@@dcgm78 thats not how "bigger" works.. mma fighters dont make more money than boxers coz the promotion gets the biggest chunk.. the biggest boxing ppv of 2020 Wilder vs Fury 2 made about 800k ppv, the ufc had 3 events from 800k to 1mill and 1 event 1.4 mill JUST in 2020.. the ufc holds the top 3 highest gates in New York and Vegas.. mma smoked boxing in every aspect in the last 5 years
@@dcgm78 homie Mike Tyson said it himself that RU-vidrs saved boxing, without them boxing would be almost down the drain and imagine they went to MMA then there would be no boxing
15 years later and boxing is nowhere near as big as ufc today. There are huge boxing fights that everyone tunes in to watch maybe twice a year where ufc has amazing ppv and fight night events almost monthly.
@@mylesteller yep, most casual boxing fans tune in 4-5 times a year. UFC has events every weekend 😂😂😂 and tuesdays on Dana white contenders series has tons of bangers
@@brandonrothsman2665facts. There’s a reason why if you watch any big boxing fight during the main card and prelims the arenas are empty right until the main event nobody wants to watch boring decisions when you watch ufc you get bangers every single. Are there boring fights? Sure I’d be lying if I said no but they have so many great fights that happen. Great example Cub Swanson vs Doo Ho Choi was a prelim main event I believe. It’s now in the UFC hall of fame. I went to my first event last year and was there start to finish and the whole crowd showed up by the first fight (UFC Columbus) literally such a great atmosphere.
This guy is right about one thing. MMA promotions other than the UFC are trash. They may have great fights, but they’re not as huge as the UFC. The UFC is the Google of MMA promotions. They are so big that casuals will refer to MMA as “UFC”
The average MMA fighter has amateur level boxing, but the average boxer has no takedown defence. It’s not about who will beat who at what, it just matters who will do better in their own sport.
TKO by leg kick after less than 10 calf or thigh kicks. Or just take them down because boxers can't defend takedowns. Both options are outside a boxer's effective range.
That’s the whole point ufc doesn’t limit fighters to one martial art many biz fighters incorporate many parts of boxing but like Joe said boxing is not everything in a real fight ufc is about who would win a real fight
@@mike-oi7sm you obviously don’t know about relatively lmao- The UFC is literally a mainstream league now you dumb fuck, Conor McGregor is a household name. Please tell me how the UFC is on a “massive decline” when they’re revenue is up over 1000% since this interview was filmed. People like you should have their fingers removed- just spewing ignorant retardation into the void.
What a great moment between Joe and Lou at the end. Went at each other for 5 mins each making great points and making some counters, still manage to end in a genuinely warm and friendly way.
@@user-lz2mt5nc9e look in the mirror. If you're going off body language boxing guy clearly wasn't "friendly" with Joe but okay, guess I can read better than you. Didn't say they weren't "friendly" but "warm and friendly" it was not.
@@mythiclegend947 "Warm and friendly" is relative. They ended off a lot warmer and friendlier than during their debate. You clearly thought it was pure sarcasm (which is defined as "use of irony to mock or convey contempt.") when Joe said he loved him and sent him a kiss, but it was clearly just a humorous and friendly gesture which you could easily see in Joe's eyes if you were not incapable of body language.
Not really....boxing hasn't exactly been swallowed up like Rogan predicted...I do love MMA but of the 10 biggest PPV events ever, 7 of them are boxing. When a UFC event gets more PPV buys than Mayweather/Pacquiao, I'd say yeah, Rogan was right.
@@ulaytube9953 I don't know... 2 weeks ago, during the Canelo-Kovalev event, MGM Grand literally stopped the event in order to play the Masvidal-Diaz event on the big screen. That was one of the biggest embarrassments the sport of boxing has ever taken. They waited until the Masvidal-Diaz fight was done, in order to start the main event.
The moment at 3:00 kills me everytime. Dude literally says you're not a fan and states that he doesn't know the exact thing that Joe said he did not even 5 seconds prior.
When it comes to debates, heckling, outwitting, and trolling other sportscasters, Joe is a trained fighter. He deals with hecklers and idiots for years because of stand up comedy. So easy to see how this guy never stood a chance.
