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Johan Liebert V/S Patrick Jane | Full-Scale Comparison (All Possibilities) 

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Who Outsmarts ?
(Johan Liebert VS Patrick Jane)
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@TheRealNirox
@TheRealNirox Год назад
Bit correction.. NFS : can go either way IRL : Jane Mid diffs . . . Join our W server fr discord.gg/Edtucmeb
@grosubogdan1166
@grosubogdan1166 Год назад
i think nfs still goes to jp ,i understand that the cases itself are fs but he just gets too many points to even consider nfs going to johan ,and if seriously johan have not even close by feats to pj
@davidarvingumazon5024
@davidarvingumazon5024 Год назад
I still have bit issue with your video. It lacks each categories with diff. It felt like you didn't put effort into it, y'know. Sorry, I like editors that put diff for each categories. I'll rate it, 3/5.
@grosubogdan1166
@grosubogdan1166 Год назад
@@davidarvingumazon5024 there are not many who put diffs for every category ,thats pretty hard and indeed its not really very needed
@Nextkej
@Nextkej Год назад
NFS does not go either way it clearly goes to Johan stop meat riding jane
@slippy1743
@slippy1743 7 месяцев назад
What does nfs and fs mean. Explain
@justcallmee7546
@justcallmee7546 11 месяцев назад
Overall, Patrick mid diff.
@ikigai1799
@ikigai1799 Год назад
Overall EQ Johan (Very Close) İMO. I almost completely agree with everything else. W video and fax. (NFS is debatable) BOTH ARE GOATED
@itskatagitiyuiichi
@itskatagitiyuiichi Год назад
Ye NFS can go either way, I also agree with everything else , this is a W edit
@ikigai1799
@ikigai1799 Год назад
@@itskatagitiyuiichi Yeah, NFS could be either way, W opinion
@Nextkej
@Nextkej Год назад
@@itskatagitiyuiichiit could not go either way johan has shown far better nfs feats Lmao
@andydufresne6374
@andydufresne6374 11 месяцев назад
​@@Nextkejactually Johan folds patrick in rls it's just my opinion
@cochelper1736
@cochelper1736 Месяц назад
@@andydufresne6374 lol patrick low diff johan in rls
@ganimelife7470
@ganimelife7470 11 месяцев назад
Patrick Jane as a villaim would be a scary thing as he knows how to hypnotise
@PJ_enjoyer
@PJ_enjoyer 7 месяцев назад
Probably a bigger menace than hannibal honestly.
@technicallypurple1610
@technicallypurple1610 7 месяцев назад
If he was a villain that'd be terrifying
@tyushoto
@tyushoto 7 месяцев назад
​@@PJ_enjoyer😂
@kingdeath6996
@kingdeath6996 3 месяца назад
​@@PJ_enjoyer We need a fanfic where Patrick works on a case tied to the Red John case where a string of murders all tie to a man named Tenma but Jane knows he is innocent so he uses Tenma to attract Johan But Johan doesnt fall for it and instead sends an assassin to the CBI where Jane hypnotises the assassin but Johan, seeing the use fade of the hitman has him kill himself. The replies can furthen this story
@PerfectAlien-wh9sp
@PerfectAlien-wh9sp 16 дней назад
@@PJ_enjoyer He dont scales higher then hannibal
@Hal_9000T
@Hal_9000T 11 месяцев назад
amazing edit. I disagree only with vci and linguistic skills, I think this goes to johan(maybe vci to both) and direct manipulation both. Overall eq could go either way
@garyzhu1913
@garyzhu1913 6 месяцев назад
direct goes to Jane, EU debatable EP Jane no question
@Hal_9000T
@Hal_9000T 6 месяцев назад
@@garyzhu1913 Yes, I watched more episodes of The Mentalist and changed my opinion. Jane takes EP easily and EU is close but Jane takes it. Overall eq EQP=Jane EQU= jane Eqe= jane Eqm= johan
@Hal_9000T
@Hal_9000T 6 месяцев назад
@@garyzhu1913 for direct manip imo is both
@itskatagitiyuiichi
@itskatagitiyuiichi Год назад
Nirox dropping one of the best edits 🔥🔥
@TheRealNirox
@TheRealNirox Год назад
@SuperiorPrime-1453
@SuperiorPrime-1453 4 месяца назад
You earned a sub,it's the best edit about Patrick Goat,I have seen so far,edit is awesome🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@JohanxLiebert831
@JohanxLiebert831 Год назад
Bro this edit is just perfection 😮🔥
@TheRealNirox
@TheRealNirox Год назад
Thanks 🔥
@lukeladin
@lukeladin 11 месяцев назад
Please can someone explain me these terms? I can't find them on google and I have idea of what a VCI or a GAYI is and I really wanna know
@XtremeTricking
@XtremeTricking 11 месяцев назад
Ok, what the hell is lateral thk, what advantaje will thinking sideways bring you?
