Travis Rose Well if you pour your soul into something that resonates with millions of people, than of course you want to get what you earned. Just cause you have no talents that anyone gives a shit about doesn’t mean you have to be bitter 🤷🏻♂️
Because most rock stars that Joe interviews are well into their age where actual record sales made them rich, and even now they're still collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from streams. It's the newer indie bands that are getting screwed over the most
@Fishheadmandible They probably would if it's a 360 deal. Which is what a lot of them do now. Basically, we'll help you a little bit, but we'll take basically everything, see your payment is popularity and fame. This is legitimately how they see it. Exposure is your payment.
@@gallectee6032 There’s no touring though. So artists have to be almost 100% reliant on merchandise sales right now. Why be a musician when you could just start a T-shirt company and not have to give a major label 65c on the dollar?
@@HeardItOnTheX Because who's gonna buy your shirt unless you're a musician? That's why record labels can keep screwing people because they know they can (in most cases) gate keep people from the masses & in-turn money.
What nobody ever talks about is how much of the streaming revenue is the LABEL keeping. You don't hear small indie artists complaining about how much streaming doesn't pay.
7:06 as a north dakotan, this is false, we have a town tower for connection. schedule an appointment and you can climb to the top and have connection for a couple minutes to download things and watch things, I'm about 100 feet in the air right now watching this video and I'm offended
@@justinprovonche8031 I gave someone my snowmobile to have his share of internet for a couple months, going to sell off the internet time for a new sled
I think he just meant from a financial perspective. Pay a small monthly/yearly fee for almost ALL music ever made or pay that same monthly fee amount for a single album at a time. I still buy CDs of bands that I really love and want to support. Having the physical media is really nice sometimes. The best part of owning physical media is that a company can't remove the cd from your possession the way they sometimes remove songs/albums from streaming sites.
Yeah fuck that, i love cds. And besides, my car only plays cds so unless i want to listen to the radio (and 80 percent of the time i dont) i listen to my cds.
morpheus kazaa and limewire are the only three i used in that order hahaha gawd that shit was awesome. everyone never mentions morpheus cuz it’s so unknown. it’s cool to see someone cool who knows about that one
Copyright is completely broken and getting worse and more corrupt as time goes on. It needs to be addressed but the the giant media companies who really benefit from how they've engineered it are going to put up a terrible shit-fit over attempts to reform it.
@IAF MB how are they abusing the copyright system to screw the artist over? What artists? What was in the contract the artist signed? Are you guessing?
The Mayor that’s really not saying much though, who the hell is buying CDs? Boomers that still have a 12 disc changer in the trunk of the 1995 Mercedes SL500? lol
@@noahziegler3478 People who like the artists they listen, audiophiles who care about music quality, basically just people who give a shit about music.
@@navmanshack1579 It's not about convenience. It's about discovering artists who he then might see in concert, buy merch, buy their record on vinyl. In the pre Spotify world, he wouldn't have purchased these artists CDs because he wouldn't know they existed.
Spotify is has its flaws but it has made music more accessible to consumers for cheap (at least where I'm from). We haven't illegally downloaded our music since.
I agree, I used to feel guilty when I was younger for all the music I used to steal lol, I knew it was wrong but after I had a big CD collection stolen I justified it to myself. I use spotify more than any other service at this point despite its flaws, and I've found a lot of smaller artists because of it.
@@Rick.Gonzalez The record companies fuck over the artists. Didn't Everlast say he made bank on Spotify since he owned his masters? The alternative is pulling everything from streaming services but that will just lead people back to illegaly downloading music instead. The best option would be for the artists to stand up against the record companies rather than the streaming services and ask them "Where the hell is my money".
I love the art as well, but there are enough things I do to fk up the planet, so I've given up buying hard copies of digital media. If they switch to all bioplastics and renewable paper sources I'm more than happy to go back. Everyone has choices to make, but why not make the easy changes where you can?
