Rick Shiels Reacts to Jon Rahm Joining LIV Golf! 

Zero benefit.....the average golfer is getting hammered financially, whether it be club membership, green fees, equipment or a bucket of balls at the driving range.

@VG32123 totally agree mate. Someone down the line has to pay for Jon Rahms fee, and 20 million so ian Poulter can hack around like a 6 handicap. Who pays? We do. Like you said, higher fees, unaffordable green fees

100% agree with this post. This is exactly how I fell as well.

This should be pinned on all golf channels

@Bech285 you know it's the truth mate. The big boys make more money, and we carry the cost!!!

As an aussie... Same with the rippers gc!!!

He did talk negatively of LIV. They quote him in the first 2 minutes of this pod.

Stop talking sense lol

100% correct....Oz used to have a big summer golf tour, but the PGAT killed that...LIV will own golf fans outside the US....LIV Adelaide sold out in a day....its now a big EVENT

I love this podcast, but I think this is definitely their biggest miss. LIV is going for the NEXT generation, not necessarily THIS generation; if kids grow up watching it as a team sport more often, that view will literally change in one generation. Give it 8-10 years and no one will think twice about a team-based golf league.

Absolutely right. It's like 20/20 cricket is aimed at the youngsters

It’s not about golf its just Saudi domination as they have so much money to try to ruin mainstream events

What Rick doesn't get is that pro golf is in the entertainment business.....TV broadcast of golf is old tech....LIV understand streaming is the future

RU-vidrs are growing the game more than LIV hands down.

RU-vidrs are growing the game more than the PGA to be fair. LIV is growing it to new countries, You Tube in countries where golf is already apopular sport and PGA doesnt grow it all.

@@lollylegs3632 which is a fair assessment but how many years has it taken. Look at wer Rick started and how long it has taken for him to be where he is. It takes time. The liv angle has to be we are making it a global game. They have tournaments in america, asia, europe and australia. Its a matter of time before they have a south african leg of the tournament. Imagine number of pple in these continents who have never seen these pros. PGA has to wake up

There's already been tours all over the world these selfish pigs are just in it for themselves imagine if nicklaus palmer and player did this in the 60s golf would be nonexistent

​@@mossbergshockwave623who else should they be in it for?

Well, three of the Majors are IN the U.S....and the other is run by the R&A Club. The Players is PGA. The FEDEX cup is PGA...all American. Then you have other tournaments around the world. That's not changing. The PGA will provide all the competitive golf, and they can then retire with LIV...I guess. And why not? I think Rham would have taken that money to retire even.

@@mossbergshockwave623 - Fair comment but i will correct you there ... Let’s be reminded that GOLF greats like Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino and their other mates who way back then played tournaments under the PGA of America (founded in 1916) in 1960 began the process of breaking away and in 1975 the organization they created achieved full independence from the PGA of America and was named the "PGA Tour." The coming of LIV Golf is no different … In reality PGA tour is a SUNSET tour. Changing of the Guards !!

@@robl7559 yeah but that was so not noticeable then they didn't kick them out of the tour or anything.

Well said , new faces is the hope for all Professional Golfers .

That's all fine and dandy, but that's not why Jon went to LIV. I would respect all the LIV-joiners a lot more if they just admitted - "This is a fuck ton of money, I can set my family up for generations". This ruins golf going forward imo; LIV is boring to me, not sure what it is, and now the PGA tour is getting depleted of talent which is also boring. I think I'll just be watching the majors.

Not sure why the growing the game is rubbished so quickly. The PGA tour sold there souls to fed ex and ruined the old order of merit. They've then shortened the season and moved mjors to suit there TV. They've crippled the European tour. Personally I'm happy that someone else is bullying them with money. At least liv play around the world and are growing the game in that way. America won't come out of America. To me growing the game is not losing tour's like the euro protour but all there both care about is the top guys. In my opinion liv will become the world tour but 8n a different format. 8/10 events around the world for the top 50 or so, plus the majors. The PGA tour for the rest of the players. I think that would be good in a way but the money still won't filter down enough. All media outlets are against liv because there all in bed with America. Its your jobs to push the liv tour as a positive for world golf. Unfortunately all they push is there own narrative, especially sky sports who w9ny have any bad word said about Rory who is also the PGAtours voice. Funny that.