@ishowvk
@ishowvk 11 месяцев назад
Search WISC terms or WAIS terms
@lukeladin
@lukeladin 11 месяцев назад
​@@ishowvkthank you very much :)
@veer884
@veer884 Год назад
W edit..🪓🔥
@karma4153
@karma4153 11 месяцев назад
VCI, Planing, Linguistic, EQ for johan (VCI and EQ are debatable). W + Fax Amazing Edit!😮
@darrks
@darrks 10 месяцев назад
@@Antonio21563Linguistic intel definitely goes to Johan. I haven't read Monster, so correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt Johan master multiple languages? I also heard he even taught some people languages as well.
@karma4153
@karma4153 10 месяцев назад
​@@darrksYes correct. In addition to speaking multiple languages, Johan also has a persuasive ability that borders on the surreal; with a few words he can convince even the merriest person to take his own life.
@AlBanoCageBox
@AlBanoCageBox 10 месяцев назад
@@darrkshe knows latin, czech, german, french and english + he improved Karl latin capabilities
@Rebelfr
@Rebelfr Год назад
VCI goes to Johan (i think?) And you can give johan Planning if you wanna be lenient. NFS is close. FS is Low- mid for Jane. Overall Eq is very close and it goes either way. W vid + edit fr. Overall Jane Mid diffs
@lukeladin
@lukeladin 11 месяцев назад
Please can someone explain me these terms? I can't find them on google and I have idea of what a VCI or a GAYI is and I really wanna know
@Rebelfr
@Rebelfr 11 месяцев назад
@@lukeladin WMI - Working Memory Index PSI- Processing Speed Index VCI- Verbal Comprehension Index VSI- Visual Spatial Index FRI- Fluid Reasoning Index CPI - WMI + PSI GAI- PRI + VCI PRI- VSI + FRI You can search the specifics on internet or the "WAIS" full scale iq method
@mazureqp
@mazureqp 11 месяцев назад
@@Rebelfr wasnt vci -visual spatIal index/?
@Xiter2024
@Xiter2024 11 месяцев назад
​@@mazureqpno lol
@italiano766
@italiano766 11 месяцев назад
Eq to patrick jane,high-very high diff
@TheOnevWholovesGames
@TheOnevWholovesGames Год назад
W edit ❤
@master-d2776
@master-d2776 11 месяцев назад
If baku beat PJ very high diff PJ low-mid diff johan (maybe lower) (I watched all mantalist and monster)
@owen3548
@owen3548 2 месяца назад
facts
@cochelper1736
@cochelper1736 Месяц назад
baku insane diff patrick or could go either way ,and in rls patrick high diff
@owen3548
@owen3548 Месяц назад
@@cochelper1736 baku very high - extreme diffs patrick (depending on situation), patrick does beat baku in RLS (very high diff) but johan comes no where near close to these two
@cochelper1736
@cochelper1736 Месяц назад
@@owen3548 nah,baku insane diff pj or could go either way , baku and pj are kinda same but still yaa baku insane diff , and yes rls is correct and in C&M situation pj high diff
@01sentiiack
@01sentiiack 10 месяцев назад
Jane is just a smarter character overall but if he were to encounter Johan in a Cat and Mouse situation to try and put him behind bars, he simply couldn’t. Johan is too good at direct and emotional manipulation and would get himself out of most sticky situations that would put him in jeopardy. Jane would read him very well although Johan is too cunning to get himself caught in any of his tricks
@sohaib7661
@sohaib7661 9 месяцев назад
What makes u think jane would be putting johan behind the bars instead of killing him
@JohanLiebert756
@JohanLiebert756 9 месяцев назад
-🤡🤡🤡
@Sns-gp7rv
@Sns-gp7rv 8 месяцев назад
Jane wouldn't even try to put him behind bars. One example is san joaquin serial killer where jane indirectly manipulated red john to get that guy killed. Jane doesn't hesitate to kill someone if he deems the person dangerous
@shockshplock3480
@shockshplock3480 8 месяцев назад
@@Sns-gp7rvJohan is a more experienced marksman than Jane so that wouldn’t end up going well
@JohanLiebert756
@JohanLiebert756 8 месяцев назад
@@Sns-gp7rv Keep that Mid Jane ngga away from my G.O.A.T.