@Kevin C something he was extremely passionate about wasn’t huge yet but growing and it was being attacked so he had to fight back. Now he can relax that it’s a huge sport
@@valdory Joshua is no one compared to Fury lmao. He has no balls to fight top guys and got rekted by Usyk twice then cried like a baby. Usky is like half of his size and he made him cry.
@@supernotnaturalThat doesn’t change the fact that Francis was literally humiliated by the “cry baby”, the only reason he had a chance against Fury it’s cuz Fury didn’t take the fight seriously and didn’t train at all, and now that he got finally a fight against someone who has indeed trained got his ass whopped, it wasn’t even a fight it was just ridiculous to watch Francis…
@@Marc62189funny how boxing fans always highlight that washed old ufc fighters who come to boxing lose yet all boxers are terrified and would never step foot inside of an octagon
@@FernandoGonzalez-tu8vn people don't know the difference between race and nationality. So many idiots on the internet. Also, back then most fans were white americans, you know why? because the UFC is an american company...
Its so very true what Joe says, boxing is a singular martial art and a very limited form of fighting. Plenty of fighters just tie up in the clinch constantly to avoid the action (makes the fights very boring to watch) which eliminates any threat to them and the referee has to physically seperate them in order for the fight to continue. Sure there are clinches in mma and even fighters who hold opponents against the cage for entire rounds, but they constantly have to worry about knees, elbows, takedowns, footsweeps, trips, strikes off the break etc.
Let's be honest here. Boxing is still more popular than UFC, and I think most people do think boxing is more athetically pleasing. Watching mike tyson punching the souls out of people, is more entertaining than people rolling on the ground.... yes jujutsu's technicality has its appeal, but so is boxing's technicality... but Tyson's knock out is still overall more entertaining for most people. Also there are still a lot more house-hold popular name in boxing than such names in UFC.
@@bohanxu6125 How often does a knockout like that happen though? and even when it does, its usually a big prospect against some bum they're set up to beat
@@bohanxu6125Mike Tyson fought in the 1980s, he was fighting as many as 6 times in a year. Nowadays you’re lucky to squeeze 2 fights annually out of a PPV star. Comparing the Tyson era to modern boxing is a fallacy. Modern boxing is nothing but paper thin fight cards, clinchfests, early stoppages, decisions, and bag chasers, and btw it’s **AESTHETICALLY** pleasing. not “athetically” which isn’t even a real word.
@@bohanxu6125I don't think so bud. Go up to any average person and ask them if they actually watch or care about boxing. There's not even any stars or notable names on boxing, it's all guys that were already big names like 10 years ago. There's no new exciting talent, except for the Paul brothers and THAT is a sad statement of affairs for boxing.
Joe definitely changed his stance on elbows. He amongst all MMA fans know elbows are awesome and crucial 💪 he was incorrect about boxing having no new celebrities but maybe he was just selling the UFC over boxing here
He's not wrong though, boxings biggest name right now is RU-vidr turned Amateur fighter Jake Paul, throw in a Tyson Fury and a Deontay Wilder and you've reached the limit of the household names boxing has produced since that interview, I've lost count of the amount of UFC household names we know since that interview so I'll just go Ronda Rousy, Amanda Nunez, Connor McGregor and Khabib but that doesn't even scratch the surface
@@rus778 Floyd was known at the time of the interview, since that interview there's only been a handful of boxers known outside of hardcore boxing enthusiast circles
@@DJones-uk3hg They only UFC household name is McGregor. Nobody who isn't a MMA fan would be able to name many, if any, others. Conor McGregor is also more famous for his big mouth rather than his actual fights. Nobody outside of MMA or combat sports fans knows who the fuck Khabib or Nunez are dude get real lmao.
@@FMoss-he1ke Lol yeah, PBC on Fox & Showtime, Top Rank and UK Warren cards on ESPN, Golden Boy and Matchroom on DAZN. "B..b..b...but HBO dropped boxing so it must be dead"
@@steviedub9370 Literally had a guy on JRE suggest he wants someone like Dana to buy boxing and make it more like UFC lol peter Berg i think it was Said hes pitched it to Dana tons. he gets a little nuts talking events on the same night double promotion ufc/boxing thats silly. but the idea of boxing just being organized like UFC if possible to achieve would be awesome
@@Rowsy91I saw that. He said “the floor would flip up and turn into a boxing ring from an octagon”. Interesting ideas, prob need for that to happen, as it is kinda dead atm.
