John Connor vs T-600 | Terminator Salvation [Director's Cut] 

T-600 didn't know it was John connor, and the T-600 wasn't armed how could he kill John? shooting with your finger? and being thrown at 4 meters is not trying to kill so it must be caress.

@@strayk9 I was being sarcastic. And you're wrong. Every machine is connected to Skynet which confirms target. It's the case of the buzz drones which identified Kyle Reese in the chase.

Skynet: You're an idiot 600, an absolute goddamn idiot. This is why I'm phasing these things out for the 800s. Objective Added: Proceed with Self-Termination On another note, I wonder if it's the same terminator the helicopter landed on. Seeing how it withstood the chaingun for a bit, a few rifle rounds might not have killed it. Would've been funny if that got it's circuits in a jumble.

@@strayk9 he could've break John's neck at the very least.

​@@strayk9 SkyNet loves tormenting John Connor, but clearly it doesn't have the guts to go through with killing him.

Only T-800 or 850 has that

Call of duty has you surviving plane and helicopter crashes.

@ThatPurpleFunk lot of people survive such incident、even more common in military。i never crash before but we know exactly what do if somehow we crash。

You realize the terminator can only crawl and needed to knock him down to get to a vital point to kill him or are you void of common sense

@@FP194 The T-600. Capable of lifting 5 times it's own weight, and punching through concrete. The T-600, while behind him with the element of surprise could've knocked him out, cut his neck, broke his neck, pierced his brain, broke his knee, anything. Nope. It's called 'plot armor' to make a fight scene more enjoyable. He throws him barely to the side. Why not read the 20 other comments making the same joke or are you void of a brain?

How do you do it

​@@etgha It's called not being a cynical asshole about every movie you see. People these days over criticize movies and expect everything about a movie to be perfect. It's extremely pretentious.

​@@Wifgargfhaurhoh man i know why its not the ideal movie but its so much better than what we get recently in these years. I really liked the post apocalypse touch what no other movie did so far... and unless u checked out what terminator 3 was supposed to be but got trashed its basically arnold and kid in the future where war already happened trying to inflitrate or something

​@@coffe2gobut... in this future with no lasers?

It's called living happy and it's beautiful

"Plot armors are TIGHT!"

Snap his neck?That thing could’ve ripped his head off easily.

I mean, really...there's no way a machine that small could be that strong anyway. Humans are squishy, but we can actually handle a lot. No human-sized machine (unless it's made out of impossible supermaterials that physically cannot ever exist) could ever be so much stronger than a human that it would be that easy to kill us. The strongest human-sized machine could maybe be slightly stronger than a champion body-builder/athlete. And breaking someone's neck is not like it is in the movies. It's extremely difficult to do bare-handed even for the strongest and most skilled martial artists. It's more just an inconsistency of the movies than a plot hole.

@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Facts. The programming in the T-600 could be incredibly limited as well.

@@DoremiFasolatido1979 The only limiter is the energy source. If the terminator is made of anything as durable or more durable than steel, it can use its actuators to easily break bones, shear or rip flesh, because it does not have to take care to damage itself. A simple hit by its arm or leg would probably enough, due to the mass and resulting force alone. If you can bash in a human skull with a baseball bat, a terminator can easily do it "bare handed". Or compare it to simple handheld power tools and the damage you can do with them, even the battery powered ones.

exactly

Well its John Connor. If he had been any other character in the movie the T-600 would have smashed his skull into silly putty.

@@alucardofromania9844 if your excuse for a character surviving is because they have plot armor, than that’s precedence for bad writing.

@@howdoichangemyusername9802 So John should have died regardless of the fact that he's crucial to the main story? Plot armor happens in all fiction, thats why its called fiction. If movies killed off main characters easy for the sake of realism then what would be the point of even making movies or cultivating stories? I can think of a hundred other movies where the main character survives an event that they wouldn't be able to in reality. All main characters have plot armor so according to you all movies/stories suffer from bad writing.

@@alucardofromania9844 I’m saying that being the main character should not be the reason for surviving. If a villains actions solely change for the fact that it’s a main character, then it’s clear you can’t write properly. Terminators are suppose to know practically every way to kill humans with their hands, so they decide to throw them? Instead of the T-600 throwing Connor, how about he hears it coming and dodges a fatal blow. Like in the next scene, John stops a blow using his legs. This is better because A. It slightly displays Connor’s skill and why he’s survived in this war B. Still makes the Terminator seem dangerous because it was constantly going for a lethal move instead of throwing Connor around because Dark Fate didn’t happen yet.

