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Jordan Peterson is surely reading and understanding the Bible through his fleshly lens of philosophical rationalism, which has him focused on the letter and the law. But he has not yet begun to discover the grace of God; let's hope and pray that he discovers the grace we have in Christ and does not go the way of Cain.
@@williamburroughs2273 Im 100 percent confident he will be in the Kingdom. No doubt Cain believed the message of grace when he was a young lad. Making sacrifices is a fellowship thing not a positional thing. Why would God say this about Cain if he were an unbeliever "15 And the LORD said to him, “Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him." Or why good God say to an unbeliever 'And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” - Only believers can rule over Sin. Cain is an example of living unrighteously, He is not however, and example of an unsaved person. You're looking to His works to see whether he is saved but his works only show how he is living, it doesn't show whether He has believed in Christ. I think the evidence points to the fact that Cain was saved.
@@ZandJ12345 First John Chapter 3, Verse 12 says, “Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous.” Cain belonged to Satan, the evil one.
@@biblestudyisimportant Notice who these instructions are addressed too? - Born again believers. God is warning born again believers not to be like Cain. It's quite possible for believers to be like Cain in their experience and live unrighteously. Nothing in this passage states that Cain was unsaved but quite the opposite as this passage is dealing with believers living unrighteously. If we abide in Christ we will live righteously, If we do not abide in Christ we will live unrighteously and will be of the Devil in our experience.
I am so grateful to the Lord, that you exist. With God's strength, may you always continue this wonderful ministry to spread the sound teachings of the Bible 🙏 greetings from Germany
If you want a religion that promises a better afterlife by being a good man, that’s basically every other one. JP bothers me because I still think he thinks of Christianity symbolically, as a useful metaphor. Its message is radically different.
I’m starting to think it’s impossible for anyone with a large platform/audience/fame to present the gospel clearly. We have all of these ex-atheists converting to Catholicism and becoming two-fold more the children of hell.
Right! Everyone thinks Jordan Peterson is saved and so smart because he speaks about theology and philosophy and Christianity a lot, but, he isn't saved. He may believe in God, but he has no faith in christ.
I've been using this string of verses for near 10 years now to convey to family and friends that are stuck in the Baptist/Calvanist churches and they just can't grasp it.... Thank you for this video!!
Thank you very much for your teaching ( from the netherlands) i have always been afraid of loosing my salvation. But now i know that He is the only way, by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
"And That Not Of Yourselves" people need to Ingrain this in their minds. We cannot save ourselves. We. Can't. If my good works/performance didn't save me in the first place now all of a sudden after salvation, my good works and performance keep me saved or else it's revoked? Then no believer is saved. Jesus is the Savior, Let Him Save. He doesn't need our human finite help. He's got this. ❤
People who believe they have to work at keeping salvation are actually saying Jesus’ sacrifice is not sufficient. If it’s up to us then we are all in trouble
Matthew 19:17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
And Messiah said Matthew 7:21-23. They called Him Lord. And I am pretty sure they believed that God raised Him from the dead. But they were not keeping God's Law, the same Law that is to be written on every believer's heart. The very Law that Messiah said to keep. If we are His, we will do what He said. Shalom!
@@danielnelson9411 And what is the command the Father says to believe. " "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, you and all your household and you will be saved". If you are trusting in your personal righteousness to maintain salvation, then you dont know Jesus Christ. Salvation is not contigent on righteousness or works.
@@danielnelson9411Unfortunately many pharisees like yourself try and be justified by the law and supposed good works, but seeking to be justified by the law absent from Christ leads to death. And no matter how obedient you think you are its not enough to avoid the penalty of hell, for those who violate one part of the law violate the entire thing so justification by works leads to death, and justification by faith in Christ leads to life. You are on the same road as the pharisees and scribes by claiming to be righteous but denying the only way to righteousness, which is grace through faith and not of a gift of yourselves but a gift from God. Unfortunately the church is loaded with works salvation heretics as yourself claiming to be righteous but denying the faith thereof.
@@danielnelson9411Works salvation heretics who have never been born again like yourself always assume meaning without any proof. The Lord Lord verse was actually directed at pharisee and scribes who were seeking to be justified by works apart from faith in Christ like yourself. You see Jesus was actually telling the scribes that just cause you heal the sick, prophecy, and perform miracles in my name does not mean your are a born again believer, cause those pharisees He was talking to were trying to be justified by their works rather than relying completely on Jesus Christ, as you are not.
