Joystick Gremlin - Quick Start Guide 

You sir are an absolute Chad and legend amongst men. This tutorial was just what I needed to get my setup working in Star Citizen. I have literally built not only a gyro copter but other ultralight vehicles IRL and found that to be easier than staring at vjoy and gremlin on my screen before watching this video. Thank you so much.

Since a long time I hesitate to do this because naturally it's almost working. I think this quality tutorial might be what I need to jump in :) Thanks, really clear and great job !

I have been trying to figure out how to configure joystick curves for a couple of days and this video was the one that finally got me there. Thank you!

What a great tutorial, after fiddling w/ joystick gremlin recently and not getting all devices to work, you provided the solution I was looking for. And using another piece of software to hide the devices from the game is brilliant, this way they don't interfere. 👍👍👍

I must say, this tutorial on how to set up Joystick Gremlin was truly delightful. The level of detail and the clear and concise manner in which the instructions were presented made the process seem like a walk in the park. The visual aids were a cherry on top, making the procedure not only simple but also aesthetically pleasing. I am in awe of the effort that must have gone into creating this masterpiece of a video, and I am deeply grateful for the knowledge imparted. Thank you for sharing such valuable information!

Loving this series of videos, very helpful. Nice job!

After looking over several guide, this is the one that made it all work. Thank you for this.

I've currently got my Velocity One Flight Yoke to work on Star Citizen following this tutorial. You sir have earned my subscribe!

Perfect introduction to Joystick configuration… and thanks for the trick with hidhide, i struggle hard with input repeater before I found your video !

You're a hero. Now I can play Il-2 1946 at last. I could use this method as HidHide now allows you to check a checkbox which allows you to invert the logic that hides the devices, meaning I input the 1946 executable which hides it from 1946 and allows all other programs to see the devices.

Thanks for making this video, I have referenced it a dozen times over the last couple years!!

This was a great and simple to follow tutorial, thank you so much for making it!

Amazing man. Thank you and all the people who created this. People are amazing. I could not figure this out on my own.

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Really like your video to be helpful and at the same time wonder the means and ends humans can reach to get what feels right, thankyou for your and everyone involved in these programs intuitiveness.

Bought a Logitech Extreme 3d Pro Joystick at a thrift shop but its basically new, installed drivers, checked for errors, all good. Your tutorials have helped me program the joystick for: 1- streaming as macropad 2- aerogpx and racing games 3- navigating 3d environment when working on blender and CAD Thank You so MUUUch

Thank you for this video, I keep coming back to it as a reference when configuring my devices. This saved me when the horrible Thrustmaster software refused to work!

Great vid. Came in handy for getting my G920 wheel working in Star Citizen

YOU ARE DOING THE LORD'S WORK CMDR! May the force be with you.

Thank you for making the tutorial! Saved me so so much time

Thank you so much for this video, it really helped me to set up a Thrustmaster T16000 Joystick and Throttle to play Star Wars Legends in 2023. One small thing, at least for SWG, you don't need the Hidhide. On Windows 11 you can just search for “game controller” and select “advanced”. Check the vjoy as the preferred device, same on the game preferences. Also configuring buttons to do macros, or typing something on the keyboard/mouse only works on the Windows (e.g. notepad) itself. On the game, it's not working, most probably because of incompatibilities in the game (SWG Legends).

THIS IS AWESOME. Thank you so much. Solved so many of my issues!!!

You're a legend man. This is so simple now!

Oh man, you are a God send... Thank you... THANK YOU!!! So much! Finally, I can use my simpit! I've been struggling for years (yes, years!) trying to make my set up work and now, it does!

Thank you so much. This was very informative and fixed my issua with Star Citizen not detecting my z rotation.

Excellent video. Thanks a ton!

Thanks for an awesome tutorial !