Yes. Only problem this movie had was that the story was focused too heavily on Marcus Wright. John was like a secondary character. If the film had had more scenes like this one and been more focused on battles between the resistance and the terminators this film would have been one of the best Terminator movies ever made. It was just bad writing. I know Marcus Wright was supposed to be like the perfect infiltrator and all, but i think the movie just focused on his story too much.

@@245-TRIOXIN Personally i think they did right. When you see the setting of this movie, you can tell the people behind it wanted a saga in the war against the machines. You can tell this because this movie is based when humans and Terminators still used fire guns and not energy based ones. With that said, they clearly had in mind Marcus saving John from the start, hence why we get a lot of development from him and John. Personally i liked the whole concept of his Terminator and it really tied up well in the plot. In my opinion, it would have been kinda lame that we saw Marcus giving his life for John, if he did not had enough scenes as the ones he got in this movie. The impact on the story and in John Connor itself would have not been as big. Marcus arc ended very well, with him giving his life and a second chance to John, and in return getting what he always wanted, wich was death. I understand that a lot of people got dissapointed with Salvation because it was not what they expected. Most of the people wanted a film set around 2024 or so and fully focused on John and the resistance, wich is completly understandable. Still, Salvation did what Rise of the Machines did not. It gave us something totally new and fresh. A different plot from the whole Terminator vs Protector thing. It gave us the war against the machines and it also showcased a big number of new and cool Terminators, something that any good fan would appreciate. Also lets not forget about the amazing cast on Kyle Reese, and the fight with the T-800 was simply brilliant. This movie could have been much more, true, but you can tell they wanted to expand the story in order to make a full saga out of this. Still, in my opinion, Salvation is my 3rd favourite Terminator movie. And now that Dark Fate is out, a lot of people is finding out that this movie is unique on its own.

@@warchiefvenomn7612 Its still possible to have a Salvation sequel, despite audience have to acknowledge that it is clearly set in a different world, like Blade Runner 2049.

@@245-TRIOXIN it seems this way because the original script for this movie was supposed to have Marcus REPLACING John Connor after he dies at the end of the movie by transplanting his face on Marcus. He would be the one who survives to the end and won the war against the machines. Which kind of makes sense as Marcus would be harder to kill as being a cyborg would not attract Terminators focus. But test screen audiences hated that plot so it was re-wrote and we got this instead that's why the movie seems so focused on Marcus

It’s funny how you’re quoting thanos. The MCU is killing the viability of many other movie franchises. Especially if they aren’t comic book movies.

not really. it totally changes the canon and feel of the movies. its like a separate entity entirely

​@@SmokesKwazukii no it doesn't?

@@-_deploy_-it does

​​@@mkan5944doesn't the war was in the early stages as shown in the film the 800s were a prototypes hence it makes sense for the 600s to be used

@@iaminpain8407 it makes sense but the feel is just different idk just my opinion 🤷‍♂️

Flys? Really?

@@markfox1545 how would you describe it?

@@kayzeaza pans. Ok, flies works better.

It is a good shot

Definitely! Awesome shot! Glad there’s some who can see the shot for what it is instead of saying something about the whole movie

Like the original

The original did just that without throwing everyone everywhere lmao

@@Charles2k Yeah the first one liked to bitch slap people instead

@T-800 alright, how many times compared did the original throw the main character(s) around?

@@Charles2k Yet he bitch slapped everyone he saw rather than going for the kill. So your argument isnt valid.

And both sides have the groups that liked the movies from the start and are like: "you could not live with hollywood's failure, and where did that bring you... back to me.

@@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68 That would be me... On both Star Wars and Terminator. LOL.

I never hated salvation. Maybe because i was too young. But i never had a problem with thismovie and still don’t

When Genisys came out people liked this film more I think. Dark Fate just sealed the coffin because they tried to remake the first two Terminator films 3 times and it just didn't work anymore. I think the problem is that Salvation doesn't feel like a Terminator film. T1 and T2 are intimate stories in the middle of larger battle over the fate of the world. T1 is a love story and T2 is a father son story. Salvation has some interesting moments, and if it has some rewrites it could've been better, but overall it doesn't have such an intimate story. The other issue is that these movies kept getting complicated and convoluted so any of the human relationships are ignored as you're focusing on how the plot makes no sense.

when it comes to movies, people don't know what they want to enjoy.