Amen brother. Those that are trusting in themselves have not trusted In Jesus apart from works. Romans 4:5. But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVETH ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIETH THE UNGODLY, HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR HIS PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS. First Corinthians 5:21.
Believing Jesus paid your sin debt is step one. Step two is putting your belief into action. The 'fruit' are the things you produce for the Lord: Love, joy, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control (see Galatians 5: 22-23). You produce this 'fruit' inwardly, in your heart, as the Lord changes your personality to conform with the 'image of his Son' (See Romans 8: 29, Colossians 1: 15).
@@colonalklink14 No because our Lord is merciful, but SHOULDN'T YOU honor the Lord with how you live? We shouldn't use salvation as an excuse to remain a bitter, prideful, selfish, judgmental person. A lot of people hide behind their salvation and never truly follow Jesus as THE Way.
Amen Brother Onorato 🙏🏻 For it is written: „And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.“ Matthew 15:10-11 KJV
There are so many people who say that believe means to commit. Like a man named Sean @revealing truth on RU-vid who shows videos of false teachers and sometimes shares his false gospel. He uses the law like Ray Comfort does, saying almost the same words, I didn't hear him say Repent of your sins instead he quotes John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The this Sean says to believe is to commit. It's so sad how many people twist simple words to mean something totally different, esp. Believe. Thank you Ono, for making me aware of these things that people say, but most of all helping me through all of your videos to know how to read the Bible myself and to rightly divide the word of God. Thank you so very much 💕 I thank God for you always and pray that God bless you and all your family and friends.
If you want to know what Matthew 7:21-23 is talking about, you must start at the beginning of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5. If you read Matthew chapters 5, 6, and 7 without stopping, you will see that what Onorato Diamante is teaching is in error. Below is a short outline of the sections of the Sermon on the Mount. In Matthew 5:17-19, Messiah tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. And He said that not the smallest stroke of the Law could disappear until heaven and earth disappeared which is the last prophecy to be fulfilled in the Bible. Therefore, we are to keep the Law just as Messiah told us to even after we are saved. Right after Matthew 5:20, Messiah gives us a better understanding of what some of the commandments mean. And we see how far we have fallen short of being able to keep the Law perfectly. In Matthew 7:21-23, Messiah is concluding the Sermon on the Mount by giving an example of what so called believers have coming for not doing what Messiah told them to do. Which is keeping the Law of Moses. He did not say they had to keep it perfectly but He did say to keep it and to teach others to keep it. Below is where I believe Onorato Diamante fits into the Sermon on the Mount. Onorato Diamante tells you to do the opposite of what Messiah said and takes scripture out of context to try to prove his erroneous teaching. He sure looks like one of the people that Messiah was describing in Matthew 7:21-23. He thinks he is saved but he does not keep the Law of God and teaches others not to keep the Law of God, aka the Law of Moses. Shalom
@danielnelson9411 here we go again, 2000 year of debating that get to nowhere...this is the reason why there are almost 35,000 different kind of christains religion that trying to find the truth and it never have an answer This is why jesus knew this going to happen, just do the will of the father, that's all what jesus want from us, do the will of the father because trying to pinpoint and debating get nowhere
@danielnelson9411 however you teaching deception and a liar, nowhere said anything about "messiah told us to keep the law even after we are saved" I went back and read it, that was your own word! Don't do that!
@danielnelson9411 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. That the whole point!!! We believe on christ because he exceed and above all, we cannot enter without Jesus! That why he fulfilled the laws that WE CAN'T!! STIP TWISTING WHAT HE TRYING TO SAID!
Matthew 19:17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. Deuteronomy 30:11 “For this commandment which I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far away.
@@danielnelson9411 “This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.” 1 John 3:23
@RobRoy1372 with this are you donating money to Onorato? How do you do that? I've tried many times with his patreon account and when I am finished putting all the info in and press join the button doesn't work. Also it asked me for a URL and I forgot what that is. With technical things like this, paying bills and buying things online, I don't understand, I'm not sure what I'm doing, would you help me?
Pray for him and all others lost trying to rationalize their existence through creation and not the creator. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can move mountains and has defeated death!