@TheBatman39
@TheBatman39 3 месяца назад
This is a versus i wasn't expecting to find
@devaxionrl8189
@devaxionrl8189 Год назад
W insane edit although I’m gonna start the mentalist soon
@MrDiceZack
@MrDiceZack 12 дней назад
Have you started it
@devaxionrl8189
@devaxionrl8189 12 дней назад
@@MrDiceZack yeah I finished it. Overall I think Patrick Jane high diffs Johan
@MrDiceZack
@MrDiceZack 12 дней назад
@@devaxionrl8189 I agree
@MrDiceZack
@MrDiceZack 12 дней назад
Why did the song cut off
@istvankeri6688
@istvankeri6688 2 месяца назад
You know, considering Jane's past (which is pretty public knowledge) and all the shit that happens with him throughout the series, and considering his more self destructive and sociopathic tendencies, if they were to go at eachother, there is a high chance that Johan could make Jane kill himself. Or he could just make some random CBI employee kill him, or some random pedastrian. And I mean, in the Mentalist we constantly see Red John outsmart Jane, the only reason he gets found out is because of a series of mistakes. Johan doesn't really make mistakes, except when he wants Tenma to find him, and during Ruhenheim, but at that point it doesn't matter to him because his plan was to die anyways. Like he is so good that the police didn't even believe he existed until after Munich, which is when he changed his plans, and he wasn't *as* careful because he planned to get shot by Tenma at the ceremony.
@cochelper1736
@cochelper1736 Месяц назад
johan can never kill him not even in 1000years of life , and rj was winning only due to his influence but as Patrick gain experience and more time on case he at last outsmart red john
@istvankeri6688
@istvankeri6688 Месяц назад
@@cochelper1736 Johan has the same level of, if not more, influence as Red John. But unlike Red John, Johan in this scenario has no motive to play cat and mouse with Jane, he would just get rid of him the first chance he gets. And he has a lot, and I mean a LOT of ways to kill Jane. He could use Janes mental state, his lost family, his lost friends and lover, his willing drug abuse to get to him and make him kill himself. He could get a random CBI/FBI agent to kill Jane, he could get a random pedestrian to kill Jane, he could hire hitman, he could use his followers, he could frame him for crimes and use the police, he could literally just burn down the CBI/FBI HQ Jane's at, he could get some random serial killer to kill Jane, the possibilities are endless really. Johan isn't RJ, he isn't in it for the game or for fun, he's there to kill, so he will kill.
@cochelper1736
@cochelper1736 Месяц назад
@@istvankeri6688 that not how it works , as per that logic even Jane could manipulate anyone to kill Johan , the fact that Patrick could manipulate far deeper than Johan using hypnosis , and ya Johan has very much chance against pre cbi Patrick , but there is 0% against current Jane
@user-uy5ku6cy3v
@user-uy5ku6cy3v 5 дней назад
You overestimate Johan, he is much more stupid than Red John. Jane makes very few mistakes, John beat him in many ways because of his influence. Patrick almost caught John several times, but his accomplices either committed suicide or were killed. You underestimate Jane's psyche very much, it's impossible to make him lose his temper, which can't be said about Johan, for example, when he saw a book about an Unnamed Monster in the library.
@istvankeri6688
@istvankeri6688 5 дней назад
@@user-uy5ku6cy3v You talk about Red Johns influence beating Jane, as if Johan didn't have the secret police of Czechoslovakia, extremist organizations throughout Germany, dozens of serial killers across Europe and the German economy both underground and otherwise under his thumb. He could, again, also get basically anyone to do what he wants them to. And you overestimate Jane's mental stability. Not only does he lose his cool more times than Johan does, but he also was in a mental institute for years, is a repeat drug abuser and also has people he cares about which would be a big weakness in this matchup. And unlike Red John, Johan doesn't have a discernible identity. He rarely shows up himself. He also made fewer mistakes than Red John. Johan was only sloppy twice in the story, both times he was planning to die, so lose ends didn't really matter. Red John constantly makes mistakes, even if he manages to clean a lot of them up.