@@Prototyp3m1nd i read an enviromental study earlier this year that estimated that CDs and streaming services have the same enviromental impact. Spotify and other services have such a high and constant power usage and ofc they have to build and maintain giant server farms that are not good for the enviroment.
Even though I don't buy CD's anymore, I agree. There was something special about buying the physical copy, taking it home, put it in the player and sit down to look at the artwork and notes and read the lyrics as the song was playing. It was much more personal and I like that it required an effort on the part of the listener.
When you've grown up making tape recordings of songs you've heard on the radio, and copying tapes, making your own mix tapes, etc... once MP3's came along it just felt like the same thing only easier.
@Masster Gunnz Bro no one thinks Joe Rogan is regular joe, he is a normal dude thats smart and built his buisness to what it is right now. He was sick of youtube as we all are and getting demonitized and this way he will probably get more freedom and a 100 mil dollars and someone will finally put some fear into YT and their shit.
Faisal Khan no we dont. Im just happy the dude got his money. He deserves it, he changed the game, he seems like a good dude and im glad its him and not someone else. Someone would get the money one way or another.
I'd argue that it's both. Sure Spotify is convenient, but the fact is is it screws over musicians, particularly less famous ones. Record labels have been screwing musicians over since time immemorial so that's no surprise.
I stream The Black Keys every. single. day. Thank you for Spotify for the FACT I listen to these guys. I would PAY The Black Keys right now!! But how? I buy their Tickets when they play in Cleveland. 330
@@md-nv4rg The record label they're with would probably still get most of the proceeds if you buy the physical record. Seeing them live is the way to go. You support them and get get a good time out of it!
I'm 25 and i have 1400 songs on my phone. 95% of it is from CD's. The case, the artwork, the booklet, the look of the CD. Some artist put a lot of work into this piece AND I own it forever. Internet fall. I still have my music.
Mikhael Ethier yup brother I am with you on that. My phone is full too but I don’t get the artwork and e-book anymore. I am 50 and after finally getting all my music on CD (it was all cassette when was in college) I just can’t see buying the digital copy. I just rip in to my phone from iTunes. Also iTunes has a killer streaming service that is a flat $10 / month and I can download all the stuff I want.
Raytheon Orion I wish I could say I have my collection on vinyl but I only buy the album that really blow my mind. At 50 I have so many CDs and records (although mostly CDs). My sons are just getting to that age that they are starting to appreciate music so that is really my ultimate job to steer and educate and get to relive some of my youth chaperoning them at concerts.
Theres definitely a benefit to having physical copies of things. Like cd's, books and photos. Its really a shame photos have went away. No one is ever gonna keep their phone -photo collections 30-40 years from now. And even so, its just different. Scrolling thru 1,000 photos on a phone one at a time isnt the same as having a photo album full of real pictures u can look at and have forever
You only have to listen to a song for 30 seconds for the artists to get paid on Spotify. That's why rappers nowadays only make 2 minute songs as oppose to rappers in the 90's having 3 verses.
Nah, they don’t think about government solving or creating problem. They think about sitting in a car and lip sync to some shitty mumble rap while making a snap video. And it’s all shallow shit.
mIRC channels for l33t individuals. SoulSeek. So many peer-to-peer platforms came after napster. I don't do that anymore. Once you understand what it means to work for something and get screwed afterwards, you tend to have respect for the artist and you pay for their services. However, streaming services do keep many potential pirates at bay.
They weren't talking about going 'pop.' They were talking about music they had already produced being shopped to top 40 radio, not any sort of altering of their sound, or the kind of music they'd play. I think Joe's right on this one but I understand the paranoia of the guys. But as long as they stay true to the kind of music they want to make, they'll be fine in the eyes of people who really love their music.
