MOVE MASTER - Its Finally Here! 

reminds me of Gundam controls from 08th MS Squad.

I can't thank you enough for being involved in a peripheral like this. I don't think you understand how much I value your feedback. Your objective view and goals make receiving the information easy and leave me feeling comfortable making my own decision. Never feeling swayed or manipulated to like a product.

It might be a good idea to add a desk clamp accessory to let it hang off the edge of the desk at an adjustable lower point, to help those sensitive to strain with the raised wrist/fingers position. Or iterate on slimming it down so that the inner components are positioned behind the unit and the hand height can be reduced at the cost of slightly larger desk footprint.

I linked this to a friend of mine who has cerebral palsy and games with one hand. Thank you for making this vid!

The only two things I wish are that it used QMK rather than this custom rebind thing (incredible support for making your own mod keys, etc.) and had a detachable cable. The cable not being detachable = it'll break eventually.

Personally I love strange peripherals - its a hobby for me, and I've even built a few myself for fun - but I can see a few things with this thing that are pretty big problems, just by looking at the design. First the number of keys is just too low by default. Its pretty typical for a game to have 15 keys bound on the left hand (qwer, asdf, zxcb, shift, ctrl, tab) and not unheard of to have 20 or more (12345), the default move master looks to have 14, which is just under what I would consider to be bare minimum. At $170 USD I expect the number of buttons to never be an issue. Layers are a fine work-around for buttons, provided you have enough to start with, but I wouldn't consider a layer key an acceptable solution with fewer than 16 buttons. You need to have your fast, necessary buttons covered before you can think about adding a set of slower 2 button combos. It may be fine to have something like the map on a button combo, but grenade, all weapon swaps, reload, etc, all need to be pressed with reactionary timing. The thing looks ergonomic at first which is great, but the palm rest actively encourages bad seat height by encouraging the user to sit lower that their desk surface and have their arms coming up at it, all well and good for the move master, but the mouse hand would suffer the price here. Finally, why on earth would you force an integrated usb cable in the days of USB C? Price indicates this is trying to be a premium device, many people who are already used to paying a premium for desk hardware have very nice custom USB cables for their keyboards. All this does is deny them the opportunity to further accessorize.

I've been using the Razer version of the "gaming keypads" for years. This is very interesting to me. I was hoping to see more competition in this space.

I have to admit, I'm VERY intrigued! Of course, I was a huge fan of the old "Merc Stealth" keyboards; I honestly miss them.

Thank you for this feedback. Maybe, one day, there will be a new version with the possibility of rotation. It would be more adapted for space games, I think.

This looks really cool and I will hopefully be buying one soon! Thanks for bringing my attention to this device.

Looks interesting, I have a few suggestions: add an analogue minitick, a couple rotaries (1 horizontal and one vertical) as well as a few 4 way hats (give you more button presses in same switch), this way it would fill both as a throttle and a 6 DOF controller.

Fascinating! Very much look forward to seeing where this goes.

I will be keeping my eye on this. Gotta get more people to test and review it :)

That permanently attached cable is a showstopper for me.

This is definitely something I want to keep an eye on. I've used multiple versions of the Azeron for several years now and for the types of games I play, it's been a game changer. Seeing this MoveMaster on first glance, I like the concept of how they're integrating the WSAD movements, but I'm wondering how well it can compete with the advantages an analog sticks provides for granular control --- which the Azeron uses. I've also come to realize to effectively utilize the Azeron in place of a WASD keyboard, I typically need to bind 15+ core abilities in order to truly be hands-off the keyboard. This means to do that on the MoveMaster I'm going to have to buy their separate module (more cost) and without holding it yet, in my opinion looks much more clunky/rigid than the Azeron. The extra buttons the Azeron has on its towers that overhang your fingers require very little upward flicking of the fingers versus and outward and forward press. Lastly, I could be 100% wrong, but comparing a curved hand rest coupled with infinite fine-tuning adjustments that Azeron Cyborg offers to the more fixed positioning of the MoveMaster looks a lot less comfortable. I know there are some adjustments the MoveMaster has in its buttons, but it appears determining how far spread out your fingers are or accommodating for smaller/wider hands may not be as flexible. In my case, I have fingers that go crooked from athletic injuries and having the ability to tailor a comfortable resting spot is much more comfortable than trying to hold my hand within a more fixed position. However, I love new products and outside-the-box thinking and this will definitely be a product I'm going to keep my eye on once I get a better feel for price and look to pick one up.