@trieuvu-7013
@trieuvu-7013 Год назад
Siesta vs Junko (full-scale) please
@SeanSollestre-lz8wf
@SeanSollestre-lz8wf 5 месяцев назад
I like the way you put The ordinary life and Fanf song😮
@maji-majima
@maji-majima Год назад
oh why i love this man 👤
@majestictreefromthesvirpeswamp
@majestictreefromthesvirpeswamp 9 месяцев назад
Aint no way i can understand all of that points dawg💀
@Userizekai123
@Userizekai123 2 месяца назад
So easy just read some docs about character feat explanation all the points are present there
@luispomarescantillo
@luispomarescantillo Месяц назад
​@@Userizekai123Where are You?
@Nerose.1s
@Nerose.1s 10 месяцев назад
Its crazy how underrated johan is nowdays..
@richboi6685
@richboi6685 9 месяцев назад
Not really most people nowadays just don’t appreciate good writing, but aye, that’s on their brains, eyes, and emotions. Johan will always be my favorite antagonist of all time and I don’t think that’ll ever change. Not in this lifetime.
@jackstain8948
@jackstain8948 9 месяцев назад
​@@richboi6685same bro😂
@akashv6274
@akashv6274 9 месяцев назад
@@richboi6685 read reverend insanity , umineko , usogui , I am the fated villian etc. Then your opinion would get flipped like a switch lol.
@nguyenanho1279
@nguyenanho1279 8 месяцев назад
@@richboi6685saying johan is the best in writing is the stupidest statement I have ever heard
@kovacsgyuszi2529
@kovacsgyuszi2529 8 месяцев назад
Patrick is just simply stomps in stop scaling
@invictus82
@invictus82 10 месяцев назад
Massive edit
@assistentedellassistentegr2939
@assistentedellassistentegr2939 10 месяцев назад
Pls tutorial to how you edited 0:50 - 1:00
@Kronensegler211
@Kronensegler211 Год назад
W + Fax
@neeluike6272
@neeluike6272 4 месяца назад
No one can take away the point of CHARISMA from JOHAN LIEBERT
@arlynnfolke
@arlynnfolke 11 месяцев назад
bro really clap johan too hard.
@yohanliebert7893
@yohanliebert7893 9 дней назад
The song cut off 😔
@ruksanakhatun0899
@ruksanakhatun0899 Год назад
The song fitt sp well in John liebert ❤️
@Daa_Black_Rainbow
@Daa_Black_Rainbow Год назад
whats the version of the My Ordinary Life?
@ItsSupercat94
@ItsSupercat94 10 месяцев назад
ordinary life x got no time sped up
@leethejailer9195
@leethejailer9195 4 месяца назад
What do these stats even mean
@namelessmonsterr
@namelessmonsterr 10 месяцев назад
Wtf I see this Patrick Jane guy winning against really smart characters I guess I’m going to watch his series then btw does is have a book too?
@TheFoolDeck
@TheFoolDeck 10 месяцев назад
I recommend it! He really is a cunning character that likes mind games as an consultant in the series.
@namelessmonsterr
@namelessmonsterr 10 месяцев назад
@@TheFoolDeck I just finished episode 1 a while ago and the way he set the man up is insane that feat alone makes him surpasses Yuuichi easily
@namelessmonsterr
@namelessmonsterr 10 месяцев назад
@@TheFoolDeck Btw is there a book on the series?
@TheFoolDeck
@TheFoolDeck 10 месяцев назад
@@namelessmonsterr I don't think it has a book... But if there is, it is not the story of the series. Because Bruno Heller the writer of "The Mentalist" hasn't made a book of it as far as I know.
@punkerror31
@punkerror31 10 месяцев назад
@@namelessmonsterr are you still watching the series? whats your opinion on PJ overall
@gabrielecall.5380
@gabrielecall.5380 9 месяцев назад
johan underrated af, patrick more feats, but johan has narrative feats too
@garyzhu1913
@garyzhu1913 6 месяцев назад
Johan has no feats bro
@arlynnfolke
@arlynnfolke 5 месяцев назад
@@garyzhu1913 he had, but mostly off-screen feats.
@parthsinghdeopa2224
@parthsinghdeopa2224 Год назад
Felt intense till the end
@TheRealNirox
@TheRealNirox Год назад
@messithelegend_
@messithelegend_ Год назад
Edit app?
@__Ninja69
@__Ninja69 18 дней назад
Alight motion
@slippy1743
@slippy1743 7 месяцев назад
What does nfs and fs mean. Explain
@yohanliebert7893
@yohanliebert7893 9 дней назад
Non-fixed situation Fixed situation
@Nextkej
@Nextkej Год назад
Overall eq, any linguistic Category and body kenstetic goes to Johan and so does self awareness and cat and mouse situation johan wins high diff
@crowgaming9539
@crowgaming9539 Год назад
Lol no, Patrick wins with medium-high difficulty. A rival for Patrick would be Sherlock Holmes (BBC).
