Johnkew Podcast Episode 4: How's the Spin Holding Up On The Ruby?

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John and Eddie talk about current events, new paddles, and spin loss on the Ruby compared to other paddles.
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0:00 Introduction/Stories: New indoor pickleball facilities in Colorado; John to KC for AWP Conference
5:17 The Dink Awards
16:09 Gear Gossip: new adjustments on Six Zero Infinity Series
21:28 11SIX24 Hurache-X
24:49 New Six Zero Elongated Paddle
26:50 Neonic Flow
30:15 Hudef Mage
32:01 How does paddle shape affect sweet spot?
34:58 Thrive Paddles
47:20 ProLite K2 Power
51:09 Spin Testing Methodology
1:02:22 Gear of the Week: Reset Paddle Spray
1:08:59 Pickleball training ball return net?
1:12:13 Q&A: Does the Ruby retain its spin?
1:21:49 Any change in power or pop with used paddles?
1:26:29 Wrap-up
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@davidparker7156 5 месяцев назад

Curious on the spin loss isn't it better maybe to look at the percentage loss instead of just a pure number? So for example the Ruby would have a 15 percent loss, gear box 11 percent loss, Black ace 18 percent loss.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Really good point

@MattBertuzzi 4 месяца назад

@@johnkewpickleball median 17% spin loss @ 3 months. reasonable

@zachcarmichael699 4 месяца назад

50% loss on that Selkirk Power Air though 😬

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Love that you're starting a podcast!

@joem6010 4 месяца назад

I built my own rebounder using an OSB board as the hitting surface backed with some 2x4 framing to stiffen it up. It is supported by a stand up base that attaches on the sides that allows me to adjust the angle of the rebounder. I attached some 2mm EVA foam to fhe face of the rebounder which quiets it a bit and adds a little extra rebound. I have not experimented with thicker EVA but I figure there is some sweet spot for max rebound, after which going thicker may have the opposite effect. The adjustable angle is key because a slight upward angle will make some drills more realistic with the balls coming back to you with a little bit of loft instead of immediately dipping downward. My current rebounder is 4'x4' and is set up for 1'below the net and 3' above the net.

@2musiclover534 4 месяца назад

Liked. In terms of spin decay over time, it would be very interesting to test the Proton with its lifetime warranty on the spin coating. The fact that a couple of pros have used the same paddle for months is intriguing.

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Love the idea of combining your protocols to craft a standard for spin rate.

@brianbanks3044 5 месяцев назад

i have noticed a noticeable difference between my 3 month old Ruby (I play 5-6 times a week 2-3 hours per session) and a brand new Ruby..I can definitely feel the difference with my hand on the smoothness on the face compared to the edges where the edge guard stops the ball from hitting in that area.....the older one still has good spin but not compared to a New Ruby....i have 3 of them now and rotate them so they will all wear down slower and I get more life out of all of them as a group

@erinsmith8702 4 месяца назад

I wanted to love Hurache-X but it brought back my shoulder pain..However, adding the hesacore grip + overgrip has helped.

@jimwaldemarsen472 5 месяцев назад

Great Podcast. I really like your format. Sounds like with your upcoming retreat with the other content creators could really put Thrive on the map. Great decision by the owner bringing you guys out. I'm looking forward to hearing more about Thrive. I really like the fact that they are seemingly close to the Six Zero lines.

@harryhoople1684 4 месяца назад

I appreciate the table describing spin lifetime. I heard that there are different players doing spin evaluation playing varying cumulative times during the month under different environmental conditions with one sample of a paddle. My conclusions were: 1. all peel-ply surfaces lose spin at about the same rate 2. don't read too much into whether a peel-ply paddle's rank was 1,2 3, or 4. 3. Selkirk's spray on grit loses spin at a much greater rate than peel-ply surfaces

@jeffoyog1099 4 месяца назад

Love the idea of coming up with standards for paddle reviews, especially spin methodology. I also think it would be useful to take temperature into account. I have noticed that during the colder months, outdoors, my Power Air does not get the same amount of spin or dwell when it is cold.