@@anthonypaulboswell I thought he had a great idea till he took it that far lol I mean would be a cool ass event but cost so much and wouldn’t be realistic But just having a boxing league so buying up all the organizations and different belts and creating a PBL professional boxing league or pbc if championship is better Then have ppvs once. A month mixed cards could have Crawford fighting one month then next got Joshua and wilder as main event: fury usyk Would take a lot of doing and a LOT of money but it’s possible
Years later McGregor goes 10 rounds with Flpyd in his FIRST pro boxing fight. Mike Tyson even said how amaxing that was. Let's see a boxer cross over... will never happen. I respect Boxing but Joe was 100% spot on.
You do realise Ray Mercer at 48 years old knocked out Tim Sylvia (who was 6'8, in his early 30s, and a top 5 ranked HW who had been UFC HW champ 2 years earlier) in like 10 seconds in an MMA fight back in 2009 right? you also realise a bunch of successful MMA fighters started out as boxers, riiiight? Stipe even fought Bryant Jennings in the amateurs.
The_red_ barron and sure a boxer has power but don’t forget fighters take way more punishment in mma so they are alot tougher a boxer couldn’t do much even if you have a good boxer
@@the_red_barron1002 im more of a boxing fan then I am a ufc fan and even I think that statement is fucking retarded Most ufc guys are black belts and sub mission expert's and some animal mo fuckers, thats why you wouldn't see the likes of floyd get into a cage
Joe was right MMA is much bigger than boxing today even growing up not interested in martial arts i only knew mcregor and jon jones as fighters. From boxing i only knew Muhammed Ali and Mike tyson.
😂😂😂😂 canelo is literally all over Michelob Ultra ads all over the US. If the last boxing name you knew was Mike then you were never a boxing fan to begin with. Go outside.
@@sphinxanime6823 I think you were meaning to say MMA. Regardless, doesnt change the fact that 90% of the fanbase was white until relatively recent history. I know, I was there.
I remember being at the barbershop years ago and my barber talking about what Joe Rogan said. JR is correct it is much more exciting than boxing it just is. I doubt the sport of boxing disappears it will probably just be 2nd to MMA for the rest of time though.
@@30h5tillimdead never said that I just don't claim stupid shit ad being savage... I acknowledge actually savagery as someone who like kills ppl n shit not someone who says he's doesn't own shit? What lol like how is that savage... Joe himself has said way more savage shit
In MMA you have to worry about so many areas. 14 years later the heavyweights like Francis Ngonnou who started as a power puncher is wrestling now, the guys like Mark Hunt couldnt succeed in MMA because they didnt have grappling skills. You have to cover all checks to survive in MMA.
What do you mean 14 years later? this already applied back then. If anything HWs in the UFC are less well rounded now, the level of grappling has declined a lot.
@@ministryOFmuff back then only well rounded heavyweights were jiu jitsu fighters who could strike. Guys like Stipe who dont submit guys have worked on their submission defense. So jiu jitsu is almost finished at HW. Not talking about recent couple of years but in last decade many heavyweights were super well rounded.
"we messed up our sport on our own" -DiBella said the quiet part out loud. Things have been getting better and 2023 so far has been and is outlooked to be a great year for the sport. UFC on the other hand has been absolutely killing it and their consistency and rate at which they produce massive fights I believe is what made boxing promoters get off their ass and finally make the fights that the fans want to see happen. I'm looking forward to July 29, massive day for combat sports as a whole. ESJ vs. Crawford and UFC 291.
Crazy that a decade later both of them were right and wrong😂 Joe saying no new stars would rise in boxing: Ryan Garcia, tank, Canelo, Pac-Man etc. and Lou saying the ufc had a monopoly over the mma scene and now there’s a huge class action lawsuit against them for that specific reason
I mean those guys are famous but only to people who actually watch boxing you can know a guy like connor mcgregor and not even watch a single ufc highlight their famous to boxing fans lol
@I like Potatoes the context of argument is different lol XD but anyways if you wanna talk about money took close to 100 years for boxing to come to this stage
Markyz what is this notion that the older something is the more revenue will be had in said sport ? You do realaize the Canadian football league has been around since the 1900s and those dudes are barely making 60,000-150,000 (top players)grand a year , opposed to their nfl counter parts (a league that is younger) 15,000,000- 50,000,000
No he didnt... Of course Rogan has a point MMA fighter are more balanced (well not all)... but that didnt make them the best exponents in every aspect of the fight...