@Nextkej
@Nextkej Год назад
@@crowgaming9539 in a NLF (car and mouse) Johan has far better feats lol
@vincenzo1142
@vincenzo1142 11 месяцев назад
​@@NextkejJohan>>>>Red John
@nonehasenemies
@nonehasenemies 11 месяцев назад
​@@vincenzo1142good joke man
@SY4K3-S4N
@SY4K3-S4N 10 месяцев назад
Patrick Jane seguramente descubriría a Johan. Su caso es similar al de Red John; pero menos complicado debido a que Johan realmente no le importa ser descubierto. En todo caso, en outsmarting Johan sí se lleva la delantera... Tiene mejores feats que PJ. En lo demás, PJ arrasa (High-Diff)
@jhonnyCrack174
@jhonnyCrack174 10 месяцев назад
Que hazañas de johan son mejores que las de Patrick
@SY4K3-S4N
@SY4K3-S4N 10 месяцев назад
@@jhonnyCrack174 ¿En outsmarting? Lol, ¿por dónde empezar? Ah, bueno, sí... Quizá el burlar a varias agencias europeas de seguridad te suene de algo. O eso de manipular la economía mundial a su gusto para obtener una capital predominante también. No sé, tú dime.
@user-zq3gy8ge5k
@user-zq3gy8ge5k 10 месяцев назад
tell me a feat of johan that is better.bro is featless monster fr
@SY4K3-S4N
@SY4K3-S4N 10 месяцев назад
@@user-zq3gy8ge5k I just said it. And don't say the "featless" bullshit if you don't want to get humiliated out of here.
@Argos4
@Argos4 10 месяцев назад
​@@user-zq3gy8ge5kRuenheim
@user-wz7bs3fz1r
@user-wz7bs3fz1r 5 месяцев назад
Multicolour aura vs literal devil aura
@akashv6274
@akashv6274 Год назад
Overall: patrick high diff.
@sussy-gussy
@sussy-gussy Год назад
Mid high diff
@sykkoykocvtqv
@sykkoykocvtqv Год назад
the monster will always defeat the superhuman (ubermensh) because of their main difference in the love of life. As Hitler said about a person who loves nothing in the world can comprehend all the boundaries of it.
@sussy-gussy
@sussy-gussy Год назад
@@sykkoykocvtqv by your logic Jeffrey dahmer >>>>jack the ripper
@sykkoykocvtqv
@sykkoykocvtqv Год назад
@@sussy-gussy You don't quite understand what I mean by monster. Jeffrey Dahmer was guided by his feelings, the pleasures that brought him the killing of black people. But Johan is another antagonist, rather an original evil, which is not prevalent for us people in the form of hydonism. We will never be able to understand Johan, and even if we did, we would not watch it all. Read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" by Friedrich Nietzsche, all my arguments come down to this book. P.S. I speak English very badly and I translate it all through the prism of a Russian-English translator, sorry just like jack the ripper, all these people had a goal, whether it was to free this world from dirty creatures, to kill all the villains, thereby becoming a villain. All these paths (goals) are absolutely human in nature, and even the BRUTAL ways to achieve them look humane. A monster or an ubermensh(superhuman) will always prevail over a person, if I give an example from real life, I would say that the zodiac is somewhat similar to Johan.
@grosubogdan1166
@grosubogdan1166 Год назад
naaah not at all watch just first episode of the mentalist and thats enough to negg johan
@host_r
@host_r 11 месяцев назад
Patrick best MC.
@T_L_o_E
@T_L_o_E 10 месяцев назад
My Childhood (Patrick Jane) Vs My favorite Anime Character (Johan Liebert) My Childhood wins W Edit 🗿🍷
@alphaandomega106
@alphaandomega106 11 месяцев назад
Charm and manipulation goes to patrick
@TheRealNirox
@TheRealNirox 9 месяцев назад
No
@Wangmaidongisugly
@Wangmaidongisugly 2 месяца назад
Nah watch monster
@henri___tt4849
@henri___tt4849 5 месяцев назад
Patrick Jane🔥🔥🥶
@Nerose.1s
@Nerose.1s 8 месяцев назад
Its hard to understand complex manga like monster Johan wins mid diff.
@Gemyknows.