Great Gremlin Videos, works pefect - thank you 👍

Thanks for this! I decided to finally set this all up. Been thinking about it since getting some pedals and noticing issues with toe breaks for forward/back strafing fighting each other but the final push was trying to use Teal's Joystick Visualizer and realizing I didn't want two separate axis being shown. I got everything setup and activated. Looks good in joystick gremlin and same in Windows Game Controller Properties. Only to see in Teal's Joystick Visualizer that it doesn't see input on any of the axis. Buttons showing up fine. Figured shutting down the pc and making sure Gremlin was launched before chrome would help but no dice. Will keep working on it but at least I don't have to worry about sorting devices in Star Citizen anymore.

Very nice tutorial! I wish there was an extra 30 seconds on merging toe pedals to use them as forward/back. I'm sure I can figure it out eventually.

Thank you for this guide!

Thanks so much. This vid helped me a lot!

Ok, I have had this for a very long time. Now this is the first time I find a video for it (via XWAU)! So now I can have more controls in say Elite Dangerous, this is very very good imo, since many buttons are for the keyboard.. However, mine never asks to restart the computer. Never did that even before. I wanted to use it back then to control ships in ED (PS4 version), but it never worked good with CrossMaxPlus - latency issues. So I got ED for PC aswell. But at that point I was already tripple elite. Now I want to play XwinAlliance, but with both throttle and stick, and thanks to this - it is now possible!!

thank you so much, this is really useful content !

Bruva,ive been fighting with this S__t for around 5 yrs now. Your Tutorial was 'sent from the Heavens'. God Bless RedLir & a Massive Thank You😜

Great stuff, thanks

Thank you sir, much appreciated!

I could finally get rid of Thrustmaster TARGET, which i couldn't make work for T16k Duo, and make them properly work as one so I can play Outer Wilds, Everspace with a duo setup. Thanks a lot man!!

WEEOO! Great tutorial! i've been usting Vjoy & Joystick gremlin for a while now and found it quite simple to use. Would love to see a more advanced video explaining how to add shift key to asign a diffrent mapping when another button is pressed or mode changer!

My god thank you I was so frustrated because I wanted to play Freespace 2 open but it only allows up to 6 axis total and only works with 1 stick or throttle total I tried everything for 2 days now and this saved me.

Great tutorial!

incredible video!

Cheers from Down Under. RedB 😊

This is the best tutorial I have seen on Joystick Gremlin. One question though, can you configure HIDHide to allow certain games to see the physical joysticks and not others? My use case is that I need to use JG on IL-2, but not on DCS.

Good morning.Thank you very much and congratulations.I was able to install all apps on Windows 11 without any problems. The strange thing is that Vjoy didn't ask to restart the computer and created the virtual joystick without any problems. Tried to use Joystick Gremlin in Squad game. Tried for hours, everything was correct. The virtual joystick HidHide hid the physical joystick and Gremlin configured it but the game was able to see the physical one.

very helpful, thank you

Very nice tutorial!! WEEOO!

Awesome video. Stumbled on to your channel to solve a typical Star Citizen problem you are well aware of lol. 2 sticks and a throttle please .. Well I know what I'm going to be doing for a while . Thanks again see ya in the verse . o7

Thank you! Why didn't I find this video years ago... I've owned a full Virpil suite of controllers for about 2 years and tried setting it all up with Joystick Gremlin at the time of purchase, but failed miserably. This just made the whole project entirely approachable.

Thank you!

Thank you for the very concise and informative video. I've been using JG but suddenly in last few days it no longer "see" my X52 Pro. Any advice very much appreciated?

Really useful video. Many thanks. Unfortunately, no success getting Snowrunner to see the virtual device that is the combination of my Moza wheel base and USB pedals. The struggle continues!

