That's all I've heard during men's skating - "He doesn't have the quad, so....." or "He just can't seem to develop enough power to pull off the quad, so his technical difficulty score won't allow for gold." It's pretty disturbing to know that, unless you're a skater who can pull off four revolutions in mid-air, you're essentially written off - even if you have the best choreography and artistry in your skating routine. It's about a lot more than jumps, if you ask me.
I know right? I watched the men's skating competition last olympic games and I was shocked at how different the skater behaved before and after he did his jumps. Whatever he did before them looked panicked and stressed and after he was so free.
It’s bullshit. I’ve watched figure skating since I was a small child falling in love with it, because it was like dancing to me. Such a deep love for the sport that I dabbled in it a little myself. Always excited to see the costumes and hear the music. Now, these kids out here don’t look to be enjoying themselves. Most of them look terrified, and it reflects in their rigidness, just to get through their skating. All this jumping shit is killing the beauty of the sport. 😔
We should be clear that in this competition both the gold and bronze medalists didn't land quads and while the fourth place skater did perform three quad toe loops he didn't perform any triple axels. I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to think it was the missing quad that cost Johnny but thats just not the case. I'm also just generally skeptical that quads have ruined the sport even back under the 6.0 system Johnny wouldn't have stood a chance against Yagudin for example and on the one hand that had a lot to do with the quad but on the other Yagudin was a legitimately beautiful skater. And today when I think about the most beautiful skilled skaters and spinners yes Jason Brown does come to mind and yes he is badly disadvantaged by not doing hard jumps but I also think of skaters like Yuzuru Hanyu, Javier Fernandez, Patrick Chan, Tatsuki Machida all of whom perform or performed (depending on who's retired) programs that are much more complex than this with several quads. Hell even Daisuke Takahashi (the guy who you're all probably thinking should have lost to Johnny here) eventually got his quad back and that didn't stop him from being one of the most nuanced and expressive skaters ever full stop. I guess I'm just not really buying this idea that quads have ruined the sport. I for one have had no trouble finding beautiful skaters who are also able to keep up with the sport athletically.
The only thing he blew, and it was a slight "blew," was that one sit spin. Everything else WAS flawless. He got dinged for not doing any quads and IMHO should have gotten a perfect score for artistry.
cat in ponderland I totally agree with you but.. he has more dance then skating tricks he has to change a lot of things like different tricks instead of doing a triple axel, spinning doesn’t include as a trick in the skating community.
This was an exquisite performance, despite the little bobble on the spin. He definitely should have been on the podium!! His artistry and expression on the ice alone should have earned him a place on the podium. He was definitely underscored by the judges. Another example of a skater who worked really hard to make a comeback and was robbed of a medal.
I’m still so angry that they underscored him so much, he deserved the podium. The judges knew who was getting a medal before he even skated. I’m CONVINCED they didn’t want him on the podium because everyone knew he was gay.
@@hayleymarse2853 He didn't do a quad but it was also the influence of Homophobia, without a doubt 100%. He had better execution than anyone else that competition and landed all his jumps near perfect. Good quads but terrible execution (or subpar) didn't automatically mean you were going to medal. He literally dropped out of medaling not just he didn't get gold. He didn't even bronze.
@@hayleymarse2853 also the ISU dictates points to every move, jump, spin, etc. and these points are well known which is how people know what way to set up their routines (like doing a quad the 2nd half of a FS gains more points than the 1st half because it's seen as more difficult) and there's no way he landed near-perfect sequences and did high scoring jump sequences, landing them, and got underscored that much to drop out of medaling altogether
Honestly, he skates more gracefully than anyone I've seen. His "skill" may supposedly be not the best, but his executions are always so gracefully done. Not even the female skaters could achieve his level of natural grace
I'm not a skater but i love ice skating. When i was young i always look at ice performance. Now i started to see ice skating again...and... dream to skate... but i'm totally agree with you, not even the female skaters could achieve his level of natural grace and in other performances, the same sensuality. love Johnny Weir
I feel like he's the one who brought gracefulness to men's figure skating and turned it into the main event (to me it is, nowadays. Back in the 90's I found it the least interesting of the four)
The Olympics games were on in the gym when I was in college at MSU. Everyone stopped and crowded around the big screen to watch Johnny Weir, even the basketball players stopped. We all wanted him to win so so bad. I'll never forget it!
ifeelpretty57 with the new scoring system it’s better to fall and try. Even his footwork in this program is incredible and incredibly difficult but no quad means no extra points. The old scoring left room for favorites and this new system only rewards for technicality not artistry.
Lysacek who won the competition also didn't perform quads. Johnny lost a lot on the spin flaw and edge call on 3F. He had 7th BV only and quite low PCS comparing to Daisuke, Patrick and Stephane. So if you look at his performance from a judge point of view, he couldn't medal. Though he was fabulous!