@Gemyknows. 8 месяцев назад
Cope
@1p098lm
@1p098lm 7 месяцев назад
So complex manga = smarter? *COPE*
@H4CKP4CK
@H4CKP4CK 3 месяца назад
Cope better
@GoatAidenPearce822
@GoatAidenPearce822 10 месяцев назад
PJ no concept of diff
@blackhawk_Enochserpent
@blackhawk_Enochserpent 9 месяцев назад
Johan would win. Patrick Jane including all the plotholes and plot armor would still be unable, only convinient hollywood chars can fight him 1v1. Tob e honest, both of them are full of plot armor, but just the fact Johan uses assasins would be end for Patrick jane. Johan wins no diff.
@blazi5218
@blazi5218 Год назад
Bodily/Kinesthesic intelligence, linguistic intelligence, anticipation, planning to Johan
@Urek2766
@Urek2766 Год назад
Crazy take patrick jane is literraly the strongest mentalist of all time , he can use hypnos and suggestion in a more realistic and more complex way that johan , anticipation goes everytime to patrick , for planning I agree and PJ takes all intelligence points its obv
@blazi5218
@blazi5218 Год назад
@@Urek2766 in mind control I agree with you But tell me the best feat he has of planning and anticipation, or why he is better than Johan in kinesthetic and linguistic intelligence
@Urek2766
@Urek2766 Год назад
@@blazi5218 For anticipation it goes with Cold reading, and I think there's no real debate on that since it's pj's strong point, for Linguistic intelligence I don't remember any feats by pj so I'll give it to Johan and for kinesthetic intelligence pj takes this point quite easily given that as a mentalist he knows perfectly well how to control every part of his body from the muscles of his face to attract attention or even hypnotize his targets, and for Johan he has quite a few feats on that point but not enough work imo to be compared to those of pj
@blazi5218
@blazi5218 Год назад
@@Urek2766 You have good points, but the anticipation is still debatable even with pj's cold reading. Johan has been able to anticipate several events throughout monster, since he was 10 years old in kinderheim 511 that he destroyed from within, he anticipated and calculated everyone's actions so that they killed each other, the same thing happened in the town of the massacre at the end from monster. In linguistic intelligence, Johan is someone who is fluent in several languages, learning them in a very short time, has remarkable verbal comprehension and linguistic intelligence. As for kinesthetic intelligence, Johan was trained with various military martial arts, having remarkable kinesthetic skills as he was trained to be the perfect soldier, this can also be seen in Grimmer who received the same training as Johan and can quickly kill several men armed, which also counts as kinesthetic intelligence It should also be noted that Johan has faced much more complex challenges since he was a child than those faced by pj
@blazi5218
@blazi5218 Год назад
@@Urek2766 Unfortunately we can't see Johan much due to his mystery as a character, unlike pj we can see his abilities directly in everything moment
@user-dd7hv2sx5b
@user-dd7hv2sx5b 5 месяцев назад
In Real Life Situation Johan High Diffs.
@user-zq3gy8ge5k
@user-zq3gy8ge5k 10 месяцев назад
W.the one who didn't overrated johan
@Wangmaidongisugly
@Wangmaidongisugly 2 месяца назад
yes he underrated him tbh
@midtama133
@midtama133 23 дня назад
NFS:Jane extreme diff Cat and mouse:johan very high diff Overall:jane high diff
@Titanus2057
@Titanus2057 Год назад
Patrick no diff
@WorldLeader12345
@WorldLeader12345 Год назад
I feel like you overrated Patrick & heavily underrated Johan (not surprised though) but fair enough.
@Urek2766
@Urek2766 Год назад
Actually he's not PJ mid diff at best johan is overrated with full off screen feats or theorical feats
@WorldLeader12345
@WorldLeader12345 Год назад
@@Urek2766 Once again you’re suing this poor and baseless argument. Complexity & thought process ≠ better, in fact it's actually the opposite, seemingly simple yet effective methods for end result are superior, it being offscreen doesn't mean it wasn't explained or was an asspull, Monster just doesn't spoon feed the audience breakdowns of said actions. The outcome should be measured based on what the character did, not how good the scaling is. Stop's scaling is subjective. When measuring the intelligence of a character, looking at the complexity of their explanations is not the right approach. Monster is very different to anime like Death Note, COTE, Tomodachi Game & Moriarty the Patriot as Monster’s main focus isn’t on the battle of wits mind games between the MC & the Antagonist, it focuses more on the Contrasting Philosophies instead and how they impact people they interact with, general Intelligence & outsmarting is at best a secondary factor in the show if that. It’s high diff at the absolute minimum.