FINALLY! I've been dying for more left hand keyboards. Imo they're far more comfortable than a keyboard. We need more options in this department. very excited to try these.

Tip: The thumb button on the top stick, should be a 3-way toggle. That way, you can tripple the amount of buttons on the device. I do this on my Thrustmaster Warthog throttle.

Awesome! I am one of those wierdos that could never get the hang of WASD, and eventually settled on a combination of xbox controller and mouse. This sort of peripheral is exactly what I need.

I've been looking for something like this for years. Almost to the point of designing one myself. I've ordered one immediately. We'll see how much I like it.

Oh neat! Someone updated the old microsoft RTS strategic commander also called the sidewinder. I loved that peripheral

OMG. As someone that needs something like a Orbweaver, I have been dreaming of something like this.

mouse with extra keys will be a good addition to go along with the move master. mouse's are usually designed with the very idea you only need a few buttons exactly because there is also a keyboards that go along with them. the move master is a great idea i think and if more widely adopted can allow for some games to emergy that normally could not. i've always wanted something like it.

Imagine using this thing for MOBA games, tilt for camera movement and all other buttons for spells and items, SICK!!!

*edit - got in touch, via their support page, UK delivery is on the cards, it requires paperwork, and is in the process of being dealt with *original - i like very much the look of this.. the ergonomics, and functionality would make it an immediate purchase for me.. but it seems the uk is on their naughty list, so im all lucked out lol.

100% will be getting one of these to try out. Looks great especially once we can get the secondary module too. I'm hoping that wood top will be available because it looks sick

02:56 is the only time in this video where your hand placement looks somehow correct. In all the other clips your left side of the hand is so far back, that your little finger definetly does not reach the lower button - maybe not even the upper one.🧐

It takes some time, but I can tell you: it's worth it. After a few days you realize how ridiculous the keyboard actually is. You just didn't realize it because there was nothing better. This thing has been meticulously developed by gamers and the quality is world class. I put the keyboard aside a long time ago. And I've been playing with the keyboard for 20 years.. and I can say: i was not bad with it.

220 dollars is a bit steep for a peripheral that only simulates WASD and 10 buttons. Glad you got two of them for free.

Looks COOL , will defiantly get one been looking for a replacement for a g13

Been using mine for years and its a fantastic produckt. It's especially good for those with odd simpits where a keyboard takes upp too much space

Your office is my dream setup. Wow. You’re an inspiration. Love the brick wall especially. Subscribed* gg’s.

This is brilliant! Been looking for a replacement for the trusty Nostromo/Logitech G13. What was missing from current gen versions is the joystick for movement, which this replaces in a way more elegant watch with the joystick built into the palmrest basically. Love it! Ordering asap!!

The ONLY thing I was curious about, was how it would handle the one negative you mentioned. Thank you! It's very specific and it matters ALOT.

this is HELLA CLEAN! always enjoy seeing engineers execute ideas

Your gaming set up is hella intimidating, I now have a strong desire to figure out how to turn my racing sim into my full gaming desk

This looks promising. I have been using a razer gamepad over a keyboard for over a decade. While this solves multiple shortcomings of using a keyboard my middle finger still gets sore from holding W to run in most games.

I NEEEEED IT!!! 🤤🤤🤤

This seems like what I've been looking for, for so many years. Finally, a one handed keyboard that fits my needs.

Testing the Move Master and a Speedmaster on the wrist. good taste mate.

