JP Enterprise silent buffer system review 

I’ll have to give it a look, regardless the issue is more so the failure point and then having to service it whilst in the middle of other things

bro 5-7k round count change the o rings twice a year for the average man and you are fine @@autonomousdefense

I was surprised with how dry the buffer in the video was, I expect a responsible gun owner to make sure their firearms are properly lubricated and taken care of. I'm always giving my friends shit for not lubricating their guns and then complaining about reliability issues.

@@Simply709 You think im gonna handle the buffer in hand while its soaking wet in lub? its not in the gun and im talking about it. It was wiped dry..............

@@autonomousdefense Yeah, actually. it doesn't need to be completely submerged and dripping in lube, Nobody is asking you to stick it in the 55 gallon tub of lube that your boyfriend keeps next to your bed to make a video. But any responsible gun owner would at least put a thin layer of some sort of CLP on their tools to keep them from rusting. And by how dry that buffer looked I'm assuming it sat dry for a few days. You should never leave tools just sitting dry, especially gun parts. Its literally one of the first things you learn in gunsmithing school. Unless you went to SDI, then they teach you how to wipe your ass.

Yeah whats wild is most civilian rifles exceed mil-spec requirements because we dont buy what is effectively the cheapest mass produced versions of our rifle's internal components. its almost like there is a difference between BCM, LMT, PSA, and M&P rifles.

I was an armorer, and if you abused your rifle like that, you would have gotten a counseling statement! Plus, i would have NEVER let you sign it back in….

@@JIMMYJAMES156821 "I was an armorer" I hope you don't take this personally because I've got no way of telling your actually experience level but I've seen people who shouldn't have a drivers license call themselves "Armorers" I've met men employed as armorers and "Gunsmiths" and I've watched dudes break customers guns, incorrectly assemble them, or install optics incorrectly. Extremely basic shit even in the military you can have dudes forget to torque barrel nuts being an "Armorer" means nothing, at all. to even state that like it gives you knowledge might as well be an admission you've never field tested equipment heavily. judging from the multiple comments you didnt even watch the entire video through to the end before asking questions or making statements.

Again, The volume of shooting was related to the class it was put through, it was lubed plenty, O-ring split and seized the action. the gun was cleaned and lubed repeatedly and it continued to fail due to the O-ring floating around in the tube. Again the most significant failures occurred under NODS in the dark making field servicing problematic. Standard system works fine.

7,000 rounds is an awfully short lifespan.

Or......you could buy a cheaper car that does the job better and doesnt need any of that. We're trying to make something more reliable not less. if im not mistaken the O ring round count limit isnt stated up front by JP on the product page so youre gonna find out by breaking it, not by having prior knowledge.

@@autonomousdefense you definitely should not purchase a SCS if you do not know what the intended purpose of it is (hint: it isn't just about some cheese-grater noise). But in any case - yeah i guess sometimes the world doesn't hold your hand. Maybe look at the o-rings with your eyeballs once every now and then - and replace them when they start to show wear. Or... just throw up your hands in confused desperation, throw in the towel and call it a bad product because you don't understand it. lol

@@regishevro971 So when the o ring failed it was during a 4 day outdoors training event were around 2000 rounds were fired and the stoppages that were occurring happened under nightvision in the middle of a multi man drill. Basically the worst possible time for a gun to go down and the issue couldnt be resolved. you might get a second or third shot off before the o ring caused another failure so your semi auto rifle is now a bolt gun which is also causing magazine feeding problems. its a bad product because it doesnt solve anything a standard 50$ buffer system cant handle for the cost of around 200$. Practically speaking this product does nothing. You spent extra money for something that causes problems that didnt exist.

@@regishevro971 Its a bad product if you intend to actually use your gun to get good with your gun so that you actually are a competent shooter.

@@autonomousdefense well, first off - completely your fault for not maintaining your equipment. If you've made it this far in life and still didn't know that o-rings were wear items, that's on you. Second off - if you're putting a $140+ buffer spring into a rifle solely to eliminate a “sproing” noise on the backend of a rifle that launches supersonic projectiles out the front end then… well, I don’t know what to say to you. If you’re just building a gucci gun for the sake of building a gucci gun - then by all means, go ahead. Most adults are probably aware that o-rings are wear parts and won’t have the same experience you did. The functional reasons to use a JP SCS are: 1) to facilitate using a JP VMOS, for all the reasons you would want to use a VMOS. 2) competition guns - SCS weights and springs are easily adjustable and allow you to tune a high-end race gun with mass instead of gas alone.

Nah. I want something that will last more than 6k rounds. Ofcourse you can fix it, but the less failure points, the better.