Streaming and iTunes and such may be bad for popular music, but they’re amazing for classical music, because there isn’t this whole industry around it with executives and account managers and promoters. The original gramophone hurt classical music and helped popular music, because up to that point, all music was experienced live. Now it’s ironic that new music technologies may be reversing this trend of the last 100-150 years.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 Even up to the 1990's and 2000's. Metallica put on a free show in the parking lot of the Spectrum (aka the Wells Fargo Center, aka the Wachovia Center, aka the CoreStates Center etc etc) in Philly back in '97. U2 did one back in 1998 in Belfast, NI. Pearl Jam's "Drop In The Park" concert from Seattle in '92 was free (I think several more have been played since then). Michael Jackson held one in Brunei on the 1996 HIStory Tour (known as the "Royal Concert"). Van Halen in Dallas, TX, along with the "Monsters Of Rock" festival in Moscow featuring AC/DC, Pantera, Metallica, Motley Crue, The Black Crowes, both in 1991. Etc. etc. Then of course you had Live 8 in 2005; the Rolling Stones played Rio in 2006; I know Aerosmith did one a few years ago in Boston, but before I go any further, I'm sure you've all noticed a pattern here: these bands/artists that have been listed are all basically small multi-million dollar corporations/empires. I guess the point is that if you can play a free show, it means you can afford to. Especially after having one, if not several, RIAA certified records under your belt.
I got to disagree with him on being an idiot to buy a physical CD. A physical copy is tangible. I can sell it or let a friend borrow it and I actually OWN it. You do not actually OWN the digital copies you buy through iTunes or Google. Not too long ago people were finding movies they bought on iTunes were deleted from their library when Apple stopped hosting the movies on their platform.
Buying the cd/vinyl/cassette of you favourite music is the best carbon capture technology we have. Streaming and downloading are unsustainable.theconversation.com/music-streaming-has-a-far-worse-carbon-footprint-than-the-heyday-of-records-and-cds-new-findings-114944
Edwin Ortiz but it’s not the same sound quality unless HD and there is very few (in the scheme of things) HD digital files. The average CD sound quality is superior to the average download
@@husq2100 not true i can write hd quality cd. Drm is one reason streaming services want to have ownership not you. The i tunes thing is very real early warning sign of things coming. All digital media means you own nothing unless its a pirate copy.
Did everyone forget about Bandcamp ? It's one of the fairest platforms out there and it's artist driven. Buy digital or vinyl/CD/Tape. Get digital access on all purchases added to your account. Profit split DIRECTLY to the artists / labels and you aren't trapped in the bullshit streaming platforms net that sends all it's money to shareholders while labels and publishers make sure Big Name artists get paid fuck tons while small artists, like the guy said, get stiffed with a few hundred $ a year for thousands of plays which SHOULD be thousands of PURCHASES. Music industry hasn't changed that much outside of digital streaming... Major labels still fuck everyone over until you make it BIG and control every other traditional delivery services like cable music channels and radio and award shows where exposure is needed to expand your fanbase. Plus now record labels want / take a cut of your touring merch and ticket sales. Major labels haven't broken a new style of music or the artists that make it since the late 80's.
thought I was the only person who uses bandcamp, but be quiet don't tell anyone else about it currently the only platform besides soundcloud that youtube and facebook algorithm doesn't pick up copyright. Basically if everyone starts using bandcamp the copyright would ruin that too eventually. As a dancer it's our job to dance to copyrighted music and we can't even upload videos with music in the background because of copyright bs so finding music that isn't copyrighted or findind other ways around copyright is the only option we have. Copyright will put dancers out of business soon even though it should be fair use under creative commons law that allows a dancer to use the music for fair use.
We need to keep buying physical media copies like cds and blu-ray. When you buy a song or record online, that purchase can dissappear. It's not permanent. If you love it, get the disc
@@liltree8382 you are missing his point. He didnt express what he meant very well, but when you buy physical copies, your support for the artist's you enjoy a little bit more
Hit the gym, load up on 15+ years of testosterone injections, kill every other major organ in your body for a false sense of feeling youthful. Die in 10 years.....profit?
