MJ literally retired in his PRIME at 30. The best statistical years for NBA players. Came back 3peated again. No one has ever owned a decade of sports like MJ.
@@kevinjohnson963 Actually he shared each decade played with other players, many players have gotten rings on his watch. No need to lie kid, you were better off staying silent.
10 straight scoring title... an unheard of accomplishment in all of sports. He only has 6 MVPs because the voters felt like they wanted to give it someone else. He should have at least 8 MVPs.
@@thegipper1215lebron getting stats playing alongside two top 10 players and losing deserved the mvp over drose who had no allstars and carried his team? You’re crazy
Accolades and stats aside, there was an air about Jordan that was simply unmatched. You felt his presence through the screen and had your eyes glued on him the entire time watching a game. He not only owned basketball, but seemingly all of the sporting world while he played.
@@Fatty723 LeFlop played in the Leastern conference. It is by all measures the weakest the Eastern conference has every been. It was literally called the "Leastern Conference" for a reason. Most years 10 of the 15 All NBA guys were in the West, and LeFlop had Wade, on of the few East representatives, With him. He had another all star in Bosh there were 41 50 win teams in the west, 10 60 win teams, and a 73 win team in the West, while LeFlop had to "contend" with 18 50 win teams (excluding the ones he was on) in the Least. There were seasons where 4 teams in the west were better than anything LeFlop would face in the Least. There were seasons where there were 7 50 win teams in the west because the least was so bad.
@@AGaboonViperIsUnderYourBed 4 or 5 different ocasions I was shooting hoops these past 6 months and some kids were there playing, ages 8-12 and I asked them who is the bball goat. everytime the very quick and unanimous answer was MJ. it's my small sample, but still... it means something.
@@MeekMillisbendingoverrnno they don’t. My favorite baseball player of all time is Ken Griffey Jr. But I know Barry Bonds, Willie Mays, Ted Williams and at least several others are better than Griffey was. Same with football. Barry Sanders is my all time favorite running back and football player of all time. But I know Jim Brown and Walter Payton are better. It’s called common sense.
@@AGaboonViperIsUnderYourBedcommon fucking sense says the man who is a better all around player would be the best player of all time. Jordan is not only a less basketball player but less of a person.
Skap Attack should be looking over his shoulder for the authorities, because the things he has done to Lebron’s “legacy” might be illegal in some states. Another great video.
if u think jordan is better than lebron , i think the same to , jordan is better , its fact , but having lebron not top 2 its phenomenal, lebron was the best player in the 4 finals he won , he is a 4 time mvp and and was 14 time in the top 5 in mvp voting . Also i think lebron has more competition in the fi als , he faced the warriors 4 time lost 3 time and won 1 time in 2016 , i believe that this ring is better than 2 rings combined . I dont understand , lebron faced though competition too , the piston, the big 3 celtics many time .
The "advanced analytics" push was a way to demean Kobe and stop the debate between Lebron and Kobe but it back fired when they went back to Lebron vs MJ debates. MJ not only is the greater player, he was also the most efficient player and that's including his two wizards seasons.
@@phillyphan1346 When you're built like a bulldozer in an age where defense and real centers don't exist, when more often than not the refs look away to your advantage and when 75% of your shots are bulldozered within 10 feet of the basket, you better have a higher field goal %.
@@phillyphan1346 lol you know free throw % matters too??? Notice your bum ass left that off. Their fg, 3p and TS is super close but their ft% isn't. It all is included. MJ career PER is highest of ALL PLAYERS ALL TIME including your Kyang
Jordan was 9 times all defensive first at the same time as scoring champ. That really shows how much of a beast he was on both ends. Also steals champ at the same time as scoring champ. Something that never gets mentioned. Jordan is top 5 in both totals and per game averages in both scoring and steals. Some players maybe both for one stat but not 2. Jordan took it to another level in the finals especially the first 3. 91-- average 11.4 assists per game highest for anyone not Magic. 92 - - average an impressive 42% for 3s and in game 1 shot six 3s in a half which was a record for 18 years until Ray Allen the only person to shoot more in a half 93-- average 41 points per game highest ever. Jordan has a higher peak which LeBron has not surpassed
@@Chuck_EL -- That's the thing, his Stans love to claim that lebron was a better Defensive player than Jordan... LOL!!! But Reality says that lebron wasn't even better than the players in his own time!! Lebron HOmers Hate Facts.
The biggest non-statistical factor for me, watching both players play over their eras, was that when the Bulls were chasing their titles, you just knew they weren't going to lose when it mattered. It was a sickening feeling, and I always found myself rooting for the underdog, but you always knew when Jordan controlled a game, and that was that. For LeBron you always found yourself considering broader factors, and although he's always dominant for sure, the games themselves always felt more fragile and undetermined. Jordan was just a force of will, and that's coming from a self proclaimed "hater" of the Bulls over their era.
I always felt like "on paper" LeBron should be physically more gifted for basketball, being bigger and stronger. But I feel he lacks that ruthless drive to compete to the point of being an asshole to everyone, both teammates and rivals. You can see it in "the last dance" when he calls Pippen "egotistical" bc he wanted to renegotiate his contract and was causing some trouble in the company. WHILE MJ WAS SWIMMING IN MONEY ALREADY!! I think LeBron would make a great friend but is not competitive to the level Jordan was
Great comment! I was actually a Chicago guy and remember feeling that if we were going into the fourth quarter loosing by less than 10, it was basically a guaranteed win! Jordan would make sure of it.
@@kleitosaliagas5668 thanks! Ironically I think Jordan created the culture by which LeBron could be deemed lesser i.e. individual over team, business not sport, control the wider personal brand etc. Put LeBron as a basketball player pre-Jordan and it'd be a different conversation I think. I do find LeBrons basketball IQ fascinating though, his situational memory/instinct is as impressive as anything else...Jordan was a relatively blunt basketball player in comparison, for better or worse.
@@user-sn2cx7fb5w there were mever 9 years where he didn't do anything, but yes absolutely! Down less than 10, going into the fourth, especially at home, in the late 80s (which I assume is when you are talking about when you say "didn't do anything") I totally thought the game was in the bag for us.
LeBron vs Jordan was never really a debate in the first place if you take a look at all of Jordans success wins accomplishments and the fact that he had such an enormous cultural impact on the game of basketball all over the world. It's obviously clear that Jordan is the much better player LeBron is a great player in his own way and I'll give him credit for what he's done but he'll never surpass MJ
What did lebron do that change the game? Player empowerment is the worst the thing that's happened to the league. I was all for it upon a time, but it's gotten out of control.
I don’t really respect anything about Lebron other than his raw athleticism. He’s cheated the game and himself in my opinion. That’s why he will never be Mount Rushmore in my opinion.