Derecha

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They should have redundant chips in the chest cavity. Or just make the brain deep in the chest, under like super thick adamantium type shit. Also I'm not sure if bipedal legs are the best form of locomotion for non-infiltration terminators. I think arms and hands are great though. hands especially are a work of art, one of nature's greatest adaptations, so definitely a good idea for a killer robot. With a hand you can have all sorts of weapons, bladed, bludgeon, ranged, etc.

I'm pretty sure that was the sounds of its servos when John was blocking its arm.

To talk about our lord and savior Skynet?

@@coryboy345 It's even funnier because I too shoot that kind of person in the face repeatedly with a handgun and then leg it.

@@coryboy345 *fires machine gun*

Exactly, and look just how fast it kills a man m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VFOt0wuJmj0.html

@@coryboy345 or the extended warranty on your T-600

Thank you for your note

I disagree. The terminators in T1 and T2 were very hard to take down. That's why they used phased plasma rifles in all the future war scenes. Here, John Connor is equipped with a rifle that shoots 5.56 NATO rounds - a veritable pea shooter when compared to what the terminators are built to withstand.

@@sergey_is_sergey These are T-600s though, it wouldnt be a surprise if they are weaker than T-800. Also in T2 Arnold shows that the primary CPU is in the head, so shoot it enough times in the head close range through the eyes you could damage it and possibly take it offline at least temporarily.

@@nboy7 Good point. I stand corrected.

@@sergey_is_sergey It is kinda odd that they would put the CPU in the head though like a human weakness, they could have hidden it deep inside the chassis somewhere. I guess Skynet wasnt THAT smart :D

I guess Skynet had crummy programming for hand-to-hand combat on the early walking terminators.

@@wallacewallaby5782 Mission Parameters: TERMINATE JOHN CONNOR T-800: AFFIRMATIVE (tosses John Connor far away)

Non Gay, right?

Throwing people around is really terryfing

@@Shadow25720 watching, no.. but being that person being thrown will get you tired and unable to get up, which can get you killed

That's the point of the terminators.. to be more human like and INFILTRATE humanity's resistance army and kill them sooooo..... The fact that you'll never know your closest friend is a human machine hybrid until he skynet initiates order 66 is the true nightmare 🤔

@terrorgang archives literally everyone freaks out when they drown. Even people who have mental problems and don't feel fear still freaks out when they're drowning.

😏

Have you not seen other terminator movies?

@@ultraspinalki11 Which good terminator movies do this?

William Terminator 1 when he throws Matt around, Terminator 2 when the T-1000 throws the T-800 instead of just killing him and getting it over with, T-X throwing the T-850 around, etc.

Terry Price who’s Matt?

Was never even in the film, it was poor CG, and that's impossible, its a 600 model, 700s were skipped and this is the time they produced the first 800s.

Had a T850 for the mobile game

@@JasenJohn There were 700s

@@JasenJohn There are actually quite a few T-700 Endos later in the film. The on-screen version was identical in appearance to the T-800 but was made of Titanium-Steel rather than Hyperalloy. The concept art version was very much a hybrid of the T-600 and T-800. The concept art version was never seen in the film or video game. And the film version was referred to in dialogue as T-800s lol. So in a way you're correct.

Yeah the fact they used arnold for multiple different variations is where i also got confused and a little overwhelmed with caring about the lore

much like you people do with alot of movies

@JayMane agree

@@jonmarsh7914 so true.

No, just as more time passes the good parts of the movie is all you remember. Everything with John Connor was good, too bad most of the movie was about the other guy.

@Boba Fett I've always liked the first half. I just didn't like Helen Bonham Carter and future government scenes.

.......and boy how they screwed it up

@@nickcool0147 I wouldn't of had what's his name as John connor

@@victorm152Salvation is a god damned masterpiece compared to the last 2 terminator films. And Cameron was even the producer of the last one. It just proves how badly he's lost his touch.

@@godofawesum223 not really...he was producer what he can say about it is limited compared to when he was a director. It's not even his main project. I think they just used him to get fans excited.

@vin 950 absolutely

They used motion capture for it, under the cg there’s a dude crawling after him

I'm pretty sure there was also a puppet

Comparing to all the other copypastes, this one's ageing like milk.

