that's probably because the first two things that pop into my mind when I think of the movie are Tim Curry's excellent performance and Tom Cruise with his messed up teeth prior to his fame and Scientology.
"THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE MONSTER?" That can be said about many things we fear to face in our lives. Usually the reality is no where near our imagination.
old horror movies are awesome, particularly Karloff and Lugosi, for instance in The black Cat, what a trip that movie is, way ahead of its time. The visuals were unforgettable, the house and the bizarre Karloff costume
dios bananos Sure. However, that’s not what I was commenting on. They were discussing how he delivered the dialogue, and he spoke deliberately, like they were discussing, because he couldn’t speak English.
I grew up on old movies, courtesy of my film buff dad. Old horror movies are cool and have this gothic feel to them. The invisible man is one of my favorite movies.
I didn't know much about Rob Zombie, other than some of his music that I like, but he's really chill and smart. Thank you both for a great interview :)
When they talk intensity of watching scenes for the first time and Rob mentions Frankenstein killing fritz, I think of the scene with Otis and the sheriff with the overhead view pause scene. That scene rocked my world forever ago and ill never forget that feeling.
Star Wars was a WTF moment for me leaving the theatre so was Jaws, and I agree life took a slight turn in 1977 for me being a 12 year old. A very strong memory pretty frigging awesome though I was very much blown away.
First flick I saw in the theater was Return of the Jedi. I was three, and yes it changed my life. Been a huge fan since. Second was E.T. That flick also still holds up. Got to see it in theaters a few years ago for the 35th anniversary, and it did not disappoint.
Lon Chaney use to travel with his own makeup kit everywhere he went. He was a genius. Inventing all of these terrifying monsters from scratch on stage, nicolodians, shorts. He traveled everywhere on his own dime. People respected him greatly
Omg right before Rob mentioned the first appearance of Karloff in Frankenstein I was saying how chilling that still is and then he mentions it. Everything about it is so great between the makeup, the zoom and also Karloff taking out his bridgework really added to that sunken in, decaying look
@@raymondortiz085 old Lloyd Kaufman Troma flick. Pretty much a superhero satire. (James Gunn actually got his start with Kaufman/Troma) It's decent for what it is, if you like Roger Corman type crap flicks. I'd recommend it to dedicated film nerds, but no one else.
I am glad you two men discussed a classic, German horror film that is Nosferatu. Nosferatu was an inspiration and today, it is. It's a silent film that revolutionized the cinema when it comes to film-making and quality. You can say about A Trip to the Moon, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and Metropolis all you want, but Nosferatu, in my view, is and was a game-changer.
Rip RARBG, that place got me all the classics in 1080p and a TON of them in 4k. Thanks to all the people that put together 4k77 and the sequels in their proper og format.
It's so true. My mother was terrified of Jaws and Halloween when she was a teen. She showed those movies to me and my brother when we were pretty young and we just laughed our asses off. Times certainly change.
but why did it suck, thats whats so odd about it, its really bram stokers dracula, but instead of rule, it kind of sucked. but thats what the real story was like, apparently.
It doesn't mean anything. The purpose of an adaptation is to adapt something for another media, not just copy it. What's the point to watch a movie that is just a book but animated ?
It's all about execution. Yeah, DeNiro's version is closer to the book, and personally it's my favorite version, but Kenneth Branagh's performance as Victor Frankenstein can get annoying at times with his energetic over exposition. The film still also took a few liberties from book too.
Rob Zombie looks like a hardass but when he starts talking his voice and cadence come off as so charming and likable. Like this guy could have been my roommate
My favorite old horror movies are "Frankenstein (1931)","The Invinsable Man (1933)","The Bride Of Frankenstein (1935)" and "House On Haunted Hill (1959)".
Lugosi's the man, Karloffs the man but I've aways been a big fan of Lon Chaney Jr. The way he portrays this tragic character so well is intense it really makes it easy to sympathize with his character Lawrence Talbot!
Honestly the CGI sucks/ruining movies bit is ignorant hyperbole. It really depends on studio/production/execution. There are plenty of flicks with amazing CG that you wouldn't ever even know was CG unless it was pointed out. Subtle little things here and there, I'm not talking about big, spectacle type CG. That can go both ways, tbh.
@@theomen6134 I have that one too. TNT Network brought it by that time. It's not a bad movie though; I liked it because. the actor Ruther Bauer portrayed the role of Mr. Barlow. But it cannot be compared with the original.
It great that Joe is educating his kids with the classics, if/when they watch Salem's Lot they'll be able to make the connection with Nosferatu and see the influence.
The day will come when Rob Zombie gets to direct his version of Frankenstein, with Tyler Mane as the Monster, Sheri Moon as the Bride, Richard Brake as Dr. Petroious and Bill Mosley as Henry