This man said the word believe means committing your life to god😭😭😭it’s no way ppl fall for this he changed what the word believes means it’s no way im believing anything he said after that
The Bible is a spiritual book, and the truth is spiritually discerned. You can't gleam the truth, no matter how much you try and use psychoanalysis and the wisdom of men to try and have the glorious light of the gospel revealed to you
Some people just have bad theology. Not everyone who has bad theology is a wolf or a false prophet either. We must have good discernment to qualify them too. Let's give him some grace, he sounds like he could be a new Christian figuring things out.
Romans Chapter 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Notice many unsaved people reads the NIV.I tell them you need to stick with KJV and throw that NIV in garage cause it will keep hell's gate wide open for you.
Galatians 3:21 - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. Galatians 3:22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
The Lord gave Jordan a big brain and an even bigger heart, with a very strong desire to use them to help others. Those are Gods desires, he doesn’t want us to do it on our own though. I feel like Jordan is still wrestling with God a bit.
Finally a simple, logical, and biblical explanation. So many deceptively spiritual sounding ideas that look, feel, and sound Christian in this era but are not biblical. So many babbling voices today.
What it means is that there are people who go to church every time the doors are open, give to charity, and many other "works", but have never actually received the Holy Spirit. Works don't save you. Only belief in Jesus and His works. "There are none who are righteous. No, not one". Your works mean nothing.
Love this brother!!!! I pray these videos go viral and eyes are opened to see Christ is the answer!!!!!! There is a way which seems right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death.
“Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.” Hebrews 3:12-19
If a person believes in the death, burial and resurrection, but they also believe that they can lose their salvation (they also believe soul winning is done by show not tell) is dating someone who believes in osas and witnessing by telling others then are they equally yoked for marriage or should they split? (Asking for a friend lol)
Luke 18:9 "And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.".
Peterson believes that salvation is only through true belief, and he's right. I try not to question other Christian's belief, but you can tell those who are just paying lip service by their fruits. They are angry and anxious. Instead of outright accusing them of not genuinely believing, I just try to share with them more of the truth of the gospel in a way that they can understand it. Once understood, belief in the gospel is almost automatic for anyone who WANTS to believe. But it has to be understood through the heart first, not through the mind. Many people struggle to believe because they hear the gospel with their minds, rather than their hearts. You can tell when someone has truly grasped what the gospel is by the enormous sense of RELIEF that they get. Even after I began to believe in God and started reading the Bible, I think it took me a few years before I truly understood the gospel and believed it.
@@alexjurchescu4833 The harm is that he’s misinterpreting who Jesus is speaking to when he says he never knew them. It’s not those who didn’t work hard enough, it’s those who didn’t simply believe in Him alone for salvation.
MATTHEW 7:23 TIES DIRECTLY TO HOSEA 6:3 AND IS ECHOED IN JOHN 8:31 AND 8:47 AND REITERATED IN JOHN 15 💥💥💥THE BOOK IS GOD💥💥💥 YOU CANNOT HAVE JESUS AND TAKE A PASS ON THE WORD OF GOD. THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON ❤❤❤DOVE POINT BIBLE STUDY❤❤❤
I think Jordan has a fundamental misunderstanding about Mathew 7, as do most people, I don't think he is aware of it, however it's true we must be careful who we listen too.
How is the requirement of our own faith considered good news? That's terrible news for unbelievers. The good news, the gospel of peace, is that God is savior of all.
You defined fruits of the spirit as outward profession of what is perceived inwardly. So in essence what people say? In the passages you quoted, the false prophets and the Pharisees are speaking directly to Jesus and that is why I believe you focused on speech and I agree. The false prophets were at judgement and the Pharisees had just finished blaspheming the Holy Spirit initiating their own judgement as well which Jesus expounds upon in the verses. But is that the only way to interpret the meaning of fruit? JP is 100% right that people say what they don’t mean all the time. False prophets also know scripture very well just like the Pharisees. The Bible describes what the fruits of the Spirit are and the descriptions are things that can be spoken and seen. If what people say can be fruit it would follow that what people do can be fruit because what people do is also a result of what they feel inwardly and those are things that will help us recognize false prophets. And I’m not trying to focus on works. I completely agree that the false prophets were trying to merit their salvation by their works which is why they weren’t saved. I’m more interested in an unbiased Biblical interpretation of “fruit” and if you think my interpretation is fair. Thank you.
