That’s your sentimentality at work. You get into your 40s, so long as you’re happy with your life, the friends you lost along the way (particularly if they sucked) are nothing but dead history.
At the time they both needed each other so early on in their lives and careers so succeed and become an amazing songwriting partnership and live band, creating many of the best, exciting important, unforgettable songs of their era. One without the other at that time wouldn’t have probably got anywhere especially in the way they did together. They together just worked beautifully musically for a 5yr period giving some of the greatest songs. Together lyrically and musically they complimented each other’s individually creative style perfectly. Although at that time being personally very different people and very different creatures it was hard and hand many strains being together daily for long periods, being in a and together is very hard, you learn everything about each other and many foibles. Many would struggle and end up leaving and walking away. Which was a good thing, writing so many classic songs to be remembered by so many so fondly having a detrimental effect on music and life.
Morrissey released Viva Hate only six months after Strangeways. He had obviously been planning to get out long before they split. He was done. Some bands get back together. The Smiths never will. They’ve both got too much class.
The Smiths came and went so fast, but their legacy and what they gave to us then and continue to give to us and future generations is a timeless gift. They were together making beautiful music when they were supposed to…🙏
Mmmmm….. underplaying it there a little I think Johnny. They’ve both been dining out on the sheer greatness of what they created together for enough years for it to matter more than that.
I agree it was greatness but at the end of the day you are talking about 5 years of his life. He has been collaborating and doing other stuff for 30+ years. I have the impression Johnny looks forward not back.
@@mcfch9625 I wouldn’t measure the immense impact of the Smiths by the number of years they were together any more than I would for any other great and short lived bands. They both still write great new material (profusely so in Morrissey’s case) , both still play the Smiths’ songs live that they clearly love but the years of growing up have only seen them grow apart. It happens! Whatever happened to accepting our differences??
if we’re honest none of us have friends in later adulthood like those we had as young adults aged 17-25 before you become self conscious about ego, wealth and all the things that bring about macho alpha male behaviour. i make friends with guys now (aged 43) but the closeness doesnt compare to the guys i knew when i was single and awkward.
I recently read Morrissey and Marr were asked to reunite the Smiths, even without Andy Rourke. Morrissey was apparently good to go but Marr wasn’t. Hopefully they do decide to reunite and tour and make all of us fans happy as hell!
This. Last thing I need to see is Greg Ginn bury the hatchet towards Henry Rollins long enough to drag a 21st century edition of Black Flag around the clubs again.
@@cespo77 nobody knows who the smiths are outside of the UK. there isn’t much demand or intrigue outside of that. You make it out like they are oasis and could do 50 nights at wembley (exaggeration) and then do a football stadium tour of america and the rest of the world. there is no intrigue or bandwagon the smiths are just a band of there time and Marr was a good writer
I love The Smiths more than most, I don't want a tour reunion, I'd love them to just meet up and have a chat. Also Electronic! Oh I wished they'd made more music, it's aged beautifully!
His facial expressions with those comments do not come off genuine. I like Johnny's take more than snarky Morrissey's comments over the years but they both have to kinda get over some stuff...The constant commentary about the two would finally go by the wayside...just my 2 cents.
They were young, they really shared a bond cause of music, but waters run REALLY deep so of course they'll both try to play it off as if it were no big deal, but the smiths was equally a contirbution of each person's soul there. You had all of them in the studio sweating, bleeding, really giving it their all to create something special that we know as "The Smiths", you know? Bands fight over egos, drugs, girlfriends, pride, emotions, booze, all the time. At some point you kind of have to. You can't be that good if you're not human. Moz was the poet pouring his soul and Marr was the quiet guy coming up with amazing riffs out of nowhere
Unfortunately this is what happens to the majority of bands. They make 2 or 3 amazing albums and breakup. People get older and want to take the band in a different direction, the landscape music changes, money, agents and sycophants are pissing in your ear. It's a shame that band breakups are messy and next thing you know it's been 20 or 30 years since you've spoken to the people that you knew back when you were broke together and created these amazing songs with.
Sometimes the "starving artist" phase in an artists career seems to be the only one that resonates with the general public. When they get famous and have money, the fire in the belly is gone, and lyrics about limousines and private jets aren't relatable.