@@ArnoldQMudskipper You got a war against Skynet movie. What more do you want?

@@triggeredcat120 You got a war against plain English? I want you to understand plain English.

@@ArnoldQMudskipper my troll sense is tingling...

This my favorite second to T2

Especially emphasis on the war part more or less

Which sucks cuz I actually enjoyed this vs the rest of the series

I think it was a good movie, could have been great, but being good should have been enough. It deserved a sequel. It deserved it's own trilogy. I think the weaponry that humanity still has at this point makes a lot of sense. A-10's, Hueys, manpads, ATGMs, at least one nuclear submarine, and militarized versions of civilian vehicles and aircraft.

@@22steve5150Originally it was supposed to be a sequel, but the company that made this movie went bankrupt (due to low box office sales) and had to sell the franchise to another company which later made genesis.

T-600 didn't know it was John connor, and the T-600 wasn't armed how could he kill John? shooting with your finger? and being thrown at 4 meters is not trying to kill so it must be caress.

@@strayk9 Correction, it wasn't unarmed, but unlegged. Also, ahhahahaah ha, I'm sorry for laughing but there's some serious irony(no pun intended) in saying that a *terminator* is unarmed. Built for war, named after death; It's a terminator, it by itself, *_is_* a weapon and you can bet your country that it can kill you armed or not. But to be more exact, even without legs, a stable base, it was strong enough to send Connor flying. It can certainly crush bones by grip strength alone. And Connor himself couldn't have done anything to it without getting to the mounted gun which it helped him do by throwing him.

strayk9 the terminator could’ve just grabbed him and twisted his neck and be done for, he had good opportunities but he just threw him

Underreated comment

It’s the classic trope of the immortal protagonist. Since time immemorial the lead character has carried the plot through thick and thin that would kill lesser important characters. Could you imagine if it was otherwise. In a scene full of so much ludicrous stuff it’s not hard to ask the audience for one more suspension of belief.

And now dark fate.

Yeah but whose call was it for terminators to throw John Connor when they get their hands on him? That guy should've been sacked on the spot.

@@Biohazard1999 in case you didn't notice: up to this point Skynet didn't kill all humans mercylessly.

@@M0butu also with the force throws him with and the objects he hits he should realistically be in to much pain to move or have several broken or fractured bones

I never hated this movie, myself. It's got a shit load of problems, but I liked some things in it, too. Out of all the bad Terminator movies, Salvation had the most potential. I still think a post-Judgement Day setting could be really great. Not sure why we can't give it another go if we apparently still feel like making Terminator movies, for whatever reason.

I love Salvation. The whole time traveling back to protect John got old and it was great to finally see the future in more detail we kept hearing about. Probably my 3rd favorite Terminator film.

Rip 🙏

Skynet got replacement

what happened to the next two movies?

@@TheJoker-cm5mf scratched off because this movie initially received poor reviews. They were counting on people to actually like this movie on release to be able to continue the follow-up movies.

Bale’s freak out did not help.

I basically have a pneumatic vice for a hand. So I'll use that immense gripping force to grab him by his clothes and throw him around a few times. That'll show him.

lmfao its too fckin true

I must throw him out of my reach even if i have no legs

T-600 didn't know it was John connor, and the T-600 wasn't armed how could he kill John? shooting with your finger? and being thrown at 4 meters is not trying to kill so it must be caress.

The first one was not bad. The terminator was legless, it had no chance of catching him upright, so it threw him to the ground. The second one, I fully agree.

It had potential but it was kinda fucked and dont have high reviews

and is pretty terrible at that. Alongside with being boring and having awful plot that leads nowhere. The only good thing about this pile of trash is cast

@@losthalo428 Salvation it Fucking great compare to Dark Fate!

@@redgun139 it's did but great John Conner.

And now we will never get it again. The new game is all we can look forward to now when it comes to the future war

Terminator 1 and 2 was a masterpiece Terminator 3 and 4 was ok Even Terminator SCC was ok But the rest is shit

They are all great

Rogue One A Star Wars Story is not a masterpiece it's a piece of trash

@@catpin lol

Not to be rude, but Genisys wasn't that bad nor was it the best, but I still like Terminator, T2, T3, and Terminator salvation a little better than Genisys, but Terminator Dark Fate is a piece of garbage that should have never been made.

