Jordan Peterson: The worst thing a creative person can do 

Everyday!

@m.A.A.d i feel you. "everyday do something that terrifies you" , take care

May I join you guys? Feeling the same here and it's awful. I don't know what sparks a light in me, though. No path to follow :(

What a brilliant post my unknown friend.

@@purplecow_1 why? Chances are you'll end up dead. That prospect dose'nt fill me with light. Don't be so hard on yourself. Do what YOU like. Strength through joy.

Where can I see/buy your art?

Drop that merch link

Lol this made me chuckle

I do art too but it's mostly just for hobby and fun. Rebecca, if you'd like to drop a link to your art shop (if you have any), I'd really like to take a look at your portfolio!

Amen!!!!!!

I work 50+ hours a week as a college drop out of a career that I didn’t really end up liking in the end. And even now I have always wanted to become a video game developer or video editor and always had so many ideas that I wanted to try out. But by the time I actually get a chance to try out my ideas and try to learn what I love. Fist I’m shunned because I’m not striving to be a doctor. And second I’m told it’s a terrible career choice and that I need too much time to actually make it. And at this point in time I’m sort of in a state of depression. In which I hate all of the jobs I work. And don’t have the time to actually chase my dream simply because I need money to simply survive as an adult. So by the time I get home at the end of my long shifts all I want to do is simply lay down and sleep. Simply because I don’t get enough rest to actually be able to keep my creative mind from falling asleep.

@@rageraptor7127 Sounds rough buddy. Being creative is a burden indeed. But you could still try to do small things. Only as much as you can. Chip away at it, and you will eventually get there! All the best!

@@gregoryrousseau5155 I guess you right

Me too.

@@rageraptor7127@ Rage Raptor Damm, I hope you can get a job where you can at least exploit some of your creative talents.

I have made some exclusive stuff, and I have ideas for more, lost interest in lot , can’t get my mind off, what I can’t get

Easier said.

Facts

@@potatowarrior747 why? just do it man it’ll get easier over time. You’ll be so happy you did!

@@ree2006 thanks dude...I'm trying...but never seem to be constant...thanks for that tho

@Kiel Anderson - lol. Once again intellectual vanity proves itself to be incompatible with self awareness.

I find him expansive and expanding, my mind and soul. His vocabulary alone gets me going. For some, they must pause and search the dictionary nearby. Great! Some people are like “trees” that let the sun in through their branches. “Strength to prevail”, “window into the transcendent” ... words I needed today. Quack? Mmm keep quaking Jordan, some of us get it.

That come from 30 yrs of reading ton shit load of book and literature. So, I think some who talk like a working text book can go to the knowledge base direction and one day they can talk like JP.

@@vehasuwatphisankij8846 he's also done this exact lecture hundreds of times and had to engage bored sleepy college students. Seriously, just search his name and creativity. He's delivered lectures on this topic over and over again. It's a talent he honed with years of work. It's like a standing comedian with a good routine.

The Dragon Trilogy he is tooo creative about what he is doing and understands totally what he saying such a great person.

muscledog666 art, music I would agree. I don't know what this world would be like without art or music

There's two ways of looking at it. Of course becoming an artist is way harder than to apply for a builder job, but as a builder you can't really climb a ladder like as an artist. Musicians and actors have the biggest houses in Hollywood, I see no one wearing a hardhat living there. Everything has it's importance

No it's not, i'd rather have a hospital, or a solid building to sleep in, or none poisonous food, art is like 99th out of a 100 on the list.

@@MrAlexanderLang Technically, the distinction is this- art creates progress, but before progress, you need things like infrastructure and necessities for stability. Artistic and scientific progress are only useful when the backbone of infrastructure is fully developed.

It’s like the quote by John Keating in Dead Poets Society: “We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for. To quote from Whitman, "O me! O life!... of the questions of these recurring; of the endless trains of the faithless... of cities filled with the foolish; what good amid these, O me, O life?" Answer. That you are here - that life exists, and identity; that the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse. That the powerful play *goes on* and you may contribute a verse. What will your verse be?”