@@skap_attack That's fair to say LeBron did have to switch teams everytime the team he was on wasn't good enough to win a championship anymore because he likes to chase titles and he has no sense of loyalty like players in the past
Come in the league at 18 and leave at 40....you better have over 40k points, it's the ONLY thing you have to stand on and it didn't make Kareem the goat and he played 19 yrs
As a Heat fan I’m grateful for the two titles that LeBron brought us. And obviously as a Heat fan I have no real love for Michael Jordan who would regularly beat the crap out of us. But it’s undeniable that Jordan is the greatest player ever. We’ve never seen that combination of ruthless scorer and lock down defender. Kobe had a run where he was a great two way player. I was always proud of Wade for being a pretty decent defender as well as scorer. And South Beach Bron was a truly elite defender most of the time. But what Jordan did is unthinkable now. Dropping 40-50 on you with almost no threes and then locking down your best perimeter player. Doing this every night for 82 games with no “load management.” LeBron always gets called a freak athlete but Jordan really was that.
That’s a complete and total winning take right there. Kobe was as close as it gets. Averaging 29 per game for a decade while making 9 all nba team selections. But Kobe never reached the levels Jordan did. No one likely ever will.
LeBron clears lmao people wanna say load management and how Jordan played all games are the same people who say LeBron playing 20 seasons is why he has all these accolades it doesn’t make sense lmao
@@Dolla8playing 82 game a season and playing 20 years have nothing to do with each other. The straws the LBJ fans grasp at is ridiculous. Lebron plays in a much softer league with relaxed assist rules, and 1’s etc. in this defensively weaker league, Lebron couldn’t last 82 games a season. In an easier to score league, and with 3’s, Lebron still couldn’t beat MJ’s season scoring titles. LBJ can’t stand up to MJ’s defensive titles/ability. Those are both facts. Because of his load managing, and playing in a soft league, he has played 20 years and due to longevity, he finally passed MJ. Not the goat. He is a bad shooter, bad defender, flops, not loyal to teammates, makes excuses for his many losses that he caused and on and on.
Great video! It truly is not even close. With more opportunity, Lebron accomplished substantially less. There is an entire HOF career separating them. This absurd debate should have never started.
When you calculate it in your mind it's true indeed :2 titles, 2 FMVP, 1 MVP, 1 DPOY (basically Hakeem's resume in a nutshell even though I think he has 2DPOYs)
LeBron had -more help (all stars, 3 point shooters, well rounded role players, etc) -more athletic (bigger, stronger, more durable and less injury prone) -played WAY longer -played with more teams -improved sports medicine and training -easier to score in an era of fairly weak defense and lots of flopping -Rarely gets calls against him -played in a pretty weak east for much of his career. -got whatever the hell he wanted for the most part (LeGM). How the hell is he LESS accomplished if he's "better" than Jordan...? The math ain't mathing...!!!
Absolutely astonishing and unbelievable that this somehow became a conversation. I still am at a complete loss whenever I see people making a case for Lebron over Jordan. Quite frankly I don’t even have Lebron top 5.
@@skap_attack They don't even have the I.Q. capacity to do any retort videos to defend LeFlop. They just go to every video that tells the truth, then proceed to shed tears all over it
I actually agree with the fact that MJ is the GOAT, but there were some inaccuracies that bothered me: 1. Saying that advanced analytics were made up for the purpose of Bron propoganda is one of the wildest nba takes I’ve ever heard, and just isn’t true 2. Ok, yes MJ played against some all-time greats, but lebron lost his titles to the 2014 spurs, and warriors in 2017 and 2018. All 3 of these rosters have an actual argument for the greatest rosters of all time (granted there’s no excuse for that 2011 dirk choke). 3. Let’s not pretend MJ didn’t have a BALLER supporting cast, I mean a top 30 player all time in Scottie pippen, the greatest rebounder and several time DPOY winner Dennis Rodman, several time all-defense Horace grant, one of the most accurate shooters in his era in Steve Kerr. I’m not saying that Lebron hasn’t played with his fair share of superstars, but you make it sound like Jordan god-carried them to three rings when in reality he had one of the best supporting casts ever. Again: I AGREE that Jordan is the GOAT. If you take longevity out of the picture, damn near every metric shows Jordan was just better at the peak of his powers than Lebron ever was. I just thought some of your arguments were a bit ridiculous.
Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't know much about the MJ - Lebron goat argument before and this video was very informative, but it seemed very sensationalized.
Yea, this is honestly a pretty terrible video to watch if you want to learn about the goat debate. If you want a video roughly this length that is quite frankly more unbiased and entertaining than this one I’d recommend jxmmyhighroller’s “The Harsh truth about the goat debate” video. That’ll give you a much better idea of what is actually going on (also I just love jxmmyhighroller)
This video is one of the most emotionally derived pieces of bullshit on the GOAT debate. It belongs more in some Facebook group than in any forum for actual serious discussion. I also say this as someone who believes Jordan is the GOAT
I watched both play , Jordan was great but u Jordan lovers need to face facts , rings aren't all that matters , LeBron has accomplished a lot more with almost no other star players around him except for now having Anthony Davis , LeBron had guys that couldn't wait to play with him because for a stretch of time they knew they'd either win the finals or get there , plus please remind me who the all time leading scorer is now? I forgot LOL oh wait it's LeBron right ?
@@jeffsmith8204 first of all, I never said that Jordan is better because of the rings. Second, my favourite player is Olajuwon, therefore you can take your "u Jordan lovers and stick it. Third (and here is where I doubt you saw them both play) are you 15? Because you know, LeBron played with Dwyane Wade, and he was the one to sail ship and join other stars. Therefoe, you could have saved your time and shut up
@@elnardowebster2842 im 42 so yeah I've seen them both play LoL, I will never shut up sir so don't waste your time even mentioning that HAHA , I'm wondering where the age 15 came from though haha that was so random
@jeffsmith8204 bro lebron has had more help than jordan ever had its complete bs wade Kyrie wtf are u talking about u bronsexuals say some of the dumbest shit ever its mind boggling how u people actually think this way
@@jeffsmith8204 its like you didnt even watch the video. anyone can play a sport longer and get more stats. doesnt matter if you play a sport for 30 years if you werent good for all 30 years
The fact that Lebron has played for 4 different teams, played with multiple Allstars, and stacked his teams multiple times automatically ends the debate. MJ beat/won more than everyone on the Dream Team…. Meanwhile Lebron has played with more than half his Olympic teammates.
yeah I agree but whats weird is that when he got his Cavs ring they really weren't stacked.. they were actually a shitty team tbh aside from Kyrie and Love. After the ring He stacked the team and lost anyway
Jordan’s greatness cannot be overstated, including the impact he had on the game itself. Jordan single-handedly internationalised interests in basketball, there were courts/ outdoor hoops going up all over UK because of the interest he generated around what previously was mainly a US-based sport, he’s still selling millions of sports gear with his name on it decades after he retired from playing. The moves and fluidity to the game he introduced influenced countless baby-Jordan wannabes 😊 he is in a league entirely on his own. The only person I would allow to come close to challenging is Kareem (a rare discussion I would allow when generous), theres a pretty huge drop off after that when talking about the GOAT of BBall.