@Metow677 4 месяца назад

What would you recommend for cleaning a ruby?

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Loving the great gossip

@seegarsmkr 5 месяцев назад

Something I am curious regarding spin, it is paramount that not 1 month vs 3 months but how many hours of game/drill play is involved. With the golf analogy you may spend more on club outlay but they will last years not months. There are now companies that sell quality clubs for $400 that can last years.

@Mriamrody 4 месяца назад

A good rebounder, if your ok with trashing some balls, is to stack cinder blocks to whatever height youl like, and hit against that. It has a much greater energy return when you hit hard against it, and it's quieter than hitting against drywall or a board. Unless you smooth or paint over it though, it will chew up balls. ke

@larrykonis967 4 месяца назад

This is a hot topic on some boards. Thank you for addressing it. I suppose the upshot is that we need to replace paddles more often than we’d prefer at this point. Even still, 1k per year for a hobby/sport doesn’t seem unreasonable. I noticed my first release Ruby has dropped appreciably, so I’ll probably replace next month.

@bryanyee7 4 месяца назад

You should play with the Proton Nanotec surface paddles for 3 months to gauge average spin loss rate on those.

@ThiccBoi23 5 месяцев назад

2 months in with mine (Ruby) with about 52 hrs of play time. Felt like 100 grit sandpaper when I got it and now pretty smooth. Can't say for certain but feels like less spin but still pretty decent.

@EddieK-PB 5 месяцев назад

which paddle?

@rdelnaja2558 5 месяцев назад

@@EddieK-PB Ruby

@ThiccBoi23 5 месяцев назад

Sorry edit to say ruby@@EddieK-PB

@Formisdestiny 4 месяца назад

Same with mine, certainly in the sweet spot the surface is very smooth now and I have a noticeable drop off and spin potential, kind of disappointing. My paddle also weighs 8.6 with an over grip so it’s a little heavier than I would’ve wanted, With more swing weight than I would really like especially at the kitchen but I love the Feel and at least initially this spin potential was awesome. I came from the Pickleball Apes Energy paddle, which I definitely enjoyed but comparing new paddle to new paddle I preferred the ruby except for the weight.

@BigRed22_KC 4 месяца назад

@@Formisdestiny 3 weeks on a Ruby. What do you plan to do? Keep playing with it or buy a new one or buy a different paddle?

@Thereisnospoon88 4 месяца назад

Thank you for all the great podcasts and reviews. 🎉 I’m curious to get your thoughts on plushness and feel. For a long time I thought this was due to different paddle faces and tech. But let’s be honest the tech is pretty similar these days. After suffering from tennis elbow, I have found what really has more impact on feel is whatever is being used to create the hexagon/trapezoid shape that lays on top of the paddle handle. This can be rigid foam (stiff feel - real feel the ball. More vibrations), stiff Eva foam (less vibration but still feel the ball of the face) soft Eva foam (plush - easy on the arm), plastic, wood (harsh feel), etc… Curious to get your thoughts! Thanks again for your reviews!

@johnkewpickleball 4 месяца назад

Really good observation, and the composition of the handle isn't something I've put a lot of thought into, as it relates to vibration damping. I do think the handle is part of a chain that includes the surface material, core, weight, perimeter foam, etc., which plays into vibration control. The new Gamma Airbender's rubber neck insert does a good job of removing vibration, from my initial testing

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Thoughts on how the x40s are inconsistent with hole drilling?

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 4 месяца назад

any chance getting the RPM for the Maverix power 16 paddle. Thanks

@KeilikoGreg 4 месяца назад

Hey John - enjoying the new podcast. Keep up the good work! Where are you guys going to be playing in las vegas?

@consciouswebdesign396 3 месяца назад

I play with the 006 Double Black Diamond 16mm. I replace the paddle monthly due to spin drop off.