Carry on creating art!!! The planets need you.

@@saurabhverma7366 agreed! This is what it means to be human. We were created to create. We learn, we grow, we build. Keep it up!

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I'm 22 and I want to quit my current degree (pharmacy) and pursue either English (as a second language), psychology, ooor directing... I also write and play music, and I think a life like yours would be something I would want :D

@@friedlemon5172 Don't think you can't be creative as a pharmacist, as well as do a lot of good for others and make a decent living!

I agree, success should not be measured in money, but in the joy of life

Artists always have a role in society, it's when they try to monetize it is when they have problems. Hard to really make money off passions especially since others tend to get involved who bastardize what you created.

Even then, he DID tie it to money, though more specifically he said value. That’s why he emphasized why he couldn’t stand how conservatives don’t appreciate the value of art when WHOLE INDUSTRIES (Entertainment, Tourism, NFTs, Literature) are backed by art

@@geneanthony3421 as a former gamer, that last point is a sad truth

Word !!!!!

r.i.p

Marcus Aurelius couldn't work out what was wrong with himself?! Something fishy is going on here 🤔

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Come back marc

Good one...but sad truth...

Imagine he would have made it as a painter....

@Shimohira Reika and he was really good at that. Search the Old Courtyard of Munich, shit slaps. His dream of being an independant artist was shattered when he got refused by the art school.

@Shimohira Reika r/woosh

😆🤣😂

Thank you for this. I really hope you succeed in changing things and creating a more fulfilling life for yourself. I'm a random stranger, but I believe in you.

Never too late, everything happens for a reason. Thanks for warning us and I believe that you can and will make your life worthwhile! I don't know if you believe in God, but I'm praying for you.

I pray that you will find your strength. The prime minister of my country came to office at 93 years old last year. So, maybe there is still enough time for you to make that substantive change.

things have changed too much in the last 20 years. Introduce your sons to the gig economy.. that is the future. Hopefully they'll thrive.

@Barnabas Blackthorne McTavish What field of work is your "shitty job"? And what are you doing to switch to a more fulfilling job?

Oh yeah. I feel that ''rather a curse than a blessing'' man..

Well said there, bravo my friend. The real challenge is actually getting those creative ideas out of one's mind and into the world. Sadly, too many creative people spend their lives in the mundane, never able to manifest those beautiful ideas, concepts, dreams and artworks and bring them to reality. I am one of them, but I am hoping to finally get stuck in and get my ideas off the ground within the next year! Here's hoping

What a dull view on creativity when many positive outcomes are possible (coming from a hyper creative individual)

@@JesuisParte then do it for beauty not yourself

@@gregoryrousseau5155 good luck mate

You become an apprentice to the Original Artist, the Primary Creator. We were made, in His image, for this very purpose.

Nice

@Beef Chavez Truth! Your words are golden truth.

I agree with Nabokov’s view of the artist as enchanter. I don’t think creativity is as passive as the Greek model, which refers to the muses as an external force. Creativity shapes with conscious process that which would otherwise be like a dream, so that we can realize and articulate it coherently.

Nice. I’m no expert but I see this sometimes when playing guitar. I get in the Zone where it’s effortless, deep, open and lucid - a real joy to play and I think it is starting to sound fantastic - then I realise that I’m in the Zone and it all falls to shit. Dagnabbit!! I guess I’m not a good enough player to trust that what I’m doing is right and transcend the internal critique.

That would be fantastic! My website awaits your purchase. Thank you!

@@RoopaDudleyPaintings XD.

@@nico-ng5de ?

I'd rather create the piece of art.

@@RoopaDudleyPaintings i saw funny how you took advantage of the sittuation

same here bro, I loved your comment. It touched me, thanks for this. My story is same as yours, I am not even employed but I am working as a freelance graphic designer and I never had any professional graphic design course done. I had accounting degrees.

Wow synchronization as he said it

They are possibly only hating because they themselves are not as creative as you. People that cant understand things, usually neglect it.

I can relate Val. Much respect!