@@skiidmvdebunk the video? I would love to see you debunk the analytics and individual stats between both players! Comparing LeBron to many other great SF's who came before him that played at least 500 games than comparing Jordan to other great point guards who played at least 500 games and see where each player ranks in points, assists, steals, blocks, and so on it's not even close! Jordan takes it easily! I would love to see you debunk that FACT that the arrogant self proclaimed king has played hundreds of more games than Jordan and over 17,000 more minutes than Jordan and still doesn't rise to Jordans level! Jordan came out of retirement to come back and win another 3 consecutive titles! LeBron wouldn't have done that. He beat the warriors and self proclaimed himself as the greatest of all time which he received a lot of backlash for that on the media. If your the goat you don't have to say it! But the next two season LeBron was swept in the finals 0-4 and than the next year went 1-4! Some goat! All while having great players! Jordan achieved more in less time than LeBron and you millennials and LeBron fans can't seem to wrap your heads around that! The fact that some actually think that LeBron vs Jordan is even debatable shows how stupid some really are. Kobe is ahead of LeBron
@@timtwing5886 This whole video is a terrible argument and easily debunkable. You say that Jordan only has fewer total stats because he played for less time than Bron when Bron had passed Jordan in points by his 14th season and also passed him in total rebounds and assists and blocks before his 15th season which was Jordans last. You say Jordan led the league in scoring more and that's just about the only thing Jordan is better in. Lebron was always focused on being a more all-around player and averaging better all-around stats than Jordan and that's why he didn't lead the league in scoring more. Bron's era also excelled in scoring compared to Jordan's with way more scorer's and long-range shooters coming up. Lebron was still ana mazing scorer and he is also better all round than Jordan being the only player to be listed in all 5 positions. You also act like advanced stats were made for Lebron when they were there before he came to the league. You then mention how Jordan's accolades are better when Lebron should have won dpoy in 2013 and 2009. Lebron also has more longevity in defense and stayed at peak defense level for longer and his defense peak was better than Jordans. Lebron also should have won MVP in 2018 and 2005. Yes, Jordan has more rings, but Lebron made the finals many times where Jordan would not have made it and he played way more competition in the finals even though you want to argue that Jordan played more competition. You go off pure statistic numbers of all stars played and played with forgetting your own argument that Lebron played so much longer so he's had more all-star teammates which weren't all with him at once. Lebron played the best team of all time in multiple finals where Jordan had the second-best team of all time at his side. Jordan only led his team in scoring and steals in playoffs and finals where Lebron led every team he played for in every thing. Jordan has a terrible win percentage without Scottie and his team preformed basically the same when he left the league where Lebron's teams dropped all the way to the worst seed when left when before they were contenders with him. Lebron has played so much better competition than Jordan overall and only left his teams for what you say is "ring chasing" when in reality its because his other teams weren't helping him at all and were absolutely terrible. LeBron overall peaked higher than Jordan and you also dismiss his longevity likes its nothing when Lebron is still going strong at 38 years old consistently when Jordan was not doing nearly as well at Lebron's age. @skap_attack please give me some more bs reasons for why MJ is the goat so I can debunk them all.
Actually, Jordan's years at Washington seemed to solidify his greatness. Jordan was way past him prime and yet was one of the best defensive players as an old guy and could still score. It's unfortunate that injuries ended those seasons. LeBron is behind Bird, Magic, Kobe, Wilt, Russell, Dr. J, and Kareem. Those guy not only were great but brought fans to the league. LeBron has made the NBA a negative among most people. During the 80s, EVERYONE knew about Bird vs Magic, Celtics vs. Lakers. They made the NBA a big deal...then came Jordan. Jordan took the league to a higher level of popularity. Why? Because Bird, Magic, and Jordan were winners and faithful to their franchises. Most people like loyalty.
This whole loyalty thing is crazy.. 😂😂 are any of us loyal to our current employers? Hell no! If a better opportunity arrives and our current employer isn’t matching the offer/better overall work environment, we’d be out in an instant! And don’t ever forget that the Mavs traded Harrison Barnes in THE MIDDLE OF A GAME!! And you want players to be loyal to franchises?😂
Thanks for this. Sometimes I feel like I’m in an alternate universe where LeBron and MJ are always spoken of in the same breath. Never made sense to me. It is so ridiculous. Again, thank you.
I honestly feel bad for LeBrons horrible media partners and clutch sports guys who plants the narrative that he is the GoAT 🐐…instead of celebrating that Lebron is one of the greatest ever but firmly behind Jordan and possible magic, Kobe, Kareem….they have all the networks youtube and every other outlet talking about his weeknesses and that he’s not Jordan?
Jordan had a better peak but Lebron has proven better durability and sustained excellence so it depends on your criteria for who the best basketball player is.
man... out of all your vids on this subject this one I feel has the most ruthlessly accurate laid out data driven info dump on the two men put in a way that anybody who'd even attempt to argue against it just looks straight up stupid... THIS is the type video you need to shut all arguments about this down COMPLETELY... i'm archiving this right now for empirical evidence & historical documentary LMAO.......
the only stat you did miss though was the 3 straight stat... where Jeff never lost 3 straight games regular season or playoffs for 8 yrs during the 90's....
Here is a pretty good equalizer: On the all-time scoring list, Wilt is the only one on there with only 1045 games played. If you want to see how prolific each scorer was on the list, check their point total UP TO their first 1045 games, and the list looks like this: Michael Jordan: 31,714 Wilt Chamberlain: 31,419 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 28,753 LeBron James: 28,345 Karl Malone: 27,304 Kevin Durant: 26,892 Kobe Bryant: 26,430 Shaquille O’Neal: 26,325 So far, Jordan is the only player to have truly eclipsed Wilt, and both are the only players in NBA history to have eclipsed 30K points in 1045 games or less.
Michael Jordan in 11 Full Seasons with Bulls: 6 championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 10 Scoring Titles 9 First Team All-NBA Defense 1 DPOY award 3 Steals Champion 82 game seasons: 9 1 all star teammate Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined: 6 Championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 5 Scoring Titles 5 First Team All-NBA Defense O DPOY awards O Steals Champion 82 Game seasons combined: 2 14 combined all star teammates
@@abeezy2696 He was 40 and sports medicine, technology, and therapy was less advanced. Currently advancements allow much more longevity for peak play.
Thanks to MJ's former trainer with the Bulls for pointing out the one set of statistics that settles this debate once and for all: Only ONE player in the entire history of the NBA has accomplished all the of the following five achievements in a single season: Scoring leader title...First team All-Defense...MVP regular season...MVP NBA finals...NBA champion Yeah, MJ is the ONLY player in history to pull that off...and he did it FOUR TIMES!!!! P.S. MJ is also the only player to ever win the scoring title and be Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. Oh, and the one year that he played point guard, he came just short of AVERAGING a triple double for the entire season (missed it with only 9.6 rebounds per game - but think about his scoring average combined with also averaging more than 10 assists per game!). Case closed - MJ is the GOAT, and he's the GOAT by a long country mile.
Wrong, the case study should be of the MJ and LBJ fans, how many actually played basketball at a high level. I guarantee you, a majority of MJ fans never made it on their HS basketball teams- like skap
@@phillyphan1346What does Skap not being on a high school basketball team have to do with him ruthlessly dismantling the narrative that LeBron is anywhere near "GOAT" status? You can't disprove the stats, so you attack Skap personally? Not a big brain move there, cowpoke.
