Jordan Peterson - Female Hero Archetypes 

There is some truth to the concept that beastly men can be tamed by the influence of the right woman, but it's often misinterpreted and that causes girls to go on an impossible quest to save the rough guys. In beauty and the beast, I don't believe Belle tamed the beast. He saw her and realized that to gain her love, he would have to change. He tamed himself. Yes, he did it FOR her, but she did not tame him. He tamed himself. She didn't think of him as anything other than a monster until he started changing. If she had loved him first and tried to change him, he wouldn't have changed because he already had what he wanted. I hate that she is thought to have changed him because girls who sincerely love rough guys and see the potential for good in them often enter into unhealthy relationships with them. The men already have what they want so they have no motivation to change. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for a guy is to let him hurt and live your life. If he loves you, he will rise to your level, but never stoop to his.

"I spent a lot of time thinking about that" - Jordon Peterson

My mother told me she was inspired by Sarah Connor from Terminator 2. She is now 61 yrs old and still goes to gym and goes jogging.

"How to Train Your Dragon" switches the archetypes around, with Hiccup out to tame the beast while Astrid is out to kill them. They both manage to still be masculine and feminine, respectively. Such a great series and they make a great couple!

The way I see it: archetypical male heroes are those who have strong male characteristics, but also develop the female parts of their bring. The results are very powerful, courageous, determined but yet compassionate male heroes. It works vice versa for women. The archetypical female heroes are those with a strong sense of compassion, caring, unconditional love but also developed their inner power to express as much of their female qualities to this world as possible. I personally find these kind of women to be extremely attractive.

You could see he was trying to hold back tears when talking about his grandchild. That's really sweet.

For me, it was the journey of pregnancy, childbirth, and motherhood. Learning humility when being pregnant and having to ask for help. Giving up the self in order to benefit a greater good for your child and family; giving my body to my baby for two years. Becoming feral when trying to go through childbirth without an epidural; experiencing a level of pain that I never knew was possible. Overcoming fear and anxiety of having to have major surgery to deliver. Dealing with the fear and anxiety of trying to be a good mom. The marvel and awe at experiencing how your own body is capable of so much and yet is so fragile. Moms live the women’s hero journey in real life. It’s just never told in a way that’s inspiring.

Women developing the masculine side later in life makes sense to me as a 55 yr old woman. Now my children have left home and I'm post menopause I'm far more assertive. Having no vulnerable dependents to keep safe means I'm more likely to put myself first and speak my mind. I'm also less giving, which is no bad thing. Lower prolactin (edit, I meant oxytocin not prolactin) levels help. I'm quite ruthlessly cutting out extraneous things. It's also nice to have some headspace to do more deep thinking.

We have Greek goddesses such as Artemis and Athena who are independent types and Athena was actually a patroness of male heroes, helping them on their missions. We have Hestia who never married and who in a way was an inwardly focused, spiritual type, goddess of the hearth. Other goddesses are relationship/motherhood-oriented types such as Hera and Demeter, there's young Persephone that captures the youthful, vulnerable feminine. And we also have Aphrodite, of course. There's a book on the subject called "Goddesses in Everywoman" by a Jungian analyst, Jean Shinoda Bolen. It's not all virgin/mother/old wise woman typical stuff. Greek mythology is a great source of a variety of female archetypes, maybe not classic heroes, but c'mon Athena is just awesome :)

There are some legends of women taming dragons and taming monsters and rescuing captives. I don't think women have a slaying trope. Female archetypes involve a lot of sacrifice. If you think of the Hans Christian Anderson fairy tales, the original Little Mermaid and Gerta in the Snow Queen, you watch the journey of a female character that suffers a lot to save someone. It's in Greek legends with Eros and Psyche as well.

Jesus Christ: Dragon Slayer

I think what people get so caught up in when talking about archetypes like this is that "feminine" and "masculine" are metaphors to an extent. Sure, females will tend towards the feminine, and males will tend towards the masculine, but it's not that simple. Even Peterson says that an individual of either sex can embody either, both or neither, but people still get upset at the perceived pigeon-holing. As an aside, it reminds me how in general people get to caught up in statistical trends. Trends of demographics in statistics are descriptive, not prescriptive. Some people will see some statistic which says, for the sake of example, younger people are more likely to prefer pop music. This doesn't mean that a young person MUST like pop music. It's merely a descriptive trend, and isn't there to tell people how things "should" be.

Katara from Avatar is really the best example of a female hero IMO. She never pretends that she isn't female, and completely embraces that part of herself. In fact much of her development is to better take care of those around her. A more defensive protector like a mother bear to her cubs. She also isn't combative in a competitive way, competition works differently for Women than for Men and this is shown in her favour of diplomacy and combat style. She isn't fighting to be flashy or out power her opponent, just disable their ability to hurt her or her group.

After watching this, I understand why Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor are such good characters, they are both essentially a Mother/Warrior hero.