You're not alone, Val. I'm a musician and a writer myself and I'm totally devastated sometimes when I see how talented artists can be despised by their families. Ignorance is a sin. Keep up investing your soul, heart and spirit in what needs you. Art needs you as much as you need it.

Keep doing what you’re doing! I was lucky enough to be born in a family of artists, my mom is a sketch artist, my dad does sculpting, and my sister writes stories. They’ve been very supportive of my art, and I realize now that not everyone has that supportive net or appreciation for art, they really should show more respect for what you do. Do not give up in your creative endeavors fellow artist!

How has it been?

Yea

How is it going?

Probably caught up in business :)

Hope all is going well for you

same for me. i work in a “creative job“ that asks for restrained creativity in fact. i keep my creativity private, unpaid, blissful

@@metoo3318 what job is that?? I want to find a job that doesn't drain too much energy so when I come back I can create

My creativity and desire for beauty literally FORCES itself into my day job. I cannot do otherwise than delivering one piece of art after the other day in day out. The price I pay for this is that I put in like two to three unpaid hours a day because of course I'm way slower than everyone else this way.

Well, this is kind of awkward. I actually quit my job last December, I had some money come in that allowed me to, not enough to live off of forever, but enough to allow me to work full time at getting an art business going.

@A Deutsch Complete nonsense 😑

Man its difficult for creative people to even survive in a capitalist world. Most of us creatives kill ourselves everyday before we go to work

Well said my friend. And to push it even further, every creation needs a creator, and every work is the product of an artist...

well said.

Amen , that's the one thing I love about God is his ability to create like this universe and all it's wonders and possibilities it hold and just immerse yourself into it

Glory to Yahweh God! 🙌✝️🙌

He’s practicing to deliver his god like speeches

Thats what anyone who truely understands what they're talking about (or is closely trying to) sounds like. Why would they lie or mislead nobody...

@@adamthomas7542 Aw I’m not suggesting that. I was just making a silly joke.

@@kristophervarga5332 I realise my friend hahaha im just saying. The mad scientist does sound mad. But knows more about what hes talking about that anyone else 😂

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhahahahahahaahahhahaahahhaahhahaha. Too fucken good

Tony Wicks - C2D4 Comics you’re regret not trying more in the end, don’t give up ! Keep going :)

Hell yah do it

don't ever stop trying

I thought of J.K Rowling when you said that. I think it was 12 publications that rejected Harry Potter. She just kept working on it and submitting. Now shes the first self made female billionaire. If youre good at something and even slightly passionate about it. Then work on it, become really good at it, and it will just be a matter of time someone will see your value.

that's why they're all depressed lol

@@thatguybob6088 Haha.

I’m one of those people and yes I’m depressed right now. I just got cheated in love, second time. I forgave them, because I’m open and agreeable, but they left me anyway. I’m parting ways with my business partner, because he has ethical issues. So I try to find a flaw in me because I’m conscientious, but after a point, I can’t. It’s an external fault, mistake. And so I can’t change it and that really makes me depressed. I’m just trying now not to get vulnerable, because next time it just might be the death of me.

@@Mystical-wt1cx there are better ways to deal w all these trauma than a youtube comment, hope you get through this bro. good on you for standing up for your ethics w your business

@@myanimation8987 Sometimes people just want to be listened. :)

Which is why I never gonna learn too play a instrument right.. I get that feeling when there are clean and things works I know what too do and not to do .. I like results and things working ..

Roti Wokeman he's talking about fiscally conservative not as a culture

Japan has a high appreciation of aesthetic. As almost all Asian cultures do. But artists still have the stigma of having been put in the lowest caste in feudal times. Don't get the two confused.

Jordan Peterson is Japan

Besides, for building something for 300 years I think conservative and socialist people are required.

But also they have very high discipline and have a very poetic view of life simply from their very weird language.

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Lmfao exactly how I felt. I love his rambles though, I do the same thing.

John Smith he gets complex topics needs long drawn out stories to reach a broader audience, genius really

Wucci Mane the link is in description, it’s from the Abraham father of nations talk from the Bible series. This segment ends right around the 46 minute mark ;) peace and progress!