@chriscochran7069 4 месяца назад

Loving all of the information as a newish player to Pickleball, Is there an estimated release date for the Azul?

@tonycapone4803 4 месяца назад

When can we expect the release of the paddle this is Developed and designed by John?

@vicentemarcoslopez4953 3 месяца назад

Hi JOHN Let's see if you can help me, I have a big problem with paddles. I currently have Ruby 6.0 to play singles, and it works great for me, it is the best paddle for singles for me, I find it super stable, and I notice that the ball goes where I want. On the other hand, to play doubles, I cannot move it on the net, it feels very heavy and I have little maneuverability. and then I use a 16mm perseus and I notice that I can move it better. Do you think there would be a paddle that can be adapted for both modalities for those things I'm looking for? The Perseus individually I notice that the balls do not go where I want, as it is more unstable. So I'm currently not sure what to do, do you recommend something? I'm also waiting to buy the new Perseus on April 16. but I don't know if the same thing will happen to me as with the old ones, being "gen3" I have very good opinions about them. What can you tell me about all the sermon I have given you? I'm sorry and thank you

@bryanyee7 5 месяцев назад

As somebody who lives around Arvada, CO I am wondering if this "Relish" place opening up in Louisville has an official website?

@LearnAtMyExpense 4 месяца назад

Definitely would be very helpful if you can test your Ruby again in a month or two or three. Perhaps it's possible that kevlar has a 3 month spin loss but from that point on the % of loss per month drops significantly? We can only hope. You can confirm : ) I ordered my Ruby on the 6th and it's still in transit - really looking forward to it.

@iugradmark 5 месяцев назад

Wow! Fantastic podcast. I have even more faith in your numbers and methodologies. I will be curious if you, Braydon and Chris all determine that the new radar gun does a good job on measuring spin. Regarding loss of spin over time, I wonder if after a bit more testing you can just say in a general sense that if a paddle is made a certain way and with certain materials, here is the slope of spin loss you will generally experience.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Good point; I think that we're close to being able to make generalizations that you can expect X amount of RPM loss over X amount of time for X surface. And I'm kind of hoping that the new radar gun doesn't work out, so I don't have to invest $3k in new equipment 😅

@iugradmark 5 месяцев назад

@@johnkewpickleball Thanks again. Regarding the radar, I think all it may do is make the time to do the tests shorter if I understand what Chris and Braydon are saying. So if it works, will just validate the work done n with cameras so not sure it is a necessity. Also, I think Chris’s comment regarding the importance of spin numbers is a good one. Are we reaching a point at least for current technology that the spin capabilities are all starting to get grouped at a high enough level that we don’t need to worry about it like we did?

@jayrobinson3385 Месяц назад

Hey John Great reviews love watching them Have you hit the proton carbon fibre with the blue edge guard sitting on your wall ? Just wondering you thoughts can’t find any reviews

@robertbenjamin5230 4 месяца назад

Another great and particularly informative show. I was wondering what happens if you use current erasers on non CF paddle faces, specifically Kevlar and fiberglass? Do they just not clean as well on those or might there be some damage inflicted? i can't wait to hear about the retreat when you get back!

@shelbylangston329 4 месяца назад

Although I may be wrong, if memory serves me,Rhino may have done the Kevlar first, or at least the same time. however, since they are a major sports company, when I contacted them, I couldn't find anyone that knew anything about pickleball..and they used the blue version also..

@giffy5775 4 месяца назад

Please compare the Gearbox Power Pro with the Legacy Pro for power and spin.

@el10tufo 5 месяцев назад

Speaking of grip circumference, are there any brands beside gearbox with smaller grips? Several women I play with have smaller hands and fell the majority of paddles are uncomfortable for them.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

ProKennex paddles also have very small grips

@lynnwillden9171 4 месяца назад

great podcast. On RPM loss, I think it would be most telling if you showed percent spin loss during your spin loss analysis. If you do it that way, it shows you how good the Ruby and Pro Power really are and how bad the Hyperion really is at spin loss. It would be great if you could somehow join with others to add to your data analysis on spin loss. It is very helpful. Thanks

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

I'm not sold on the edgless at all. Just got a new dbd today. Stoked.