False profession is more than merely one that says they are something but do not act as if they are, it is also those who DO act as they claim. False profession CAN BE a person who looks outwardly like they are walking righteously. You will know by their fruits, that is in relation to the CORRECT teachings of Christ. This is the fruit, a true profession.
I don't know if this is the right mindset coz am confused idk what to believe but i know i kept my faith in him am not trying to believe in the works to be saved but am just hoping that he'll save me coz i can't save myself am just putting my trust in Jesus Christ alone even tho fear comes i just hope he won't cast me out am just hoping on him and ill just wait for him idk what to do to be saved but am just hoping on him that he'll save me coz there's nothing I can do but hope on him alone on Jesus Christ alone i still cling on to him
Romans 3:11-12 (KJV) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Dont follow denominations at all just stick to the scripture and believe on christ. Most denominations have a confused understanding of the gospel and that leads them into looking to their ownselves to earn the kingdom. Religion doesnt save faith in christ saves. Trust what jesus did for you, not what you do for him. And as far as which version KJV is probably the best translation out there. Most translations like ESV, NLT, NIV , etc. have subtle changes that if you're a babe in Christ(someone who's not quite experienced) might get decieved into working for salvation. Its best to just go with KJV because it stays consistent with the word. Hope this helps
@@SaintDiazwell said, I'm KJV only. NIV takes away from the divinity of Christ and pushes works. It's subtle but enough to make a new Christian stumble. There's a doc on RU-vid (or at least it used to be) it was titled something like "the New age Bible" it talks about how new aged spiritualists were part of the rewriting of the NIV and other modern versions. These are people who not only don't believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, but deny that he was God in human flesh. KJV is the only way to go.
Exactly and fully agrees with you. Amen. These rejected people has the wrong jesus in wong doctrine and other religions. The new age religion even consider all religions gods including Jesus as the same unfortunately it's is not.
An unrelated question i know, but is gambling a sin? (Obviously not talking addiction or irresponsably, thats obviously a sin) but i mean gambling for entertainment, and il take it one step further: not even for real money, just as a game. Is that sinfull?
If anything is pulling you away from God's Word or staying in relationship with Jesus, it's an idol (sin). But to say that gambling is flat out a sin is incorrect. Never mind sports betting, the entire financial & banking industry would be guilty of committing daily sin. Or as they like to call gambling, "risk management" lol.
Can I ask a question? Why use the book of John to show what the "will of the Father" is when we can get the context within the same book (i.e., Matthew)? I could just as easily say the will of the Father is repentance (2 Peter 3:9), abstaining from sexual immorality (1 Thessalonians 4:3), rejoicing always, praying without ceasing, and giving thanks (1 Thessalonians 5:16-18), putting to silence foolish men by doing good (1 Peter 2:15). I think the answer you're looking for is directly within and after the passage which says, "Not all that say to me, 'Lord, Lord...'" (Matthew 7:21-23). It's found within verse 23: "ye who practice lawlessness." This couldn't be more clear according to the context. The word in Greek, anomia, which is used for "lawlessness," means "without law; by ignorance or by violating it." That's important because the answer is also found after that text. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 7:24, "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them..." The therefore is a summing up of all He just said--which is the Sermon on the Mount. You are lawless if you're hearing Him and not doing what He says. He literally tells you who is wise and who is foolish, those hearing and doing what He says vs those hearing and rejecting what He says. Instead of running to a Gospel written decades after the one you're trying to prove God's will, why don't you just use the book as the main source of context? The plain reading of the passage is crystal clear.
Ok, I’ll use the book of Matthew too. “28 But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye BELIEVED him not: but the publicans and the harlots BELIEVED him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might BELIEVE him.” Matthew 21
@@exag0ra Read the passage again. It further substantiates my position, that the will of the Father is to believe on the Son. This is the singular “work of God” necessary for justification. All you’re doing is conflating service with salvation and thereby corrupting the Gospel.
@@OnoDiamante Let's stay in Matthew 7. Skipping 14 chapters ahead, with a different setting, context, and audience, doesnt help your point in Matthew 7. You're reading back your views in Matthew 21 to what Matthew 7 says. I'm not sure if you've ever read the early church Christians, but read them and tell me that they agreed with your interpretation of the Bible. This is a very novel view and wasn't even held by a lot of Reformers. The Free Grace theology is extremely new. This view could lead people into loose living and lead them to hearing those terrifying words, "Depart from Me, I never knew you." I'm not saying you are doing this, because I would never want to put words in your mouth, falsely accuse you, or anything of the like, but read Matthew 5:19-20 and ask yourself if you're teaching others to keep what He said or if you're telling people the Lord Jesus only wants us to believe and not follow Him.
