And he didn't answer anything substantial about what it could be what it is. My guess is that since even their faces become dark as they get older, this is camouflage. If others can see your eyes more clearly, they know your intent more clearly. In a brutal hierarchy, that's a disadvantage which outweighs the communication advantage. They also hunt more intelligent prey than average -- monkeys. While hunting monkeys, they're leaping through trees and if a monkey can discern the eyes, they'll know how the chimp will be moving. Also, the chasing chasing is flushing the monkey to the catcher. The monkeys would know where all the catchers are is if it can see where the chimp is darting its eyes. The dark sclera doesn't do much for eyes up close -- you can see where their eyes are aimed. But during a hunt, you wouldn't be able to discern where they were looking in a blur.
Well I had a dream and the dream within the dream was noteworthy but let’s start with the dream within that dream within the dream it was quite the dream
Where you from? Who's your president? Do you use toilet paper? Sleep laying down? Eat food? Breath air? Speak English?Brush your teeth? Just the tip of the commonality.
@@Flint-Dibble-the-Don Just the tip? Huh from the brash remark you voluntarily left I am going to go out on a whim here, and guess kind sir. You got far more than just a tip I'm going to go on and place a bet that you feel a type of way for any common traits, notions, or shared enjoyable hobbies (i.e birdwatching, floral arrangements, bird house building, sewing floral dress shirts, sky diving, face planking, throwing frisbee, or possibly juggling). However your displeasure brought me no pleasure and I hope you have better day today than before and might possibly find a smile and give face planking a try, its my favorite. If you turn out to enjoy it as well then we too have a foundation of common activities. 👍🏻🕡🔙🔛🔝
It’s a lot to be said about George of the Jungle being able to communicate with Chimpanzees and Apes even whilst they wore funky Sunglasses, truly a remarkable feat in cross-species social engagement
My guess for the white sclera variation is multiple advantages. When Pincer sees a threat, it's easier for the other chimps to LOOK where he is looking and identify the threat faster. Chimps are hunters as well, and if Pincer spotted prey, it would be easier for fellow chimps to follow his gaze...and identify prey faster. A white eyed chimp in a group who is older and experienced would be an asset to the group if he/she was great at spotting prey or threats. WHITE stands out so chimps further away from Pincer could still follow his gaze easier.
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The first time I watched a documentary on chimps, there was one that stood out, just like Pincer. He spent a lot of his time away from the rest of the group, and I remember wondering….what is going on in that brain of his? What is he thinking? Just like Kevin said, I expected him to randomly turn to the camera and say “it’s a beautiful day today, isn’t it?”
Its crazy how we try to humanize them further by just 1 color change. Imagine how the people on the old time reacted to stuff like this. Mamy myths could just be some poor variant or mutation of evolution. And we human went all sword on them in the name of the lord or whatever excuse we had as a trend back then
This was my big takeaway from watching the documentary as well. You'll notice some other chimps don't have white sclera, but they do have some color differentiation between pupil and sclera, while other chimps have almost no color differentiation. I strongly believe this has a significant role in their ability to communicate and cooperate at scale.
The scientists said Pincer sired at least 9 sons. And that his genes were everywhere throughout the community. The ladies liked his eyes. Evolution is not that complicated.
@kevinreed3647 Yes and no in a sense no one says I'm British we say I'm welsh, English, Scottish or Irish only people outside of these countries call us brits or when we're referring too all of these countries we say brits. Mexicans are also American aswell same as Canadians
I'm English and agree that I have a British accent, but more specifically, it's English, and it could be more specific than that. Though clearly, this guy hasn't heard a Brummie accent.
@@julianrogers8608 I was being a little facetious haha but to the common American anything other than “American” is all British to us. That’s why when you hear one of us try to mimic the accent it usually comes out sounding like a mix of English/Australian/Kiwi lol
The likely reason Pincer's offspring do not display the trait is that it is recessive mutation (loss of melanin production in the sclera) which is only expressed when homozygous.
I like the way you’re thinking about it there’s probably some truth it being a recessive trait. Maybe but when get further into genetics it’s also possible that the white eyed trait is more complicated than a trait forward Mendelian cross.
@@evansugrue1179 Yes, the degree of pigmentation could be determined by the interactions of several genes but a situation can still occur in which the expression of those genes isn't apparent due a mutation in a gene that is epistatic to them. Such is the case for the gene that bears the albinism recessive allele. When homozygous, the more complex phenotype of the downstream genes is hidden.
You’re onto something I remember seeing the eyes and just thinking they are very conscious as if they know that they are bugs and humans are human its weird I can’t explain
Haha as someone who does that myself I love it, but I know a lot of other people prefer brief, to the point answers. I guess it’s a matter of taste and style as to what you prefer
“…there was already something in his gaze beyond the capacity of any ape. In those dark, deep-set eyes was a dawning awareness-the first intimations of an intelligence that could not possibly fulfill itself for ages yet, and might soon be extinguished forever.” Arthur C. Clarke :)
The white sclera does appear to give a more "inteligent" gaze compared to the entirely dark colored eyed apes. Moreover, my first thought was white scleras could be a negative. Whites scleras reveal where your looking more clearly and at farther distances, what your focused on, what your interest are at the moment, your emotional state, which provides data to friends and foes. Its always better to know more about those around you than vice versa. Where dark eyes are more like sunglasses, they provide a level of concealment. Perhaps its a double edged sword, more revealing and easier communication. Perhaps few apes could adapt to excell with this mutation. Mabye Pincer is as inteligent as he looks. Mabye Pincer is extraordinarily special because he is eceptionally intelligent and has the mutaion.
