Journeymen boxers: the men who fight to lose 

Journeymen won't get you the Title, and there are a lot of Gatekeepers between you and the Title

They would call you Paul spadafora in the US

Seems like Wilder is gonna do that before you.

Why do I think of wilder when I hear journey man

TimelineProvision TP because he is one 😂

why do you think people didnt know?

Osbre cos there’s a documentary trying to educate people on it 🤨also this comment section

I've only just found out ! I though I knew alot about boxing to.. I study boxing alot... this one beat me .

@Man Dendon boxing won't ever die it's too big to fail. In terms viewership the only other sporting events that surpass boxing are of global scale attendance. In order of viewership: the summer games, the winter games and the Tour de France. I've shifted to watching more mma than boxing over the years and I love it and even practice but there's no denying boxing is miles ahead in popularity.

@@SuperAguaUFC has made boxing completely irrelevant 😂

Wouldnt sell

Very true but it's a shame though Cause majority would come to win!

@@arvmittoo11 yeah but all pro fighters 'come to win' so it wouldn't be any different.

@@BlacksmithBets journeymen dont come to win hence this documentary

Dennis S I love that I know which boxer you’re talking about and it’s about time he fought a real opponent and he lost 😂

Probably 10-15 fights are just journeyman.

We all know who he's talking about lol. (Even though the record has recently changed). What's understood doesn't have to be explained. 🤣🤣🤣

Wilder

They'd get food either way

That only goes so far that’s why you don’t see as many unified champions, if you try to hold the unified belt every time you turn around each organization will demand that you fight the number one contender so you would have to consistently fight the person most likely to beat you, so what they do is just vacate a belt or 2 and fight the number one contender of a different organization… or they’ll leave and vindicate whatever belt they have, and they’ll go get a belt from a different organization to avoid a fight, BUT, they can’t just hold onto their belt without fighting the number one contender like people think they can

hahaha

You get paid 1.2k a month?

You could do a part time job as well in between fights

D1 1.2k a month doesn't sound all that bad idk what you're complaining about lol

permanent brain damage for 1200 a month😂

@Shlomo Golnenbaum Shekelberg This comment made my day and it wasnt even towards me.. Keep being you, you fantastic human being👊

i love you cause the guys comment above me is positive.

Click bait😂😂😂

Had a car crash

Technically, it isn't.

To become a pro boxer at least in the states is really easy. All you have to do is pay a fee and get signed off by medical professionals. I don’t think there’s any record requirement. What an amateur record gets you is a chance for being signed for a promotion

@lowestcommonDenomanator In my state I think they require at least 4 amature fights but yes it's very easy to go pro. I watch a pro debut and he fought a journeyman it was a 20 second ko

@@VegasVenturesNWA Yeah as long as you have decent defense and a good chin i think being a journeyman is a very solid gig. Look up Lewis Van Poetsch, he has over 150 losses and has only had one stoppage, being the paper cup to be crushed by the upcoming prospects is his whole thing.

Yeah those and title eliminators

U can bet on pretty much anything nowadays..

Sure at 200 to 1

Odds makers know that dud it's their jobe, you'd have to bet your car to win 1 dollar

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More danger? No just better fights

You are talking about gatekeepers, journeyman are no qualifiers.

Got into a big car accident, not his fault

Him and his dad are the biggest wierdos i ever met in boxing

Dang it, i wanted to say that

whats wrong with it is its deceitful to the audience. hhahaha

lowlowseesee no it isn’t. These guys aren’t taking dives. Promoters hire them to make the opposite side look good. The journeymen are there to win, but they simply can’t because they aren’t on the same level.

They are professional boxers. To them it is a job.

@@kevinarzola4781 did you just not watch the video or did you not comprehend it? They are absolutely losing on purpose. That was the whole point of the video.

To start with, it’s illegal

Yes

Youd be surprised of how little knockouts they have. Look at Kristian Laight. 300 fights 279 loses. Only 5 KO’s and some of those were bad stoppages by the ref

@@feorgenotgloyd7624 That itself shows they have mad skill and probably more than capable to win against his opponents. But he is paid to go easy

@@crux33 for sure.

+TheLastFraudster I used to think mma was more unpredictable than boxing but the gap is a lot closer if for the first 20 fights most pro's wernt looked after

Mark O I disagree. The best fighters fight average fighters they can't lose to the majority of the time. In MMA, they are matched up very competitively most of the time, plus there's so many more ways to win it naturally makes the sport far more unpredictable. No doubt with more and more money going into MMA now though it'll soon become as much of a joke as boxing is.

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There are some famous and great journeyman. Guys who come to mind are Emmanuel Augustus, James J Braddock, and Darnell Boone.

Flowenol Cinur Butterbean was pretty good aswell

@@redundantfridge9764 Augustus WAS NOT a journyman wtf, guy always fought his heart out but judges just didn't like the guy. Mayweather said he was the toughest he faced and (id say) has a convincing win against ward. Guy was actually a world champion at one point

Ever heard of Bob Sapp?

It's exactly the same. I am one

These guys are not true journeyman fighters, they may have journeyman expierience, skills or abilities but they don't do justice to the proud title of a true journeyman boxer. Basically they're in there as a paid tomato can and want to fight as safe, often and long (career longevity I mean)... Tomishek (guy who fought Tommy Morrison), monte barrett, Mickey ward (kind of at the end of his career), david Allen... these were at some point or currently are, journeymen Where are these guys in mma??? They're EVERYWHERE! The "badass" who won the smoker down the street, had an affliction shirt and scary tattoos.... his record isn't actually 12-3. Its probably closer to 16 and 30. There's so many different organizations and "leagues" for professional MMA it's hard to track all the fighters. Also, MMA events on PPV or primetime are just like boxing in who they feature. Top 15% or elite guys fighting for a strap, eliminators for a shot at a strap, the occasional potential next big thing against a true veteran/ journeyman and former or next in line champs getting a paid tune up getting fed the occasional 1 fight contract new guy with a souped up record from UBF (ultimate bar fights) with a pro mma record of 19-3 making his UFC debut (and farewell until we need another stand in).

Sam Hansen Micky was at least world champ

Modern day roy nelson?

This entire video is the answer to that question

​@@Pypicalthank u🎉

oh come on. how is that heartbreaking? far worse things in the world

@@frankj2879 I know man but most of these people probably picked up boxing dreaming of glory and wealth only to give up and settle for almost nothing which is in my opinion the picture of defeat.

@@dincaalexandru2831I get what u are say. but as a fighter myself (5 amateur Muay Thai. lost 2, won 2 and drew 1) I honestly don't see become a journeyman to be a great failure. as long as I can make money from this sport I love instead of having to sit at a desk from 9 - 5 I'll be a winner

@@frankj2879 i guess you are right too ...never thought about it this way

@@frankj2879 I wouldn’t care if they were guys that just lost a lot because they sucked… every fighter should be required to be trying to win the fight

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