When I see the trolls and junk comments that are written here who have no idea and haven't even tested the MM, it's just pathetic. Since I got the MM, I don’t think about the keyboard or GamePad anymore. And that was already the case with the MoveMaster 3D printed version. The new one goes one better. A lot! Gaming is really being rediscovered here and I was competitive with the keyboard for years. You definitely have advantages with the MM and it would go beyond the scope of this article to list them all.

This would be something on my watchlist. Because I play alot with the Azeron and a tablet/stylus on melee games. Like Chivalry, Mordhau and Dark & Darker.

Another product I can't use since I'm missing digits on my left hand. I'm hoping when they finally make good gloves for VR, it'll work for someone like me too. Still, it's cool people are trying to push the envelope so that gaming only gets better. Having YOU test it and introduce it is actually pretty smart since we know we can trust your opinion. Smart move on their part.

Nice review - I had my eyes on an Azeron, but never pulled the trigger. This sounds like it might be a better alternative

What a seriously intriguing peripheral! I didn't think pc hardware could keep surprising me, but here we are!

Now this is a cool peripheral! Definitely looking forward to seeing how people leverage this controller's unique design for various games.

This is nice! Great Idea!😉💯💯💯💛👍

I would LOVE to see something like this tested on FPS stuff. Maybe things like Destiny 2 or Halo Infinite? Listing free games there to make it easier to test and stuff

looks amazing. There might be challenges with an RTS such as SC2 though. You are often rolling multiple button presses in quick succession while also boxing units on screen using the mouse. I can see this being one of two hands, but not being the single input device (if somehow you could bind the stick to scrolling the screen, then the mouse would be free for unit selecting and targeting, that would be pretty cool).

looks very cool, almost reminds me of the flight throttles used in most Gundam series, just chock full of buttons

Is there any chance of a Left Handed version coming? It wouldn't be worth the tooling for injection molding, but perhaps some 3-D printed lefties?

This looks really cool and I'm super glad to see peripherals like this coming out, as someone who's been using a gamepanel for years. Ultimately, I ended up going with the Azeron, though.

Well this is a surprise. First time seeing this thing

Very nice that they went with injection moulding. I could never pay around 200 bucks for something made of cheap 3d printed plastic.

Just got this. I’m very impressed. Just a minor correction. The software does not currently support double press for another macro. The new software version is in Beta and will be released “soon” according to move master. Just a quick note as I would have waited to order if I had known this feature wasn’t available.

This looks really good, i feel all its missing is some more customization and key interchangeability. Specifically what I'd love to see is a 4 way D-pad for your thumb. But I look forward to its release!

I still use an ancient, half-working Ideazon Fang gamepad that's been out of production for over a decade. Half the buttons are horribly placed and the mapping software stopped working several Windows versions ago, but the "butterfly" WASD pad (technically QWE/ASD) beats the pants off of a Nostromo or Logitech gamepad (I've tried both). This looks really, really nice--the only issue I see is that the 8-way doesn't have a twist, so it can't circle-strafe (e.g., Q-W-D) with one clean motion (I suspect that using the 8-way for translation and two buttons for rotation may be more difficult than just holding down three of the six primary movement keys). Of course, this doesn't matter as much in games that only allow rotation through the mouse and use Q and E for other things, which seems to be the standard these days. The other issue is the price, which is in the same ballpark as the Azeron Cyborg and slightly higher than a mid-level joystick like the Gladiator NXT. Yes, there's sure to be a significant early-adopter tax in play as they ramp up production (and all due praise to those willing to help drive manufacturing costs down with their purchases), but I think I'll wait on the fence a bit longer--unless the old Fang finally gives out.

certainly worth keeping an eye on. Now if only you could convert the wasd movement to mouse movement, it would be great for VR simming.

Your setup is on another level. just wow.

Never heard of it, but now I'm VERY interested. Thanks Noob!

I use my throttle for all fps games these days, i have access to 3 D-pads, many buttons and sliders and an analogue thumbstick.

A toggle pad and a Modifier key would probably help. Thanks for the Show and tell and the fancy french words.