@@exag0ra You criticized me for citing John 6. I provided a verse in the book of Matthew, and now it’s too far ahead of chapter 7 to be considered. You’re demonstrating a fundamental ignorance of my position. I teach both the freeness of salvation and the high cost of discipleship without conflating the two. There are plenty of early church quotations that are consistent with my position. However, they are fallible men, subject to error, and therefore not my ultimate authority. Also, there are plenty of proponents of works justification who engage in pedophilia; does that necessarily negate their theological position? No.
Jordan should just refrence Romans 10. Maybe also the book of Acts when the elders covered the law, and Paul wrote regarding the Gentiles and bondage of the law. Tons of other scriptures, Collosians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. KJV
It's strange how people think this verse is about how well you follow Christ, when the people in the passage did loads of amazing works. In terms of how well they performed they did brilliant, but only got rejected because they trusted in their works, not that the works themselves were bad. If they would have just done the works out of love for Christ, without trusting in them, and while only trusting Jesus, the works would be fine.
But it says by their fruits you will know them??. For the tree is know by its fruits?. I pray for God to let me understand this. Tho I do believe we are only saved by faith in Jesus. But as Christian don't we have to have a change in heart? That's what the holy Spirit gives us. Yes we still sin but our sin is covered by faith in Jesus.
James 2:18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
@@OnoDiamante I watched that video. James 2:14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? This is the pivotal verse. When you read this, you answered it and said, "No." That is what all this is about. The profit is whether you have works that demonstrate you are saved. If you do not, then that faith is unprofitable. It cannot save anyone.
If someone believes in Jesus, they will be convicted (not condemned) to straighten up, but that's not an overnight process, IDC what anyone says. It's a journey. The Holy Spirit will convict you. You won't be able to easily be the old person you once were. You won't be able to talk down to people like you once did. You won't be able to live a selfish, greedy life. You SHOULD show some fruits as you MATURE spiritually IN Christ. People get all wrapped up in the outward sins (sex, drinking, smoking, drugs, etc.), but they forget about the most dangerous sins.... the inward ones (pride, narcissism, selfishness, hatefulness). Those are the sins that people like Young Don have a hard time seeing. You can lead the most outwardly "holy" life ever, but still be dark and withered on the inside. You can be judgmental and unmerciful. As far as Jordan? The only reason he says this is because he's noncommittal with the Lord. He's using this as an excuse not to go all in. He wants to keep one foot out in the academic world. It is gross when Christians don't change, though. If you're a selfish, hateful, judgmental, narcissistic person, I do question whether you've truly met Jesus or not. Saying it is one thing, but living it is another. I'm not bothered by the outward sins nearly as much as the ones Jesus railed against when talking to the Pharisees. P.S. everything isn't about our little personal journey to heaven when we die. We are God's proxy on this earth and we should be showing Christ to people through our lives while here, trying our best to make this place better. People get so wrapped up in heaven, they forget that God gave them this life, here and now.
But you are still saved at the initial MOMENT of faith. Sealed with the Holy Spirit for eternity. The Judgement of Fire for a believer will be completely different than the judgement of non-believer's. Even with ZERO CHANGE & ZERO GOOD WORKS (everything burned up in the fire) the believer's salvation cannot be lost. (1 Corinthians 3:12-15 - 12)
Jordan Peterson at the Great White Throne: "Lord Lord... I commited MY life to you! Lord Lord, I did not just believe! Lord Lord, I did many good works! Lord Lord I repented of my sins! "
He needs someone to explain Ephesians 2:8-9 to him! Billy Graham missed it as well. No wonder they are so popular with the world, loving self-righteousness and judging others!
He keeps trying to push this idea that you can "commit your life to God" without faith that God exists and that Christ died and physically resurrected. He can't even bring himself to say he believes, and he thinks that *behaving* as though God is real is enough to be saved if in fact God is real.