I think Marr is a genius. He like a true professional acknowledges that much as he is responsible for a very integral part in writing The Smiths' catalogue, he and Morrissey were a brilliant unit in what they created. The least Moz can do is do the same in return. Marr is deathly underrated as a musician. One of the greatest.
@@rileyjones3703 I feel like Morrissey is honest about the greatness of his bandmates... well, Mike Joyce wasn't some great drummer let's be real. But look what he said about Andy after he died. He gave better words than anyone! If something happened to Johnny, I'd think he'd give him proper tribute.
How the f**k is he ‘underrated’ ? 🔔 🔚. His genius is recognised but the bloke can’t go 5 minutes without mentioning Morrissey. It was four decades ago move on.
They built something indestructable and they did it together. However, the Smiths consisted of four members and ALL were important, all contributed, all were fantastic.
@@ironclaw79 reunion to me or a tour isn't important to me, just if they could reconcile or patch things up before they die. It would be nice to even see a studio collaboration again, but to expect the same magic after all this time ⏲️ 🤔 probably not
jonny doesn't mention morrisey in the conversations i had with him in London last year at my sons wedding he is focused on his family his friends and his career 😊
the Gallagher bros.. I was always able to see the two of them figuring it out and getting back together as a band. Morrissey and Marr.. don't see it happening. not in this lifetime
Why would he? People read too deeply into it. After years of rejection & essentially cut out of someone’s like… I mean he tried talking with morrissey a few years ago & it ended with Morrissey basically not calling him back. He emotionally moved on. Plus Morrissey had pretty nasty & not nice things to say about Andy & Mike over the years because they didn’t accept the deal morrissey had made for them behind their backs with smith’s management . Now Andy has passed I hear morrissey reached out to Johnny but Johnny is like ‘oh now you want to talk, now Andy is dead’… fk you.
I’ve loved the Smiths since the 80s but never once did I think Morrissey would be fun to hang out with lol. It makes no sense to me that he longs for the England of the past considering so many of his songs reference the abuse that was commonplace in his childhood
You're partially right - however seems to me he yearns for England more to be a magical peaceful utopia , without any kind of v..lence or a..se And in this sense he realizes that bringing in people from countries with even more v..lence toward w.men and c..ldren ............ will absolutely NOT achieve that ! Not to mention England has the highest population density outside of City-States like Monaco or the Netherlands in Europe ....... for sensitive people high density is very very toxic.....
@@thescarkat because he clearly explains in that short clip that it doesn't matter. Did you watch the clip? Anyone ANYONE who's been in a band understands this... be it a successful band or a band that goes nowhere. The Smiths ended 35+ yeara ago.. and one moves on. Marr doesn't want to be defined by one thing in his life that happened realistically in a blink of an eye. You had to be there. I wasn't - you weren't. He doesn't want or need to go back... espeically to rekindle a now sullied relationship with a guy he doesn't know or like. That's why not. Read. Between. The. Fricking. Lines.
Politics is keeping them apart, which is tragic as humanity and music is far more important and should bring them together. There are millions of people waiting to be introduced to the Smiths whose lives will be enriched, as would the World.
He never moved on if he is always talking about them. I feel Morrissey suffered and grieved when they broke up, but once he got over it he was never going back, especially when his solo career took off.
That's the power of music and/or specifically youth/teenage memories Same with Oasis , sure a lot of good songs , but i would have preferred for them to not reunite
It has to be a bit difficult for him knowing he quit The Smiths because of Moz then to see him have a successful solo career..thinking if hed stayed what could have been.
Nope. I very much doubt it. Marr is pretty clear - it happened, it was good at the time, for a bit - but go back now? After what Morrissey has become? No way. You've clearly never been in a band and don't understand the dnamics.
@@robin_holden indeed I think you can count ex-colleagues/managers/labels etc who have come out of Morrissey's orbit with a positive tale to tell on one hand... at a push.... No labels want to work with him for all these reasons...
