i think when the PGA started going behind the players backs and negotiating with LIV, the players attitudes shifted towards "Every Man for Himself" making it easier for Rahm to make the leap... and THERE WILL BE OTHERS>>>. Rahmbo opened the gates.... wait n see.
Exactly! Not only that, the PGA demonized the players that left for LIV and they even went as far as to invoke the victims of 9-11 only to shake hands with (according to them) the Devil. That's just about the lowest of the low, in all honesty.
Liv tour can't recreate the history of the masters can't recreate the history of the Augusta course, Liv tour can't recreate the Pebble Beach and the history there. Beth's black. Etc. If you want to compete for majors, if you want to compete against tigers/Jacks majors record you have to play the PGA majors. Liv would need 70 years to create that history.
@@jcool3474 Cool comment if any of it was true. The Majors aren't run by the PGAT. They will screw themselves and endanger their relevancy by banning LIV players. PGAT is meaningless with no important tournaments.
@@partsunknown33 Yeah, and unlike the NBA, which has players under contract making good money, Tour's professionals are "members". If you honestly ask me, an avid hooper and golfer, it's WAY harder to be good at golf than it is to be good at basketball.
Liv tour can't recreate the history of the masters can't recreate the history of the Augusta course, Liv tour can't recreate the Pebble Beach and the history there. Beth's black. Etc. If you want to compete for majors, if you want to compete against tigers/Jacks majors record you have to play the PGA majors. Liv would need 70 years to create that history.
PGA failed to capitalize on the surge of golfs prominence during Covid, easily could be a much larger sport then it already is. I don't like LIV but I cant deny that they are creating a change that is much needed in the sport.
Might as well. PGA already made a deal, the golfers themselves are just following the lead. Anyone who watches/supports PGA at this point has no moral highroad
Great post guys, All the players who towed the PGA party lines to the public were then betrayed, so I guess now it's every man for himself. Why we are hearing "It's no big deal" and "Nobody watches it" from certain quarters, to the rest of the world he is a legend and people will be watching him irrespective of where he plays, golf is not owned by the PGA, The players are the stars. Also all John's Major sponsors are 100% behind him, what does that tell you about future media deals for LIV. Make no mistake LIV will get bigger and bigger, fuelled by all the negativity and disrespect it has been constantly getting from one corner. (it's a mountain of free publicity)
He's lost all cred. LIV is a joke. He said so himself several months ago, vehemently. No cred, no integrity, no honor. All about the all mighty dollar, under the cover of the old story line all these guys spew out... to grow the game. Right. Seve is rolling over in his grave.
I agree with what you are saying. But, Jon has made north of 50 million before LIV so he was doing just fine without 450M, from LIV. That said, 450m is 450m and, even if you're already well off, more is never a bad thing.
For anyone wondering which side of the fence you’re on with this. Look up what Saudi Arabia is doing to Christian’s in Yemen….millions of Christians dead since 2015 yet no western media coverage. MBS and Saudi Arabia already have tight hooks in every facet of western life right to the very top. Unfortunately when you’re a genocidal religious extremist trillionaire Prince you can get away with committing genocide against millions of Christians since 2015 in Yemen and running all these sports like LIV golf and their purchase of Newcastle United football club. This is immoral and if you stand for anything it better be against this. Remember they slaughter innocent Christian’s in the millions and then cover it up yet they’re trying to convince us they’re our friends and are investing for purely sporting reasons. FREE YEMEN
Obviously a Middle Eastern like yourself doesn’t care about Saudi Arabia ordering the deaths of millions of Christians in Yemen….the ironic thing is you probably are Free Palestine but not Free Yemen because it’s Christians being killed by you Muslims. Your hypocrisy is comical
Jon has not been playing good golf after the Masters. I think it was a smart move by him because only 2 majors. Kinda crazy to think what Scottie Scheffler would make
Good for you Rahm I enjoy LIV, and I enjoy PGA... don't listen to the radical golf lobby. People can watch and enjoy both, and 1 or the other and it doesn't matter. I like the point that you keep bringing up that you guys (athletes) are Entertainers...
