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Jonathan Pageau on Patterns & Pilgrimage (insights from Mount Athos)

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‪@JonathanPageau‬ shares stories from his pilgrimage to Mount Athos in Greece with his son and father - including legends and mysteries of vanishing icons, ancient 12th century manuscripts, rites of passage, and wonder-working relics. Jonathan also gives some of the behind-the-scene action from his latest project 'Snow White and the Widow Queen', and he announces exciting developments like the Symbolic World Press and the Symbolic World Magazine.
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@nathankurtz5960 Год назад

Man, it's such a shock to my system to realize Jonathan has intentionally done these initiations with his family. Something I've lamented that our culture lacks, but never thought about how to replace. Great stuff. Hopefully I can come up with something for when I have kids.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Let us know what you come up with. Will it involve a large knife and a cabin in the woods?

@nathankurtz5960 Год назад

@@DerekJFiedler It would be a shame if it didn't!

@angiec9599 Год назад

Thank you, Derek, for asking Jonathan to speak about his pilgrimage in Greece. I enjoy listening to these informal conversations.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

I'm glad you enjoyed the convo and appreciate the feedback.

@cidklutch Год назад

Can't get enough of Jonathan and his work/ wisdom. God Bless you and thank you for everything you share.

@symbolicmemez Год назад

Great talk, really good questions 🙂

@CelineTaylor105 Год назад

Beautiful conversations, it's awesome to hear about your parenting styles and approaches! Thanks for the deep discussions about faith and religious elements, always refreshing.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Anytime Jonathan record one of these conversations we can't not help but talk about parenting and our children. Jonathan has much wisdom to share. I'm glad you found this discussion refreshing. Thanks for your support.

@zujev16 Год назад

Hi Derek, It's a very warm conversation you had with Jonathan, and pleasant atmosphere. I was also very interested in Jonathan Pilgrimage to Mount Athos (partly because I myself am contemplating a pilgrimage there with my dad, and I'm from Latvia, so it's nearer 🙂), so thanks for deep diving on this.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

My pleasure! Let us know how your pilgrimage goes ok?

@zujev16 Год назад

@@DerekJFiedler Agreed!

@buglepong Год назад

all travelling has aspects of pilgrimage. you go somewhere "far away" to see and experience something you wouldnt get where you are, in order to make your life more full.

@06rtm Год назад

Always great to see you two speak

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Thank you. it's always a pleasure to have you join the discussion.

@ibelieve3111 3 месяца назад

Thanks

@annasen5651 Год назад

So looking forward to see your progress ….😊

@FrJohnBrownSJ Год назад

This turned out really well. I especially liked the final third!

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

That was my favorite part too! God bless, thank you for watching.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

You can find my personal notes from the conversation at derekjfiedler.substack.com, if you are into that sort of thing. I also added a follow up video to this one sharing Stephen King's opinions of symbolism, which surprisingly have a lot in common with Mr. Pageau - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vGpcKKIWB44.html

@greyhamilton52 Год назад

Great discussion, especially hearing you both discuss parenting and rites of passage. Only ever seem to hear snippets on these topics, I wish they got more treatment from this corner of the internet.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

@FrJohnBrownSJ Год назад

I wish I could give your video multiple thumbs up... And I haven't even seen it yet.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Your encouragements come at a great time. I spent extra time editing this one. I hope it is worth the double thumbs 👍👍

@vimalpatel4060 Год назад

Ow wow! Wow! Wow! The pattern guy cometh. Thanks Sir Derek of Los Angelo.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

😄 He cometh indeed. The closest city to me would either be Sacramento or Santa Rosa. So, Sir Derek of the Sacrament?

@vimalpatel4060 Год назад

@@DerekJFiedler Aw! My apologies sire.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

No apologies needed my friend. I'm glad you were able to tune in.

@x0rn312 4 месяца назад

13:00 I'd be very curious to hear more of your thoughts on talking animal animation

@wtippens44 Год назад

Good to see your channel getting some deserved subs!

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Hey, thanks!

@robbratcher4675 11 месяцев назад

We do the same thing with VHS it’s great

@DerekJFiedler 11 месяцев назад

Team VHS. Let's go!

@danjaasma2305 Год назад

Derek, what were the 5 or so movies you mentioned? I’m trying to be very selective and it helps to hear what others have come up with.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

With the kids: The Prince of Egypt. Wall-E. Bugs Life. Monsters Inc. Wind in the Willows (1995). Beauty & the Beast (90s version). The Black Stallion. The Sound of Music. Without the kids: Arrival. Interstellar. Queen of the Night (2022). Lord of the Rings. Pride & Prejudice (1996, with the wife).

@shovas Год назад

"I don't try to account for the mechanical causes for these things, you know. Yeah, I don't try. It's best not, probably not, to try to do that. It's just that these icons become places where people are healed. They become places where people's answer prayers are answered." Discount the mechanical, discount the immaterial. Did the icon really move? Were the people really healed? Is a mechanical miracle or answered prayer less than an immaterial miracle or answered prayer? There's a set of recursive layers to this that's hard to think through but it leads to a concern that those who do find out the mechanical dispels the immaterial will have their worldview shattered and the end will be worse than it needed to be. Still trying to figure out if this is a net good or net ill.

@pg618 Год назад

I raised both my children homeschooling them on an organic vegetable farm working with the Amish and no television no Hi-Tech. Many Orthodox admired us and wanted to do the same but then they wanted to finish high school and get have a social life. They went to a so-called Christian School and they got cars, that got a phones then they learned to fornicate and take drugs and they're out of the church and I'm afraid they're totally lost.

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

Thank you for sharing your story. I commend you for doing everything you could to raise your children rightly. I don't have any advice for you. But I can tell you that I had a similar journey as your children. I grew up in my grandparents Christian academy and in their church with excellent parents. I chose to go the ways of my friends, the way of the world. I ran (better said, I rode my bike) far away from my homeland and the faith of my fathers. I pursued psychedelics, new age mysticism, eastern religions - you name it - to find inner bliss. Still, yet, God wasn't giving up on me, and I knew it. I hated that I knew it. He was kind and patient and not pushy. He sent messenger after messenger, and chance after chance, to turn away and return to Him, the source of Love and Truth. Eventually, in a series of mysterious, unorthodox events, I came back. I was wooed back. God made a way. When I was ready, I came home. If it could happen to me, it could happen to your children. It can happen to anybody. I'm sure it helped to have a tenacious host of prayer warriors - my grandma and parents namely.

@pg618 Год назад

@@DerekJFiedler thank you for your encouragement.

@Alexander_Isen Год назад

Wow I cant believe that a monk said that to Jonathan! Crazy

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

A true compliment of compliments.

@greyhamilton52 Год назад

So curious what those 5 movies you still watch with your kids are. Seems like there would be nothing left without the talking animals (or obviously far worse elements)

@DerekJFiedler Год назад

I shared my lists in a comment below. One with the kids (talking animals included). And one without.

@dalibofurnell 11 месяцев назад

Orthodox disco 👌

@wehsee912 Год назад

🌚☄️❤️💫

@miastupid7911 Год назад

Orthodox disco. 😁 talk about symbolism Ιωναθαν to the point of influencing a Neophotisto. Ο Χριστος μαζι σου! Thank you for the interview. SAINT NICHOLAOS CHURCH ON GROUND ZERO