I always think of the Wizard of Oz when I think of the female hero archetype: She encounters chaos, adventures into the unknown. Her house falls on the Wicked witch, which I see as her encountering her shadow. She's asked the questions "What kind of witch are you?" She faces her masculine side "Oz" - freeing and redeeming him in the process, slays the Wicked witch, learns the profound lesson that she has what she needs within herself all along. Then, she returns home to communicate what she's learned on her adventures to her friends and family. Dorothy is a "masculine hero" and she is female, and nobody questions it because it's a perfectly timeless archetypal story. And, she also fulfills the feminine archetypes that Peterson describes in this video, by taming the beasts she encounters.

"Im so happy about that" *has the most neutral expression ever to grace the earth*

You become a hero(ine) when you are alone and everyone and everything has abandoned you and yet you still choose to make the right soul choice despite it all. The walls I have put around my heart is the dragon protection that keeps out those so eager to steal away the pure and innocent part of me left in me. I am both characters in one body. Its not about destroying the dragon but about realizing that its a defence mechanism that should be integrated into one being because without one or the other the innocent will be destroyed and the dragon powerful will never feel or be able to let anybody close so that's where I'm at right now

Kali is also a hero. Kali destroys demons and by drinking their blood she purifies the earth from their sins. She might be terrifying but only to the weak who let themselves be manipulated by demons. Also, she is an appeal to her husband Shiva who, by his spiritual strength, will sooth her horrific anger and help her return to her original form, Shakti or "mother nature" as you want it. If mother nature is offended, only a impeccable mind can do something.

I think there's an interesting pre-pubescent female heroine archetype. She is Lucy in 'The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe'. Hermione in Harry Potter, Little Red Riding hood. Usually, the youngest sister in a family of princesses. Ofelia in Pans Labyrinth (Del Toro is very clear she is the great female heroine archetype and talks about this in interviews on the dvd).There is a suggestion that before puberty her sexuality is not a distraction, and her physical prowess is at it's height (think pre-pubescent gymnasts).

Self-sacrifice is the symbolic representation of both sexes. I can't tell you how many war movies I've seen where somebody sacrifices himself for his brothers. For his nation. This moves my husband like nothing else. Where my husband and I have a philosophical disconnect is when we debate what is worth the ultimate sacrifice. He'd sacrifice anything for honor. I'd sacrifice my honor for those that I love. I cannot count how many times that's come up as a point of conversation in our marriage. But that's why Mary's sacrifice is considered so great. For a woman to sacrifice her child for something bigger is THE ultimate of ultimates.

A Hero subjugates his selfishness not only for his children, but for all people. And lets say that's masculine spirit. = Be humble A feminine spirit subjugates it for her own flesh and blood. Something that is made of her. = Be compassionate We all have both masculine and feminine energy inside of ourselves, and we should all always be mindful of what both archetypes represent, and act in accordance.

A common theme in fairy tales is the girl's heroic quest to rescue her brothers. She always undergoes great hardships, suffering in silence, misunderstood and accused of horriffic crimes and only being vindicated in the end as her labors free the brothers from the evil enchantment.

Fantastic balance is the key! Gentle kind and generous doesn’t equal weak. You can definitely be both strong and gentle. Hence men’s paternal nature and women’s maternal nature.❤️❤️❤️❤️

Ruth, the Moabite (faithful) Esther (bravery) Deborah ( strong matriarch, or female leader type) are all female Archetypes

It's so heartwarming to hear him talk about his grandchild.

There is a common archetype for korean drama which is about a rich, handsome, smart, but arrogant, hard to approach, and harsh man accidentally meet a below average woman and fell in love with her and she can't help to notice him too then try to grow the man into a better character. Korean drama then put a variety of variables around that archetypes and make it a huge hit all over the world, especially with girls.

Beauty and The Beast is my favorite story. Watching it, thinking about it, hearing others describe it, always makes me well up. I relate to it so deeply. He's expressed a desire to speak at greater length about Beauty And the Beast, but unless I've missed it, I think he has yet to. I sincerely hope that he breaks it down in detail one day.

My mother will forever be one of my biggest heroes

Interestingly enough... In the book of Revelation, MARY is the one who literally confronts a dragon in the Apostle John's vision. In the gospels, JESUS is the one who is compassionate to the sick/outcast/destitute.

My grandmother raised 5 children (lost 2) in late 1800's early 1900's alone with no job and a father who ran off with another woman and never returned to help. she was an amazing survivor and instilled her 5 kids with religion and responsibility. Then my own mother raised 3 children after a divorce and worked in a sewing machine factory and again instilled in us kids religion and responsibility, then I myself, raised one child in same circumstances. Women alone do jobs on both sides of the coin, the feminine roles and also the masculine roles. Everything from carrying out garbage, to analyzing and investment, to talking on a an equal level with doctors, as well as doing the annual taxes. These women are unsung heros ....never lived in welfare, never took a handout...did it all on their own. Society does not recognize these women as archetypes. but I sure do! I am so in awe and proud of my Grandma and my Mom. Women who were logical, responsible, loving, strong in character and morality.....real true heros.......yup they are my archetypes!