I think all that was it's gears and joints grinding hard as heck, because one key thing the T800 has over the T-600 here is the T-800 having magnetic joints.

We can only hope my friend

That’s what what I would do if I directed the terminator films

first scene from terminator 5 extended into two more movies. Perfection.

then it would not be a terminator movie

@@OmegaKingHyperionPX9 why not? Future war with the machines sounds awesome.

The T-600 has to figure out if John was a terminator or human

Also the Terminator could not identify someone if turned around. Had to get a look at his face first.

It sitting there with a stick on moustache and a cravat, cup of eral grey, "excuse me old boy, you wouldn't have came across my legs would you?"

But 15 seconds later he shreds the boot off his feet like confetti. Very realistic

Yeah, yeah ... not only polite, but quiet also, since it must crawled towards him from somewhere, since it wasn't there when John crawled the same way few seconds before.

They weren't infiltration units.

@@robirvine6970 they were. The T600's were at times deployed with rubber skin, but that was not convincing

I agree but also the fact that it was significantly taller than the average human and it was really bulky looking compared to the other terminators.

@@RandomPerson-xo6yn It was like how old computers are much bigger than today's computers. The T600 has primitive intelligence, slower, and bulky compared to the T800 later in the movie.

It's basically a 7ft tall robot zombie

T800 maybe technically more superior to the T600, but the T600 looks more scarier and menacing than the T800, heck! it's even more bigger than the T800!

It just because the director tried to be close to those days' Bay's Transformers, so he created all robots bigger and scarier (for kids)

My dad smells like an old car engine.

@@Rahab111222 what lol

Maybe he's an terminator back in time😳

I mean judging by it having no legs and is trying to crawl it was just in an explosion of some sort so it would be dirty from dirt or debris

The dilapidated state also explains why they don't just grab the neck and squeeze instead of first throwing connor around. Chip malfunction.

Exactly

yep its beter than 3 for sure and ofcorse whay neter then all the others after it

@@johnyguitar258 I can kind of appreciate elements of 3 but I'd say 1, 2 and this film are the best in the series. As for Terminator Genytals and Dork Fart... omg whyyyyy?

Nah, the movie is mediocre. Exemplary my ass.

How I ranked the terminator movies: 1) T1 2) T2 3) Salvation 4) T3 5) Dark Fate 6) Genisys

Bruh thats actually funny af dam

It got Darth mauled

@@Nicholas_Chen_ mah wigga lmao

@@Nicholas_Chen_ everything is half off at this store

Can't divide t600 by 2...cuz we don't know the value of "t". Duh

Unfortunately him and the lighting guy were done professionally 😔

haha is this the movie that old meme yelling session was from? Anyways I really like the idea of Bale playing John Connor, and I think this movie had potential - feels like the start of the kind of trilogy where the 1st movie is a bit off but decent, the 2nd is the critical darling, and the 3rd is good but falls off a bit from the 2nd. IDK lol I'm probably just thinking of Batman because of Bale, but still.@@pilotwhaleproductions5880

No shit, Sherlock. At 0:45 the camera literally stops following the helicopter in order to have a "hidden cut", lol.

And I am pretty sure there is one at 1:04

@@Puschit1 That's correct, but in this case they at least tried to make it subtle.

One shot is the term. Not one take.

It's technically impressive but doesn't really make the scene inherently better. I didn't even notice until I read this comment. Most people don't notice. I personally found it a little disorienting.

Sound design is great as well.

Except for the T-800 scene, but I agree with everything else

Morgothos Disagree, it fits. There shouldn't be all these color palests in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

Thank Stan Winston, last film he ever worked on.

So many dorks making the same, stupid thrashed on comment.

Each of them also planned as a trilogy they immediatly scrapped. They should have stuck to their guns and made a sequel to this one, I would much rather have that.

Damn I just did

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

That hurts my soul

GrandSupremeDaddyo SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW

This is my favorite one I don't give a shit what anyone says

@@adf286 Ironic.

@Cameron Matlock someone with some taste

@@laneshirley3706 salvations your favourite when we have terminator 2😂😂 what a fucking joke

@@masterchief________605 lol

This movie had the best SFX out of all Terminator movies.

terry we need you to play dead

john lawful *director pays him 2.5 million dollars for playing a dead soldier in terminator salvation for a cameo

@@tonyboi5935 sign me up

Making my way downtown Walking fast Faces past And I'm here dead

@Activate Kruger "she needs some medical attention"

Yup, unlike Dark Fate which just shat on him and replaced him with some random other person to fulfill the exact same role except being less believable as a badass and a leader.