On the Pat Macafee show, he says the money was a big part of his decision of why he joined.

@@johnblanks650 You made some valid points about the monopoly of the PGA tour and a need to challenge it.. I just still can't be bothered to tune into LIV.

In what was is it better? I can’t get behind it at all, do not like it

@@J_B17you can watch an entire round on like 4hrs instead of 12-14hrs, all to the top players at LIV play in every event whereas you can turn on a pga tour event and honestly not recognize a single name on the leader board and hence not care, and with a shotgun start every player is playing in the same weather conditions (how many rounds have you seen decided by having no wind in a morning session then blowing a gale for the later tee times).

All pro sports is in the entertainment industry

John Deere classic and its not close. Just don't like the LIV format. That round Bryson put in was pure class tho

how many fed ex cup points does the liv event provide?

You do realise that merikah is not the center of the universe right?

​@@epicragegaming2016who cares about the Fed Ex cup. It's a terrible setup to call "playoffs"

Cycling is the same. You have riders you like, you have bike manufacturers you like and you support where you like. If there was a "Team Callaway" or "Team Ping", you might find people gravitate towards teams based on the clubs you like.

Yup, kind of like a racing team

I was wondering if LIV could introduce a 4the round, where the teams play as one entity in a scramble type of format. I think it would promote the Team aspect.

Shotgun start is so much better

But don't great golf courses tell a story in their layout? Take The Brabazon at the Belfry, a relatively easy start before you hit SI 1 on the 6th, then to be hot with a long carry over water on the Par 3 7th, then there is no let up with the tough 9th, followed up by the risk reward of 10, all coming to a conclusion with the amazing 18th. It's a course that is meant to be played in that order. Please be aware, this is just a conversation and my POV, i'm not arguing. My apologies, but I'm finding I have to add this disclaimer more and more these days!!

@@block19row13 It is one of the disadvantages of shotgun, but for the last day they put the top 6 golfers starting on the first hole the last day, so the likely winner starts on one, but finished on 18. For the other days, think it means much less.

I hate shotgun style

Exactly, lets say 2 billion has been spent when they have over $700B, that's like having $100,000 and throwing away $300. They don't care about return on investment.

So true!

Ability to stop the video and come back to it whenever you feel like it, i.e. it not being inflexible to your schedule is a huge plus for me.

You say that yet it is and will continue to be ignored even with John Rahm in its ranks. They struggle to attract sponsors, tv deals and most importantly fans! They are attracting players who are willing to sell their legacy and future for cash.

​@@gallzyrmall pretty much true but mid career, get paid more to work less to spend more time with your family. It's a no brainer.

But each signed player changes that, fans follow the talent, that's why PGAT gets more eyes than DPWT. It's not courses, it's not tournaments (majors aside), it's players - when LIV has the preponderance of top players, fans will follow, and sponsors follow fans.

In time. the corrupt OWGR will become laughable and ignored

I like all the players you mentioned , but I don't watch LIV golf because these events don't have a legacy or history to them yet . Maybe in the future they will .

You could tell all that by watching him? He's obviously faking the whole thing none of these players give a damn about competition they already got their money for nothing.

@@mossbergshockwave623 What Chuck is describing is exactly what happened. You're misinformed.

​@@mossbergshockwave623you think kobe or MJ didn't care to win because they got paid up front? Every professional athlete in team competition gets guaranteed contracts up front, win or lose. What a dumb take.

@@xslash10xthey cared to win and be nba champions. They grew up dreaming to win that trophy. LIV doesn’t have that and currently the tournaments don’t really matter. Basically the same level as the Netflix cup thing with the F1 drivers golfing.