Great video, however I have a couple of questions. With two sticks (or a HOTAS) do I end up with two separate profiles, or is the profile I save in Joystick Gremlin a single one of the combined sticks? Also since Im hiding stuff in HID HIde do I need to assign every single button that I want the game to see? I tried adding curves to axes, then loaded Elite Dangerous and it didnt recognise my Jostick at all in the Keybinds dropdown list in ship controls. And it didnt mention Vjoy either sp nothing worked

How does one get the window on the right hand side in the "Basic Example" section?

I seem to be doing something wrong. My cyclic control assigns pitch to a particular vJoy axis, and at the same time, my pedals also assigns anti-torque to the same vJoy axis. How do I resolve that? I've also tried/failed using 1:1 mapping.

Great video. My mapping needs are very simple. I'm flying helicopters and just need pedals, one device for the collective, and a 3rd for cyclic (pitch and roll). In the video the physical X axis was bound to a virtual X rotation, same for Physical Y axis. I suppose the reason it hasn't worked for me is because I bound the Physical X axis, with the virtual X axis (as opposed to X Rotation). Could that be the source of my issue?

You should be on the front of Time magazine... Life saver!

Great video. But what I would like to do is to activate a button with a double tap and keep it active while I'm holding it (like tapping twice and holding a button to activate it and keep it active). Do you know how to do this? Thank you very much

great infos and i will safe this video for later but do you know if this adds any delay on any input?

You go through this really well. Does joystick gremlin emulate controllers when needed, or is that not needed since the virtual joystick gets seen by Steam and you have to map it there all over again? I've been using x360ce and UCR for emulating controllers for games that don't see the joystick, like no man's sky, or when Steam can't see the joystick either like with the Thrustmaster t.16000M. The bonus with x360ce is that it can pass vibration back through to my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2, which is epic but slowly failing.

Hey man nice tutorial. I have a lot of devices in my sim racing rig and could have a use for merging into a vjoy. Big question: Is there a way to get a physical button press &/or hold mapped to a vjoy button as a press and release, and then register the release of The physical button as yet another press and release in vjoy? I have a turn signal lever that holds the button pressed when activated, but the game wants the button to be pressed once to activate and once more to deactivate

Incredible tutor you are!, on such a complex matter ! Thanks for a helpful and great video. I will use this in my msfs2020 endevours and escapades! :) Q: Is there any way to make use of a second keyboard to become a "Virtual Buttonbox" I need lots of buttons in my flightsimulator! :) Once Again, Thanks, David, Sweden.

What do I do with my Z axis? i tried to bind them to z rotation on the virtual stick but they never respond or change in the input viewer

Is there a particular reason that you bound the x and y axis to the rotation axis? Was that just as an example or does it have to do with having limited axis when only using one virtual joystick? In any case, thanks for this tutorial. I would be floundering trying to figure this all out on my own

@redLir_Live quick question. will possible to use one set of joysticks for two PCs using a switch and joystick gremlin? the goal will be to have two active Starcitizen accounts and use only one set of joysticks. with switch, i can jump between accounts using the same joysticks will this be possible with gremlin?

would this work for a g x56 hotas on Bf4 which only recognise 1 controller at a time?

You said that you should change the button number 3 & 4 to 3 & 64 on the vJoy, but I only have 8 buttons to choose from. What am I doing wrong?

Is there any way to assign the DualShock4 gyroscope to vJoy axis?

Did i miss the modifier key instructions? how do i make button 5+6 = 64

Czy jest możliwość uzyskania w tym programie efektu force feedback? Bardzo proszę o pomoc

Brilliant video! Thanks. Quick question - I made a vjoy profile and it recognizes all my bindings. However, in-game (I play DCS), the vjoy category is listed but it doesn't register any input. I've used Hid-Hide and done pretty much everything I can think of. Any advice for why the inputs are not registering in-game although it shows the vjoy device listed??

Nice video. Is there a specific example of why someone would want to use hidhide? With my game, I select the game controller that I want to use from the list given.