Dr.

Yes, that seems to be his problem in EVERY video I watch by him, and this is beginning to make me mad

Don't worry, stranger. I'm in the same boat as you are...I'm...not sure if that's supposed to be comforting but atleast you're not alone.

@@thegrammarpolice69 one day it'll happen... maybe the answer is letting it go, like you only stumble across Narnia when you're not looking for it.

I felt the same way and heard the same thing from other people. I'm in my 30s, and I finally got sick of being single, so last October, I pulled out my list of what I wanted in a man (because let's be real..us single people have all made those lists thinking the right person will then "manifest" into their life), thought very seriously about which state this type of guy is likely to live in, then moved to that state (I live in the US). I met my boyfriend almost immediately and we're very happy together and are discussing getting married. Moral of the story: sometimes you gotta take the bull by the horns and be very deliberate and strategic about your love life. It's not romantic, but in today's society, serendipity just isn't enough anymore. I wish you the best of luck-you can do this!

@@luthiengs thank you I'm gonna need it! I feel like in some ways that's necessary for me as well, but I have no idea where to start. When I was online dating, most all profiles that ever catched my interest were out of state, because where I live seems to be a barren wasteland, both online and in the real world. I'm happy you finally found someone, I'm only 23 and being single gets less fun everyday.

dont rely on dating apps. Go out to places you like, for example an art museum. Talk to strangers about art, doesnt matter the gender. That person could potentially lead you to your soul mate, or even possibly be your soul mate and you dont even know it. Get out there and live.

Sounds like a bad teacher. Good luck!

It's a reflection of people's lack of intelligence, depth and non existent sensitivity and attention span. It has nothing to do with the quality of your work. I have exactly the same struggle. Keep creating anyway 💗do it for you. The feedback will come eventually xxx

It’s so true… I’ve been creating art for years but never posted it online or shared it with anyone.. I don’t really know why, I guess I just create it for myself, I can’t survive without creating art. for the past two years I haven’t been creating anything, just fallen into a black hole of self inflicted death towards my soul… here’s hoping the relativistic jet is within my reach.

@@Jwaydanofficial WHAT? I STRONGLY disagree. Who the fuck uses social media for "connection" or any meaningful stuff? Its ONLY real purpose is entertainment for majority. If I want to have actually meaningful and deep converstation, I go talk face to face with someone, you gotta be a fucking tool if you condinser social media deep, unless you mean deep as self centricity

@@rabidL3M0NS Yep, because you dont create it with goal of getting validation, but for relaxing/creating itself, sounds great.

Well a lot of memes work of being relatable and familer and that which is relatable and familer easily gets our attention. It can take intentional seeking to notice something great and deeply meaningful. Looking at most social media interfaces, they're not designed for you to linger on a post for a long time as you would an art piece at a museum. It's the instantly gratifying that wins the most attention.

Benjamin Rood exactly. creativity becomes Art when it Trancends it's materials. it's not inventiveness.

@ Rosie S: Very true. If we look to science for example, it's the ones who took on experimental ideas, thought outside the box, used their imagination, and challenged the conventions and authority are the ones who had helped humanity to make leaps forward, the likes of Tesla, Einstein, Newton, da Vinci. They were visionaries, and one has to be creative and imaginative to be a good visionary.

I'm an accountant and my balanced books are as much a window on the transcendent as anything Rodin ever sculpted...

you're so right ,I work in a hands on repair trade that requires individual problem solving as per job and after 35 years of mental and physical gymnastics there is no box and I'm considered a god in my trade :)

Exactly. Define creative. Any combination of Art Science and Engineering and any form of design that manifests in a positive useful significant change to your environment is creative. There are careers to be had in all.

I hope you haven't given up on your mission

Fully agree with this, there's nothing wrong with monetizing the products of creativity. But the trick is, to create something of such quality that it sells on its own reputation, rather than doing what a lot of creatives do now and obsess over statistics/figures and try to mould their work to fit that

I feel mostly dead but only half of the time

I feel most of the time but I'm half dead

I often feel sad and disliked that is why I draw all the time. The pictures are always bright, colorful and cheerful.