Read my comment below for more of my thoughts on this issue. What I like about LIV is: 3-day tournaments (4 days is too long), no cut (all players get paid), high purses (wealth attracts fans and TV), Global golf (new great courses and more countries involved), the best players in the world (Rahm, Koepka, DeChambeau, Johnson, etc.), and team play (keeps players focused and trying hard). What I don't like about LIV: loud music (noisy and distracting), shotgun start (removes introductions and drama from 1st tee), and not enough tournaments in the USA (which is the golf capital of the world). Even if the PGA Tour gets billionaire investors, they had better merge with LIV or they will lose many fans. Palmer, Nicklaus, and Woods proved without a doubt, it's the superstars that matter the most. They had better get those golf superstars back on their tour somehow someway, or it's sayonara, ciao, and adios.
In the past Jon has spoken about Seve Ballesteros and the effect he has had on him and the game of golf in Spain. Throw all of that out the window along with his legacy within the game of golf. LIV is like the Canadian football league compared to the PGA tour, except for the fact the Canadian football league isn't backed by mass murders and terrorists with billions of dollars from the oil industry. . .
Rahm has his major exemptions which are the only tournaments any big player cares about. Why stay on the PGA for like 550 million less than what he could make.
Never going to happen to many big names will be on Liv. The tours will eventually figure it out and all play together. Couple down years of golf coming unfortunately
One change the PGA can make is do what they did with the DP World tour there are 2 cosponsered events players from both leagues can play in. The could do it for a couple of tournaments with LIV also to get all the big names playing at once
Liv tour can't recreate the history of the masters can't recreate the history of the Augusta course, Liv tour can't recreate the Pebble Beach and the history there. Beth's black. Etc. If you want to compete for majors, if you want to compete against tigers/Jacks majors record you have to play the PGA majors. Liv would need 70 years to create that history.
This was a great interview and I do appreciate Jon's candor. I do not like his decision to go to LIV as it isn't the same competition. Having attended a LIV event as a spectator, I will say the music was nice, however, the golf wasn't that great to watch. To go out and have a shotgun start the competition was over in five hours and it was not a good experience.
When you are offered money that comes from a bad place and is more than you're worth in the real world you need an excuse to take it. The "pga went behind are backs" excuse is a popular excuse. The pga was muscled by gangsters. Who knows how dirty the "offer they cant refuse" was. And the ridiculous law suits, bankrolled by the funds of an entire country. This is the worst thing to happen in the history of sport.
I think Jon made a great choice for him. I’m happy he got his bag. For the people who want to cry and say how can he do it? Try to enjoy your life a little bit more. Life’s not that hard. Your watching a RU-vid video probably on your phone. Chill 😂
Let's be honest! Jon Rahm went to LIV STRICTLY FOR THE 600 MILLION. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ALL PRO GOLFERS IS MONEY! Don't believe any of that nonsense about loving the game and titles being the most important. You can always judge people by their actions. Rahm and other golf stars chose the LIV money over anything the PGA Tour had to offer - history, titles, fame, legacy, or loyalty. I'm happy for Rahm. How could anyone in their right mind turn down 600m! Money is the most important thing in this world for 99% of the people. They all have a price, a number, they will accept. More PGA stars will leave for LIV, I'm sure of it. This might be the end of the PGA Tour as we know it. That will be a deserving fate because of their greed that Michelson pointed out, and because they have tried to monopolize pro golf. From the beginning, LIV has had a right to exist and recruit players, who of their on free will join it. Also, all of that talk about Saudi money being blood money because of the Saudi human rights violations and political murders is hypocritical nonsense. Look at the war crimes and murder the USA is supporting with Israel's murderous genocide of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, for one clear example. USA money is blood money too. We live in a world where many corporations and companies make billions of dollars off of war and murder, or off of polluting the planet with smog and chemicals. So, all of the golf tours and professional sports are full of blood money. I don't like LIV's format or their loud music, but with all of that Saudi money involved it is here to stay. I do think we will soon see a merger of the two tours, because that will be the only way the PGA tour survives.
People like you pretending you wouldn’t take $100-300 million to go play golf in a more laid back manner while also playing good competition. You’re definitely just jealous Rahmbo got this deal. But keep hating homie
@@JacobChristian11nobody is jealous Jacob, people see through the bs reasoning, just say you wanted the money. Play/viewership in the liv tourney is not up to par with the pga. That’s why they’re paying him so much to draw more attention to the league. Nobody looks at what liv is doing golf wise and saying that’s changing the game.