Aww..Just this once I was hoping for more from Dr. Jordan Peterson. Not that it’s his fault - I think there’s just not much there. As a girl growing up though I always wanted to “reach for something”, and I had nobody but males to look up to. Since the cool stories were all based on males too, I just assumed males had all the cool qualities. They were strong, smart, heroic, brave, resourceful - all of it. Females, meanwhile, were defenseless, emotional, never understood anything that was happening, and their big claim to fame was either being beautiful, or stupidly sacrificing themselves in some fashion because as a weak female, they weren’t capable of doing more than that. So, obviously, I grew up a tom boy and it took me a while to get in touch with my femininity. I don’t regret the way I went about life, but I do wish there’d been some women to look up to, because it would have given me more self-esteem as a child. Disney movies have changed a bit now so females can be a little more proactive, which is nice. I feel though that we’re still in our infancy of developing story-worthy heroines. A lot of the heroines just seem like watered down versions of heros. Or female knockoffs of male heros. Here’s what I’d like to see more of, personally: - Bring back that old trope of “woman’s intuition” - Bring back the “wise wife” who always knows the right answers - The heroine that will go to hell and back to save a child (Like in that Aliens movie with Newt) - The young girl that assumes the mother role in the absence of the mother herself - The intellectual, creative girl/girls whose gifted thinking changes the world (like the female British war gamers in WW2) - The woman warrior who defends her family (like the wives of Samurai were trained to do) - The female mathematicians, inventors, and analytical/predictive crime solvers (looking like normal people and not mannequins) - The female thief anti-hero (but nothing in a cat suit) - The female child prodigy And this one, which may be something of my own idealistic mind, but: - The girl that befriends the brotherhood and in doing so, brings a lot to the table (since most women want to be friends with men and society exaggerates how “impossible” that is) - The girl who comes of age by learning the value of hard work and bravery (as in Spirited Away) I wish we could get at least some cartoons, movies, and TV shows where the females aren’t rolling out of bed wearing a face so laden with makeup it would take at least 40 minutes to apply. Some real hairstyles would be nice. Honestly there’s probably plenty of female heroines these days for women who are in highschool and up, but I think there’s still not a lot for girls in gradeschool, and, personally, I think that’s much more important. That’s when young girls really struggle with feelings of inferiority because you’re battling a lot of fresh, raw feelings of sensitivity and empathy among a pack of wild, uncivilised kids and a bunch of mean little boys who, by in large, haven’t developmentally caught up with a girl’s emotional milestones, but are learning to form boy-packs and value masculine qualities. It’s very easy for little girls to get a hit to their ego and feel ashamed of their gender at that age. I think some little girls can fall into the trap of labelling themselves as “pretty princesses” defensively, and they end up hiding behind that coverup to their insecurity for a long time, even to the extent of playing dumb. For some, it eventually just defines them. I think that’s unfortunate. I’m happy I escaped that and learned to value the deeper worthiness in women.

So what about Athena the Greek goddess of war? That archetype has been around for way longer. Love Peterson but I really feel that he's insulting female heroism by reducing it to giving birth

I want to point out that two of the biggest heroines in cinema, Sarah Connor from terminator, and Ripley from alien. Fall very well into the heroine archetype Jordan described, where instead of fighting for a man and slaying a beast simply to destroy evil, they both fight to protect a symbolic or biological son or daughter. And you can see that all over fiction, men figthing to protect women and women fighting to protect their children. Even Samus and Bayonetta fought to protect some sort of child after they formed a maternal bond with them

I'm surprised nobody has talked about mama bears in the comment section.

My favourite female hero is Mulan, then Esmeralda. I can really relate to Mulan and I admite Esmeraldas kindness

The earliest stories ever written tell the epic hero’s journeys of the incredibly powerful Sumerian goddess, Inanna. In “Inanna and the Mes” she “steals” the powers of the gods, repelling monsters as she escapes. As the feminine archetype, she already has compassion, but her experience with the god Enki gives her knowledge. She returns the hero, with the wisdom to share the divine gifts with ALL the people. (You need both compassion and wisdom to be truly wise.) Her story’s incredible, considering it was written millennia before the same kind of tale about Prometheus; but also considering how rare female heroic stories are in history, after male heroic stories like the “Epic of Gilgamesh” take over. Dr. Peterson covers a lot, but there’s something we haven’t understood about these stories. So I’m working on videos to explain what we have been overlooking!

So... no one is going to mention the actual 'Slayer'; Buffy? Very much follows the hero archetype. Her powers are the result of having a bit of demon in her. She actually sacrifices herself to save the world (and her sister) and is resurrected to fight again and 'share her power'. Best modern interpretation of the female hero in my not so humble opinion.