This is my take as a 10+ year user of Tartarus keypads (OG and V2). For starters, number of keys: For 200 USD I'd expect a little bit more from a device, the movemaster sports only 14 keys and the rest are sold as a separate addon (that of course will cost more money on top of the original 200). Compared to the 25 keys and scrollwheel on the 70 USD Tartarus V2. On the software side of things the MM looks weak, it seems it can only remap the keys, no macros, autofire or layered configurations were mentioned and all of this is standard in Synapse. Finally the ergonomics. The Tartarus lets you fully rest your palm on it and with It's basic adjustable palmrest fits my big hands and can reach all the key no problem. The MM doesn't looks very comfortable, it's like a very tall throttle from a HOTAS and looks like it would be at least tiring (if not painful) to use for an extended session of gaming.

How have I never heard of this, it’s genius! I never thought keyboard and mouse controls were that comfortable and often opt for controller. This seems more intuitive for WASD movement than the competitors that still use buttons

Very interested. Being someone who has used a Razor Tartarus v2 fulltime for the last 5 years and love it... besides the joy stick semi breaking around the 10-12 month mark because I use it for movement in most games, but that's ok it has a 2 year warranty so its $20 bucks for a new one every year lol. Might have to check this out once the second module comes out

I think we all love a heavy metal bass! Oh base? I guess that works too.. All jokes aside: this is a pretty cool peripheral! I myself use a one-handed keyboard for gaming (some Tartarus/G13 knock-off without an analogue stick) which I love, but if this is affordable and more ergonomic, it might be the one to replace what I've got once this one's done and at the very least this seems worth trying

To be honest i'm actually intrigued by this design a lot more than other "ergo" keyboards. i'll be seriously considering buying this in the future!

Interesting! As a fellow cat owner, I'm sure your cat is like "WTF? What keyboard am I going to lay across now?" :) Being a long time PC gamer (x286 days) I have tried everything to replace the keyboard. I'm going to seriously look at Move Master. Thanks for alerting me to this. Anybody want to buy my SpaceMouse 3D? (VERY low use - useless in SC) :D

This is pretty neat. Thank you for the review, N00b!

Found this video, your channel, and this device about an hour or two ago - already purchased. Mostly aiming to build myself an ergonomic cockpit style desk setup- what are you using as the platform/seat as seen in this video?

Would it be mad to have adjustable angle? Or perhaps little sticky out feet? Many mega ergo things are at an angle (with the outer edge being lower than the inner edge). I guess for sim people it could just be an attachment for the rig that you screw on at an ideal ergonomic angle for your wrists... but on a desk it seems very flat and would cause pronation

I have a Movemaster from a few years ago, and can confirm it's super snazzy.

Looks cool, always wanted something to replace my now defunct G-13. I'll admit i was a bit wary, given you never once mentioned the price. Usually an immediate red flag, and I wasn't wrong, I feel €200 is too steep for what it is. The Razer V2 is half that. The concept looks sound but I'll wait to see if it comes down in price.

LOL, I clicked expecting some fancy guitar bridge 😂😂

Awesome review! Thanks for bring us new and exciting products!!

Left & Right Handed Models? That would also open up potential use cases like VR Controls.

Nice design, but i think i would still go for my ZSA Moonlander keyboard, beside beeing split keyboard and can have up to 32 layers, it can also be just the ZSA Halfmoon by using just the left side ( the keyboard had diferent configuration if used as moonlader or halfmoon, ohhh and each key can have uo to 4 functions(press, double press, hold, press and hold). This is my opinion. And for spacegames i woukd rather go tor an hotas or hosas system.

Id like to see a right-handed version of this. I use a mouse in my left hand, so I'd be losing both of the thumb presses by using this on the right.

It can also be used, or hacked up for ppl with disabilities who may not otherwise be able to play. Less in game disability settings and more peripheral/ hardware for disabilities is always a win.