there is old money in boxing... boxing is also very political. It will soon be what joe rogan is saying. look at mcgregor vs diaz fights... everyone wanted too see it. now mcgregor and diaz have a bargaining chip to get paid more money. It will soon happen where UFC fighters are making big, big money!!!
maybe to a casual the ufc is the draw. with only like 4 months of really following it and being a fan I knew everyone on ufc 205 and saw all their previous fights. Connor is about to own stock too and that will make a fighters union possible with company benefits and everything. they should be paid way more and get rid of that stupid fucking rebok deal
@@hipdrive Yeah Mcgregor who hasnt fought in two and a half years and hasnt won in nearly four. If you compare actual active stars who can win fights at elite level we are talking Jones, Izzy, O'Malley, Volk, Colby, Usman etc vs Canelo, Fury, AJ, Spence, Crawford, Tank, Usyk etc.
So the announcement of a 43 year old whos been retired from serious competition for 5 years having a novetly boxing match is the "final nail in the coffin for boxing". What about when Ali fought a pro wrestler? what about when Larry Holmes came out of retirement to fight Butterbean? what about when Foreman fought 3 random guys in the same night? Btw as stupid as this Logan Paul shit is it'll probably do the biggest PPV numbers of the year in either sport.
Jake Punk needs to box a professional boxer his size or bigger AND WIN before he can start acting like he’s the greatest thing since I sliced bread. Cause right now he’s the worst thing since UNsliced bread.
This aged like wine. Joe called it 20+ years ago. Now look @ the UFC and boxing. No one cares about boxing lol, everyone knows who jon jones is, khabib, makachev, chimaev, burns, rampage jackson, ferguson, connor mcgreggor, adesanya etc. UFC is truly the ultimate fighting championship.
Meanwhile back in the real world the three biggest PPV numbers of 2023 so far are Tank/Garcia, Spence/Crawford and Canelo/Charlo, all boxing matches. The biggest attendance of the year is 50k+ for Canelo/Ryder while the biggest UFC attendance of the year is under 20k. PBC alone has done three $20+ million generating live gates this year while the UFC has done that once in its 30 year history, PBC on Fox gets the highest ratings of any combat sports promotion in any America, and Top Rank gets higher ratings the UFC with both of them being on the same network, and the UFC HW champion just walked out to go have a boxing match. Apparently no one cares about boxing though.... Lol @ your list btw. Khabib has been retired for 3 years. Conor hasnt fought since July 2021 and is 1-3 in MMA and 0-1 in boxing since 2017, Rampage Jackson what fucking year is this? Tony Ferguson is on a 6 fight losing streak, everyone knows who Gilbert Burns is apparently lmfao. How about Canelo, AJ, Fury, GGG, Spence, Crawford, Tank, Garcia, Loma, Usyk, Wilder?
@@kingkezz9188 I just gave you objective easily checkable factual information and your response is to repeat "no one cares". Break the UFC kool aid conditioning brother lol.
@@kingkezz9188"literally no one cares about boxing". Tell that to the 4 million people when Mayweather fought Pacquiao. I think both sports are phenomenal but boxing right now is more popular.
@@josevillalobos663 lmao I'm going to assume you're joking. Only 3 things have made waves in the world of boxing in the last 10 years. Those are: Deontay Wilder, the logan paul ksi match, and conor mcgregor boxing floyd mayweather. One of those is two vloggers boxing each other and the big one is a UFC fighter agreeing to box a scared floyd mayweather. Nobody hates boxing, its alright, but the rampant fixing, cheating, and guys ducking fights against an opponent they're afraid of has all made boxing a tired, played out sport that barely moves the needle. UFC is almost incomprehensibly successful because it's so ahead of the curve. It has some of the best athletes/ martial artists in the world competing in a fresh , multifaceted, dynamic, impressive real fight, and people absolutely love it. Its changing the sports world. Theres a reason why the Fertitta brothers bought the UFC in 2001 for 2 million dollars and then sold it 16 years later for 9 billion dollars. That is absolutely unprecedented. Boxing isn't even remotely close
dylan farnum The only fighter that came close to boxing money is mcgregor. And that was against a boxer. You have the canelos with 365 million dollar deals, the ggg’s 130 million dollar deal, the Ruiz’s, the joshuas with 80 million dollars in a fight. The Garcia’s, the wilders, the fury’s, the Spences, the Crawford, the pacquiao, the mayweathers, etc. And I can go on and on, all of them making double digit millions per fight! While mcgregor the biggest ufc star just got paid 3 million this past Saturday for his fight!!! So how you gonna tell me ufc is bigger? Which one haves more revenue? Revenue comes from popularity, views!