​@@xslash10xnot a dumb take. Team sports is not the same as golf. Golf is you Vs the course. Team sports you can be dropped and sit on the bench. You need to play together to win. You need to depend on others. They get paid up front because they're paid to use their skills to enable the team. In golf, I could lose every game now and who cares? You get to go again next week. In team sports you lose, you might not make the next tournament/round etc. Might not win the league etc

Masters, open, and the ryder cup are easily the best. And i'd almost argue they are more elevated now. I think LIV takes away from the norm PGA events but elevates the majors. Tbh most of the non majors on the PGA are just bleh

@@laronda10 maybe all this other golf including LIV will mean something when I'm dead and buried! Less is more as far as I'm concerned!

Golf has always been a game of tradition. It was not like other sports. It was truly performance based. Money changes everything, especially people. Sometimes not for the better. I'm so turned off by it all, I don't watch any golf on TV anymore. I was a person who attended multiple tour events each year. I'm so done.

You’re spot on, I think it’s about time sport isn’t hogged by America and Europe. And the amount of people I’ve seen playing golf because liv has caught their interest is nuts.

What I find crazy is that in many cases, the same people who think LIV is a joke were really excited about TGL.

These two are just parroting the anti-LIV media, if Rory was to go to LIV the narrative would change over night lol@@Chris54321

Well said. There’s no reason for any of them to stay after the merger. LIV will be the elite world tour sooner than later. My bold prediction.

All players playing is the biggest thing and Rick & Guy constantly miss this point. In Full Swing coverage of the Waste Management, they said "6 of the world's top 10 are here" like it was a massive thing. We should be like "is that all???"

Liv production quality better ? You must be joking

Or another way of thinking, wins a few million on PGA, or gets handed 600 million dollars for a few years hitting a ball

Yeah! Why work hard. Imagine LIV Hospital and Health care, where doctors get to play video games and work three days a week, in shorts while listening to music!! For ten times more money even! Who would say no to that.

No golfer plays 38 weeks, Tiger in his time played like 18-22 weeks that’s it. And if playing 18-22 weeks a year is too much for LIV players screw them, let them try working 50-52 weeks a year.

​@jorgecgonzalez9976 which is why LIV works. You know all of those big names will be at every event (barring injury). You don't turn a GP on and wonder which drivers will actually be taking part

The corruption of the OWGR is criminal....the board must be sued

I would watch LPGA before I flip pass a liv "tournament"

​@@mossbergshockwave623 what does that even mean? The ladies are good to watch, from 150 in they are unreal

@@LaineDavies yeah I know I watch them but I would never watch a "liv tournament"

Why can't they make their own ranking? If they don't want to play 4 rounds and have cuts, have a three tournament day ranking. A music ranking, with shorts even. PGA Tour players can't get THOSE rankings. They'd probably suck at wearing shorts while listening to Kanye's music. 2c.

Dont let the PGA fanboys dampen that enjoyment. I'm a Ripper fan myself without much success. 2024 is our year!

@@lollylegs3632 😂 we only have half a team atm! Maybe minwoo and Jason day could join Ripper

I see the LIV bots are alive and well

@@pauli5818 these are exactly the two guys I'd love to see join the team!

Same here, watched Burmeister at Houghton and Blair Athol, was happy with him winning those tourneys, especially in courses I play often

😂 ridiculous isn’t it😂

Rahm has the most wins, top 5’s, top 10’s, since 2016.

Shocker they want to promote their brand. Sorry to be negative...but that's part & parcel, you will naturally promote your brand vs obvious criticisms

They still will whinge, it's what they've been conditioned to do

My own view is that the teams will be franchised to corporates. Team Nike, Adidas etc. Hence why Rahm gets equity....but...I do agree with you, that would be better for the fan

Wouldn't you have to live there?

It helps, but it isnt necessary either. There are plenty of people that support Lakers that aren't from LA, or Manchester United that aren't from Manchester.

Some don’t like how disingenuous he was with his comments against LIV and the format and the money. And now he calls the same thing “innovative.” It’s just phony. Now he’s just a shill and his words about anything are meaningless.