@@TheWorstAmy-LegacyAccount It means he never played the game at a high enough level to actually know what he is talking about. 90%+ of MJ fans are casuals who never even watched him or have played the game at a high level. If you havent noticed, more and more NBA greats are saying LBJ is the GOAT. It is going to continue as time goes on. In my experience. LBJ fans tend to know more about the game than MJ fans. Why? Because you need to know context. Additionally, Skap makes these disparaging LBJ videos weekly. He thinks about LBJ all day long. If it isnt a debate why does he make debate videos about it every other video? It is pathetic.
@@phillyphan1346You sound dumb more and more NBA players are saying it and now it's about 60% Jordan's the goat and almost 40% for LeBron so even the greatest athletes to lace up shoes don't have it even you parrot 😂 Nice try harder next time 😂
Thank You! We not just talking about a debate in basketball. This stupid debate between MJ-Lebron is the most pathetic debate in professional sports history. The longer this BS debate goes on, the WORST it's gonna get for them clowns in new media.
This is not a debate, it's a slaughter in MJs favor. Where are all the LeFlop fans at? Any of you all care to do your own debate videos to defend The Frozen One? Didn't think so Soft serves 😅
Well, they have to generate recency-bias-based 'hot takes' every day to attract views. I have watched both players' entire careers, unlike many of these youngbloods, and there is no real comparison, especially taking into account today's soft era. MJ is the best player of all time.
@mikerobinson6969 Jordan is the GOAT 🐐, but LeBron was 2nd in DPOY voting in 2013 the same year he won MVP, and almost won DPOY in 2014 too. He only cared about defense in his young prime, and not so much once he got into his 30s. Jordan gave his all, all of the time.
@@alvinbutler9357 the reason I made the comment about the fouls is because LeBron is #10 in games played, #3 in minutes played but ranks 176th in fouls. Everyone else thats top 10 in games and minutes ranks no lower than 30th in fouls. Hes played 349 more games and still has less fouls than Jordan, hes played 500 more games than Isiah Thomas and has less fouls than him as well. They say Jordan got special treatment with the refs..so what do they call what LeBron gets?
That's a great observation, but the only advantage of getting more fouls called is more trips to the line for more points. We both know LeBron doesn't need anymore of those lol.
Now we need to get this video out to every major media so they can repeat all this and tell the truth, instead of lie and say what they get paid to say
Coming back down 3-1 against the statistical greatest team of all time is not "killer" enough. Or the fact he has the most playoff game winners on an insanely high percentage.
You know what’s crazy. That that image of Lebron holding his hands out with that look on his face of desperation and pain will always be what I see in my head when he’s ever brought up in a convo
During Jordan's career, I set aside anything and everything to watch him play Sunday afternoons on the NBA on NBC. I've never done this for any other sport except golf to watch Tiger Woods play the majors. Jordan was absolute must watch TV.
I had to buy a 10 game package just to watch MJ play because my local team wouldn't just sell the bulls game. Worth every penny. When he was announced, the place went bananas and hundreds of sporting events later i've still never felt that electricity.
I've watched both players play. The deciding factor for me is toughness in a game. The game was much more physical in the late 80s and the 90s before the rules got nerfed to make scoring easier. When Jordon was fouled hard he got up and trash talked the opposing players. Lebron just pretends he is fouled hard and flops. I have a hard time even seeing Lebron as number two. He would get knocked on his ass every game in 90s.
It’s an easy debate 6-0>4-6 While being the better overall player and having better accolades and stats added with that, Jordan is clearly superior. Edit: Oh and Jordan did more, against more competition, with less help, in less time.
@@lRockyIyou’re strawmanning my argument. You’re making it only about rings, which isn’t what I did. I mentioned rings, them as overall players, along with stats and accolades. Also, Jordan clears Bill.
How a man that lost as many finals as Jordan won... and people think he's even in the conversation is beyond me. Yea he has more totals... so does Karl Malone. MJ is the 🐐
@@averageproblem the window is closed. He would have had to be as dominant as Jordan was. As great as LeBron is he simply was not. It's not just the 6 for 6 rings. It's the individual accolades too. Look at his basketball reference... count all the bold and italicized numbers, both standard and advanced, where he lead the league. He dominated. Now compare that to LeBron's. It's not close.
@@matthewt8214 this my counter argument.:ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IVdJ6Z9jluc.html&pp=ygUQZ29hdCBkZWJhdGUganhteQ%3D%3D People act like MJ will forever be the GOAT and never can be beaten. With players getting better every year, eventually someone is going to be a clear-cut GOAT and people will still be like "He's not even close to MJ" There are so many other parts to being great than stats. Stats just show who's a better player, and also gives a plus to the accolades collected.
@@averageproblem I completely disagree. With the game becoming more advanced, training and load management etc, at best it's going to muddy the water. Look at baseball. Babe Ruth isn't the clear cut goat, some say it's Barry Bonds who played recently. But as the game has advanced you see fewer players playing the full season, pitching complete games etc. There's less opportunity with all the focus on staying healthy
@@matthewt8214 Jokic won MVP this year (I'm ignoring Embiid's MVP because Kendrick Perkins is a bitch for taking his deserved MVP) Won the championship, all while only playing 69 games this season. Do you really need to play that many games if your team is built really well that it still wins without their best player? Don't get me wrong, they aren't the same without Jokic, considering the win shares he has over his career. My definition of greatness is the amount of accolades a player receives, and how dominant a player can be during that time. MJ played only 13 seasons. Veterans who are nowhere close as good as MJ played way longer. In that time he garnered more accolades than lebron did in 20. Of course I consider lebron to have been sold by his teammates a couple times throughout his career, and he also made the terrible move of trying to be GM. (How does a guy who can memorize the whole playbook and not be able to make sensible trades?) Lebron also had to play against one of the best teams assembled next to MJ's team, and then had to play them again with KD, but somehow won coming from a 3-1 deficit. Lebron also came into a team not willing to at least try to build around him, carrying his team to the finals with a bunch of scrubs, getting swept in no time. MJ got drafted to a team ready to build around him and gathered pieces that helped MJ be the greatest he could be. I think Lebron would've stayed with the Cavs if they did a better job building around him, he could've had a much better career than he has now. But of course, this debate is stupid because it all comes down to someone's opinion of greatness. That's why I believe the goat debate will never end with the majority with MJ, the minority with Lebron, and the last 5% with anyone but MJ or Lebron (for now)
I’m pushing 50, my older brother got me into NBA hoops in the early 80’s. I’ve still never seen anyone close to MJ. He was far better than everyone then or since then. Best scorer, best defensively, and the most clutch player I’ve ever seen. By far.
Also, if you look at star power. In Jordan's day people were truly in awe of his presence, if he was on TV the audience was going crazy, everyone knew this is a really special athlete. Jordan was well-spoken and advocated for good causes, not earning credit for his legacy, but using his star power for something positive. Lebron is a shadow of Jordan's aura and mystique.