I don't think that's fair though. He's never claimed to be saved or a Christian. He's not evangelizing he's philosophizing. I agree that he's wrong, but it's not the same as a self professed man of God trying to lead others to salvation with a false gospel. I pray he finds the truth but for now, let's try to distinguish between a wolf and a man who's searching and has gotten some things wrong
@@nicholasl8249 You're right that he doesn't claim to be saved or to be a Christian. He doesn't believe Christ rose, and he doesn't believe there's something to be saved from, apart from perhaps being a burden on the world. He does preach his worldview, but he leads people in the wrong direction by his opinion that you don't have to believe, you can just behave as though God is real and that's basically the same thing in his view. He sort of has a Judaistic view of Christianity, where works apart from faith are just as valuable as true faith.
It is interesting, how devil was tempting Jesus - he quotes one line from scripture to justify one's twisted point. But Jesus knows God, knows His character, knows better. Once i was like that, when i tried to justify something as wrong, because there is a line for that in the bible. But whole bible is the context. It is about character of God, and Jesus is the fullfillment of all that. Jesus is God, and He shows us the way to God by Himself. It is not "knowledge" of the text or intelectual "understanding" of the text or the abulity to justify all of it for each separate line of the text. God has a character, and that character is revealed in Jesus. Text can do nothing, but you need Jesus
Hello, can someone asnwer this doubt that I have please? Can a born again christian eventually become an atheist and lose salvation? Not talking about a person was never a christian, but instead turned away from faith. How would you explain salvation being a one time event to someone who thinks you have to live your whole life in faith? Thanks in advance
I would give the fireman analogy: If you are in a burning building and just before the building colapses, a fireman risks his life to save you. How would you feel towards the fireman? You would be grateful right, you would not want to turn around and punch him in the face. Same thing with Jesus, he saved us from eternal punishment, you would not want to figuratively punch him in the face by still deliberately sinning. You see in this illustration that you would not want to do good things for the fireman to save you, but because he DID ALREADY save you. Thus you cannot be unsaved or go back into the building that is already collapsed. You cannot be unborn and lose the Holy Spirit. You can however die sooner in the flesh because of sin and loose out on eternal rewards but you will still be saved❤ Hope this helps❤
@@devanvandervelde2226 Thank you for your analogy, I really liked it! I'll be using that one for sure since people love analogies :) Today I also was trying to find Bible passages to support one time event salvation, do you think the baptism of the Holy Spirit can be brought up to discussion? Because this baptism is only for believers, and is a one time event right? We don't go saying you have to be baptized everyday, but once you are a believer you have the Holy Spirit with you
@@Fernanda-xg7rd Yeah, I would suggest some of the verses include: Galations 3:26, how can you loose sonship in Christ? I suggest you cannot❤ Also, Matthew 7: 21 to 23 where we see that those entering heaven are those who do the will of the Father, mentioned in John 6:40. Jesus never knew those who did not do the will of the Father, not he used to know them. Thus suggesting you cannot be unknown by Christ upon having faith in him. John 10:28 is also a beautiful vers about never being snatched out of Christs hand❤I also agree with you that verses on receiving the Holy Spirit can be used and Romans 4:5 is applicable ❤God bless❤
James 2 : 20 But wilt thou understand, O thou vain man, that the faith which is without works, is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified through works, when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou not that the faith wrought with his works? and through the works was the faith made perfect. 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that of works a man is justified, and not of faith only. Matt. 5 : 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I say unto you, Till heaven and earth perish, one jot or one tittle of the Law shall not escape, till all things be fulfilled. His blood may save you, but your lazy ass will void the contract.
GOD (JESUS ) requires that all men in adam believe the message of the gospel , which is the good news for anyone who first admits they are a sinner, and recognizes that Jesus is God, Jesus is the son of God sent to dwell among us, and from birth (of a virgin) to death committed no sin (thus filfilling all the requirements of the law ) and in death (on the cross) became sin on our behalf to save us from condemnation, Rose again from death unto life. And freed us from enslavement to sin. Once this message is believed, God then gives that person a measure of Faith (trust in God) which is the gift of God. Through this Faith (trust in Jesus) God grants them salvation by His grace, and as he calls upon the lord to save him/her. At this point God makes them born again- by removing the old heart of stone and replacing with a new heart of flesh, which is obedient, with new desires and an undying love for jesus. (Eph 2:8-9, Romans 6:17, Ezekiel 36:26, Romans 12:3 , 2 Corinthians 5:17and 21, Romans 10:10) This is accomplished by belief in the message, which transitions then into faith alone (given by God as a gift) in Christ alone. God then does the rest by grace.