@Urek2766
@Urek2766 Год назад
@@WorldLeader12345 Well yeah but even taking into account the fact that his manipulation feats are extremely good his feats on the rest are very weak and that's a fact in outsmarting manipulation is not enough and as you said if Johan lacks feat on screen it's only because the author wanted to keep the mysterious and elusive atmosphere of the character, I understand this choice and it's better that way for the writing of the character. But does that impact his scaling? Of course it does, and people tend to forget that, which is why I think he's overrated (in terms of wis, of course, otherwise he's easily the top 3 antagonists in the world).
@Urek2766
@Urek2766 Год назад
@@WorldLeader12345 And yeah for me complexity + efficacity >>> Large scale and results (its still important too but not really in outsmarting imo )
@WorldLeader12345
@WorldLeader12345 Год назад
@@Urek2766 His feats outside of manipulation are very strong as well, but no one bothers to look into them because they only pay attention to what looks cooler.
@QuinnEnjoyerOfDeezNuts
@QuinnEnjoyerOfDeezNuts 5 месяцев назад
PJ takes this low diff😂
@UsuarioOpinativokk
@UsuarioOpinativokk 3 месяца назад
"cry", "cry harder" got me laughing
@Andre-dv4fi
@Andre-dv4fi 5 месяцев назад
Both are fodders of friend
@aightlesgoo9532
@aightlesgoo9532 Месяц назад
How can people actually like the mentalist. It's so boring, every episode is barebones the same. You got the husband or wife that is cheating, some unfunny jokes with the relationship about the 2 coworkers, the Chinese guy screams at one suspect but gets nothing out of it and so on. I really treie but I'm stuck at season 1 and so far Patrick Jane did not do very much if I am completely honest
@keanal1680
@keanal1680 Месяц назад
dont say anything about patrick jane's outsmarting abillity until you finish the mentalist
@average_donald_obama_joe_liker
@average_donald_obama_joe_liker 29 дней назад
It's made for old people.
@aiolossspontosss
@aiolossspontosss Год назад
Seduce, manipulation and indirect control go to PJ (how seduction go to Johan?) and deception too
@phoenix0278
@phoenix0278 Год назад
"Monster Episode 44 " says it all
@Nextkej
@Nextkej Год назад
@@phoenix0278fax these people have not watched or read monster lol
@primtegames4615
@primtegames4615 11 месяцев назад
Seduction easily goes to Johan💀💀💀
@aiolossspontosss
@aiolossspontosss 11 месяцев назад
@@primtegames4615 bro you watched Mentalist? in one of the firsts episodes he has more feats in seduction than Johan, is more powerful and deepth.
@primtegames4615
@primtegames4615 11 месяцев назад
@@aiolossspontosss Johan seduces anyone, even men in Monster find Johan handsome.
@dipayan8789
@dipayan8789 5 месяцев назад
Patrick is nothing in front of Johan🗿🗿🗿
@keanal1680
@keanal1680 3 месяца назад
have you ever watched the mentalist?
@dipayan8789
@dipayan8789 2 месяца назад
​@@keanal1680No I never, I only watched monster, and thats enough to say that Johan is the best villain
@keanal1680
@keanal1680 2 месяца назад
@@dipayan8789 bruh watch the mentalist then its a pretty fun show
@JessieJames1
@JessieJames1 Месяц назад
@@keanal1680 Tbh I watched it and Johan will beat him considering he puts himself in a situation (whether intentional or not) where he can be killed, I think the plot save him multiple times.
@dayisthelight100
@dayisthelight100 2 месяца назад
I say Patrick Jane mid diff
@HO-gj6we
@HO-gj6we 9 месяцев назад
Jane fanboys go brrr
@Gemyknows.
@Gemyknows. 8 месяцев назад
Cope harder
@Theabsoluteleader482
@Theabsoluteleader482 5 месяцев назад
Johan midi diff
@Mahalqahtani
@Mahalqahtani 10 месяцев назад
Patrick Jane neg-no diff
@animemanga917
@animemanga917 10 месяцев назад
JOHAN> dogrick
@user-zq3gy8ge5k
@user-zq3gy8ge5k 10 месяцев назад
Mentalist>>>featless monster
@animemanga917
@animemanga917 10 месяцев назад
@@user-zq3gy8ge5k رأيي مصايحك؟ لا تبكي يضل يوهان افضل من كل الي بعقلك وبالراحة ☕
@itznav_sin
@itznav_sin 9 месяцев назад
How bad comment Is Jane a bad character? Idk about him
@user-zq3gy8ge5k
@user-zq3gy8ge5k 9 месяцев назад
@@itznav_sin nah he is a good character and underrated in writing
@Gemyknows.
