Joseph Smith's Seer Stone Revealed-Dan Vogel 

Thanks. That's sort of what I have in mind as I produce them.

Anyone that can “see” would not want someone else’s “tool” or in fact need it.. As far as the fraud theories kind of interesting that some of his practices were also done by Shaman and other Natives long before the these people were here... The are many similar legends and now stories are coming to light revealing the pyramids hidden underground all over the world... I also know it was not unheard of that treasures were thrown down old family wells during raids to burn their homes down...

@@ancestraltwine9123 this is a a big swing and miss. Your logic doesnt even make sense. Just because other people also spewed bullshit, we should also believe Joseph's Smith's bullshit? Treasure in wells? Thats your argument? LOL. Pathetic. Pyramids hidden underground? Please share a link.

God speaks to us on our level. The seer stone was a part of Joseph's culture, and a tool that God knew Joseph would understand. He will likewise speak to modern prophets through their language, understanding, and tools.

I appreciate this thought experiment 💡

Yeah an episode of "ridiculous history"

​@@lisedale6767yeah a history of witchcraft.

unfortunatly you are learning false history.

That's very little.

​@@grayman7208this is all true. The LD$ church can't hide these accult practices and fraud by its founder any longer.

It is appalling, but I don't find it difficult to believe. Look who is president.

Joseph Smith can fool some of the people, some of the time, but he can't fool all of the people, all of the time.

That’s not a really fair assessment. Many intelligent men believe things that are atrociously immoral (see every major dictator for the past 100 years). It does not make them unintelligent.

@@devinwilcox2153 Yes but the scam is particularly evident in this one.

tell me more...

HA! Yes, absolutely! Love this comment.

What Dan is saying in this video is not true, so if you want to believe a lair than go for it!

​@@kelleynrothaermel2311 Smith should have been stoned and if you care at all for God you will put away that false prophet from among you.. (Deut 13:1-5)

@@inTruthbyGrace I am closer to God than I ever was before. We don't worship Joseph Smith and you guys all get caught up in these tiny details that you miss out on the bigger picture that by reading the book of Mormon you will be closer to Heavenly Father and his mission of love and redemption.

Bhggh

@@kelleynrothaermel2311 no. There's zero evidence for it like there is the Bible.

Yeah Dad...What the Hell?!!

Mormons are actually taught Ceremonial Magic in the temple. The Endowment ceremony is taken from the ritual of Freemasonry.

Savage but true

Huffdaddy You maybe right that anyone that is fooled by magic is a sucker. But let’s looker deeper. Using your logic of indoctrination or being fooled by magic and conmen you’re basically saying everyone that pays taxes deserves to pay taxes cause they’re the suckers. Rich people write the laws so it always benefits them. If you think about it when fdr lied to the people and was a conman he stole everyone’s gold. The conmen created a banking cartel. Still to this day most people think the federal reserve is part of the federal government. They don’t know the federal reserve pays a 6% dividend and is privately owned. My big thing is maybe Joseph was a conman. That’s a possibility. But then I ask wtfz mess with religion when you literally can make millions being a conman for the government and do insider trading. If Joseph really was a conman and he scammed people by using his hat and reciting words he must have a super smart memory. I couldn’t recall vast amounts of a story to recite day after day. But like if a person could do that and they’re a conman like why didn’t he just join the club aka the government which is the mafia in a suit and tie. It’s like look at the magic and conmenship the US did to invade the Middle East and overthrow iraq and never finding WMD. Gerald celente says a honest review of events was Lybia and iraq wanted to sell oil in gold or euros so the U.S. overthrew them so oil is sold in dollars. Like that’s amazing work of conman. Like do you know if Joseph had an eidetic memory? The guy had to have been super smart but then it’s like if you’re that good why not just join the government? That or why not con other rich men and the government. Look at Epstein’s story as a conman. He had dirt on the government which is probably why he was either killed or moved but was allegedly dead. Like Epstein’s wife being in prison and not in witness protection for her testimony just shows there’s two sets of laws or conmen running things behind the scenes. I think I heard Joseph ran for office but it’s like a good conman would get in office and work it over time. Look at Lincoln. He got in and was like we must murder others. It’s like so bad. People assumed they had to have a civil war which wasn’t a civil war since the south wanted to not control the north. Today they’re saying civil war may happen and it’s like what a lie. There’s the possibility that states just secede and start countries peacefully.