@@DeathBringer769 What is this 'Dark Fate' that you speak of? They'd never make a film that bad... would they?

Well he is Batman so ......

Plot armor.

It'd be a much shorter movie if it just grabbed him and twisted his head around.

Don't forget the one that pimp slapped Kyle Reese in the original.

@@bryant7542 The solution to that is to not have them grab him in the first place. This is just a cheap way of creating tension.

@@Mrvanderspank I agree, I think it undermines the tension to have the result being thrown, if they just left it at "this thing is really tough don't let it touch you" the tension might be higher, I like the part where he catches the arm with his leg, kinda a human leg v terminator arm moment, I think that contact is fine

More like "now I know why you cry"

Fuck those people They got what they deserved

You can't even get a quote right.

Dark Fate is better than this shit

I liked this movie when it came out. I just watched it again recently. I still think it held up

Would also be similar to transformers?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lmao

lmao

If it was a nuke, he likely would not have lived much longer. The gamma radiation exposure would have done him within days or weeks.

@@ericblair6984 he'd have to stay in that area yeah, the fallout would've killed him but he didn't

Me too. People were way too harsh about it!

Great movie

Same

Better than dawk flop

@@kaylen611 Dark Flopppie

I can totally imagine being slammed into a pretty solid expanse of metal would be _soooo_ invigorating...

Throwinator. XD

It's blended shots, there's nothing continuous about this.

I agree woth ya.

I know! Stan Winston design it.

And played Ken Miles in Ford v Ferrari

An American pyscho defending the city of Gotham against the invasion of killer robots, Bale for president!

@@mustacheoneday American Psycho... a hell of a great film!

Damn true man

When this came out, my theater showed Terminator and T2 before this. It was glorious. Best $20/ ticket I've spent

Now you can! Renting a theater is cheap these days.

I just got a 75inch. Not a movie theater, but damned good for my living room. Crank on my sound bar and were in business!!!

They did at in my hometown 1 room theater. Town’s people voted for it on for throwback week. It’s so awesome on the big screen. This was back in January 2022

That's apparently how Cameron got the idea. He had a dream/nightmare about a metal skeleton with glowing eyes crawling towards him while holding a knife.

Practical effects are ageless, because they are real. Dark Fate's CGI looks bad even for today's standards

Best green suit effects I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t even tell what was CG and what was practical!

@Boba Fett The actual best way in my opinion since you get the best of both worlds

Stan Winston also made the Animatronic T rex for Jurrasic Park with the TREX scene

@@rebel1717 The guy in the green suit was edited out. They were just controlling the puppet T-600, which is 100% real in every shot here.

Throwmenator?

Agree. I just wish the story wasn't so heavily focused on Marcus Wright. I liked the idea of him being like some sort of perfect infiltrator, but it just seemed like it was his story and not much else. If we'd had more scenes like this one and the story was more focused on the battles between the resistance and the terminators this might have been regarded as one of the best.

It's worse than a cutscene from Modern Warfare 3.

@@mct8888 call of duty is a pure shit.

@@mct8888 ok virgin

@@dynestis2875 He can't be a virgin... he got sexually abused by his uncle.

I agree. I just didn't like how the story was focused on the Marcus Wright character. Should have been more focused on battles/war between the resistance and the Terminators.

Oh shit i didnt even realize it did that

Sounds horrifying.

..and then throws him again.

I don't think that was a laugh, I that was the sound its arm was making from John forcing it back with his leg. This T-600 acts and sounds like it was almost ready for the junk yard whether John had dusted it with the M60 or not. By this point it was a toaster that had two arms and head.

@@robotbjorn4952 Oh god will tits stop making this type of comment already?

I was going to mention that too, but you, and a lot of other people said it already. It's not just this movie though. All super powered baddies do the same thing.

Technically, I read that T-600's are actually not able to kill humans without their weapons because their cpu is too primitive. But obviously he is engaged in a melee fight here, which should be beyond its abilities. Maybe first sign of learning and so still try & error.

In the case of this mangled T600 I'd say smashing your chosen victim is potentially a pretty good way to incapacitate them given that holding on and slowly squeezing their limbs might give them chance to shoot you in your not particularly bullet proof melon.