@tbrophwg 4 месяца назад

John, any details from Thrive when all of these new paddles will be available? Nothing is updated on their website. Thanks for the great work you do.

@johnkewpickleball 4 месяца назад

Not yet, but we’ll find out next weekend!

@hawker358 3 месяца назад

Great info on spin loss. I play about 12 hours a week and spin quite a bit. My question is would a mid priced paddle outperform an expensive paddle that is a couple months old? In other words if my budget is $600 per year would 4x $150 paddles (replaced every 3 months) spin better on average than 2 x $300 paddles replaced every 6 months?

@davidallott5826 4 месяца назад

@johnkewpickleball do you know when the "new" versions of the 6.0 Infinitys with the increased twist weight will be released to the public?

@Firesong4ng 5 месяцев назад

Should try the GRUVN MUVN 16-H, nice elongated handle and nice shaped paddle face

@PickleballStudio 5 месяцев назад

Neat! The 8 serves on both sides makes a good amount of sense. I might have to dabble with that a bit. This is something I wish the industry would get better about (grit consistency with RCF paddles). That's also why I think the tests are good to give a general ball park, but shouldn't be an end all be all. At least until companies can guarantee extremely high consistency.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

For sure, I mostly have noticed a discrepancy between faces on prototypes, but also occasionally on production models. How’s the spin holding up on your Gearbox PPE? Would love to know if you’re seeing similar attrition rates.

@PickleballStudio 4 месяца назад

I’ll have to check mine. That’s a good test because I used mine for a similar amount of time.

@thirtydayjeff 5 месяцев назад

Tyra hurrican blk is always dressed to the 9s

@jonathanmanh 5 месяцев назад

@johnkew How many hours do you play a week/month/3 months to get a better calibration of how long paddles might last for someone with lesser playtime?

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

8-12 hrs per week

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Why would you want the twist weight to be higher?

@lesterma1608 5 месяцев назад

6zero has mentioned that a paddle eraser should not be used to clean ball dust, then what should be done to keep the face clean?

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

They said that just for the Ruby, so the Reset spray can be used, or just a damp microfiber cloth

@its_maxbro 5 месяцев назад

John! Do you or anyone in the comments know the best way to clean my new 6.0 BD infinity? It's a fiberglass face so I've NOT used my carbon fiber eraser that I was using on my DBD. I think i'm gonna try the cleaner spray, but if someone else has a better way, or a way they use currently

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

The eraser is fine to use on the BD Infinity. It's also a peel-ply texture, like the double black diamond. And no worries about fibers coming through

@derekf1552 4 месяца назад

Great podcast John. Question how would you rank the Thrive Azul to the Ruby and the Pro Line Energy, putting them in a 1,2,3, order and why. At basicaly the same price as the Ruby I think that would be the better paddle. Thought?? Thanks!

@johnkewpickleball 4 месяца назад

I haven’t had enough time with the Azul to really compare it to the others. I do plan to eventually review it though

@derekf1552 4 месяца назад

@@johnkewpickleball is the Azul available yet? I don't see it on their site...

@metal_bloo 5 месяцев назад

How much do you play each month though for the spin loss. Do you play 3 times a week? 5 times a week? On average

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Average 8-12 hours per week

@Metow677 4 месяца назад

hitting off center allows for the ball to roll across more of the face

@rdelnaja2558 5 месяцев назад

I got my Selkirk Ivanka Power Air as a warranty as well for the same reason. Handed the warranty paddle to my wife.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Hahaha, how’s your wife like it?

@rdelnaja2558 4 месяца назад

@@johnkewpickleball She think it's looks pretty.