Nice. Now you can get reborn, my friend. Be a phoenix. °-°

Corporate Western Society: "What kind of job you want, fam?" Creative People: "Just fuck my shit up."

Hmm... are there any other ways you can still create, or perhaps ways to learn to create anew in some other mode? Hope you find your spark again 😊

then decorate or paint the "shell" and carry on with your creativity.

Metal Coasters not true

Yes true. Have you went to school or college? I'm going to assume yes, and tell me do you like waking up at 6 AM to go fill your brain with as much information as you can to later spit it out on a piece of paper? Do you feel like learning anything? Chances are if you liked a class it's because you have a passion or an interest in the subject but even that in consideration, the school system is terribly managed. I actually was excited to learn about history, but we don't learn history , we study history, there's a huge difference and if you can't see that I feel sorry for you and your future kids

Maybe they are creative but don't know it... can you link me the video?

@Kyle Kadence: But Jordan is wrong in that one. The test he used goes all or nothing, it doesn't really show the level of creativity. It will be like measuring your skills at riding a bike with: Did you ever participated in the Tour de France? If so, won it? Or in the cycling category at the Olympics? If so, won it? No to all of them? Then you don't know how to ride a bike. Plus, like Metal Coasters says, school ruins creativity. So anyone who goes to school will obviously have a really low level of creativity. And everybody is forced to go. There were studies that shown that the level of creativity before going to school was much higher than after a few years, and it only kept decreasing the longer you were exposed to it. (Which I don't have at hand. :( ) I also don't have at hand Jordan's lecture.

Another comment. I think I may have misunderstood Metal Coasters comment which was (paraphrasing) "Everybody has a high level of creativity, it's just dormant." while I thought it was (paraphrasing) "School ruins creativity". School does ruin creativity. But I'm not sure if everybody has dormant creativity. An explanation for so many people having low creativity, is that school ruins creativity. So that doesn't disprove it anyway. I'm not sure if creativity is like IQ (which can go down, but not up, at least no one found a way.), like a muscle (which depletes itself if you use it too much until you rest; the more you use it, the bigger it gets; if you don't use it, it atrophies), or it's a skill. So I'm not sure if it can be dormant or improved. (Are you improving it, or did you always had it, but didn't use it?) About Jordan's creativity test. It was an achievement test. With questions like: How many books did you write? How many books did you publish? How well they did? That heavily depends on you age (ie. Just because a 5 yo didn't write any book, it doesn't mean he has a creativity of 0), training (If you spent years learning how to write a book, you will have a higher success in writing and publishing a book), experience (if you spent years writing, you will write better and have a higher chance of publishing, it doesn't meant you are more creative), profession. (Writers will obviously have more books published than non-writers. It doesn't mean they are more creative per se.) Creativity isn't the only factor on the test. Plus, it's a bad way to measure low levels of creativity. Just because you aren't creative enough to write a book doesn't mean your creativity is absolute zero. (Writing was one out of many categories, but most people hit zero in all categories) A better way will be a performance test, like IQ tests, instead of a questionnaire. The one I heard of was of coming out with as many uses for an object as you could think. Which is the one I mentioned earlier, in which kids had lower and lower results the more they went to school.

Art + engineering = design

@@mrnoodle999 could always do video game design

The Rich Rose except that's not true. Anybody that can't market themselves or isn't practical as well as creative can't. If all you do is spend weeks on one painting and want a month's pay for it, let's say a couple thousand dollars, good luck with that unless you're already pretty well established and have sold paintings for near that amount. You can't put all your eggs in one basket. I'm an aspiring artist and musician and when I start doing it full time I know it will work out, not getting rich but surviving at least, because I want to create in almost every medium and also record and play live music regularly, solo and with a band, and the money I get here and there from all that will be enough and that versatility won't leave me hanging in the balance of 'if I don't sell this piece for a lot of money within x amount of time I'll be homeless'. People are so fast to write art and artists off and that's a huge problem. Like even artists that do it as a hobby can make "a dime". It's all about finding the right audience.

dman you missed my point, which ironically is your 3rd to last sentence.