@Gemyknows. 8 месяцев назад
​@@animemanga917اذهب للبكاء. المكان الوحيد الذي يفوز فيه يوهان هو الكتابة (قابل للنقاش)
@sebastianatencio2
@sebastianatencio2 Год назад
All to Patrick Jane Near > Johan
@devaxionrl8189
@devaxionrl8189 Год назад
💀wtf
@ikigai1799
@ikigai1799 Год назад
L>Johan>Light>Near
@Rebelfr
@Rebelfr Год назад
If you use Stop's Scaling yes. Otherwise nah. Any amount of statements put Johan above Near
@WorldLeader12345
@WorldLeader12345 Год назад
@@RebelfrYep, that’s why STOP scaling is flawed
@user-jc7uz5lo3c
@user-jc7uz5lo3c Год назад
@@Rebelfr No, even in stop skylining Johan humiliates DN
@Otakuto-bg3h
@Otakuto-bg3h 4 месяца назад
Johan will manipulate Patrick to kill him self.😂😂😂
@keanal1680
@keanal1680 3 месяца назад
uhh, patrick isn't your normal human bud
@H4CKP4CK
@H4CKP4CK 3 месяца назад
STAY MAD JOHAN FANBOYS
@user-ov4ek8tu5g
@user-ov4ek8tu5g 2 месяца назад
No Johan high diff
@monad8611
@monad8611 6 месяцев назад
Gayi ☠️
@user-eg2co2qm7j
@user-eg2co2qm7j 8 месяцев назад
Wtf is that guy
@djbsghss75
@djbsghss75 10 месяцев назад
Johan wins ?
@Gemyknows.
@Gemyknows. 8 месяцев назад
Nah
@gidromephilomostofilophes6383
@gidromephilomostofilophes6383 4 месяца назад
WTF IS GAYI
@itznav_sin
@itznav_sin 9 месяцев назад
Overall jane(extreme diff)
@partyvietnamcommunist4829
@partyvietnamcommunist4829 9 месяцев назад
Jane no diff
@Calaronni
@Calaronni 2 месяца назад
0:24, GAY?
@jeonjin6800
@jeonjin6800 2 месяца назад
Patrick gay🧔‍♂️💀♂️
@Irebejr6275
@Irebejr6275 Год назад
overated patrick but g edit
@WorldLeader12345
@WorldLeader12345 Год назад
Most people do though I guess
@borakk544
@borakk544 Год назад
have you even seen the mentalist?
@Irebejr6275
@Irebejr6275 Год назад
@@borakk544 have you read another monster
@borakk544
@borakk544 Год назад
@@Irebejr6275 I did. I dont underestimate his feats. Still saying Patrick is overrated bcs he wins against Johan is biased af
@Irebejr6275
@Irebejr6275 Год назад
@@borakk544 dude have you seen patrick's mental state in comparison to johan have you because if you had you would know that something as low as low diff is a biased take
@esabel2458
@esabel2458 7 месяцев назад
Jane low diff
@JohanLiebert756
@JohanLiebert756 10 месяцев назад
Nah, Johan wins.
@H4CKP4CK
@H4CKP4CK 9 месяцев назад
reasoning? i have a johan pfp so I'm absolutely correct 🤣
@JohanLiebert756
@JohanLiebert756 9 месяцев назад
@@H4CKP4CK It's basic knowledge blud 💀. But ig you don't even have that much knowledge 💀.
@H4CKP4CK
@H4CKP4CK 9 месяцев назад
@@JohanLiebert756 more like propaganda for childrens like you
@Poiu916
@Poiu916 9 месяцев назад
Johan fan boy
@JohanLiebert756
@JohanLiebert756 9 месяцев назад
@@Poiu916 Jane fan boy.
@Nobody_wants_me_alive
@Nobody_wants_me_alive 3 месяца назад
0:25 What’s GAYI?
@RaffTheRipper
@RaffTheRipper Год назад
W edit and W result but I'd personally give planning to Johan but I can see why you gave it to PJ 🫶
@Wangmaidongisugly
@Wangmaidongisugly 2 месяца назад
Both neg ayanokoji
@Nerose.1s
@Nerose.1s 10 месяцев назад
Its crazy how underrated johan is nowdays..
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