@@lucrative6477 well, is that what working out seems like to you? Have you ever tried it? You really sound like an entitled little piece of shit trying to use projection as a device to justify your own mediocrity. Cheers mate!
As someone who’s in a few bands and that also makes my own music it’s just something you’ve got to accept. Piracy/Streaming definitely hit the music industry hard when it started but at this point any artistic endeavour is tricky to make much money from due to the internet. (Obvs the internet helps small fry’s promote cheaply/independently) From a couple of thousand streams you make nothing worthy of mention. However, as other people have said. If you want to support the artist, going to a gig and buying some merch is the only way anyone (that isn’t huge) is making real money. Another point: Aside from t-shirts etc. people still like something physical to hold. So although big artists and labels aren’t making much off CD’s anymore, my experience has been that CD’s/Vinyl are a valid way to make money (within the context of merch at a gig).
There is a huge difference between vinyl not being pressed up because of the small profit margins involved in selling fucking vinyl and burning CDs. I've not seen a CD being played in any of my friends car much less my own for years. There is market for CDs but it's small. It's dying out just like cassettes.
I want artists to have food and shelter for their family. That's why I never go angry if my favorite indie bands publish something just to have decent living.
@BeGood 2Me plus music has been part of the human culture for thousands of years. It has only become a strictly monetized business in the last hundred years. Maybe it shouldn't be.
Music industry deserved what they got! How can you justify a $30 music CD when I can buy a movie for $20 that cost 100 million to make. You ripped us off for years and that’s what you earned... just like block buster!
Everyone feels this way. People just get mad when bands change their music in an obvious way to achieve more mainstream success in order to achieve those financial goals.
@@DuskDismantled1 Only problem with artists who "make it", is that for a lot of them, it makes them lose their drive. Often an artist needs the struggle, something that will push them to be creative and create their art. The part that makes you go "I'll show them", but that's also what makes for a good comeback :)
There was a dude on that flip or flop show who also had a lump on his neck spotted on TV by a nurse and it turned out to be cancer, get checked Joe! www.today.com/news/how-hgtv-star-tarek-el-moussas-cancer-spotted-fan-changed-t58226
"some artists say: once you reach a crowd of 500 people, there will be assholes in the crowd! I know that's bullshit, because I played for 20 people and there already were like 10 assholes!"
CD's are still the highest quality music you can buy actually in 2021. When you stream/download music from online it is compressed into lower quality mp4 format. With studio surround sound speakers you can really tell the difference with certain genres of music.
@@teehee186 oh yeah. I'm a DJ-a straight up CD or WAV file or something hits a big PA system or a good set of monitors a lot better than even a 320kbps mp3 file. Not a huge difference, but on big ass speakers cranked up to maximum volume you definitely notice.
if you want to support those bands, then go to their shows, buy their merch. There are only a few things that the labels didn't get their paws in (and it changes every year).
When the technology is there people are going to use it. Music is no longer confined to a physical format. That's why I gave up my music career. I would not handle getting screwed like the musicians today are getting screwed.
For the last 5 years I've been working on developing an solution for independent artists via a platform I'm building called Musicpher. After all this time I can def tell you that unfortunately successful musicians are the least able to understand the actual economics and advantages of the streaming model, because they have been kept in the dark by all the middle man (or women) that exists between them and their royalties. I know for a fact now, and based on actual data collected all this time from Independent unknown local artists that the streaming model could be super profitable when killing the sharks in the middle. And I'm assuming that the DSPs (Spotify and the rest) have no choice but to keep the silence or lose the major artists controlled by the labels.
Love joe, but he doesn’t seem to understand the whole sell out phenomenon with “alternative” types of music. As an indie band you might maintain a loyal fan base that sticks with you regardless of pop trends, but if you go mainstream you may have great success for a while until that fad / pop genre ends, meanwhile your loyal fan base has abandoned you for being a “sell out” and the mainstream fans have moved on to the next big thing.