I like you.

they only goes for $70 buck

When someone on the internet says buy once cry once I've already checked out knowing they don't shoot more than 1000rnds a year

Doesn’t matter you don’t have to replace your regular springs on a buffer at 7k rounds dude. That wasn’t the gripe. The gripe is this can cause failures in the gun and ultimately the whole buffer can destroy itself. It’s a bad design made for a non existent problem. If you believe in the silent spring to begin with you aren’t very knowledgeable in the platform.

@@starxlord9856this is false maintain your gear this is just simple maintenance

With that much shootings I'm sure your changing out your barrel as well often.

He probably never changes the oil in his car😂😂

I understand all that. The point I’m making is self evident. There are plenty of guns on the market and the ones people use are the ones that can go the longest with the least amount of maintenance so long as the weapon is lubricated. This is why glocks and their design replaced everything on the market when it came down to practical use. People sacrifice speed or weight for consistency and reliability.

“Nope. Tires solve a problem that doesn’t exist and I don’t like creating new problems. My wagon wheels are creaky and bumpier but they are cheap and replaceable and what everyone else uses and they work just fine! DO NOT IMPROVE ON SOMETHING THAT ISN’T A real PROBLEM, PERIOD”

No u

I was just thinking the same thing. 😂

Exactly my thoughts 😂😂😂

Hell, he probably still has the original winshield wipers on. According to him, they should last the lifetime of the vehicle.

Yeah but he's a speed freak and he's going to pinch his finger an slow him down, speed isn't everything and isn't really necessary much of the time unless you are running from cover to cover. situational awareness is more important and when coupled with superior marksmanship skills will produce excellent results. the buffer assembly looks like it's been run dry for quite a while or the wrong lubricant.looks like a axle shaft that's ran dry just before it gets hot turns blue and snaps. seven thousand rounds is lot of ammo somebody's got deep pockets. I've watched enough of those videos on RU-vid and other sites online that are about "training" to me most of them appear to be more like how much ammo can we waste and how much noise can we make with very little situational awareness or focus on marksmanship or maybe I should say making the rounds count. in a bad situation ammunition is a very finite resource it's your job to make the other guys waste his ammo and loose the fight and run away...or try to...he might trip and fall down lol

@@franciscallahan2529 I’m aware that’s literally why I said “because the pin is gone I can’t do that without the buffer trying to pop out of the gun” that wasn’t the point the point was all the other things JP instructs you to do with this thing that offers no benefit and has a service life JP neatly hides from you. It’s all pretty stupid.

@@alvinmorris5404 lmao, seal team 6 over here thinks a gun shot more than he’ll ever fire in his entire life has the “wrong lubricant” “somebody’s got deep pockets” bro when did men became so soft they stopped working 2 jobs lmao

@@Antler_addict quite literally the buffer system failed, it’s not my fault JP neatly leaves out the round count life expectancy of its own product, almost like they don’t expect you to shoot 5000 rounds through it.

Same. I love that JP started making an A5 specific spacer for people like us who kept their A5 extension when they upgraded to the SCS.

Yup

“If it’s stupid and it works it isn’t stupid” Bro this gun manages to maintain 3 sighting systems and it’s still an NVG gun. Pretty happy with it.

Lol

So you can see how using this equipment how it’s meant to be used could be hard on it? What a nothing comment 😂

@@RandomWrongDeletion You created a oxymoron with that genius reply. Bravo tactical ted.

Tactical Ted because I use my equipment how they’re designed, hell yea! Rob Collin’s sits on the range and cry’s about other men doing what they want 😂

@@RandomWrongDeletion You are absolutely right! Your manly bravado have me weeping in the fetal position until I pass out from oxygen deprivation! Tactical Ted!! Saving us all from untactical gear and a untactical lifestyle with his tactical tacticalness. Thaaaaank goodness! If you think LARPing on a flat range is "testing your gear as it's meant to be used" you are a fool.

@@robkilcollins310 It sounds like you’re too broke to afford decent training and you’re jealous of better men who take the time to fine tune their craft. To each their own, you genuinely seem like the kind of guy who shouldn’t leave the flat range.

@@gregphillips1998 lmao, I like how guys like you couldn’t be bothered to actually pay attention to when and how the product failed. I wasn’t aware you were such a war specialist, glad to get your feedback.

5k is like the baseline test for most reliable weapons. that isnt a lot of ammo.

Don't disagree with him, he'll have an emotional meltdown lol..

@@chadfriesen1858 see that’s funny because in PCSL, it isn’t. I’ve also used rifles modified for 3 gun that can’t cycle factory ammo.

@@hairydogstail not always, only when people say something that justifies mockery.

@@autonomousdefense Yup, too bad this isn't one of them..

Anyone who skips through a video and makes absolute statements that aren’t even said in the video probably shouldn’t post a comment making themselves look stupid. God forbid anyone actually claims the original design that’s changed very little in the last hundred years is somehow superior than gimmick products nobody fucking uses.