@@Scheboygan8767 he said “I’m not gonna lie the money is nice. I don’t play golf for the money but as a family man I owe it to my family to make sure they’re set” Bryson (while I don’t like him very much) shot a 58 not to long ago. The competition is at Liv now and he wants to compete. But when people see a giant check and assume that’s the only reason. But you’re right, it’s probably far more likely that every golfer is a liar.
He would look like less of a hypocrite if he recognised that he has prostituted himself, and that he is without moral and ethics in his professional life.
No matter what he says at this point of the game, Rahm is a liar. There is absolutely zero reason to go to LIV other than guaranteed $. Rahm stated he doesn't play golf for $. Sad day for golf and golf fans.
Rahm switched because of money. Plain and simple. Monahan is to blame for everything that is about to happen. LIV golf sucks but it’s where the money is at 🤷🏻♂️
Jon Rahm is such a a huge get for LIV. Basically the Ohtani golf. Rahm goes to LIV and "switches teams" for 600$ million but a guy like Ohtani is cheered for finding the best and highest bidder for probably $400 million. Who is out there saying no to generations of wealth to play golf?
Nope No one cares about rahm, And LIV is bush league. Now all of pro golf is bush. They’re the only sport who wants to go back to the 1950’s technology. No one cares.
I wouldnt say Rahm is Ohtani level, but what he brings is legitimacy to LIV that none of their current roster has. Brooks, DJ, Phil were are essentially prize golfers near the end, they wouldn't show up in small events and only cared about majors. Rahm is not that guy, which is why its such a big move.
Jon sees the big picture. After the deal behind the players back, how can any PGA player trust the PGA? The PGA loyalists will be left holding the bag at the end of this.
Securing the bag, that is it. Stop trying to make it sound like it is for a higher purpose. We understand, if we are offered that money we be doing the same.
Everybody hating on the PGA players going to Liv golf they're just fans of the PGA hate seeing great players go to a different league as i am But I don't know if somebody offer me a lot more money to do the same kind of job I'm doing today I'm gone care less what people think as the PGA players that went to Liv golf think I don't have a problem with that I would think most people that are haters would take the more money for the same kind of job they're doing... you can wash out all that Integrity crap Money Talks, no different in other sports in free agency.....
so, why he said dont need more money ever playing for pga? ummm, maybe pga isnt perfect but liv golf really? team games allways? no classic courts? tournaments that nobody wach in europe ummm, not good choice for jon rham.
Just set it up like soccer.......you have European players that play in the MLS and American players that play in multiple European leagues. Everyone loves when the World Cup comes around, but in the meantime, there are multiple great leagues around the world. Ultimately, in any sport, I want the situations to be able to get the most money to the players. I know that leagues and teams need to be profitable to grow and continue, but we as fans are out to see the players be their best and compete against each other at a high level. I think having multiple leagues helps create an environment that helps more money get to the players.
""I've never really played the game of golf for monetary reasons. I play for the love of the game, and I want to play against the best in the world."" ""I do see the appeal that other people see towards the LIV Golf. I do see some of the - how do I put this delicately - points or arguments they can make, towards why they prefer it. To be honest, part of the format is not really appealing to me."" ""Shotgun, three days is not a golf tournament, no cut. It's that simple."" ""The Ryder Cup is not the PGA Tour and European Tour against LIV. It's Europe versus the U.S., period."" ""There's been a lot of talk and speculation on the Saudi league and it's just not something that I believe is best for me and my future in golf and I think the best legacy I can accomplish is on the PGA Tour."" ""I'm in this game for the love of golf and the love of the game and to become a champion."" ""I believe the Ryder Cup is the best marketing tool the game will ever have. And it's an event we play for free."" ""If you want to try to co-exist, LIV can do their thing and the PGA Tour can do their thing."" ""Every decision I make when it comes to golf is to become the best player I can become."" ""The way I see a deal with a sponsorship brand, I've done it with all my sponsors - especially with Mercedes because it was the only one I got to really pick - is, what brands do I believe in and which brands do I think resemble my values the most and which brand do I think is going to elevate my value? Mercedes is one of those."" ""Being a part of golf history with Seve, in any way, is unbelievable."" ""I'm just trying to be like me."" ""To whoever compares me to him, I'm never going to be Seve."" ""The happier I am in life, the better I'm going to play. But I'm much more interested in raising a family and being a good husband and father than I am in golf."" ""I want to play against the best in the world in a format that's been going on for hundreds of years. That's what I wanna see."" ""I understand the reasons why golfers who play LIV Golf do it and it's a shame they have to relinquish their status on the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour."" ""I've always been interested in history and legacy."" ""For me, the legacy you leave is very important.""