Huffdaddy I forgot to say you mention only Mormons that know of the magic deserves to lose their time and money. Do you not realize the Bible and Christianity and Judaism and also have magic? Do you not remember Moses turned his stick into a snake? Moses also used his stick to find water or make water come from a rock. That is eerily close to dowsing basically. Oh ya remember the magic that Jacob did? The dude that married two sisters! He worked for his father in law saying like give me your spotted calves as payment so the next year there’s a lot of spotted calves. Then the payment was stripped cows or whatever and MAGICALLY there were stripped calves. Like that’s another example of magic in the Bible by two major religions believing in it. Let’s not forget that that god also killed judahs sons for not knocking up their sister in law. Then judah knocked up his daughter in law. Like that’s maybe not magic or occult but a religion that promotes knocking up your sister in law or you’ll die is like weirder then most things Mormon I’ve read about.

Thanks for not joining the Mormon church...we would have thrown you out eventually. Too weak.

John Lee . Don't get your magic undies in a wad. Masonic rip off is all Mormons are. Kinda why your great prophet was throwing up Masonic hand signals before he was gunned down. Weak ??? No. More like strong enough to resist the bullshit

If you were Mormon...thanks for leaving. If you never were Mormon...stay out. Have a nice, unaccountable life.

@@johnlee1352 You are correct. It takes a lot of mental strength to follow a known proven lie. It takes a lot of mental strength to have a testimony of a book created by Joe Smith. It takes a lot of mental strength to ignore the truth the Joe Smith was a charlatan. It takes a lot of mental strength to believe even know there never was any golden plates and believe even know nobody actually ever saw those plates with their eyes. Not to mention believe despite there not being and Lamanites. No lamanites, no plates equals well you guessed it. The church brethren was pretty strong for decades hiding the facts, of course the facts are out.

@@TheChenny73 Were you LDS at some point? You sound like one of the weak bricks...

Thank you. I'm currently working on a biography of Joseph Smith, 1831-1839, for Smith-Pettit.

​@@danvogel6802 Thank you for your response, I am greatly appreciative. I will definitely be on the lookout for the title's release. Specific focuses seem to be richer and denser-super excited!

+Esai Solis Thanks!

+Dan Vogel I just think you totally tell the truth Dan. And the recent announcement by the church about Smith's seer stone just totally proves that you've done nothing but speak the truth Dan. And you've done it in a fair manner.

+Dan Vogel My name is actually Michelle... this is my son Esai's channel lol!

Except Dan uses his opinion often instead of facts that are documented.

Dan Vogel is one of the most respected historians on Mormonism in the world. He is an award winning author on Mormon history. If the 'Facts' you are referring to are the army of Mormon pseudo scientist and pseudo historians then don't even bother. The Mormon sect hates him because he makes it near on impossible for them to spin their lies. The whole 'Religion' is an outrageous hoax and you'd just laugh and let them be but for their financially predatory tactics and that they tear families and individuals apart.

That's very nice troy ,,I like that it makes allot of sence

Arguing and debating are important ways we as humans learn… not arguing with anyone about anything and just doing as your told only teaches you and the rest of the world that you are insecure and weak… therefore I believe when people never argue or question or debate those are the insecure ones.

Oh you want them to argue with you. That’s why you commented. Lol

@@devinwilcox2153 haha…no its not that. I just think it’s important for people to question things in the quest for knowledge.

Just because it is uncomfortable for them, they refute it. All this is in their own history.

+Rob Bates Another good video for idiots. "Documentary videos for idiots"

+Sandra Papuni please elaborate. Claiming something is idiotic without any examples is a major cop out.

Rob Bates "Claiming something is idiotic without any examples is a major cop out." But mormons are well trained in talking the talk but not in elaborating.

No doubt. Further, the Mormon Corporation of late has had to spin-doctor a LOT of their previous pronouncements in an attempt to legitimize them. Too bad for them, however. Looks like the "fix" didn't work !!!

Pretended to use it to translate would be more accurate. It's just a normal stone. Nothing special. Tell me if someone came to you and said that they translated some ancient record using a stone in a hat, would you believe them?

@@michaelgrey7854 Hmmm...no reply to your question. Lol

Thanks for your comment. It means a lot to me.

what about, bdelleum?

hahaha...

hahaha!

I encourage you to watch Lee Baker.

No prophets have been called by God to translate any scripture for almost 300 years. Seer stones are used by some and not others. It is a spiritual gift.

@@jbailey1898 It is occult practice, and certainly not of God or Christ. You are truly deceived if you believe your statement and the Truth...is not in you. Christ claims to be the Truth. This Seer Stone...is not Truth. Divination, crystal balls, etc...is of Satan.