It's interesting he for once addressed this subject. Though I am a little disappointed that the female heroic figures he described are either related to maternity, or the "civilizing" of their man to mould him into a better person. As if their personal fulfillment mainly (if not exclusively) revolved around their contribution to those around them through some form of self sacrifice. Why is the development of their own self not addressed? Why does their worth seem to almost only come from their potential to improve/nurture others? Moreover, I personally think you can only improve others if you've got yourself figured out first: so how do we first reach that state of completeness of the self, so that we can proceed to give to those around us?

To the people asking what about Kali and Inanna and Anat and Sekhmet? Yes these goddesses were known as warriors; symbols of war in fact. But none of those goddesses can be considered archetypal heroes in the same sense as the archetypal masculine. An agent of war is not the same thing as a dragon slaying hero because one brings about order and the other chaos. If you read their descriptions you'll realise they're almost identical; they comprise of the attributes, sexuality and war/death - very much embodying the feminine archetype. The trope of chaos (among other things) has always been embedded in the feminine archetype (often paired with sexual passion). Because the archetypal female embodies nature in all its range and so she is both chaotic and beautiful.

I find this example of women archetypes to be incomplete. The women who slays a dragon must be developed. I don’t mean to take away at all from the male dragon slaying archetype. Not at all. But we must, in the future, develop their character more. The women archetype is not fully defined, it is unclear. At present, women are seeking to be men. No, this is not right. Men are men, and power to them. What is it to be a heroic woman?. Is it just patience and suffering. Can’t be. No. But what? I hope we find it.

It seems that at the end of all these examples, there is just one heroine archetype, the one that sacrifices, suffers and denies herself. Similar to men. But women do it in a passive way. Men do the actions and are known by their actions, not their suffering.

There are female heroes of the active, warlike kind in Greco-Roman mythology - Atalanta and the Amazons, and warlike female deities - Athena and Artemis.

The virtues are neither feminine or masculine and in order to become a saint one must correct themselves and bring their natures into subjection. The masculine tendencies lean one way and the feminine another but the saint is all round perfect - the masculine must develop that which comes more easily to the the feminine and the feminine must develop what comes more natural to the masculine. When reading the lives of the saints if you took out the pronouns you would not be able to tell if they were masculine or feminine, .... this is why Catholicism has always been miles ahead of the rest of the world in equality - all are require to make themselves perfect.

Just talked with my wife about this last night. We were talking about why we enjoy movies like Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, but feel like they fall just a little short. I told her Jordan Peterson would have an answer. And. Here RU-vid algorithm saves the day.

Jesus is both the dragonslayer and the healer archetype in Jordan’s analogy; if anything, what he says Mary exemplifies is in fact better exemplified by Jesus; Jesus defeated evil and death with love and life, not a sword. I just don’t get the analogy here.

I've spent a lot of years using the Psyche Eros myth as my model for the female hero archetype. Robert Johnson and a few other Jungians have written extensively about this myth and the tasks given to Psyche.... so much of them are about how the natural world comes to her rescue during each task. Her love for Eros requires that she disobeys the rules and it's such a rare and extraordinary story for women. "She" by Robert Johnson is a beautiful read. Thanks Jordon.

I loved the way he announced the birth of his grandson, you could see the happiness through his eyes

Males heroes: heracles achilles Traits: strong and confidant Female heroes: athena queen of sheeba Traits: empathetic and diplomatic.

Examples of good women heroes: 1) Gerda from the "Snow Queen" 2) Elisa from "Twelve Wild Swans" 3) Belle from "Beauty and the Beast"

i think the 'beauty and the beast' story can be seen as the representation of the logos as serving the feminine. Usually JP describes the archetypal masculine hero as the figure the confronts terrible chaos and turns it into habitable order and so it's implied the feminine hero is the figure who (on behalf of the rejuvenating chaos) confronts tyranny (beast/negative masculine) and liberates the world from its dominion. This also maps really nicely onto the idea of left-leaning political philosophy being related to the feminine/chaos because the left is chiefly that which challenges the hierarchy.

I am male but have felt like my feminine side (archetypally) was always more well developed earlier on in my life.

" I like children ", yes I like children as well I can remember a rainy day when all the adults were miserably walking around, then I saw a kid jumping in a puddle with a look of pure joy on their face, children show us there's still joy and wonder to be found in the world around us.

So... she braves the horrific dilemma of The Creator of Life. she tames The Beast to craft a prince of him. she awakens her inner strength and takes control of herself (her "kingdom"). Probably a coming of age. Sounds legit.

So many classic fairy tales and epic fictions were written at a time when the power females have was unrealized. They were oftentimes portrayed as more docile receiving creatures. However, nowadays archetypes are so often more varied, the mixture of the diverse inner workings is uncategorical almost. Greek myths are an exception, but even so, many powerful women were portrayed as virgins which is not as important now.

RU-vid served an ad for ‘Frozen’ before this, which was one of Peterson’s pet hates.

Higher understanding shows us that every person can posses and develop their unique blend of divine masculine and feminine qualities.