Years later and the ufc has turned into the peak of martial arts, no longer just brawlers, but skilled technical jui jujitsu, karate, taekwondo, kickboxers, etc.
Joe also is so educated about boxing too. He’s not even being cocky. This guy is hating on ufc and Rogan is keeping a level head. But he has tons of respect for great boxers.
The only thing thats hilarious is how ignorant UFC fanboys are. Half of them dont even know shit about their own sport (or that the sport isnt called "UFC") nevermind about how boxing is doing.
@@wresling300After this become McGregor and Khabib which one of them more popular than those guys in boxing even we add to them Ryan Garcia and Gervonta Davis, Tyson Fury. We don't compare women's where's Rousey and Nunes, Cyborg, Shevchenko. Only Holm represents both but most fame got in MMA scene. If we're talking about Jones, Adesanya, Makhachev, Chimaev, O'Malley they well more popular than their boxing counterparts
You really think Jones, Adesanya, Makhachev, Chimaev and O'Malley are more popular than Anthony Joshua, Canelo and Tyson Fury?? They are known worldwide, these mma guys are mostly known in the US.@@russelljones2281
@@ministryOFmuff without Fury, the Paul Brothers (hilarious), and MMA fighters coming over to it, it’s not doing great. No one really gives a shit other than the niche boxing die hards, who still can’t seem to understand the very obvious fact that MMA has outcompeted and overthrown boxing for a while now when it comes to fanbase size and viewership. Like I said, hilarious. even a sub-genre of boxing has now become more popular than boxing, that being Bare Knuckle, shits dead get over it.
He made an idiot of himself. Notice when he says there will be no new stars after the guys that were big then the names he mentions are Oscar De La Hoya, Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor. You know why? because Floyd and Manny blew up after the interview lmao. But sure, it aged so well.
@@ericgalvez7143 Yeah literally two of the biggest boxing stars ever. Who fought each other in the biggest drawing PPV fight of all time. Then after them Canelo, GGG, Loma, Joshua etc blew up too and MMA STILL hasnt swallowed boxing 11 years later. Aged so well! lol. Btw Rogan himself talks about boxing regularly on his podcast these days and recently had both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder on there. A few years back he even admitted that the UFC instructed him to say that stuff in this interview and he didnt even agree with it himself.
@@Alec-wm7tf White America is not the world. Also your "you hear about these names because you watch boxing" and "everyone forgets about boxing until the next fight" ALSO APPLIES TO MMA. The average person that doesnt follow MMA only knows Conor, and Conors biggest ever PPV buys (by far) and exposure came from a boxing match. Nobody really gives a shit about MMA when Conor isnt fighting, and hes had one MMA fight in the last two years. As for HBO, they folded because their competitors put them out of business and presumably because they wanted to focus on entertainment shows rather than sports. Floyd left them for Showtime in 2013, Top Rank left them for ESPN in 2017 and Canelo left them for DAZN not long before they decided they were quitting. MMA fans wanna gloat about it and make it seem like HBO cancelled because nobody is watching boxing anymore, when in reality boxing still pulls in slightly higher overall ratings - even HBO in its final year was doing comparable ratings to the UFC. Its kinda like how MMA fans are doing the whole "we got an ESPN deal" thing seemingly unaware that boxing is already on ESPN...
And its not working out very well at all so far. Putting PPV behind a subscription service paywall and not even making the buyrates public anymore. TV ratings the same or lower than they were on friggin Spike in like 2007. Getting on ESPN wasnt all it was cracked up to be.