He also fall out of a jump and double footed one. traveled quite a bit on one of the spin sequences. But overall an exciting skater. Really fun to watch. Great artistry!!
@@lynnesnyder2395 I get it but his PCS in the short and long program was too low. If it wasn't in Canada I think he would've edged out a bronze medal especially because other competitors fell as well and Patrick would not have placed as high as he did.
El maestro e ídolo de Yuzuru Hanyu...que gran patinador Johnny Wier, que jueces tan despreciables, merecían que los bajaran de sus sillas de juez porque eran unos injustos corruptos, Johnny merecía el oro...le robaron varias medallas de campeonatos mundiales y olímpicas...pero así es en muchos ámbitos de la vida, la terrible envidia cuando eres un sol y los mediocres que jamás brillan te quieren opacar...pero la justicia de Dios siempre llega y limpia lo malo. Tu grandeza quedó escrita con letras de oro en la Historia del patinaje artístico y esa nadie la podrá borrar jamás Johnny Wier.💕💥👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
But it is a sport. So athleticism wins. I really enjoyed this program. He really interpreted the music well but all that great artistry doesn't cover up the fact it lacked the athletic aseptic.
you rather see someone do a triple lutz as their hardest jump but skate like a lil fruit ballerina and win instead of someone doing quads and skating less like a lady and more masculine
@@starfox1 skating like a lady vs a man? What does that look like?Such antiquated BS expectations have no place in competition. My only complaint with Johnny was his lack of transitions
Figure skating should be a mix, a balance, of athletics and artistry. It's sad to see him so underscored for this skate. The points system clearly needs to be revised, since the emphasis on one aspect - jumping - is unbalancing the entire sport. Beautiful skate.
Yep. Ever since they eliminated the double scoring-one for technical and one for artistry-it’s destroyed the overall beauty and enjoyment of the sport.
@@purpledawn2727, it USED to be the way it was score. You got one score for technical, and one for artistry. The scores were combined for a total score. It was a beautiful system.
Such a beautiful man. Extremely intelligent, eloquent, original, and a fantastic commentator. Without a doubt, the finest artistic skater, with the exception of John Curry. His lines are impeccable. Can’t we make artistry as important as huge jumps? Or at least a separate event? Jason Brown was the only skater with any real musicality at this year’s Olympics - he finished an amazing sixth without a quad. That’s how much better he was in that element than any other. Weir deserved at least the bronze in this competition - just a slight mistake but everything else, wonderful. His artistry was untouched by anyone in the competition. Just glorious. The artistry is what I enjoy the most. It deserves an enormous amount of respect and its own medal.
Today he graces his sport like no commentator ever, in tge company of Tara Lepunsky, and their love for the sport, Life and each other speaks louder to their previous experiences, they together have taken the sport to another level, Thank you. I watch the Olympics to see them and follow their commentary, I could care less who skates.
Incredible skater! Those judges should have lost their jobs after this! Shame on them! This was a podium performance! One of the judges said after: "How did we know he would skate like that?". Those pathetic losers decided in advance who would get a medal and who wouldn't. Although, we, the people, know that Johnny was robbed of a medal he absolutely deserved!
It makes me sick when something totally unrelated and unimportant as someone's sexual orientation affects how they are treated! IDC if someone is into men or women or both or nothing or rose bushes or apple trees; if they do their job well, they deserve credit for it!
I hate that every time I watch this beautiful performance my whole mood falls apart when the score is shown. He deserved that podium!! This is ridiculous!
I think he is one of the most gifted skaters of our time, and that's saying a lot! I also believe that he's one of the most powerful advocates we have on every level, gay, straight , and well, human. Thank you Johnny for your talent, grace, and courage to speak out not just for yourself, but for also for those of us who don't have a voice. You truly are my hero. Skate on Darlin!
10 years later and I'm watching this at a Panera Bread fighting back the tears. This is the epitome of a perfect match between a skater, his music and a great performance. Beauty and emotion and athletic talent. Wow.
Unbelievable level of excellence, beauty, skill, talent, and dedication. This guy was robbed of medals, which were well deserved. Absolutely unique and very hard for anyone else to measure up to this performance, or really any of his performances. He delivers, every time. A great talent.
He has the most elegant lines I’ve ever seen outside of a ballet dancer. His hands are just beautifully positioned, flowing like silk from his body. This was an art piece on ice skates.
He was a fantastic commentator in the 2022 Olympics. After watching this video I think back to his comments on skaters and he really does know what he's talking about. I had no idea that he could skate like this. Fascinating performer. Johnny and Nathan Chen have something in common......skills that entice you to keep your eye on them to the very last minute.
For me Johnny was one of the best American skaters ever! He was beautiful, has so much elegance ,just by looking the hands wow ! and he can express so much with the music, not to be mean to Nathan i think he is amazing too !! He can jump beautiful and super difficult quads but he lacks for me on the artístic side and elegance, ofcourse everyone is unique on their on way . Much Love from México !