In many folktales the female heroic archetypes distiniguish themselves through hard work ( Maid Maleen, Cinderella, Vasilisa) or intelligence (Scheherazade, Morgiana, Huryo) or endurance (Udea, Psyche, Thumbelina) as well as beauty and kindness. The motives can also be similar for male and female hero types - wealth, power, love, good marriages, righters of wrongs, keepers of peace, sheer vengefulness. As you might expect there are more male war hero types but even here there are many female war hero types to be found too (Maeve, Hippolyta, Draupadi) just as you find males like Orpheus and Adonis and Diarmuid Ua Duibhne famed for their grace, creativity and beauty. Prince Charming types are as much a prize as any King's daughter.

I love this man so much :)

Aren't heroes by definition without gender? A man can find Florence Nightingale or Emmeline Pankhurst heroic. It's what they do, what they achieve that matters.

On that last part. "There's a heroic subjugation of selfishness that goes along with that that's characteristic, deeply characteristic of the proper feminine spirit." Makes me think of my wife. When she was writing up the birth plan for when we had our son she emphasized in it, really was the focus of it, that if any thing were to happen and they had to choose to save either her or our son she explicitly told them that they were to save our son. I thought I couldn't love her any more than I did but that was breathtakingly beautiful and pure.

Jordan 'I've spent a lotta time thinking about this' Peterson. Lol Much love tho🙏💚

I need to start this by saying that I am a women so that my words won’t be misunderstood. For young girls: Taming the beast...remember...not a dragon. Dragons must be slain and evil destroyed.. You can help to tame the beast in the good person you choose to marry. You cannot tame evil which is different. It is not compassionate to tolerate evil. If a man is not good, don’t enable evil to dominate you by associating with him. Actually, it’s not just about compassion. I think in Shakespeare’s Pericles, Pericles’s daughter illustrates how women can improve men by their own virtuous conduct. Men and women are not straight arrows anymore and they don’t fly right and have a hard time upholding traditional standards of humanity. Amid so much confusion can you conquer evil and improve mankind? Only with great conviction, understanding, and an uncompromising will towards good. Don’t look for external beasts and dragons. In a time where no one protects you, you must keep distance and safeguard yourself. Don’t tolerate it even slightly. Walk away. This is protecting you, your future, your family, your future family, and countless others. Don’t enable men whose evil is out of control. You need to keep a distance.

As a childless woman I agree with him. The level of sacrifice in motherhood is heroic, I could see it since I was a kid and then decided don't go for it.

Lose the music at the end... :S

Anybody else think that, aside from the accent, Peterson sounds almost exactly like Bob Odenkirk (Saul Goodman from Breaking Bad)?

Heroism in males is a pathway to status. Heroism in females is a pathway to sympathy. An action that tests and roughens a man makes him stronger. An action that tests and roughens a woman makes her prematurely old.

Interesting. I've always been interested in masculine and feminine hobbies like dresses and jewellery but also building things and driving big cars. I don't think women become more masculine after kids, just more tough. As for attraction. Of coarse women find muscular men more attractive, it shows health, discipline, it's sexy. Just like a curvy woman is sexy to a man. Isn't it sexy for men to see a female hero archetype? Rather than one who sits and does knitting? Even though I'm straight I can see a strong female figure as more attractive than one who just goes shopping.

If we are talking about female archetypes I think great example could be Vasilisa from Russian folklore. French folklore has a lot of amazing examples of female characters: donkey skin, a story of Little Annet (I'm not sure how it's called in english, I read it in another language), Italian fairytales too - they are less known but they portrait amazing cunning and resourceful women.

I like Jordan Peterson, and I personally agree with a lot of what he says, but I think the way he speaks about men, and women especially, is waaaaaaay too reductive and semplistic. He said it too. 60% of women are stereotypical, caring and nurturing and agreeable, but 40% of them are not. So, when you point at a woman walking in the streey and say "she is a cute and feminine flower" 6 times out of 10 you might be right, but 4 you will be wrong. That is NOT a small percentage. That means almost 2 billion people, and not that far from half the female population. What is the female archetype for them then? Why does it always have to do with motherhood? Are women really nothing more than their animal breeding "needs"? and about bisexual and gay women? I'm sad to say this, but I think his religious background is showing, alongside with a bit of male-centricity bias. I'm not sure if he was a woman, and had lived 60 years in this world with the point of view of a woman, his stand on this argument would be the same. The way he speaks almost makes it like women who are not motherly and agreeable are "broken", or at the very least not normal. The way he speaks is very dangerous. Women NEED and have to be heroes too, not only weeping widows and grieving mothers.