The PGA Tour is run by egotistical maniacs. It’s disgusting. Why can’t both products coexist? If Monahan doesn’t swallow his pride and see this for what it is, (which is a great thing for the game of golf), his ego will be what eventually ruins the PGA Tour, and that is sad.
The fact is LIV is a more entertaining product and doesn't take up your whole day to watch which attracts the more casual viewer. The team element creates more marketing opportunities to drive revenue and to pay the top golf athletes what they deserve. The reality is viewer tune in to watch their favorite players and in almost every other sport a players compensation is negotiable except the PGA.
You PGA fan boys don't understand the business of professional sports. Yes the PGA has on average 3-4 times more viewers than a LIV event, however what the executives at the PGA understand is that over the past 2 years the PGA has lost market share to a new competitor. LIV has nearly doubled in attendance rates and viewers in its 2nd year which other start up leagues like the xfl failed because they did not increase market share after their inaugural year. There is a reason the PGA decided to merge with LIV golf because they see LIV has a viable product that can eventually be a serious problem to the future of the PGA. If LIV was not a threat to there organization they would let it fail.
I dont know much about much but when Jay Monahan reacted like the head cheerleader that lost her boyfriend to the new girl in school, it was a misshandle from the get go. Horrible reaction, Horrible representation of the PGA Tour.
""I've never really played the game of golf for monetary reasons. I play for the love of the game, and I want to play against the best in the world."" ""I do see the appeal that other people see towards the LIV Golf. I do see some of the - how do I put this delicately - points or arguments they can make, towards why they prefer it. To be honest, part of the format is not really appealing to me."" ""Shotgun, three days is not a golf tournament, no cut. It's that simple."" ""The Ryder Cup is not the PGA Tour and European Tour against LIV. It's Europe versus the U.S., period."" ""There's been a lot of talk and speculation on the Saudi league and it's just not something that I believe is best for me and my future in golf and I think the best legacy I can accomplish is on the PGA Tour."" ""I'm in this game for the love of golf and the love of the game and to become a champion."" ""I believe the Ryder Cup is the best marketing tool the game will ever have. And it's an event we play for free."" ""If you want to try to co-exist, LIV can do their thing and the PGA Tour can do their thing."" ""Every decision I make when it comes to golf is to become the best player I can become."" ""The way I see a deal with a sponsorship brand, I've done it with all my sponsors - especially with Mercedes because it was the only one I got to really pick - is, what brands do I believe in and which brands do I think resemble my values the most and which brand do I think is going to elevate my value? Mercedes is one of those."" ""Being a part of golf history with Seve, in any way, is unbelievable."" ""I'm just trying to be like me."" ""To whoever compares me to him, I'm never going to be Seve."" ""The happier I am in life, the better I'm going to play. But I'm much more interested in raising a family and being a good husband and father than I am in golf."" ""I want to play against the best in the world in a format that's been going on for hundreds of years. That's what I wanna see."" ""I understand the reasons why golfers who play LIV Golf do it and it's a shame they have to relinquish their status on the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour."" ""I've always been interested in history and legacy."" ""For me, the legacy you leave is very important.""
He is wrong about one thing, and that's the Ryder Cup. It is the PGA Tour vs. the DP World Tour. LIV golfers are not members of either tour and thus not eligible.
Can’t blame rhambo at all for taking the money. Albeit irrational that’s an insane amount of cash for a sport that doesn’t get ratings. The weekend scramble drunk fest that is liv golf still remains unwatchable though. Even if the tour goes the way of the dodo the Saudis have badly miscalculated what motivates the American golf market to watch and consume golf. Individual competition with the pressure on within a 72 hole format. Maybe they will develop their own market out of non golf fans but competing against 4 other major team sports in the US or soccer abroad will be insanely difficult and their current ratings bear that out.