This is well done thank you . I have a very strange device missing the z axis can that be added somehow

I need some help. I'm using a dual virpal constellation with pedals setup and I'm trying something different. World of Warcraft. So far I've got basic camera command and action bar mapping figured out. I'm trying to put movement controls WASD on the left thumbstick but I can't figure it out I can get forward to work but I can't figure out how to get backwards and left and right. I could bind them to a hat I suppose and solve it that way but it seems like the stick is the better option.

Great tutorial! I recently started playing Star Citizen. I have the T1600 Thrust Master, G29 Wheel, Pedals, Shifter and the Saitek Side Panel (also known as Logitech Heavy Equipment Side Panel). Yes, I came from playing Farming Simulator. All my equipment except the side panel worked directly with SC. Was really surprised the G29 equipment worked. Love using the shifter for thrust control, works really great without ever needing to use the cruise control. Anyway, I followed your tutorial and only setup the Side Panel with Gremlin. The rest of the equipment I didn't include since it already worked fine with SC. Gremlin works perfect for getting the side panel to work with SC. I am able to now use all the equipment together with no issues. One question: is there anyway to invert the access inputs inside of Gremlin? I use the side panel joystick for strafing thrust (up, down, left, right, forward and back) Works really well except two of the axis work in the opposite direction I want them to work (Y and Z).

How can I create one vjoy device with more then 8 axes? I find I use 11 in star citizen between my two alphas and a rudder pedal. I've seen people using two vjoy devices, but I don't understand why I would do this as opposed to just keep using my non virtual joysticks

WEEOO!

Whenever I start joystick gremlin I get an Uncaught Exception dialogue box, with a list of errors in different numbered lines, does anyone have any ideas why? Thanks v. much in advance for any responses.

someone maybe know how to bind gamepad controls to keyboard and to be able to map multiple keyboard keys to one key? similar what xpadder does, but not keyboard to gamepad

How did you get the Notepad to appear? Thanks. RedB

Thanks so much for this! I've got all of my axis working but am struggling with the buttons. I mapped F12 to re-center Track IR to a button on my HOTAS, but it only works when the Joystick Gremlin window is selected. Any suggestions? (BTW, I tried other keys with the same result and when I press F12 on the keyboard, it re-centers just fine. Also, the input viewer shows that the button is being pressed.) If using Hidhide, how come I don't have to remap the buttons pressed to vJoy (or do I and I missed something)? I just mapped them to the actual controller (VPC HOTAS and throttle).

What are the POVs in vjoy setup? Why do we need 4?

What about making a game see one joystick as multiple devices? I've run into weirdness involving IL-2 only seeing 32 buttons and since I hsve way more on my stick (vkbnxt with 2 modules) the control cannot be used IL2 actually sees a button as a hat input for some reason.. at anyrate the suggestion involves making it appear as 2 devices but I've not discovered a way to do that .

Turtle Beach flight hangar was too obnoxious to get whitelisted inside of HidHIde--because it's a Microsoft Store app and I don't want to modify the permissions on my Program Files\Windows Apps directory--so I used the Inverse Cloak in HidHide (instead of whitelisting specific apps, apps have access by default, then I specifically excluded Squad from using everything) Using vJoy as described here with Universal Control Mapper has worked for me so far in testing--believe that's the newer version of Joystick Gremlin. Also going to use Track IR with Squad via FreePIE as described on some Reddit post.

this is specifically if the game already has axis but how do you map the axis to a key stroke i was able to map the key and apply a condition but the scale is too little and nothing explains simply how i can change either the scale or map the corresponding keys to the axis

So I'm setting up some warbirds and alphas, but in gremlin the hats show as individual buttons instead of hats. Is that normal?

is hid hide absolutely necessary? cuz when i go to add gremlin i cant find the exe file, but when opening folders normally i can.. but i cant drag it to the hide opened folders. Edit: nevermind, after restarting hidhide a few times it eventually worked

Do they ever make updates to Gremlin or Vjoy? Seems like last update was from 2019. Are they dead utilities?