That’s evidently what’s happening to hip hop Rn and that’s so sad to see it’s such an amazing n unique genre that I hope sum sort of movement comes and pushes it farther than what it is now It’s too much pop rap artist coming out and jus really making it seem like the new unauthentic pop in a way
I think they’re a bit in denial though. Like the black keys blew up and received pretty widespread play. Gold on true ceiling, tighten up etc. are well known songs even to pop listeners. I’m sure their concerts draw pretty mixed crowd with people who are just there cause they recognize the name and a couple of songs and then genuine fans. I guess it obviously hasn’t ruined it for them but they’re not hidden whatsoever
Maximum Effort ramones wrote some of the poppiest punk that’s ever been written, and covered the poppiest songs ever written, and then went onto SELLOUT every show they played. but the leather jackets and long hair were pretty edgy for the time so it was all good.
He's right, streaming hurt iTunes sales so they created Apple Music to keep up. Netflix and Hulu hurt iTunes video purchases so they just created TV Plus, just what happens with tech advancements.
Should listen to The Arcs, another project Dan did when they took a break for black keys. also no need to place expectations on the creators just enjoy their work for what it is. but these guys have been in the game for a while now so
I'd like to thank Kazaa Lite, DC++ and especially Soulseek for allowing me to grow up discovering music without limits (other than sound quality, of course). Piracy is the only reason why I know about so many artists and buy lots of CDs/LPs now, as an adult, when I actually have money to do so.
Call me stuck in the 90's but I still love CDs. Also been a Black Keys fan since seeing them live in 2008 at Minnesota State Fair. They opened for The Black Crowes. Never heard of them before that.
Purple Hearts don’t listen to that buzzkill he will most likely settle and is already in 100k+ debt. Why not try to be even more successful than them? You can do anything fam as long as u got a working brain. Keep ya head up king
6:50 Unless you like the physicality of CD's. I think there's something more satisfying about having something tangible. It helps you appreciate your collection and the work that went into the music and artwork, etc. But this is coming from a guy that doesn't listen to a ton of bands. I suppose if your goal is to constantly look for new things to listen to CD's could be overwhelming.
These guys are on point! Napster decimated the industry....Apple resurrected it with iTunes and paid downloads where independent artists could keep 70 percent of their own releases....streaming took everything a monumental step back.
Wow this guy figured out how it works the hard way, much love to him for explaining the traps in this business. I'd like to know if this same thing is going on with the spinnup company distributing your music to streaming sites.
I buy vinyl again for this reason. And most vinyls come with a "free" digital download of the album. So, you still support the artists and get a bad ass vinyl. Nothing will EVER replace the sound of vinyl. I run a headshop and we were playing these fellas before they were ever on a radio or tv. Joe, their sound has definitely changed. But, it is fine to evolve and not have the same exact sound every time. Hell, that's why I hate Coldplay. BUT, these bands need to remember there was a reason their original fans fell in love w their music to begin with. He's right, there is a fine line and being in a Walgreen's radio station when I just seen them on tour in a small venue for this many years in a row, it does something to real fans. At least he's honest.
Great conversation and super interesting. Thing that trips me out Joe and crew, all the bottled water. You have a seriously rad studio, water delivery is cheap why not have glasses and mugs with yer logo on em or Onnit or show sponsors. I'm sure it means something to you? Keep up the good fuckin work, daily listener and watcher.
CD's are still a great medium, especially if we are talking about small labels and independent artists. 44k16bit file is quite good, and pretty much the closest to what the artist and mix/mastering engineers intended to be heard. Also the artwork and packaging is a great size. Vinyl is cool if the music was tracked to tape. Most music since the 90s was not.
If I remember correctly a modern high res digital recording(in the studio) converted into vinyl is more accurate compared to pre 90s vinyls. But honestly that doesn't even matter. Vinyl for fans in my opinion is superior simply because the packages hold more bang for buck in terms of cover images and other art.