If eye contact is seen as a challenge in their group it could be an advantage to have all black eyes because chimps can get violent at the drop of a dime and no one is born the biggest and the baddest.
so the genetic variation then is having the black eyes, not the white ones... for the reason you mentioned... if they know where or how you are looking, it might cause turmoil... so evolution eventually obfuscates where you look, resulting in lasting survival/better adaptability to given environment...
Second time I've listened to this man on Joe rogan. And again I've noticed, he says sooo much but passes no useful information. Its just word salad. There is no point passed.
I disagree with this and the other comments regarding this, personally I find it to be very interesting, just listing to his stories and observations about chimps.
There is also a story on RU-vid about a woman that used to visit this gorilla for years, she would stare into his eyes thinking she had some connection, well, that gorilla got lose and looked for that woman and the rest is history, look it up.
That’s brilliant of this guy to notice this feature and put serious thought into it. That genetic feature could be a huge key into how we evolved and became more intelligent ourselves. So cool to think about
Anyone else interested in hearing Pinter have a conversation about this guy and his "ghost white eyes that are almost like ours" with the other chimps? What is it like when the chimps realize "oh shit, this weird hairless monkey is almost like us!"
To chimps, we are Aliens not the monkeys. Chimps eat monkeys. Dolphins think we are Aliens from the Unidentified Floating Objects. Or, they think we are angels and demons in one sect of their dolphin religion. We live, and are from the source of their oxygen, life itself. Thanks for the fish!
@@nate2933 i think the fact that he can move his eyes makes him think he has attained mastery in the field of eye movement, also a real expert in eye movement would probably state their field of expertise and career, such as an expert in reading eye movement in order to detect people lying or an expert in reading eye movement to diagnose cognitive disorders, just saying expert in eye movement really doesnt mean anything, maybe he is just better at literally moving his eyes than the majority of people
Not entirely on topic, but this is bugging me and I can't find an answer on the internet. Is James Reed from Wales? Am I the only one who can hear a slight Welsh accent on some words? Very subtle, could be a county on the border maybe, but if anyone knows where he's from it would help put me mind at ease, thanks!
Very interesting. Instantly flags up ideas about increased focused attention to me, an increased sense of self awareness as well as more fine tuned communication with eye movements that now become more noticeable due to whites. Eyes are the brain after all, they protrude directly from the brain.
JBP also talks about the white of human eyes compared to other primates. I how this is fresh take from filmmaker’s perspective and it offers need info I didn’t know about chimpanzee eye
Fascinating. But I think it's worth discussing how much we are anthropomorphising him as well For example, he discusses heavily how much this trait is affecting the way the humans perceive Pincer, but only a cursory mention of how it's affecting the chimps he interacts with I suspect it is having an affect, but we should be honest in admitting that this is a KEY "human" trait this chimp has developed, and so clearly the ones most likely to be in tune to such a difference would be us humans who have deep evolutionary connections to this particular phenomena
In my opinion the main way we would notice how this affected other chimps would be if the white eyed chimp wasn't a decent member of the group. It either seemed like there was no affect or this chimp was living with an unseen positive affect because he was doing his part. Helping the cause and the survival of his group. If he was repeatedly aggressive or doing something considered bad while being documented, like staring at the leader or showing his teeth. it would be immediately noticeable for the chimps. They have the ability to take account for multiple attacks, great sight, and incredibly fast reaction for those types of things. Of course this would happen with any chimp that did it but he would be highlighted if it was continually done.
Im sure i seen a great Doc years ago and the researchers actually thought that tthe eye change in a chimp in a community allows him to have a job as look out ,being able to give the others a silent and direct position of direction of an attack when on a hunt ,or when they are being attacked.
@@jonhall2274 Evolutionary steps sure, but what about leaps? Especially in such close genetic relation to us. I'm fairly certain these questions have not been answered nor observed in the wild as of yet. There are some pretty large gaps in what we understand of our evolutionary chain (which seems to indicate multiple leaps at certain points) at least as far as I am aware... and it sure would be interesting and incredible really - to see modern day chimps take a leap at some point, even more exciting if there is a documentary there to capture it.
I read an article a few years back where the researchers suggested this evolved from spending time with humans, if I remember correctly. Probably better communication with humans led to higher survival rate.
@@pyne13 Sure but they are mammals, and some of them are extremely intelligent and have clearly evolved alongside and with humans, and of course bred for certain traits over time but this only was possible due to their cooperation with humans in the first place.
Here’s a Joe Rogan type question, has there ever been any documentation of chimps picking mushrooms or any psychedelics and ate them on purpose or by accident? And if so, what were the effects?
My guess would be it’s some form of evolutionary trait that allows other chimps to see where they’re looking without having to make noise on hunt for example.
"Are the other chimps reading anything from that?" Of course they are. Have you ever pointed with your eyes to a dog? They react. And if a dog can react to your pointing with your eyes, of coarse a chimp, a higher life form, will similarly react. The question should have been, "Is this chimp USING it's ability to point with his eyes with other chimps?" When the other chimps start reacting, that will be the beginning of The Planet of the Apes.
I watched the doc series and I’ve got to be honest I wasn’t that impressed. I probably would’ve been hyped if Joe Rogan narrated and he started making those ape sounds when they were about to fight.
Chimps are just evolving we humans we ape like once but we evolved. Could u tell difference who holding mic Joe Rogan or a chimp the difference would be chimp smoking a cigarette drinking a beer easy going just having a conversation with a banana asking should I eat or not. Joe on mic talking about Rogaine and why it's too late just joking folks 😅 lol.