I haven't seen this before, but that was WAY underscored what the heck?! Watching performances that got higher scores recently in the olympics weren't even as good as this!!!! Give this man a gold medal!
Out of all the men’s programs from Vancouver this is the one I remember the most fondly. Not Plushenko’s. Not Evan’s. This is the program I remember because of the beauty, the music, and the passion he skated with. I’ve always admired Johnny and still do to this day. Was this program on the simpler side for the Olympics? Maybe but it is certainly more memorable.
IMHO, Johnny is the best. Not a perfect skater, but always bring it emotionally 100%. You really gotta love how he stumbled and kinda made it look like part of the routine... that's hard to do! He really should have gotten a medal for this performance... so much heart and soul. As always, Johhny is class personified. His best decision so far was becoming a skating announcer. His commentary this year at the Olympics in Beijing was right on point, and the fact that he speaks fluent Russian is a bonus as well.
I love Johnny Weir's graceful and lyrical skating. Beautiful one of a kind skater. He skated his heart out. I did notice he did not do a harder TP TP combo like he does in the US Nationals. Johnny wears his heart on his sleeve. I love the music he chosed, but I felt that the music that really works for him emotionally Is when he skated in 2005 US Nationals LP Otonal. His artistry and technique cannot be best by any other. He is one very special guy and a great skater. I thought he should of at least gotten a bronze.
Breathtaking! Medal- worthy performance. Hope he isn't bitter about being severely underscored. Love that we got to see and hear him commentating the recent Olympics. He and Tara are so cute but informed and intelligent at the same time 💖
I know nothing about Johnny's career. This is just what I felt from the performance. He's gently pushing at first, just getting back on his feet after the Olympics in Torino. Then it picks up pace. He's back at it, training and pushing as hard as he can so that he can be better. Then suddenly, it slows. He's pushed too hard. He's given too much. He almost gives up. He wants to stop. He's fighting with himself over what he chooses. His dream that he's worked so hard to reach for but just seems so far away, or his rest which he desperately needs? Everyone thinks he's done. It's over. He chose rest. But then it starts again. Fiercer and more determined than ever. "I *will* see this through and I will not stop until I achieve my dream!" He's back with a new fire and gusto. He has planted his feet firmly in his place, and he will not waver. He *will* win, no matter what. It's beautiful.
I just looked at the other comments, and while I think his performance was beautiful, in terms of technique, from what I know, and that's not much, it's a bit... lacking. He stumbled quite a bit, there were no quads, and I think he popped one of his jumps. The footwork was simple, up until the end, and just... was lacking in the technical area. Compared to the winner's performance, I'm not surprised he didn't place. But that's probably due to the ridiculous point system that was put in place that year. But he did what Johnny Weir does best. He was himself. And that's what matters, at least, that's what really matters, or should matter.
Uncreative Name42 I think the problem is actually what one of the judges said “how where we supposed to know he’d perform like that.” As if they had already chosen who the podium makers would be before hand also it was common knowledge he was gay to people although he didn’t say it himself their was an judgmental outlook on him by many already. People don’t think he was judged fairly
@@jessbenjamin8027 It wasn't just being gay, although I am sure that didn't help which is sad. It was mostly being 3rd American. Anyone who knows anything about figure skating knows fed politiking, support of your fed, and the strength of your fed makes a HUGE difference in the results. The 2nd of a country has a hard time sometimes, the 3rd is merely a pawn and sacrificial lamb for their politiking for the others, no fed has enough clout to support 3 people/teams in ane vent. U.S fed is a strong fed, so no problem there. However Lysacek was the reigning World Champion. Of course he takes priority. Abbot was their 2 time U.S Champion and his amazing skates at Nationals had the buzz back on him. So that left Weir as the #3 American, and thus with no real support, as again no fed has enough clout to work behind the scenes for 3 people/teams in an event. In order to help Lysacek and Abbott's chances they had to make deals and side deals with other countries and feds, which drops Weir out of the loop. Had so many men not made mistakes he doesn't even finish as high as 6th. Think of Angela Nikodinov's situation when she goes to big events for the U.S and draw a comparision ,that was Weir's situation going into these Games.
The base value for this was 73.26, and for Lysacek 74.93. Tech score 79.67 was 84.57 for Lysacek. Of course, the spin, but how can they justify the GOE across the board for some of Johhny's jumps which were higher and stronger than Lysacek. The real difference was 77.1 for PCS for Weir vs 82.80 for Lysacek/Plushenko. Lysacek and Plushenko getting same PCS was strange enough, but Johhny being that far off?
He is a beautiful person. I love his style of skating. He is expressing himself as a gay man. People respect that. So kudos to Mr. Weir you come a long way to have a group of judges decide your artistic abilities. Keep going for the gold. God bless!