hidhide not detecting my 16000s, otherwise this would be perfect, keep up the good work

I thought if I could uninstall my Hotas 4 driver as a solution. Would it work?

welp, after doing this for setting bindings from keyboard, everything was working fine, but now star citizen cant see my stick and now my joystickgremlin doesnt see any inputs either after i tried to disable everything i did to get it to work on SC

Hello, I don't have a joystick, I want to play with 2 players, one with some keys on the keyboard and the other with a virtual joystick that uses some keys on the same keyboard. it is understood?. It's crazy, but if anyone knows the technique or program, please tell me.

Love your tutorial. Is there a way to use Grimlen to Bind keyboard commands WSAD to X&Y-Axis and have Z-Axis bound to Q&E?. I just got the VIRPIL Constellation Alpha and am trying to get it bound like I just mentioned. I had this kind of binding on my Thrustmaster T1600M using Joy2Key v6.6 but with the VIRPIL i cant seem to use Joy2Key at all......is it even possible to bind the different directions of X,Y to keyboard keys WSAD with VIRPIL? Thanx.

Is there a max number of joystick buttons/axes using VJoy/HIDHide? Could I change the number of VJoy buttons to the max number of buttons/axes on all devices and then use a "1:1 mapping"? EDIT: looks like the max number of buttons is 128 now as of SC update 3.11

Great video, @RedLir Live. Following your steps I got Joystick Gremlin to intercept and manage my Virpil joysticks, rudder, & throttle actions. Very nice. Thank you. Sadly, Star Citizen (v3.17.1) does not recognize my virtual vJoy device when my devices are hidden by HidHide; however, it will recognize a device if I decloak it in HidHide. Which defeats the wonderful bit of indirection provided by the vJoy-HidHide-Joystick Gremlin suite. Furthermore, my joystick response time falls into a well. Uninstalling HidHide fixed that but I would like to get the device suite and Star Citizen playing in the same sandbox. Any suggestions?

Hey, that is a real good video. It helped me understand the Basics. I sadly have the problem, that if I use HidHide to hide my T16000Ms, that Gremlin also can't see them. I couldn't find anything that could help me. Would you make a Video or a post that shows how to do that with Thrustmaster stuff? I am new to all this and I am trying to set this up for 2 days. A comment would also be enough.

I had the issue where when I came to setting up the vjoy application the ‘add device’ was greyed out i could only change the settings u provided later and apply them but when I later wanted to launch gremlin I got the error message vjoy was not setup properly(followed your instructions to the letter)…after some long headaches what fixed it was launch vjoy click on device tab 2 on top > add device > click back on device tab 1 >delete device > then finally add device with your settings (also delete device tab 2 afterwards) and everything worked flawlessly after . Hope I’m the only case if not maybe it might be useful for someone else 😅

Question. Can I do this without using Vjoy? I just want to use gremlin...

Hi! I have created 4 vjoy devices and assigned them to my controllers in this order: 1. VPC Constellation ALPHA Right; 2. VPC Panel #2; 3. VPC Rudder ACE; 4. VPC M50CM3 Throttle. I've checked and crosschecked, and they're bound in this order, and yet Star Citizen sees my rudder as joystick 2 and my Panel #2 as joystick 3. When I bound these keybinds to Star Citizen, it recognized the panel #2 as joy 2, but 2 days later (today), it has swapped 2 for 3. When I'm assigning my devices to SC, It comes in this order: vjoy1; vjoy3; vjoy2; vjoy4. I assigned them first in a 1, 2, 3, 4 order, no joy. Then I assigned them exactly as listed: 1, 3, 2, 4, still no joy. I've even disconnected the devices and plugged them in in said order, still no joy. What am I missing? Thanks a lot.

Hello i got a problem where steam wouldn´t always recognise my virtual joystick any idea why? It only happens when i close the game and restart my pc.