This is exactly what I thought watching this video... He's just had his golf swing fixed by Dechambeau and didn't even know he'd had a broken hand... It's incredible that he's not really a fan of golf but seems to think his opinion should matter to fans... My son is 18 this month and chasing the dream of becoming a tour pro... He truly doesn't care which tour he plays on however he realises he'd be financially better off even coming last on LIV for a year lol

@wastefulungratfuls Wishing your Son the best of luck! Hopefully he has tons of fun and success 👊🏽

It should all work out like it was set up to in the beginning. LIV right from the start tailored thier schedule around all the big events so players could go play them on off weeks. PGA and DP made a huge mistake for viewership with the bans but likely that will be resolved soon.

They might. We might. We love rap music now, and hum along to the F word all the time. Then go to church of course.

Rap music has been a terrible watered down, vulture culture product, for quite some time. If a deal isn’t figured out, golf will become the same.

@@mr.harmon6907 There were some really good rap songs in the 80s...some were clever or funny, some dealt with social issues etc....but since then it's rare. All music is being attacked by Autotune, and here comes AI, which will certainly encourage laziness and damage creativity. Progress sometimes, is really it's opposite IMO...I don't think I'm saying that because I turned 60 this year, I still listen to today's music and watch today's movies etc....and appreciate good product...but it's becoming more and more rare. Tiger going for the green at the Canadian Open from a bunker over water, with a 6-iron to cover 205 yards...all fronted by that lake, for no reason with a one shot lead, other than to prove what he could do. This is not going to happen again. There was Jack, and then Tiger, and now....I think we'll celebrate whoever signs the first Billion $$ contract with LIV....that's where we're at.

Here in Central Florida it is true.

Same in uk everyone I know is playing golf or taken it up

Inflation is real

Not for wages it isn’t

Inflation and supply & demand combined. Like any business, they'll charge as much as people will pay in a free market. That has zero to do with Jon Rahm's wages

This is spot on. Feel the same way. LIV is seriously dull to watch. Its like watching a pre season with everyone laughing no pressure no tension. No history or point to it. Totally turned off from golf now.

This literally means nothing.

Couldn't agree more.

You’re wrong.

Even if you divide this total by 2, it still comes out pricey for us average people.

He is purposely ignoring facts like that, he's media now, biased and BS are king

Unless it was a scramble, it wouldnt last long at all. No preferred lies, gimmes or breakfast mulligans, most would score 80+. Maybe if it was along the lines of a BDS can a hole it would work ?

Rick has been talking about wanting to do "YT Masters" with fellow YT golf creators, just couldn't swing it this year. It does sound like big logistic task to have enough cameras etc for 18 holes (or however many they're spread out over) to make it worthwhile to watch

If only the PGA let LIV golf on tour

Pga tour's fault..

There are several lesser known tours that only play 3 rounds that get World ranking points. Why not LIV?

Liv is a joke the players already got their money they literally could careless about playing competition it's just golf with buddies.

😂😂😂😂😂 you bot

@@DocOoccc thanks

@@mossbergshockwave623 that is an interesting look on it. Even though they have $ now I think they really competitive guys still want to win

And with the shotgun start its a digestible amount of time to watch, and we get to see the entire event from start to finish.

⁠​⁠@@matthewh8548As long as you continue to restrict the field sizes to around 48 contracted players.

Yet you watch RU-vid golf where it's pointless exhibition golf from people getting paid too much for how good they are? I watch golf for fun, not for how much they get paid. Rick is wildly overpaid for how good at golf he is if you're going down that route.

Rick isn't paid for how good he is at golf. He's paid because he is an entertainer in the golf world. A good one

@@kevingowdy3651 Umm - Rick is a RU-vid entertainer; he's not trying to compete on an actual competitive tour. The lack of any system to play oneself into or out of a LIV tournament makes it a circus of millionaires playing for nothing and performing for the cattle who think it is anything other than Saudis sportswashing themselves into our great game. Just sayin...

Golf is already worldwide lol

Big style 🤙

What? Golf is already global. How does LIV do that exactly? This is 100% about money.