QUESTION: Is there such a thing as a Shero?, or is there a kind of Heroine who, typically, is grossly underrated? -- not just a damsel in constant need of rescuing -- lol !! Is it woman's destiny to be a Hero enabler? / Hero's life support system -- to tend to his wounds on return from the wars? / to get him ready for the next stage of his fulfilment? / conferring honour and benefits on all who watch his back? -- or are there other roles women can play that are equally challenging / rewarding to self / beneficial to all? I'm reminded of the wingless Gelfling boy (Jen) and his female companion (Kira), the winged Gelfling girl, from Jim Henson's THE DARK CRYSTAL -- where Kira saves the day when Jen's heroism alone is not quite enough -- can women keep an eye on things and step in decisively as and when things are just about to go wrong -- lol !! I'm busy getting / keeping my house in order -- shouldn't each one us order our houses in alignment / atunement with whom we actually are / with whom we're actually trying to become -- regardless of gender? "What you are is God's gift to you; who you become is your gift to God." -- Hans von Balthazar !! People of all genders tend to try to dominate others when they feel inferior, or when they're so sure of their facts that they are no longer willing to tolerate time-wasting -- however, women tend be sure of their rhetoric (they think 'facts') when they have no real basis for being so sure -- I call this unreasonable certainty and, too often, insane certainty -- there is nothing more arrogant and shut down to reason that an arrogant / humility-less woman !! And Nigel Farage is not into domination -- he just demolished the European Parliament with FACTS !! Godless women are more of a pain than godless men -- is Cressida with or without God? At least a good man has reason -- and being a slave to reason (as good men try to be) is synonymous with trying to be the best possible servant of God -- NOT my WILL, BUT thy WILL BE DONE !! With neither reason nor God, women become a force for evil = totally jucking counterproductive !! Q: Is Cressida for, or against, God? A: Dunno !! Q: How many Feminists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Don't be stupid, Feminists can't change anything !! Q: Is Christian Feminist an Oxymoron? A: Yes !! Q: Is Christianity compatible with Republicanism? A: No !! Q: How come the greatest female scammer I've ever met was Filipina Mary-Ann Tupa? -- author of Amazon book: SHACKLE (with picture of a man and his wife handcuffed together at the wrist) !! -- she wanted me to teach male and female politicians how to.get along with each other -- lol -- I love challenge -- lol !! And Mary-Ann Tupa was a Roman Catholic who said grace before every meal religiously -- omg, are some women weird? -- but I love her and want to marry her, and live off her immoral earnings -- she's beautiful, and immaculately presented, and she laughs at my jokes: e.g. "Commando to invisible waste-paper basket: I'd really like to get to know the real you" !! **--> Mary-Ann, where are you?