The Rich Rose lol what point were you trying to make? Because to me it read boo hoo artists get no respect or money, which is entirely untrue and pisses me off because it perpetuates the same old starving artist perspective. And that comment comes off that way whether it was sarcastic or not, actually especially if it was supposed to be sarcastic (which is not obvious tbh) and why does it matter because who cares if a bunch of schmucks don't find value in art and don't support artists

Hey *I* made a dime! Well, I mean, I found one.

The Rich Rose exactly

YOUR FUCKING USERNAME LMAO

InCaseOfEmergency EatAss impossible but still... a staggering amount of tourists

You have no idea just how many animals visit France each year for recreational purposes!

Way too much.

tourists are people too guys

You are leaving out what a pain in the ass it is to set up your complicated "beautiful" tabletop/banquet designs

I thought he said ”duty”

get over yourself

I hear you. At the same time, I think there’s a place for barn and warehouse weddings; there’s beauty in those, albeit a different kind, and we (Canada) are an agricultural and industrial country after all. I’d be grateful to be decorating a barn or a warehouse rather than the venue I’m taxed with this summer - a community centre hall with zero architectural beauty and no windows.

look up the swedish word 'lagom'. i've found this cultural aspect of scandinavia throughout other european countries, they believe in balance of all things :D

Sounds like a creative person, himself

Beautiful

Same

Gift - let's get rid of 'curse' because it certainly isn't that

@@triconcert you're right

P.S. for example I am finding this a year later, and to top it off great things like this only get about 900-1k comments while brain less and unhelpful things get hundred thousands of comments. It's baffling and disheartening at the same time. But thank you for great messages like this for the ones that can use it and still appreciate it ✊🏾

I think a lot of people agree with you but won't say so because they don't want any online heat. He is, after all, the current Taylor Swift of influencers although he has a LOT of competition, some of whom are woefully miscast as influencers.

Some people chase money for security so they can do things they enjoy doing in their spare time, like playing the guitar, watching movies, making art etc.. Its funny when they could have just done that in the first place and get paid for it.

Money isn’t everything, but you need it to do basic everyday life. It’s a tool to help you reach your goal, not the goal itself. Regardless of what your goal is in life. Money will be key aspect of achieving it. The problem lies with those who misconstrued the meaning of money and instead treat it as their main goal. (Greed)

What/where do you feel called to explore in your inner or outer worlds? There may be a message for you in your yearnings...

Nice share, a year long comment but nice. Another reminder to keep you on track :D

​@@SeokJinKim-gs2in update: sold that house with a profit of 127,5K euros.. i bought again a fixer upper, its a house with 26 garages that are rented out. and a shop. my gf would like to open a kinder garden there. for me its fixing up the house first (heating isolating solar panels, new kitchen new bathroom).. than put in electric garage doors in the garages. and hang camera protection. and only the people who rent can come on my property with a other garage door. and than i can be financial indepentend. and than focus on my projects again. helping my gf with starting her business. and than mine..

I love this! Beautifully expressed and spot on in accuracy. Thank you!

fair point, but the countries of other continents aren't lacking, they just tend to be overlooked, y'know Eurocentrism. for example, a lot of european scientific discoveries can actually be credited to the middle east

Yeah well look at it this way. The toughest competition isn’t other artists, it is your own self. You are choosing the comfortable path (playing computer games) but life isn't comfortable, you only grow as a person throughout uncomfortable situations and suffering. Suffer now doing things that are "hard" and reap the benefits in the future. I hope this advice helps.

yeah, what you are describing is called selling out.

Yeah well integrity don't pay the rent

@@itannoysme3348 on contraire. Do you just make art for yourself? If you really care about what you do, you would want a lot of people to see it. Then why not make money out of it, is it selling out to know the value of your work? Are you lying to someone? You have a very bad mentality.