I played drums in a swamp metal band, we uploaded our stuff on Spotify. We didn't get tons of streams but, never saw a royalty check. I had friends that bought our CD. We didn't go far with lots of streams like I said but to me, the whole process gets confusing when it comes to publishing. So much paperwork to be an independant band. I wish we'd known who to contact for a tour, we were definitively ready. I was finding that there was no readily available blueprint to get ourselves out there. The more you know...
If only there was an automated way for Spotify computers and servers to track "This guy who pays 15 bucks a month listened to these specific artists this month, break up what is left of his payment after our cut, and distribute it to the artists he listened to based on how many plays of each artist he listened to, down to the minimum royalty disbursement of what they are currently getting anyway." It would solve this problem completely. Artists would at least be somewhat getting what is due to them. Hell, if Spotify said "We have a Supporter Membership Tier, where every play yields 2 or 3 cents to the artist, but it will cost you 20 or 25 bucks a month." I would GLADLY pay for that. Include little bonuses to those who pay for the elevated memberships like limited time early listening for yet-to-be-released material, a higher audio quality, a feature that lets you save EQ presets in the streaming app, etc. There are countless ways streaming services can enrich the benefits to the artists, yet they dont fucking do it.
Thats pretty much how youtube premium works. They track your views, split it into minutes viewed and divides your premium dollars to those channels you viewed, based upon minutes viewed per month. Wish this was how the streaming services worked... The problem is that streaming services pay the record companies and they (as has always been the case) shaft the artist. Fuck the record companies!
@@wiseodd thats why you dont work with a record company! Its way way harder and takes longer and requires way more work...but life is better when you own everything.
Nielsen Soundscan used to have a policy when counting sales. Independent stores would register as triple sold vs. every record sold in a chain store. Streaming services need to do this for independent artist royalty rates if anything that is not Top 40 is expected to survive and thrive.
Well actually, Jimm iovine of Interscope records as well as Dr Dre were very freaked out immediately from Napster, and shortly after that iTunes was born from Apple. And that was the first huge place to legally buy music.
I'm one of those weird (usually Gen Xers) who buys my MP3s. I don't like having to be "always connected" to listen to music. So I buy the MP3s (from Amazon or Bandcamp) and copy them from my PC to my MP3 player. That way if my connection craps out or the service yanks the song I can still jam out.
@@MetriKKarMa Yeah, but I don't want Silicon Valley knowing every time I take a shit. I leave my phone at home and check my messages when I get back. Just like with old landline phones up through 2003.
I totally get Patrick’s point about CDs and where the money is at in the industry, but I still think there will always be a market for physical media like CDs and vinyl. I grew up with vinyl, and then like most folks my age moved on to cassettes, CDs, iPod/MP3 and eventually steaming services. For me, there is just something with physical media that a stream or digital file can never fully replace. I guess the primary reason is that I want to own the music that means a lot to me. I take great pleasure in curating my music collection (mostly vinyl with some CDs), much like some folks collect books, comic books and art. I know I can technically “own” digital music that lives in cloud storage or on streaming services, but it just doesn’t feel the same to me. I love discovering albums that have a deep impact on me, and deciding which ones to purchase, take care of and store properly makes me feel more connected to each album. If someone comes to my house, they might look through my collection to see what kind of music I’m into, and I get a kick out of that. No one gives a crap about my online playlists, and pressing play on my phone doesn’t provide the tactile feel of taking a record carefully out of the sleeve, cueing it up and then sitting back and listening to at least one side of the album. I get how that’s not important to a lot of people. Not everyone is into curating collections or taking care of records. The other aspect that I think is missing from the streaming services and digital files is the creativity involved with the packaging for physical media. I have some beautiful gatefold albums that I treat like works of art. Being able to look at the front and back of the outer sleeve, the design of the inserts or inner sleeves in some cases, and even the label on the records themselves...are all part of the creative vision that band and record label worked on. Yes those same images can be included with a purely digital distribution, but it’s just not the same for me. I want art that physically exists in front of me, and isn’t just 0s and 1s. I still subscribe to multiple streaming services, and I stream music all the time for the sake of convenience or when searching for new music that might find its way into my physical collection, but I will never truly abandon physical media and move 100% over to streaming and digital files. By the way, I still buy DVDs of my favorite movies, too. Haha! Not trying to start a holy war here, as audio format comments typically do. I’m simply sharing my perspective. Cheers, music fans!