The thing that will always keep LeBron out of the GOAT conversation were his days in Miami. He had the 3rd best player in the league, DWade, one of the best big men, Chris Bosh, and the 2nd greatest shooter ever, Ray Allen. He proclaimed he would win 7 championships, and shat the bed in 2011 and lost to a team of 40 year olds in 2014. He got a taste of his own medicine by losing to the Steph & KD Warriors twice.
I’ve never missed a player like I’ve missed watching MJ. It was so much fun and I’m so grateful to have been able to watch him. MJ did the things you always imagined as a kid by yourself shooting around - he was the physical embodiment of your childhood fantasies. By contrast, I can’t wait for Lebron to leave. I’m so sick of everything about him - his ego, his sycophantic commentators like Nick Wrong, and the horrible decisions the Lakers have to make because he’s on the floor. Not to mention what a complete baby he is. It is time for him to go…
Yeah, because MJ had no ego, no commentators gushing over him, and never acted like a spoiled brat himself, like storming out of practice because he didn't think that a scrimmage game had the right score.
@@DanTarrant1 just like MJ was better than LJ in basketball he was (and is) also better at media relations. Stayed out of politics, never said stupid crap like he was the goat, acknowledged other players, etc. He hasn’t even ripped Pippen publicly. MJ’s just more of a class act.
He had to take 4 years off in 15 years, ofcourse MJ couldnt last 20 years straight. I would have paid good money to see him on any other roster besides the Bulls. Pretty funny he wouldnt even come back to CHI unless Phil Jackson remained coach, he was literally going to stay retired if Phil left. That is your GOAT? a guy who won in ONE system which happened to be the best roster in the league? L M A O.
There are a lot of hot takes that are simply on the wrong side of history [We don't have to imagine with Lebron - WE ARE ALL STILL WITNESSING GREATNESS] Lebron James is on his way to 41,000 points; 11,000 assists and 11,000 rebounds; The only man with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE in NBA History; For context, no other player in NBA history has 27,000, 7,000, and 7,000 The comparison (statistically) really isn't that close As of March 20, 2019 -------------------------- LEBRON JAMES Career Points 32,543 Career Assists 8,606 Career Rebounds 8,844 Career Blocks 918 Field Goal Attempts 23,400 Free Throws Made 7,140 ---------------------------------------------------------- MICHAEL JORDAN Career Points 32,292 Career Assists 6,672 Career Rebounds 5,643 Career Blocks 893 Field Goal Attempts 24,537 Free Throws Made 7,327 ----------------------------------------------------------- LEBRON PASSED JORDAN IN 2019 AND HAS BEEN LAPPING HIM EVERY SINCE. And then there is this: Lebron has more player of the months all time than anyone in NBA history of the game Lebron has more player of the weeks all time that anyone in NBA history of the game More playoff points all time More regular season points all time More all star points all time More all star votes all time Most seasons averaging 25 ppg all time 4th all time in assists Most playoff assists and steals all time Most all NBA appearances all time When you say or hear CHASE DOWN BLOCK....who do you think of. Lebron's body holding up to possibly play with his sons is a strength/positive Jordan retiring multiple times is NOT a strength/positive. Longevity is not a weakness - it is a sign of strength.
MJ leading the league in scoring 10 seasons in a row is mind-boggling. Especially when you consider Wilt Chamberlain only had 7 total in his career. Also, for a majority of Lebrons career, the eastern conference was WEAK AF. There was that short run by the Celtics when they had their big 3 but that was about it. After Lebron went to Miami, there was no one in the Eastern conference to contend with. Also loved the wrap-up at the end about longevity being a minuscule thing when it comes to greatness. Joe Flacco having more passing yards than Joe Montana is hilarious though.
MJ didn’t win 10 scoring titles in a row. In Mj’s second season the 30 win bulls team made the playoffs yet LbJ’s east was weak. And we can’t compare two different sports
If LeBron was in the western conference those years I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been in so many finals. I think the bulls with Rose gave em a bit of a challenge a year or two plus Celtics like you mentioned and that's about it.
@@frankhtlllful DRose could have caused serious problems for LBJ if he had stayed healthy. That 2012 Bulls team was way better than the 2011 one which got to the ECF - still hurts to watch DRose highlights.
@@AntoineLHostRonYou 🤡. Michael Jordan 👉🏾 WHEN STARTING A SEASON HAS WON 10 CONSECUTIVE SCORING TITLES BOZO. David Robinson scoring title Jordan was RETIRED, Shaq 1995 Scoring Title Jordan played 17 Games that season in baseball shape, he didn't even qualify for the PPG list Bozo. When Jordan played and ended a full season he won 10 scoring titles consecutively. Jordan in 11½ seasons in Chicago has accomplished more than anyone in NBA History 👉🏾 WINNING & ACCOLADES Hold more weight than stats 👉🏾 THAT'S WHY THE MAN SAID JOE FLACCO HAS MORE YARDS THAN JOE MONTANA BOZO THE 🤡.
And it’s also been said before: How can LeBron be the GOAT when he can’t even measure up to Kareem Abdul Jabar, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird or even Magic Johnson, all who would have danced circles around LeBron James? Have you seen their films? These guys were intense and had fire in their eyes. I’m old enough to have seen them all play and their level of intensity was way higher than LeBron has ever displayed. C’mon, man. We all have our own opinions, but in my book LeBron doesn’t even crack the top 5.
This is by far the most comprehensive video that completely annihilates this "debate." The fact that MJ dwarfs LeBron even in advanced analytics says a lot, especially considering that these analytics were designed in part to diminish the great 90s players. It's also crazy how people just allow LeBron to skip past Kobe aka Diet MJ based on nothing more than empty stats. That Frank Gore/Barry Sanders comparison was a perfect example of how stats without context are for fools. Your videos never miss, and this one is my fav to date!
Thank you!! I appreciate the kind words and for your continual support and viewership 🙏🙏 Fundamentally, the entire line of reasoning on Lebron annoys the hell out of me. Just as you said: 1) the implication that Jordan v Lebron is even a debate and 2) that it’s “not close” between Kobe and Lebron. The only thing that isn’t close, never was and never will be is Jordan v Lebron.
How many dynasty teams did Jordan face? Your really think the skill level back then is comparable to know? I’m not discrediting certain great players of the 90s but the parity between teams then and teams now is incomparable. Why do we not put bill Russell ahead of Jordan? He got a 7peat and 2 more as player coach? It’s because we don’t acknowledge the skill levels of players/teams in that era? A little hypocritical don’t you thing? Get back at me, down to have a respectable debate. Until then it’s not even close King James >Jordan
@@PumpkinEscobar92 I think some put Russell a head of Jordan and I understand the reasoning. I personally have Russell on the Mount Rushmore. Lebron’s playoff opponents were not as good as you think. Some of the reason there were no other dynasty level teams when Jordan played was because of him. He didn’t allow others to win unlike Lebron. Jordan came up in the 80s that was STACKED. Bird Celtics and Magic Lakers. Bad boy pistons. More competitive and too heavy than any time Lebron ever played in. I’m working on an EXTENSIVE piece on what all time great has the BEST playoff resume. I’m deep into researching it and let me assure you, it’s DEFINITELY not Lebron lol.