I think that what Jung says about the female needing to develop her masculine side later in life is insightful. *In spite of how much society wants to discard this idea, do you kind of feel like the stereotype that men are more inclined to be interested in systems, ideas, and, in general, the things that matter, while women tend to invest themselves in more trivial things like gossip and drama, is to some extent accurate?* In films, the men are traditionally portrayed as composed and in control, while the women are erratic, passionate, irrational, and need to be controlled-or, often, saved. Of course, all men and women are different, and a lot of these older cultural cliches are over-embellished, but I don't think it's right to dismiss them as inaccurate. There's a lot of evidence that men tend to be more logical and women more emotional. Not to testify to the accuracy of the MBTI test, but there's a significantly higher percentage of males who test as T (thinking) types and, conversely, women who test as F (feeling) types. You can even see a pattern in the types of occupations men and women tend to choose. *I think that the male archetype is more developed than the female archetype because, in order to have an interesting hero who fights for something that matters, the hero needs to have that masculine element of logic, or the voice of reason.* They must have a desire to understand ideas and systems in order to control outcomes, using that logic. That's not to say that emotion doesn't have its purpose in doing great things, but, if you think about the two extremes of logic and emotion, the one that will reign supreme without the help of the other is logic. Men are better at keeping that emotion in check while logic, their dominant function, takes over. As a female, I test as a T type and, from a young age, I've always had a natural urge to design and control things, as well as think with logic over emotion. I've also noticed a lot of random masculine tendencies in myself. However, as I got older and started to like men, I kind of felt the sort of feminine chaotic emotional state taking over at times-wanting to be taken care of, a desire to be held down and controlled-which directly contradicts my regular temperament. I think that women in general, regardless of how much of an intellectual affinity they have for logic and ideas, have a biological proclivity for being an irrational mess of chaos and emotion that needs to be tamed. *The gentle, submissive nature that characterizes being ruled by emotion makes women in their primal state too soft to assert control over anything.* This might be kind of weird, but one of the masculine tendencies I have is that I'll often derive pleasure from mentally assuming the role of the man when thinking about some sort of sexual scenario, and understanding exactly how, say, spanking a girl (or just dominating her in general) is gratifying and arousing. (I would say I'm pretty heterosexual, to clarify, and also fine with being female.) *But, in order for me to get sexually aroused in my own body-or, more precisely, assume the role/perspective of myself in the sexual encounter, which is essential if I want to engage my physical body in the fantasy rather than just my mind-I have to transition my mental temperament into my submissive and emotional side.* Sometimes, if I'm indulging in the fantasy of a sexual romantic relationship for too long-in order for me to get turned on by the relationship, there needs to be the dominant/submissive element-I start to retain a bit of that gentle, compliant mindset outside of the fantasy, which affects my ability to be assertive and sharp in everyday life. This phenomenon usually only happens subtly and goes away, but I've attributed various things to it under the few extreme cases where it's become noticeable. If the submissive mindset transfers over into my non-sexual life, I'll become a little shy (because I'm unsure of myself) and fall into somewhat of a mental slump where I have less desire to conquer ideas and I struggle to generate new things. When this happens, I can get lazy and succumb to a lot of hedonism. *I think this connects to what Jordan says in a lecture about males tending to want to work more and manage things all the time, while females want time to relax and to tend to less rigorous activities, sometimes mothering children.* (I'm not saying mothering isn't difficult, but it requires more of a maternal instinct rather than logical planning.) The problem for me when I assume this state is that, without constant intellectual stimulation and exertion of my creativity, without mastering a system and rigorously devising order, I get bored. Eventually I start to loathe myself if I start to become submissive to, not only a man (or the idea of one), but to life. I need to find a balance between these two states. Anyway, back to what Jung says about older women needing to develop their more masculine side: I think that every female does have a deep-thinker, logical, assertive side, but, as a younger woman, it's easier and more fun to let the submissive, chaotic side run free because a.) it's in your biological nature, b.) it's easier to be irrational and intellectually stagnant, and c.) you want to indulge the dominant/submissive role-play (it kind of is a role-play that's manifested in real life) as much as possible while you're young and hot. *I'm not saying women aren't intelligent when they aren't mentally masculine, they just aren't pouring their intelligence into meaningful things, which takes discipline and control.* As women get older and physically stray from that sexual ideal, the appeal of focusing on the trivial becomes less apparent and the desire to immerse the self in understanding the complexity of the world becomes greater. Some adults, even men, never grow out of the concrete, materialistic phase and I've noticed that these adults tend to be the ones that gossip about neighbors or express disapproval of a bunch of random things. Getting back on track, I think women may actually have it slightly harder in the modern world, not because they are oppressed, but because they are faced with the struggle of switching modes all the time, between submissiveness in romantic relationships (at least heterosexual ones), and dominance in the workforce. You don't want to give up either one, but they require such opposing requests from your psyche. Men can just go from asserting control at work to asserting control in the bedroom without an internal crisis. *In order to have an appealing female archetype, I think it's essential for her to be good at balancing these two mental states, transitioning almost flawlessly into the appropriate one at the appropriate time.* She is gentle and vulnerable with her love interest, but strategic and controlling in her quest to do something influential and great. *This is where radical feminism gets narrow-minded about how women should act and be portrayed. It's as if they want to eradicate the inherent sexual nature of the female, along with the context-the male/female control/chaos dynamic-in which it thrives.* I realize that this might only apply to heterosexual women, but that's kind of the focus when we're dealing with the archetype of the female in general. *I feel like the lesbian female archetype seems much more plausible of a concept.* These are just my thoughts and my interpretation of what I've experienced and observed. If you think I'm just psycho, you could be right. I don't really know if other women feel the same way. The topic is a bit too personal, as well and complex and specific, to have ever come up in convo. Lol. And, in order for a woman to fully relate, she might even need to be somewhat similar to me with regard to my masculine temperament. I also could've totally misinterpreted Jung in every capacity. OK, well, this is the longest RU-vid comment I've ever written. I hope someone is insane enough to read it. If you do, please comment your thoughts.

🎊 Congrats Sir... Grandpapa... Yay. You are blessed.. I love you Mr Jordan Peterson..God sent you to help me be a better mother and a good parent. You have become my guru. I'm a single mother to four children. And I play your videos often so you help teach my children.. Since I hate telling them that they come from a dysfunctional family because their father isn't present. Anyway this is off the topic.. But having real Male teacher around like you imparts wisdom..is a blessing. Its clarity to so many life issues. I thank you so much.

This is why Daenerys I think is such a great female character to me. She represented the mother archetype completely. I've definitely read up on some of Jungs theories but I never came across the whole masculine and feminine parts of the Psyche before. That's something I've been thinking myself. That all humans have different levels of human traits, which can be categorised into masculine and feminine. Also that coming to a balance of all human traits is not only what makes for a developed society but a developer individual.

There are so many great feminine heroes, my personal role model was Dana Scully and in many ways still is. I grew up reading and loving Pippi Longstocking and I still love that so much. As you see, red hair seemed to be an essential. ;) Anyways, I love Dana Scully because she is both incredibly brave and intelligent and putting herself on the line for the right thing but she is also the most beautiful and soft woman I could imagine, she's very nurturing and loving, she's a Catholic Christian, she's sacrificed so much and she's very motherly as well. ♡ I love that women come in many ways but personally I find it extremely important to nourish your femininity before and as you become a heroine. Jordan Peterson has a great way of illustrating those topics.

Hurrah for Jordan Peterson💃

"Behind every great man is a great woman" sums it up.

I like the outro music but please wait until he’s done talking.