@@jbailey1898 Translate a scripture? Nothing was translated.

cuinn837 I have also researched seer stones of other villages in England. It only helped solidify my assurances about the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. I am grateful the Heavens are open, to prophets and each of us , as children of God, so we can discern for ourselves what is true and what is false.... like so many of Dan Vogel's he said, she said, claims.

@maxwell sad thing is, you'll probably find if you research it, that the mormons are proud of it the same way they're proud of mountain meadows massacre, but pretend to be shocked and dismayed. if they really thought mountain meadows was unchristian, they would allow the bones of the dead to be returned to their relatives for proper christian burial. but in utah, it's we bags 'em we keeps 'em. i'm thinking about the big sign on the highway in cache valley leading into idaho. a big sign marking a big indian massacre lead by prominent mormon assassins of the day.

Thank you for sharing your experience. Very well stated. Blessings to you.

+Mark Hansen And you can only think of ONE reason why these changes were made. Brilliant.

Lorin Capson let's check-up thé future of thé story ...

@@nadineitetekabongo9376 okay Nadine, please update us.

So Lorin, it turns out you were crazy after all. Or are you going to continue to blame the world's woes (earthquakes, wars, pandemics, starvation, draughts) on the Mormons and their cold hearted God? To know God is to understand that he does not follow the philosophies of man. He is bringing about HIS work in spite of man's agency.

@@cindywoodbury385 I don't blame anyone or any entity for the worlds woes. I blame Humans for being so taken in by their own fears and conscripted to their perceived destiny. Belief grounded in fear eventually victimizes others at the exclusion of morality and better judgment. Religions founded upon fear of the unknown or cast vitriol at non-believers is all based on conditional love (if you believe, we will love you). The only escape from fear based realities is to love unconditionally. To have compassion to your fellow Humans, to have empathy for the lowliest of peoples is to understand and know God. We choose to come to this world to experience fear. We are not sent here by God to judge us of our choices (which is grounded in fear based belief systems). God is Unconditional Love. This is how you can see what is of God and what is of Man. Man is conditional, God is unconditional. The Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood is a contract for men by men. God has nothing to do with it. Same with the Temple ordinances. These are contracts for men by men. God has nothing to do with these made up concepts. The cold hearted God I speak of comes from the mind and heart of a fear based society, bent on projecting their fear porn. The world is tightening up battle lines and the only way to overcome this end game is Love, not contractual or conditional love. Look up "Mass Formation Psychosis" for a framework of what is happening in the world and a primary key to the Mormon Mind. Christ said "Love thy Neighbor as thyself". Love is the Gospel of Christ. Religion is the Gospel of Man.

@@lorincapson7720 The "end game" you refer to is not too distant in the future, but your prediction that a little love here and there will turn things around. You could not be more wrong. So yes, please make your world a little better by showing kindness to someone in need. Do something honest, just because it's the right thing to do, but know this: the voices of prophets anciently and currently have all foretold the coming famines, earthquakes, wars and scourges that will be poured out upon the Earth's inhabitants. It's happening now, and will continue until the Son of Man will return to claim his rightful place as King of the earth. Let's compare notes in 3 years and you tell me if life on earth has gotten better or worse.

Don't believe all these lies and rumors include on this video, just for $$

@@talbertofdz I was a Mormon for 30 years. Don't believe everything the church tells you.. And realize that they'll never tell you the negatives, especially those about Joe Smith. Marrying a 14 year old and other men's wives, for example.

P.S. these are a few things I found online, but I am still uncertain if there were books or sources which referenced to things like 'glowing stones' available to Joseph Smith in the 1800s. 1. www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/576058/jewish/The-Shining-Stone-of-Noahs-Ark.htm 2.bookofmormonresearch.org/index/book_of_mormon_articles/my-servant-gazelam 3.publications.mi.byu.edu/pdf-control.php/publications/jbms/6/2/S00006-Glowing_Stones_in_Ancient_and_Medieval_Lore.html Again, thanks for your help!

There is no salvation for trolls.

Its strange but he presents mostly facts. CAn you show me some lies of him?

+Kim M. Clark, OD Jesus Himself could come down In a bright cloud and say Smith was a liar, and every Mormon would call Jesus the anti-Christ. Nothing you say, no evidence you link will burst their illusions, because they never look at what you present. They can't ,they are forbidden to look. I've been called Wagon Burner, Blanket Head, Ingun and Red Skin by Mormons in one breath and then they deny they are racists in the next.