@skap_attack He never beat Boston and he waited for the decline of the Pistons and Lakers to win his first Championship, at their peak Jordan couldn't get it done
@@shazmagoon right. BUT he did get it done 6 times in essentially 12 years. Lebron has played 19 years of healthy full seasons compared to 12 of Jordan and he’s got it done 4 times. AND Lebron has had way more help. In fact he just has to jump team to team to get more and more help. Still has failed substantially more than he’s succeeded. In fact Kobe played harder comp with less supporting casts and won more in less time. I’ve seen his entire career and for the life of me I can figure out why Lebron is held in such high regards.
We done with the 90s 💀 these are some of the most cherry picked stats I’ve seen, also saying media is marketing lebron is crazy because media hates lebron as much as you do, the fact that you say the Mike played with 1 all star makes no sense at all rodman was a all nba player as well as was pippen saying he had worst teams is insane, Jordan was on the greatest team, lebron beat them, Levels.
Michael Jeffrey Jordan can do what every other basketball player can do. But no other basketball player can do what Michael Jordan can do. Thank you, scap attack You are definitely a basketball savant🐐🐐23👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥🎯
He's truly 1 of the very few on gems youtube.. even the rest of "truth tellers" mostly have this bum in their top 5 still JUST in case😂so they don't get labeled a "total hater" and in future could get big sponsors and sht SMH
Many thanks for the kind words, guys. I appreciate it, and I appreciate you tuning in! And I will never sell out 😂. I will continue to bust this bum up all over this platform 🙏 ❤️
@@skap_attack He's got a whole political party, 10s mills of Letrolls and 2 dozens of LeMedia members behind him, but "the light always shines inside darkness", so we'll win anyway! Ty again.
@@crangusmcbasketball2931 the greats always stay with one team Jordan Kobe magic Russell bird Duncan curry all successfully created a dynasty with the team that drafted them. Lebron never created a dynasty in Cleveland so he left like a female dog
Ill never forget when MJ came back to play again. The whole world was so excited like Ive never seen before. It didnt even matter who he played for, we just wanted to see the magic again.
@@stephanebouvier1304 lebron is DEFINITELY in the debate. You may not have him as the goat and that’s fine, but if he’s not 1, he’s top 2 all time and if you deny that you’re just hating
@@Robss_listen. I don't know the entire history of basketball. I have never seen play wilt or Julius erving or baylor or Jerry west or maravich or many others. But i saw Jordan and lebron play a lot of time and there's no debate between them. It's even pathetic and ridiculous to claim to have a debate on this. It's not close, lebron is far from Jordan. But i don't know if Jordan was better than every other basketball player in history. I don't know if Jordan is number one. And I don't know if lebron is number 2. To be honest, for example, i prefer magic or bird to lebron but i don't know if they were better or not, it's another debate. What do you know about the history of basketball? How old are you? What have you seen?
@@stephanebouvier1304 it’s funny how you say that it’s not even a debate (also admitting you don’t know a lot about basketball) but multiple NBA players and coaches have lebron as their goat. Excuse me but I’m valuing more the opinions of some of the best basketball players on the planet rather than yours.
The 97 and 98 bulls are the worst offensive supporting casts to win a ring in NBA history. MJ won back 2 back rings on a historically bad offensive team.
Michael Jordan even said that he would’ve loved to face the greats before him and even after him. And that it would be a disrespect to everybody that came before him. But he did appreciate being a part in the whole process, and being a part of the debate. But he would never give himself that type of accolade. He’s letting everybody decide for him. As we should.
I've never heard a reasonable debate about this subject. All it is is MJ fans with stats and the truth vs lebronze fans and their weird feminine emotions.
Actually its more of a homosexual emotions because girls only do that yo someone they really love. Homosexuals do that even for their favorite boy toy.
@@ButchCrassidytalking with feelings instead of facts. All I hear from LeFans is how he is bigger, stronger, and faster. Somehow that means he better. Oh let’s not forget the whole he’s more “versatile” then mj but made less 1st team defense and never won the dpoy. I understand though because every statistical number is in mj side so makes sense why all I hear from LeFans are just emotional talks.
The debate starts and ends with Lebron getting shutdown in a finals by JJ Barea. If you think that a player comparable to Barea would ever shut down MJ in a finals, you are nuts.
lebron is the goat. mj never led the bulls to the finals before pippen. can you tell me who was the clevelands roster in 2007 finals? lebron took a trash team to the finals at 23 years old. mj would never
I love how during the "Reign of Lebron" 😩 ugh smh, Curry won 3 chips off the "self proposed king", Duncan won 2 chips off him, and last but certainly not least ya boy Dirk won 1 off him (that equals 6 finals L's 😱)........ Meanwhile Jordan ain''t let no one eat chips after he got a competent team (which LeBron seems to always have but never when HE loses 🤔) Jordan>Lebron 😂😂😂
And...those teams have winning records against LeFlop in the Finals Warriors 1-3 (should have been 0-4 if not for a Warriors chokejob and a series-winning 3 by Kyrie Irving) Spurs 1-2...(should have been 0-3 if not for a miracle fading back 3-pointer from Ray Allen) This LeBum should have been 2-8, with a weak LeBubble ring against a 1-star Miami Heat team. FRAUD
@@bwink23 And don’t forget that Lebron only made the finals so much because he played in what is considered very weak eastern conferences with stacked teams.
Yea the debate ended in 2011. If your super team couldn't beat an old Dallas team with 1 superstar you can't even play to your average (Lebron didn't have 2 be a super hero just reg season Lebron) and you get cooked by 2 role players... U can never be in a GOAT conversation
without Pippen, Jordan was 1-9 and a BALL HOG for 6 to 7 years. Lebron is a All around team player. It takes 4 other players not just one player ro win the nba championships. Research your stats better you foool. Enough said🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
Thanks for bringing some much needed balance to the discussion of LeBrons legacy. Honestly, he's not even in discussion of being better than MJ or Kareem (my top 2 all time) and I still don't rank him higher than Kobe Magic Duncan or Wilt. He has this strange insecurity where he wants everyone to praise him. Even when he called himself the goat, he didn't really believe it as he was fidgeting and looking down. Klutch media has done well of manufacturing a MJ LeBron debate because if you keep bringing it up and comparing the 2, most people will say "well he's not better then mj, therefore he's #2". LeBron going to Miami ruined his legacy and he decided to try to stack the deck in his favor overwhelmingly going forward. Not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7... He meant that and tried to be the Bill Russell of this generation but failed. How does the far less talented Kobe and Gasol Lakers have the same amount of rings as the Heatles? Ironically if he just waited it out in Cleveland he'd still would have dominated the east as the Boston big 3 was getting old... Instead he created a super teams arms race which actually blocked him from more rings(KD warriors)
Lebron has been incredibly durable and statistically relevant for 20 years. Factor in his four stolen, garbage rings and he’s still somewhere in the top 10. IMO he’s down by the very bottom. He will never get anywhere near a top 5 list of mine and he will NEVER be in ANY legitimate GOAT conversations.
Three SF I’d take before Lebron: Bird,Barkley and Kawhi Leonard. Hell I’d even take Tayshaun Prince before him… and everybody also glamorizes the chase down blocks? Prince was doing that wayyy before, when Lebron was still in diapers!