I was actually shocked, as a mom and as a student and a reader and a writer, and a human alive in 2020 that this was a question. The “hero” could be female. *pause* Or any number of other non-binary things. *pause again* I would invite people to expand their reading, my early childhood was shaped by heroines like Nancy Drew and Brenda Starr, my daughter loves heroes like Ana from frozen and my son is obsessed with Katniss Everdeen and princess Zelda (brush up on some Hyrule Compendium). 🤷‍♀️

I note that where you see a female hero in culture she tends to be very sexy. I think that this is because this is not a woman's conception of a hero, but that of the man who is writing the story. That is, it is a fetish of the writer.

Goddess Durga is the ultimate female hero architype. She is a slayer of demons and the protector of humanity. In Hinduism, "power" is considered feminine energy and is represented by Goddess Durga.

Ayra Stark, Katniss Everdeen, Athena, Luna Lovegood. My favorite Heroines. What does that say about me? Feminine, masculine, bit of both? I don't like fawning passive subservient female heros.. can't defend their children.

Maiden, mother, crone - in no sequence nor timing . So impressed with JP’s answer

Pippi Longstocking Buffy the Vampire Slayer Xena the Warrior Princess There have to be others in antiquity. Goddess Athena? Boudicca and Joan of Arc, but they were historical figures, not archetypes... Also, basically every IRL girl I've ever lusted after.

I liked the subjugation of selfishness for the infant. But those female archetypes seem insufficient, an giving birth doesn't strike me as heroic. Is not the right word for that imho; Mary was a special case where she sacrificed one for the many in some sense. I saw somewhere a breakdown of male archetypes into four, them being the King, the Warrior, The Magician, and the Lover. I think the female ones where Lover, Mother, Queen, and Wise Woman.

Ellen Ripley. Not overly masculine one could argue feminine. But a total badass. She has the best line in any movie that's ever existed. Alien 2 at the end.... "Get away from her you B!T(H."

What is truly excellent is when a female fictional character is portrayed as having integrity. A trait that I think alot of society and ficition doesn't focus enough on. The integrity to not take undeserved things presented on a silver platter even when offered for instance.

Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones is the best, modern example of a female hero i can come up with. She is extremely feminine and extremely powerful. She is the MOTHER of dragons and assumes a very maternal dominance. She is the pinnacle of strong, FEMALE characters. Note: i do not consider examples of characters who's gender is unimportant to the character

A woman's love for her child is selfish, because the child is an extension of herself. I have chickens, and I have seen the exact same look of total devotion in the eyes of a mother hen towards her chicks. We are just a complex species of animals with opposing thumbs and the ability to communicate through language which is the reason we catogorize/words. I do like Dr. Peterson, but don't agree with him 100%.

He also needs to delve into the female antihero.

The woman raises the hero. The female hero archetype is the perfect mother/nurturer. Even when a woman isn't a mother (Ariel, Aurora, Belle), they are still the ones who nurture others to their full potential.

We out here slayin dargons

Another really interesting insight into the feminine and masculine heroes, at least in the original Christianity, is that the feminine hero of Mary is also believed to be (in feminine ways) a dragon slayer, as is referenced in song of songs and revelations ("Thou art beautiful, O my love, sweet and comely as Jerusalem: terrible as an army set in battle array."). She's believed to be feared by devils, to be the one who crushes the head of the snake. And similarly, the masculine hero's secondary nurturing, teaching, self-sacrificing natures manifest themselves in Christ. Even they as characters are more than their archetypes, they are fully fleshed-out examples to live by.

Boudica!! Ellen Ripley!!

what about other female archetypes like Kali, Athena, Diana, Freya and Brigid. There are so many of them. Until you address those you don't really have the whole picture.

I am so pissed off...so pissed off...I am just gonna post this quote... Women, you are not rehabilitation centres for badly raised men… It's not your job to fix him, change him, parent or raise him. You want a partner not a project. - Julia Roberts. Jk rowling has been criticized a lot but Harry Potter is not so outdated...all her female characters were badass and powerful...sometimes were the smartest like Hermione...I swear if my husband is not a feminist and a nice Guy really nice and cute and lovely I am not marrying him. Bad boys suuuck.we need to change things, women. We are the ones who are choosing. Choose well...

"I'm a grandfather so HURRAY for that" Pahahaha I laughed so hard when he said that, even though it was genuine ahaha.

Tolkien's Eowyn? 😊

Female = magnetic Male = electric We dance an eternal dance 💃🌱💚🌍

Not impressed with this but will look at what he referenced at the start of the video. Perhaps part of the issue is popular literature doesnt have enough female heroes. These female hero archetypes are stale. Now, i will say kid wise i have not watched any of the disney Moana, etc movies. Finally the idea that a female would sacrifice herself for her children is boring. I think it has to do with age. Though not possible, if i were they same age or near the same age as my child then it would be fight for yourself (in a situation where we face a threat). At least what's referenced at the beginning is a starting point. Ultimately, i think western society still needs a revisioning if what a female hero is.

Wow. Elite flow he was on there, offering quite a fresh perspective. Excellent clip. I love the information about archetypes. Such a great medium for us to learn virtues relevant to life. Thank you for sharing.