Ain't it the wurst? All religions are trouble but this one is founded on pure bs. LDS folk are nice and should be left to do what they want but they have a lot of political muscle, which is too bad. As for Christianity, if you believe in it, the only Apostolic church I can trace without interruption/schism is the Greek/Russian Orthodox. First Rome, Second Constantinople, Third Moscow. The Catholics got derailed with all of their messes in the Middle Ages, but it seems that the Orthodox Christians have kept the faith - forget about the Protestants. I'm not a practicing member of any of them.

Boom.

In essence, the iPhone is like your own personal urim and thummim...

Wow! Never done that before

no, you probably won't. i'll give you my opinion if you like,i think that feeling we all got the first time we pushed a little kid down at school is the same feeling they call the holy ghost. what i'm trying to say is we all have a conscience a moral compass whatever you want to call it. some people live by using it and some people smash it

as far as we know Joseph Smith stopped using the rock after the printing of his Book of Mormon, but later in 1835 -42 he claimed to have translated the BoA with his own wits.

Rypaul5217 JS used a rock to look for gold when his bank was failing. Wilford Woodruff claims that JS used a rock to translate the BoA.

+Kent... honestly I cannot say if Wilford Woodruff was there while Smith was doing the translation of the BoA, perhaps he just assumed that Joseph used a rock..which could very well be possible. from what I know however there were only two scribes helping Smith with the BoA... W. W. Phelps and Oliver Cowdery were present and they never mentioned Smith using any sort of stone....and there is no mention of using a stone in the Kirtland papers themselves either. I also checked on LDS.org, about the translation of the Book of Abr. and there is no mention Smith using any rock during the process there too. I also checked to see if Fair.mormon mentions anything and they said Wilford's two brief mentions were rather second-hand information, and "speculation". they did not confirm it as being anything relevant, but put it out on the plate anyway. (as a weak testimony) so I have to dismiss Woodruff as mere hear say or just some embellishment. I read the quote myself and by its promoting like prose I find it rather vague at best, and it does sound like just some embellishments. "The Lord is blessing Joseph with power to reveal the mysteries of the kingdom of God; to translate through the Urim and Thummim ancient records and hieroglyphics old as Abraham or Adam which caused our hearts to burn within us while we behold their glorious truths opened unto us." W. Woodford but this has to be incorrect, because the U&T were taken away from Smith ever since Martin Harris lost the first 115 pages of the book of Mormon manuscript, the urim and thummim according to Joseph Smith were taken away by the messenger. and that was why Smith said he had to use his round brown seer rock instead, to finish the work. as far as Smith looking for Gold with his rock when his bank was failing, I never heard of that one. do you have the source?

Rypaul5217 JS had at least two seer stones. WW states that he saw JS's white stone. I do wonder if this white stone was used to translate the papyrus. If so, he should have ditched it for the dark one. JS "translated" the BoM far quicker than the papyrus. There were four scribes involved in the BoA project, including Warren Parrish. Parrish gave WW a tour of the BoA project showing him the mummies, papyrus, and KEP. Because he received his information first hand from Warren, who was there, it's safe to say that WW was as knowledgeable as anyone on the topic. As far as treasure hunting while in Kirtland, you're right I wasn't able to verify that JS used a stone to look for it "A brother in the church, by the name of Burgess, had come to Kirtland and stated that a large amount of money had been secreted in a cellar of a certain house in Salem, Massachusetts.... We saw the brother Burgess, but Don Carlos Smith told us with regard to the hidden treasure. His statement was credited by the brethren, and steps were taken to try and secure the treasure" It's quite possible that after his glass looking conviction that JS promised to never do it again as part of his plea deal.

+Kent Purdy "it's safe to say that WW was as knowledgeable as anyone on the topic." you have yet to prove this. And this appears just to be your own opinion. Respectfully speaking, I am not interested in your opinion, or in embellished hearsay from second hand posting, I am only interested in verifiable facts. "WW states that he saw JS's white stone." I have no doubt that WW said lots of things during his life time... this is not necessary to bring to the table because...seeing someone with a white stone proves nothing about which stone or when he saw such a stone, has any relationship to the BofA issue. for instance, I can point to a Japanese samurai sword all day long but that doesn't mean that King Author's Excalibur story about a sword in the stone is authentic. The two objects of our investigation are completely unrelated to each other. yet there is no doubt some similarity about swords in general. yeah I already know that Smith used a brown and white stone, these were hardly the urim and thummim though, if this is what you were implying but whether or not he had a couple of stones in his pocket. is not the issue here, but rather if he used rocks in the translation of his book of Abraham literature. but I can see why the Mormons need J Smith to be using such stones, because they want to imply a more spiritual process instead of a literal translation of the papyri. So far the use of any rock by Smith is simply missing from the words of those scribes in the Kirtland journal or anywhere else ...with only WW as your primary source? very thin ice at best I would think, since we know that Joseph Smith claimed that the messenger took the U&T interpreters from him when Harris lost the first 115 pages of his storybook novel. I therefore have to dismiss WW word for it against Joseph's. "As far as treasure hunting while in Kirtland, you're right I wasn't able to verify that JS used a stone..." Thank You.