LeBron James Has Only Made 19 Of 107 Shots In Clutch Situation During His Career: 17.8% FG, 12.5% From 3-Pointers. LeBron James has struggled throughout his career to make clutch shots during regular season games as per stats. Playing 20 seasons in the NBA is no small feat.Jan 12, 2023
lebron is the goat. mj never led the bulls to the finals before pippen. can you tell me who was the clevelands roster in 2007 finals? lebron took a trash team to the finals at 23 years old. mj would never
not to mention. Jordan participated and won Slam dunk contest while the diva himself doesn't wanna participate, robbing fans who have expected him to be in at least one.
@@braindead3919 He is 4-10 in more important contests while playing alongside 15 all stars in total, so what's your point?? Every other hof dunker has participated in the contest; Dr J, Nique, Kobe, Kemp, VC, TMac, etc
No one respects the Warriors. 3 of 4 rings are heavily asterisked. Steph needed Kyrie & Love to be hurt in 2015. Steph needed daddy KD to save him from Lebron in 2017 & 2018. Those GSW 2017 & 18 roster were the greatest teams of all time. All it takes is 5 HOFers on one team to stop LBJ.
@phillyphan1346 lol, so we are looking at CONTEXTS? Dude played with the most HOFers and ring chased all his career. I don't want to hear shit about being beaten by a super team. Warriors had a better team and went 8-1 in that 2 year span in the finals. Lebron had Wade and Bosh and couldn't even go 8-1 in any point of that Heat's run. Bro. This is the lamest excuse I see. You put asterisk when you are the underdog and lose. How about the crippled Heat Bron beaten in the bubble? How about an injured Steph and suspended Draymond Green while starting center Bogut was also hurt. I will give LeBron and all his fans ASTERISK with caps. You want to talk about context. Don't pretend that those things never happened.
@@aalluubbaa Steph looked pretty healthy to me when they were up 3-1. He choked masterfully in games 6 and 7. That is what happens when you are a gunner who plays one side of the court. How many finals MVP's does Steph have btw? Draymond got suspended- oh, so he missed games 5, 6 and 7? No, he just missed game 5, and they still had a 3-2 lead. One more item, just a fun fact, under Steve Kerr the GSW have never won a playoff series they were not the favorites by Vegas. Front running organization, hold that L from 38 year old King James who ended your weak dynasty.
NO. Respectfully Bean was not the captain of three of his championships. He had 2004. That HAPPENED. Just as bad as Lebron in 2011. That’s a fact. Then there’s running off Shaq. Losing HORRIBLY for years because of his EGO. The Lakers had to bring Phil back to rein in his massive massive ego and make him share the ball. Bean is an ASTOUNDING talent. But he ain’t close to JORDAN as far as this debate goes sir. Bean is respectfully between 5-10. Same as Lebron. If you want to place him in the top 5 you have to explain his case over Kareem Bill Russell Magic Tim Duncan Shaq etc. But he is nowhere near being the greatest. That’s fanboy talk.
@@michaeltrenieras a kobe fan i respect this answer 100%. The bitterness in me just won’t accept it if Lebron is ranked over Kobe. Idc where he is placed, just as long as Kobe is ahead of Lebron in the top 10 then im happy. But I ain’t a true basketball fan, just a kobe and a lakers fan lol
Yeah there's no debate here either but Kobe was closer to mj than lbj. He stole a lot of his moves and had a similar offensive style but at the end of the day he still didn't reach mjs level of dominance. Honestly I don't think we'll even c another player as close to mjs level as Kobe was either.
It is hilarious that those advanced analytics were created after Jordan's playing days and we all know LeBron is very much aware of them and is chasing them. Yet, Jordan still has the edge in them.
I just discovered this channel, and I’ve watched every video I can’t believe how much the media hid from me as a casual fan of the game, keep up the good work dawg 💯
there really is no debate, Mj was a cultural phenomenon , you cant speak about the 90's without mentioning him, i mean the man had a theme song! Lbj is & has never been anywhere near that level of cultural relevance , nor has his level of play been anywhere near Mj's greatness on the court.
@@gstacks814 being an icon is the same as popular, it’s not lebrons fault y’all hate him, are you gonna use peoples animosity towards a popular player to diminish their skill? Let me remind you pretty much all of Jordan’s own teammates called him an asshole in interviews and documentaries but it would be idiotic to say he wasn’t that good just because he wasn’t liked by his teammates, who gives af how popular u r or how much people like you or if your an “icon”, that doesn’t correlate at all to your basketball skills
@@lRockyI no, it's not the same thing at all..an Icon shifts the cultural paradigm, do you understand? , it's a much more powerful position to achieve than just being popular, by many accounts Mj isn't a good person as an individual ( neither is lebron, he just wears the mask of the family man , but anyways) but Mj is synonymous with Greatness, he is the ICON of greatness! where as lbj is synonymous with excuses .
I grew up watching Jordan even though I’m a Pistons fan. Jordan is without question the GOAT. I’m not a Bulls fan but damn they were amazing to watch. Give credit where it’s due
I know people are going to say that Skap Attack is a hater when it comes to Lebron but, he's just pointing out the facts. 6 is greater than 4. Thanks for another great video!
There is MJ then there is everyone else. If you truly study Jordan's career one thing becomes crystal clear. MJ is actually underrated. That's right the GOAT is underrated. Those MJ fans who know everything about MJ already know this. Meanwhile Lechoke is the most overrated player in the history of the league.
Jordan won his championships more efficiently than Lebron, a perfect 6-0 record in the finals. Lebron lost more finals than he won. Currently, his record is 4-6. The con of longevity is he is at risk of adding to his championship loss record. It already looks bad due to the fact he's been to the finals 10 times and only got 4 wins.
MJ is on GOAT Tier level 1 Level 2: Kareem and Lebron -- mostly b/c of longevity. Not too far behind on level 3: Magic, Bird and probably Curry, will be Jokic, Duncan, maybe KG-Kobe, and whoever else. etc.
LeBron on tier 2 is debatable. Where is Russell,Wilt,and Shaq??......Curry is an all time great,but his place in the top ten is debatable. Magic should be tier 2 easily. Hakeem should be mentioned if Curry is mentioned.
Notice that they played in different era's. I don't care if it is not close LeBron faced tougher competition. Not only did LeBron win a Ring in different conferences he also Won in a different era. I'm taking LeBron James over Jordan any day any hour any minute on the court winning or not he's carried a team to the finals more even tho he did it in a " weak " comp conference that absolutely does not mean anything he is facing pro's who have atleast 1 allstar on their roster for example the 2003 Eastern Conference allstars that we're chosen we're. Allen Iverson,Tracy McGrady,Vince Carter,Jermaine O'Neal, Ben Wallace, Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd, Paul Pierce, Jamal Mashburn, Antoine Walker ,Žydrūnas Ilgauskas,Brad Miller. Those we're the allstars before LeBron was drafted and you guys are telling me the conference he faced the year after was weak if you want to see the players take a look for your self. I'll pull up more facts.