@ggsd4903 4 месяца назад

Wow so an HOUR & 13 MIN IN THEY FINALLY! get to the ruby spin. Jesus lol.

@nickbyrd1027 4 месяца назад

There are time stamps that allow you to skip directly to it...

@brianbanks3044 5 месяцев назад

i wonder if there is a device out there that can have the same swing every time so spin rates can be consistent no matter who uses the machine....similar to the "Iron Byron" that golf uses to test golf clubs.....so many variables if a human does it

@brianbanks3044 5 месяцев назад

i think a good material for a pickleball training return wall would be to use a trampoline type material to rebound the ball back to the hitter...the ball is too light to use a net and a wooden board would just be too loud

@EddieK-PB 5 месяцев назад

I agree - I tried one like that, which was made for lacrosse and it seemed to work well. The dimensions and height weren’t right though for PB. The search continues!

@mariar4624 4 месяца назад

Ruby is 👍🏻👍🏻

@kento1957 3 месяца назад

The PowerAir will go glass smooth within 3 months if you play 3+ times per week.

@mlee9049 5 месяцев назад

Hi John, in regards to the longevity of the honeycomb core. What are your thoughts? I'm referring to its rebound power after being continually compressed over time. Any idea on its average lifespan? To start, let's think the most popular thickness and material type. Thanks, great video. You two make an awesome combo.

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Great question, and the lifespan of a PP core is something that I don't think any of have been paying attention to (outside of core corruption issues). I think that's because there are other failure points that happen before the core goes, like the surface texture, and disbonding issues between the core and the surface layers. But like we mentioned in the video, historical testing of power and pop would be useful

@mlee9049 5 месяцев назад

@johnkewpickleball Thank you for your reply. I agree that the historical data of power and pop would be very helpful. But also a lot of work! I wonder if the manufacturers keep or have access to this data. I'd like to think that the core material suppliers test and keep compression degradation data.

@christophepaquot3562 5 месяцев назад

Regarding the reset spray, the company says it softens the ball dust which is plastic so it is easier to remove it. Peel ply or paint grit is basically plastic too no? So has anyone tried applying it 50 times or whatever and look under the microscope to see if anything happens to the face?

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Might be worth looking into, but I don't think there should be any problem because the peel ply is cured and much more durable than raw plastic

@Arx9845 5 месяцев назад

How much to play indoors?

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

Running rate is $10/hr per person for doubles

@KennyNissel 3 месяца назад

What about proton spin loss

@johnkewpickleball 3 месяца назад

I haven’t played consistently enough with it to say for sure, but so far so good

@kimleith1378 4 месяца назад

On the topic of "spin loss" I play with a guy who plays a LUXX. He's smooths out the sweet spot in a month on his paddles. Went through 4 in 4months. My GB Pwr pro took a close to 250 balls off my machine to break in. Also "sounds" different than 3 others I've played against. John have you heard anything on the release of the "grit sheet" that I've heard from Chris about.?

@johnkewpickleball 4 месяца назад

Yes, I know that a company making replaceable RCF texture sheets is USAP approved and coming to market soon. Reload - Chris talked about it on his pod

@kimleith1378 4 месяца назад

Good news. Must be waiting on a patent??

@jsn1080 4 месяца назад

Curious to know what the spin testing would show on the effects a carbon paddle eraser used on a paddle that was never played with? Separately, paying $800 plus for 3-4 paddles a year is absurd. This will be the exception for sure rather than the rule among the recreational athletes. I can't think of any sport played for recreation where that much money is spent on a single piece of primary equipment in one year. I expect prices will come down as more manufacturers continue to enter the space increasing options with relatively fewer competitive advantages between brands and thus driving retail prices down. Lastly, I don't think the Selkirk spin loss is an anomaly. The quality doesn't match the $ paid IMO.

@OrganicHealer 5 месяцев назад

proton is the future

@EddieK-PB 4 месяца назад

IDK, but their nanotac surface is impressive.