@@navajo237 Your comment sounded like you got jumpy thats why i said what i said lol anywho I understand Conor likes money nothing wrong with that but Mayweather talked about getting into the octagon twice but he never did thats what IM talking about, im frustrated cause id love to see Mayweather challenge his skills in the octagon
@@navajo237 Conor got a tko because he gassed out correct me when im wrong but don't boxers usually wait until the later rounds in order to go all out? To try to gas the other one out?
@@satan4403 DiBella thought MMA wouldnt last which was obviously a stupid comment considering the UFC had already been going for almost 15 years at that point. While Rogan was genuinely dumb enough to think MMA was going to completely replace boxing within a few years (bear in mind this was a year or so before Floyd and Manny really blew up too). They were both complete morons that knew jack shit about each others sports.
@@satan4403 Assuming what? if you're gonna call people moron try not to sound like an idiot in the process. And if you thought Joe was "100% right", you are indeed an idiot for reasons I already explained.
@@ministryOFmuff Oh i didn't read all of your ignorance sorry. More younger people are interested in ufc and ufc is a actual fighting, boxing is just a limited sport of fighting. And i'd disagree, if you did some research you would know joe is a huge fan of boxing, follows it still to this day and knows a lot about it.
I love boxing so much! And I barely follow the UFC, what I can say is you really got to respect Dana White and McGregor + all the others who really carried the Ultimate fighting brand. I really hope that there is a big revival in the sport of boxing like Formula 1...speaking of which you can love F1 and also love Moto GP or Daytona 500 they are similar but also different and very entertaining in their own way
There is also part of mma that dont work in a streetfight like we could punch wrestler in the back of the head when they try to catch us, bite them when they do catch us or shits like that.
Yea that is a ridiculous thing to say when comparing the two. Show me 1 guy in the UFC who doesn't have good defence. He would get knocked out or taken down within seconds.
12 years later Mayweather is fighting RU-vidr Logan Paul. Mike Tyson and Roy Jones just had an exhibition match. Old legends of the sport the only guys who can bring in the boxing views. UFC still growing exponentially. Boxing slowly dying.
UFC fans have been saying boxing is dying for the past 20 years when their biggest star of all time had to come to boxing for he’s biggest paycheck. I love both sports but boxing will never die. I wish they stopped caring so much about going undefeated in boxing though, that’s what I like about the UFC.. but make no mistake when big boxing fights happen the world stops. They may happen less frequently than UFC fights but when they do happen it tends to be bigger, and that’ll never stop.
Fury/Wilder 2 did 1.2 million PPV buys in February btw. Also ive been an MMA fan for 20 years and this "MMA is growing" thing is so overplayed and inaccurate. MMA peaked in popularity in America around 10 years ago, it has grown somewhat internationally after that but its not anymore popular now globally than it was 5 years ago when Conor and Ronda were there. People dont seem to understand what growth means, nor what dying means.
@@KD-yb4xu You are correct and my original comment didn’t mean it would die at completely. There will always be a market for boxing and certain fights that bring in a big draw. The difference. I watch 30-40 UFC fights a month and an occasional boxing match every month or two.
@@ministryOFmuff UFC is running 20-30 fights weekly... There is always going to be that 1 big boxing match of the year that brings eyes. It isn’t replicated on a weekly or even monthly basis. I love the UFC, watch every weekend, but also tune in for those big annual boxing fights.
@@mchase4 UFC is not running 20-30 fights weekly. It runs around 40 events per year with 10-12 fights per card. why are you making things up? big fights arent replicated on a weekly basis in the UFC either. This weekend is the first proper big card UFC card since the Khabib one in late October. The biggest fights in the 7 weeks (and 6 cards) since then have been Felder/RDA, Glover/Santos, Hall/Silva and Figuereido/Perez. In the same time frame boxing had Spence/Garcia, Crawford/Brook, Joyce/Dubois, Tank/LSC and Tyson/RJJ. The UFCs schedule for the rest of the year has Saturdays big(ish) card and then one more decent card with Aldo and Wonderboy on it, meanwhile in boxing Canelo, AJ and GGG are all fighting this month. Basically, you're making things up and misrepresenting things.
@@Opomax I agree. It's basically inevitable to have someone in the UFC die at some point. MMA fighters in other promotions have died from damage caused by a fight and from complications caused by dangerous weight cutting methods.