There’s 100s of stats and you have to cherry pick any meaningful ones to find anywhere where LeBron is better. But Here’s the one that matters the most. Over 100 current and former NBA players were surveyed. 78% Jordan, 11% LeBron. In any surveys of former or current players Jordan is always WAY ahead, it’s not even close. If you thing you know more that the guys who played against them you’re kidding yourself.
@@thatoneguy5001 insightful. So you think you know better than NBA players? Righto edgelord. You knobs take LeBron. The intelligent ones will take Jordan. He’d wipe the floor with him. LeBrons a great player, but this debate is a non-issue. Just fanboys fanboying
@SonicCollectionsPS2Noises I don't give af about you basketball fanboys or your LeBron v. Jordan takes. Grown ass men online giving nicknames. It's entertainment, and you bums take this to heart 😆 good day 🕊
thats disrepectful to Princes, dood.. lets be respectful to the real ones... LeCry is the League's Jester.. i mean they are his initials, arent they? might as well put them to actual use..
I grew up in the Jordan era watching him play in his prime in the early 90’s. I even grew to like LeBron from high school and have followed him ever since. I started to hope LeBron could get at least 7 titles, 6 MVP’s, 2 DPOY, and do it with one team, but that never happened lol. I just started watching MJ again this year (as this debate continues) and now I just realised, It’s not even close Bron! 😢👉🏆🏆🏆🏆
There are a lot of hot takes that are simply on the wrong side of history [STOP HATIN'] Lebron James is on his way to 41,000 points; 11,000 assists and 11,000 rebounds; The only man with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE in NBA History; For context, no other player in NBA history has 27,000, 7,000, and 7,000 The comparison (statistically) really isn't that close As of March 20, 2019 -------------------------- LEBRON JAMES Career Points 32,543 Career Assists 8,606 Career Rebounds 8,844 Career Blocks 918 Field Goal Attempts 23,400 Free Throws Made 7,140 ---------------------------------------------------------- MICHAEL JORDAN Career Points 32,292 Career Assists 6,672 Career Rebounds 5,643 Career Blocks 893 Field Goal Attempts 24,537 Free Throws Made 7,327 ----------------------------------------------------------- LEBRON PASSED JORDAN IN 2019 AND HAS BEEN LAPPING HIM EVERY SINCE. And then there is this: Lebron has more player of the months all time than anyone in NBA history of the game Lebron has more player of the weeks all time that anyone in NBA history of the game More playoff points all time More regular season points all time More all star points all time More all star votes all time Most seasons averaging 25 ppg all time 4th all time in assists Most playoff assists and steals all time Most all NBA appearances all time When you say or hear CHASE DOWN BLOCK....who do you think of. Lebron's body holding up to possibly play with his sons is a strength/positive Jordan retiring multiple times is NOT a strength/positive. Stop Hatin'
@@Officiallyjaystick brah I ain’t hating, I will forever be a LeBron fan but let’s face it dude … Who was dubbed #1 in the top 75 NBA players of all time? Not Bron brah, I’m just coming to the reality of things. It sucks but it’s facts man, facts! 😩
Jordan would be on the TV on some random game and people who didn't even care about basketball would stop and watch in the street through a store window, on their way home from work, because they were seeing something amazing and they knew it. When he went off to play baseball, the NBA lost about half its over all viewership. Watching him play live, you felt privileged to be there, alive in that time and place to see that. It was like watching Mike Tyson in his prime. Jordan on the court would make the hair stand up on your arms watching him play. He was that good.
Yeah because that was the only game broadcasted lmao old ass dudes need to realize that’s why the all star game/dunk contest use to be better because of lack of everyday exposure
@@daking414 People don't randomly watch games now. Get your facts before you speak. The dunk contests sucks now because the best players lack creativity and many won't even participate once.
@@nathancook2852 think before I speak? So you’re tellin League Pass was around the whole time jordan and the earlier legends were? If I live in NYC I’m not able to see anything other than my market unless it was on NBC which lead to me only getting to see these other stars outside of my market play.
This video is insane, lol! Seriously, each video is better than the next. Keep up the excellent work. Its incomprehensible to me the few that try to argue with you. They never refute your points. They just insult your analysis, but never refute it. Facts are a powerful thing to have.
Haha thank you 🙏. And that’s my intention with every video I make. A lot of “creators” in this space just want to make videos to get views or promote conversations lol. I’m trying to destroy conversations 😂. End debates. I want to leave no questions with every video I make. It might take me more than one video in some instances. But I’m on a mission lol. Thank you for continuing to tune in 🙏 ❤️
@@skap_attack I literally wrote a comment debunking this whole video and u ignored it but replied to this one? Also how is lebron not second of all time your just hating atp. Nobody that knows ball and no specialist doesn’t have jordan and lebron top 2
Not only was Jordan better, he was the only player I know of, who drew in people who cared nothing for basketball. So many non sports fans showing up to his games or glued to the tv during live matches. His layups were such an amazing site to behold. Seeing him switch hands 2-3 times in mid-air in front of Ewing, Barkley, etc. while seeing his flawless layup go off the backboard.
Michael Jordan is the GOAT but he for sure had a better supporting cast, Lebron had nobody when he was first in Cleveland and then built a super team with no depth in Miami, and then went back to Cleveland when lyric left him and he had to carry his team to the finals. Michael Jordan had players like Steve Kerr, Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, and Toni Kukoc. Solid role players and an all time great player in Scottie Pippen.
Emmitt Smith has more rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, carries, and games played than most top 10 running backs. Smith is probably the 8th-10th greatest rusher in NFL history. Stats are one thing. EYEBALL Test is another!
You nailed it. The media has created this "debate" and its benefited their agenda of making content that will be profitable when getting sponsorship money selling commercial time .
Winning championships are a team accomplishment. MJ only really had to do was score the basketball and play defense in which came in an era where he didn’t have to worry about spacing and provided the luxury of hand-checking. He had everyone else do the other stuff for him. In 2016 Bron led both teams in all 5 major statistical categories. He had to be an elite scorer, defender, playmaker and rebounder for the Cavs to upset the Warriors. If you place any of the championship Bulls teams MJ wouldn’t have to worry about guarding Curry because he had people do that for him. He didn’t have to worry about blocking shots and rebounding the ball because he had people to do that for him. It’s a paradox really. Bron doing all 5 things at a high level was more impressive than MJ only scoring a ton in the finals.
Jordan guarded the best perimeter player every damn night. Just shows you never watched the GOAT play. "All he had to do was score", who the hell else was gonna score. Pippen ave 16 for his career, a little better when he played with Jordan, Kukoc 14 a game, Grant 11, that was it. And he didn't have all 3 of those guys his entire career. Let's be generous and say Jordan's next 3 tops scorers get 45 a night. LeFlop had Wade and Bosh, those two alone get 45 a night... And LeFlop's cast gets better than Jordan's the deeper you go...
While I agree that you can't really compare different eras, and I agree that MJ is head and shoulders above LeBron, IMHO, the true, most dominate player in the history of basketball was the big dipper, Wilt "the stilt" Chamberlin. He still holds more than 70 records today.