@amit212543 5 месяцев назад

I like this cohost. He’s got that NPR voice.

@consumerreviews9082 4 месяца назад

Wow someone who listens to NPR and probably believes all the lies.

@amit212543 4 месяца назад

@@consumerreviews9082 Yeah I listen to their movie/tv podcast and they tried to tell me the new avatar tv show is good.

@bradlja9 5 месяцев назад

Eddie rocking the PSU gear. #weare🙌

@tonym753 5 месяцев назад

The huarache paddle is no longer on govx

@EddieK-PB 5 месяцев назад

Oh man! Too bad. Got lucky I guess…. Maybe when they get back in stock??

@nickbyrd1027 4 месяца назад

@@EddieK-PB I am also a civil servant on GovX, so I reached out to the owner to check-in to this.

@silberfarb 4 месяца назад

Joes KC in the gas station. Hands down.

@billkennedy401 5 месяцев назад

I was a very early purchaser of the DBD & eagerly looked forward to Ruby's release. I was disappointed in Ruby

@brianbanks3044 5 месяцев назад

i had the 14mm DBD and went to the Ruby and love it...not sure if you had 14 or 16mm

@billkennedy401 5 месяцев назад

@@brianbanks3044 16 to 16 Don't get me wrong _ it's okay but, for the cost, I should have just bought another DBD. I got mine in December of 2022 & crushed the core in March. Dale, (the owner) told me about Ruby in April of 2023 so there was 8 months of anticipation. I was just expecting Ruby to be as impressive, compared to the new generation of paddles, as the DBD was when it came out. (Dale had also given me a discount code, (because I crushed the DBD,) but, when I tried to use it, it didn't work and he told me I waited too long to use it.) I guess what I meant was that, for the price, there are better paddles than Ruby. Currently I'm waiting for the Ronbus Ripple to hit the market _ since about the time I heard about Ruby.

@MattyRut2922 4 месяца назад

I’m strongly in the camp that paddles need to last longer without significant performance drops! Nobody’s sending me paddles for free.

@terogan 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, just do one podcast/round table recording and all play it on your own channels with your own openings and conclusions.

@gg80108 4 месяца назад

Tyson could move up if he doesn't slip back into the "tank" top.

@kendahomie 5 месяцев назад

The paddletek tempest wave 3 is the only paddle whose spin will stand the rest of time. You should review it

@rdelnaja2558 5 месяцев назад

So replacing a paddle every 3months between 96 - 120 hrs of total gameplay

@tonym753 5 месяцев назад

In my experience the paddles get a little softer and a little less spin. I don’t know that it affects my play at all, but I do tend to get a new paddle after about 6 months. There are real good thermoformed paddles for sale under $100, so that’s not too bad. I tried a $26 juciao paddle and didn’t like it

@rdelnaja2558 4 месяца назад

@@tonym753 I am not sure what your play style is like. I serve hard and I put a lot of spin. I play around 9hrs a week which puts me at 100hrs in 12 weeks or 3months. I do notice performance loss in paddles. As a tennis player you're not dropping a $100+, instead it's $20-$25 to restring your tennis racquet.

@bkbk6590 5 месяцев назад

It's all about the peel ply right? No matter what the face material is if it's using peel ply it's going to wear the same as other peel ply paddle surfaces.

@lesterma1608 5 месяцев назад

It’s the resin that wears down and erodes, did you think that with all the impact and abrasion the ball causes on the face it would never wear out?

@johnkewpickleball 5 месяцев назад

To an extent, yes, but there's also the issue of how the resin in the peel ply bonds to the facing materials. The big question when they started using peel ply on 3K woven cloth was whether or not the resin would bond as well to a textured surface versus a flat unidirectional fiber sheet. But it seems to be working just fine

@robertbenjamin5230 4 месяца назад

maybe i jumped the gun and you sort of covered this in the latter part of the podcast