I think another solution to ADD onto what he said is to incentivize the buyer to buy the CD. People do bundles all the time but how about the actual packaging? Look at what Tool did. I immediately wanted a copy even though I was gonna stream it at midnight. It came with a digital download and holy fuck is the packaging insane! A screen with a speaker and a booklet. The art alone is insane all over it!
Remember that indie Radiohead release? Straight to the website, straight to the consumer. I feel like young artists aren't aware of how powerful they are. That dude who made The Room movie got on one of the most important billboards and people think they cant get that on their own. Even if you don't have thousands to spend on stuff that big you can still cater to that small town fan base. There are thousands of people who prefer to only support artists that are really about it and are out there hustling. There's so many little tricks artists are overlooking.
listen to 7:20 to 7:35 again you dimwits (not you breathe & squeeze - you get it) and you can tell Joe uses ‘just’ to mean simply. it’s not a time reference.
Honestly though, I think the 30-40 years in history where musicians were crazy rich off selling records was an anomaly and throughout most of human history musicians did it for the love of the art and not because they wanted to be millionaires. I think that the 1950s-1990s was a bubble that was bound to burst and people in 2019 are pipe dreamers for thinking that is how it would always be.
Music has become a utility more than ever now, it's just here to fill various roles in our lives party music, club music, study music etc. That mixed with how hard it is to get consistent income from music in this saturated climate (esp. if you're not a performer/don't make music fitting a live setting) puts a great limit on career viability even for the very talented. The music fans are probably losing the most in this equation.
I've always been someone who wants physical media and I've been downloading MP3's since they first existed in the 90's. I started with cassette tapes, moved onto CD's and recently I've moved over to vinyl. Vinyl lasts longer, for the most part they appreciate in value, and more and more people are starting to collect them, plus I can continue to support the bands I like.
Dancehall Neil Nah man lots of people like having something tangible to hold. Plus seeing some liner-notes and additional art is cool. Keep reppin physical!
Faceless ya its usually if im in a random record store and i see a used CD of an album i like for cheap, ill buy it cause i like to have that fold out artwork. i just think its neat.
I agree with Joe's definition of "sellout". The Black Keys are still playing more or less the same music they played when they started. Maybe a little more pop-rock, but because that's how they want their songs to come out, not because they want the money that comes from writing pop songs. Plus they still have the potential to play the sort of bare bones music they did originally. Compare all that with Green Day. American Idiot was good for what it was, but they never recovered from it. Even when they do their old songs they sound like sellouts. A real tragedy.
Nobody is going to buy your music without listening to it first and if you're like me you may need to hear the song 10 times before buying it...I want to know if the song can be re-listened to, if the song ages well with time, what the song sounds like, etc..all these things before I think about buying it. So in a way that's why we need spotify to listen to those songs before buying them. Most artists with the most view and sales they all have music on vevo on youtube and people can listen to their music without buying it first. Any artist that complains about spotify they are shooting themselves in the foot because people are more likely to buy your music if they can hear it first on spotify or somewhere else
The thing that most (older) people don’t get about streaming is that you’re paying for the option to download high-quality music from a massive library. That’s why they use that word when describing the database of songs because it’s literally like a library.
I can’t help but be attracted to the physical copy of an album, though. As a connoisseur, when I truly love an album, I love owning that very album and being able to hold it in my hands. When you think about how much goes into the artwork, production notes, and vinyl production, it just feels like such a more vibrant appreciation.