No one should be listening to Jordan Peterson on theology. He's out of his lane. Even when/if he is truly saved, it will be years before he's able to teach properly on Christian doctrine. Politics sure, free speech issues, of course. Not theology.
If a professing Christian gives in and takes the mark of the beast out of peer pressure and fear, wouldn't that be an example of a believer losing their salvation? To be clear, I believe in once saved always saved, this scenario just came to my mind one day.
That's if the church was going through the tribulation. Unfortunately, no saved believer (Christian) will ever go through the tribunalation, because it is not appointed to wrath but will be caught up to Heaven. You'll notice the last time church is mentioned in the Bible is in Revelation 3, before Jesus calls us up in Revelation 4:1. After that, they are called tribulation saints. Those that have to deal with the Mark of the Beast are the tribulation saints. These consist first and foremost, of 144,000 virgin Jewish men who will preach to the entire world. Then those that see the signs and wonders and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and have the faith of Jesus Christ AND keep the commandments. Revelation 12:17 KJV [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. We are not the tribulation saints. We have to rightly divide the Bible, and render unto the correct group, the correct doctrine. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV [15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I also hope you notice that your Bible may not say the same thing as the above verse. I'll just say that Satan may not want a believer to know how to study the Word of God, because then he can't deceive them anymore.
The narrow gate is narrow for a reason, Faith and Good Works over a lifetime are very difficult. Everyone should strive to be a Saint, even if we fall short, the struggle is the point.
The narrow gate is narrow because Christ is the only way through. Many can't find it because their pride blinds them. It has nothing to do with works and everything to do with faith in Christ alone
@@nicholasl8249 respectfully, that is false teaching. Once saved, always saved is not theologically consistent with any of the early church fathers or any of the writings of Paul. That would be bordering on Origen of Alexandria’s apocatastasis, which was condemned long before the Church’s split. Take care and God Bless!
Osas is easily proven wrong by the word "if" which is a contingent word. Romans 11:22 is a prime example. People do not comprehend the text that thet read.@ByGraceThroughFaithALONE
The interesting thing is that Sola Scriptura is not a Biblically revealed truth, nor is it backed by tradition. I find it quite ironic that most Sola Scriptura people I meet don’t even realize they are relying on the abridged version of the Bible due to the hubris of Martin Luther. We are to rely on both ALL scripture as collated at The Council of Carthage of 397 AD (attended by Augustine of Hippo himself) AND divine tradition. Jesus quoted the Septuagint in practice, so who is Martin Luther to suddenly deem parts of the scripture that Jesus preached to be ‘surplus to requirements’ because he deemed them ‘too Jewish’? Speaking of Luther and his “fruits”, he also advocated the burning of synagogues and Jewish orphanages in the best seller of the year 1453, “On the Jews and Their Lies” (which is anything but Christian behavior). By all accounts he was an alcoholic priest with a general anger problem (and that is a charitable description of his overall behavior). To me, if one is to claim the Bible is all there is (which is a shame because they are missing out on so much of their Christian heritage), then they at least ought to be using the complete Bible, not the abridged version. For the definitive answers to every single one of these Sola Scriptura related claims and objections, please check out a faithful translation of Robert Bellarmine’s “Controversies”. Take care and God bless!
This is reminiscent of Matthew chapter 7, where Jesus professes “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Despite their “many wonderful works” done in the name of Christ, they are condemned as workers of iniquity and commanded to “depart”. Why? Because without faith it is impossible to please God. Not because they were without righteous deeds, relatively speaking, but because they were without the righteousness of Christ, and they were without the righteousness of Christ because they never did the will of the Father, which is to believe on the Son. John 6:40, And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. In order to properly understand this passage, we must “rightly divide” between descriptive and prescriptive. In other words, the collective commendation of the sheep regarding their works, does not mean that the sheep were saved by their works. Ephesians 2:8-9 says, 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Likewise, the collective condemnation of the goats does not signify that they were unsaved due to their failure to do good works. This passage is simply highlighting the stark contrast between the inevitable future of these two groups. Due to their standing before God, the children of God can only be commended and the children of wrath can only be condemned.
@@OnoDiamanteOno you should read DavidBenjamins book called Service and Reward in Grace! Please read it please. It’s only like 10 bucks and if dont have the money, he gives it for free. Please just read it, it’s a short book.