Pretty sure Morrissey reached out to try and reunite a few years back and I believe Johnny didn't even respond or maybe he just said no (I can't recall). So there's that lol
They were extremely close friends and companions at one time. He IS doing fine without Morrissey, and the other way 'round, but of course on some level it still hurts and they still miss each other. I think Johnny reminds himself of why it all had to end. Morrissey is not an easy person to work with, to put it mildly, and their politics are not compatible, to the extent that that matters. I don't think we will see a reunion, and while Morrissey and Marr get the most attention, especially Rourke was integral to the Smiths - now he is gone. Those basslines are nothing short of amazing, and while others can and have learned to perform them, well... it just wouldn't be the same.
Oh of course, the Ego will always try to protect itself and it's integrity or whatever it considers "integrity". Pain is pain. Sometimes suppressed, sometimes repressed, and sometimes expressed. Morrissey is a contrarian. His views are very difficult to compliment. They are darkly cynical, and they don't suit everyone's taste.
People who love The Smiths could never explain to people who don't love The Smiths what an unbelievable band they were. The Smiths song catelogue could make most artists weep. But better to leave it where it is. No point dragging up the past just because 👍 FYI I bloody love the smiths ❤
All musicians do . Not to the same extent however. And some classical ones are probably a bit more authentic , because they don't have to sell music videos with latest hair styles and clothes and shoes to teenagers
Because Morrissey rejected him when Johnny met up with him to reunite the Smiths 15 or so years ago. Morrissey is definitely more sincere and honest when it comes to the truth
@@cespo77 wait, that happened??? I know that: Marr mentioned "reaching out several times" to Morrissey only to be shunned in some way or another... so he said he doesn't try anymore... this was from some interview in the early part of the 00's And then when Sire(Warner Bros?) put out there Double CD best of the Smith's release somewhere around the same time, those two supposedly "collaborated" on the album design and track listing and perhaps remixing or remastering of the songs. Which if I remember the context of where I read that correctly, they got along with each other well for that. But again, I remember seeing that Best of the Smith's in Best Buy when I was CD shopping so prob 20 years ago ...lol, I had heard Coachella or something had offered the some insane $20million to play or something... but I never heard Marr himself wanted to do it and approached Morrissey!
@@matthewmaurysmith2486 Well Marr would be the only person who knows all the facts. All I know is they met up at a pub and Marr asked him to get the band back together and Morrissey politely declined. Again, only Morrissey and Marr would know if this story is true.
While The Smiths were fantastic, that kind of band could only last for so long. Marr's careless attitude is a sign of what his music is, he kinda doesn't care about it. Morrissey's pretentious attitude makes it so most of the time you're made to believe that Morrissey is an absolute genius whenever he releases something, when in reality it's just average at best. They both have good stuff, and trash bin material, but Morrissey has more of both. I for one, dislike both of them for very different reasons. Marr is constantly trying to distance himself from Morrissey's bad press (when he hasn't worked with him for almost 40 years), and the Morrissey is constantly trying to be edgy and comes off as a r-word instead of a smart guy making an original statement. The fact that both of them cannot live without letting know the press about them is the worst thing about both of them.
We. the fans of the Smiths put these guys on the Map. Without us, they could have been nobodies. Get back together for us. We made you! My opinion, of course.
I believe Johnny let's his libtardation get in the way. Morrissey is very outspoken about wokeism and appears to be 99.9% against it, while Marr embraces the b.s.
@@urosmarjanovic663 lol, something tells me he doesn't lose any sleep there. Marr was my first guitar idol and his early playing in the Smith's had/has a HUGE effect on my playing. But, in comparison, Morrissey words and his solo stuff have had an even bigger effect. But , that's cool cuz it's not a contest!!!
We really acting like Morrissey's solo career is anything to rave about 😂 oh what Morrissey would have given to have had an any bit impactful solo career.
@@timhall3575 you serious???? How many albums has Morrissey sold ? How many sold out tours has he had ? Marr has had being ding what in all this time ??? Maybe you need to get eyes away from msm lol
Marr is a nobody, a c-list guy in a long forgotten band. Morrissey was the star of the Smiths, and has had a much more prolific and admired solo career than Marr.
I recently read Morrissey and Marr were asked to reunite the Smiths, even without Andy Rourke. Morrissey was apparently good to go but Marr wasn’t. Hopefully they do decide to reunite and tour and make all of us fans happy as hell!