Nice, I do want a better control system than keyboard. This version does seem simple to understand. It's too bulky for children's hands like the x box controller was for me when I was little. A slimmer design that moves all buttons off the palm joystick control to the platform could get kids fingers to reach the platform buttons. The press center button action of joysticks for consoles can work for jump on a palm joystick for this too. I've always hated using that button action on those small joysticks because it would wobble side to side as I press in. Pressing inward or down into a palm joystick seems like I would have better control of that due to the larger area size of the surface. All around good idea but needs more R&D. Thinking about it more and a joystick stand underneath a platform of buttons might work better to prevent the shifting of fingers away from known button press locations while moving the palm.

Very cool device, is the cord not removable/replaceable?

Damn you, you just made me spend $212.

This seems really cool, but to the RTS point, there are just not enough buttons, even with the expansion. Looking at needing at least 30 buttons to play RTS competitively

Cant wait to use this in gundam breaker 4

Honestly, whenever I see a peripheral like this I always wonder what other applications it would have outside of gaming. Like the obvious option of accessibility controller and/or a special controller for professional apps like graphic design, modeling and stuff. Remember how Vim had pedal controls? Yeah, something like that.

Great to see more ergonomic keyboard alternatives coming out! Unfortunately, I don't see this one quite reaching the peak performance of an Azeron--it looks comfortable, sure, but there's a severe lack of buttons that more complicated games absoluely need. One of the Azeron Cyborg's main draws is its deep integration with ReWASD: this lets you effectively double or triple the available keys by shifting layers with a simple key press (I have my layer shift key bound to my mouse). Tack on the fact that the Cyborg has 33 keys (counting the hat and analog stick), and you will always have enough space for binding even military sims like Squad that have an overwhelming amount of binds. I'd love to see other companies take the Cyborg formula and improve on it, maybe by adding additional keys in clever spots or by making adjustments easier and more widely-ranged (the only problem I have with the Cyborg as of now is that the very top finger keys can be difficult to adjust to reliably trigger, along with the need to unscrew things to adjust), but the MoveMaster seems to take a step backwards.

As somebody missing pinky and ring finger on left hand I'm definitely appreciative of this idea coming to fruition.

Finally forced to transition from using Logitech G13's for about a decade, to an Azeron Cyborg but find the keys don't feel tactile especially with the outward presses. I'd be interested in seeing the if the perpendicular movement can replace a thumb stick but always happy to support peripheral innovators. I just hope they'll make a model that has a single baseplate for that second module.

Holy crap. Have some gaming rigs, man.

Love this however i cant help but feel the base model needs one or 2 more buttons, especially a C or CTRL for crouch in FPS near the thumb

I have to see this playing WoW! I’d probably buy it if I did.

Needs a removable usb cable for durability. A friend had a logitech webcam that needed a cable replacement and I couldn't because of how glued together it was.

Hey Noob. Did you ever use a Microsoft Sidewinder Strategic Commander? An older controller now but similar idea and curious how they compare. I still have mine somewhere and this reminded me of it.

Very cool. Would love to try it out.

Options are never a bad thing, thanks!

great product. However, I've been tinkering with using a joystick for movement in games and most don't have analog movement. Games like Squad, Tarkov even RDR2 use an analog animation approach with a binary input so the joystick is 'dead' until 50% and then the player moves forward as though a key is pressed. RDR2 is a bit of an outlier here but it still doesn't feel right to smash a button to get a sprint going. I hope this takes off and gaming catches up.

It's an interesting idea, I would 100% get one, it's just under 200 euro which for a boutique item isn't a bad price. But sadly they don't ship to Australia which is understandable for first waves of a new device we are a small market and cost a fortune to ship to haha. Best of luck to these guys I hope they do well.

This is realy Interressting. have to try this one

Looks pretty neat. Might have to check this out one day.

If that makes my Star Citizen gaming easier and more ergonomic then this is exactly what I need

I used the Belkin N52TE for _years_, went through 2 or 3 of them before the product was sold to Razer, and even then I had another 2 or 3 of their version. I'd use the thumb button as 'ALT' to double my keybinds. My only concern watching the review, is how hard it might be to button press _without_ moving your hand, for example a RPG class in a game where moving will cancel the skill being used.