The CIA also paid 20 Million for remote viewing programs. Technically some could see into the past or future so you could say they were seers. Ya it was shut down but ya can’t deny the results like finding a downed airplane in africa by a woman sitting in California. And the whole academic quantum entanglement thing how different particles can be like conscious and the light slits or was it electrons moving. They moved differently when observed. The act of observing influenced reality. Maybe seeing the past or future isn’t absurd if science is saying particles can be conscious and entangled and we basically know nothing as a species.

The comments were 666 and then I commented haha

He’s right that some people are frauds. If you get paid for sure be skeptical. But there’s modern day examples of dowers finding things. Louis matacia from Texas, now in a retirement home, he was hired by the military and taught tons of people to dowse. It’s one thing to scam people to find treasure, but if a soldier finds a tunnel or bomb the results should make some think hmm there are results. Can’t explain them is no reason to say it’s pseudo science. Scientists can’t explain quantum entanglement or experiments looking at particles that seem to be conscious as they change behavior when observed. There’s tons of pseudo science with results but only some are considered mainstream. But from a logical perspective WTF wouldn’t people base payment on commission? Like a lot of modern day dowsers may charge an hourly fee or whatever to map dowse but then they’ll go out into the field with the customer and find oil or whatever and may get a royalty or percentage. Doing percentages of the find is way more rational. It’s what lawyers do. A lot of lawyers drum up a ton of business and those cases that win they get a percentage.

That’s interesting he used stakes in the ground around the treasure spot. Do you have a source for this? I’ve seen modern day treasure hunters say they use stakes in the ground. Some use some radiation techniques or something with uranium and the use satellites. Maybe it’s all fake, but the technique is used today.

I’ll be praying to my magic stone for you.

In addition to the plates, why send spectacles along if they are never used for the BoM? JS was already experienced scrying on his seer stone. The whole story is messed up.

If you were to actually read the Book of Mormon you would know the answers to your question but all you do is seek validation for you own religious beliefs for fear of being wrong. Maybe if your religion didn't teach you that either your pre chosen or not to go to Hell you wouldn't be questioning mine. We are saved by Grace and by Grace alone. You can live a life where you show faith or you show your works or faith through works it wouldn't matter if you didn't have Grace. May God bless you.

That's my question, how is this even still a church

I was born into it, it was hard to see through the crap. I wonder how anyone can convert to it.

ROMANS 10:8-11 THIS IS WHAT THE APOSTLES PREACHED,,,,THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IS JESUS,,,HE IS KNOCKING IN THE HEARTS OF EVERY HUMAN BEING ,,,,HE LOVE EVERYONE HE LOVES YOU HE DIED FOR YOU IN THE CROSS SHADES HIS BLOOD FOR AND FOR ME ,,,

The fulness of the Gospel is faith in Christ and receiving him as well as having the gifts of the Holy Ghost, miracles, prophecies and revelations. Historically anyone or any group of people can receive that, an institution is not needed for that, even in the BOM there are times when people had the fulness without any organizes church in existence. The LDS church does not own a franchise on the Holy Ghost or the fulness of the Gospel.

Joseph Smith revealed great truths. The LDS Church misrepresents what he taught. He actually taught that the church and the kingdom of God were not the same thing, and that God’s kingdom on earth would be made up of people of all religious backgrounds, and some even of no religious background. See the Minutes of the Council of Fifty.

He was inspired by jinn. It’s sihr to use divination

Brenda Habedank really strange how people like u are not ashamed to leave your face on such a ridiculously stupid comment. This religion is extrmley sacred to many people, would you like somone to post somthing so childish and stupid about your most sacred beliefs? Stick to living your religion, if you actually have one that is more than putting down others religions

@@cynthiamarble8384 Nah, it's a petrified laminite penis. 🤣

Funny you should say that. It’s not poop, but geologists believe it was a dinosaur’s gizzard stone. Look it up, it’s pretty fascinating.

@@cynthiamarble8384 I have no religion and would delight in discovering that ole "fuck little girls "Joe was fondling fossilized dookie. I have a rather extensive collection of dino doodoo myself

@@cynthiamarble8384Marble so was the worship of Capitoline Zeus.