​@@autonomousdefenseHave u read these comments? Im not the only one who thinks you're a 🤡 And these are YOUR followers

@@wooddawg4868 this is the best option

@@jpduder13 maintenance without benefits quite literally describes making a design worse. A very specific point made in this video is how, why, and especially when it failed and all of that does matter greatly.

@@autonomousdefense I guess John Paul of JP enterprises has a few things to learn about building firearms…. Lots of credible people have them, use them and love them. Keep in mind, everything JP does is for maximum performance during competition. And generally people who shoot competition are extremely vigilant about maintenance and anything that will give them an edge over others.

@@jpduder13 weird because they don’t, Tony Mazza, Ben Stoeger, Pranka, all the PSTG boys, nobody I’ve seen placing high regularly in competition in PCSL, private matches running off hit factory using rifles, etc etc etc. I’ve quite literally seen nobody other than me and one friend ever show up with a rifle to a match or class and use this thing and we both broke ours, his snapped the screw.

@@jpduder13 and like if you understand shooting and physics and how the gas system in an ar15 works and how to change it this product doesn’t do anything. I don’t know what hyper modified 3 gun trash rifles that don’t run factory ammo people are using with this thing but most normally gassed rifles don’t change at all.

@@autonomousdefense fair enough. They didn’t work for you. But there’s a lot of people that have zero issues with them.

Power to you, if you like it and you wanna use it that’s cool. This was a longevity test to see what failed and how it failed and what failed is a problem that doesn’t “need” to exist. I…do….not….like….creating…..problems. If this system was actually DRASTICALLY better than a standard buffer system you could make the arguments it’s worth the problems but it isn’t. Muzzle brakes have a more significant effect on recoil than this, triggers have a more significant effect on how well and how fast you can run the gun, optics have a more significant effect on how fast and effectively you can run the gun. What this thing does is insignificant unless you’re tuning more than just the buffer system and at that point what you do with the gas system, the ammo, the muzzle, the barrel, all of that shit is what is altering your recoil and use of the weapon. Not the buffer.

Guns gassed fine, its a BCM upper that's been shot heavily and ran suppressed and unsuppressed, there is no advantage to running buffer systems outside of what is already normal for rifles and carbines and selling people a more expensive options who wont shoot 5000 rounds through it in a year is frankly dishonest business in my world. a world wear training and competition decide most things and prove most things. my gun isnt even that dirty relative to what i've seen at classes.

@@autonomousdefense I have been several guns with the system similar to the JP system over the past 9 years and never seen one look like that. Sorry, there is a problem somewhere. Since thus is the first time you have used one and the physical appearance/evidence, I'm a little suspect as to your results. Admittedly, I have never used the JP system so maybe it is a JP vs Armaspec issue.

@@waltmeyer1156 or maybe you just dont shoot very much

@@autonomousdefense You review an item that has been on the market for at least 8 years and that 10s of thousands of other AR users, including competition shooters, have used during that time. I am surprised that it took you this long to learn their is an alternative to the standard spring and buffer. You fire a few thousand rounds and have a negative thing happen. You call the company and they tell you, yes, the rings should be replaced after 5000 rounds. The item you review is in horrible condition and not the condition it should be in, even after that many rounds since dirt, grime and powder residues don't normally find their way into the buffer tube. You complete all of your testing on one gun. You are also using this system on a suppressed rifle and don't mention if you are using the correctly weighted unit (they come in different weights for different applications, just like standard buffers). I have never used the JP system but I do use it's competitor and they are pretty much the same thing and do the same job (the competitor is half the price). I've installed it on more than 20 guns. One of those guns has had it installed for 9 years and probably run through 10,000 rounds with no sign of wear, no grime, no damage, and no FTEs/FTFs. The other 20+ rifles have been using them with zero complaints. As I mentioned earlier, this is the #1 performance modification request I get from people who ask me to build a rifle for them since they get to actually compare it to a stock system and notice a distinct difference. I think part of the problem was that you removed the buffer retainer and spring. These systems can be installed with them and that is how I build them. It literally takes me 20 seconds to install or remove the system (depress the retainer, pull the system out over the retainer and cocked hammer), the exact same time as with the stock spring/buffer. In regards to the number of rounds I shoot, my current count does not equal yours. However, during my SWAT and special teams assignments, AR platform rifles were my constant companion and my round counts during our regular training sessions exceeded yours since our lives, and the lives of others, depended on our ability. This item wasn't available at that time, but if it had been, it would have been in my work rifles unless our liability people told us no. The number of rounds you shoot doesn't make you an expert at anything other than hitting a target at a fast speed (and for some people, they can that many rounds and still not hit anything). I would suggest that before you provide people with potentially incorrect information, try a little more research. Try the equipment you test on multiple guns. Have different people try it and tell you their thoughts. Try a second unit of the same device and see if you have the same results. You are young and still have much to learn. I am older and yes, I still have much to learn also. That's the cool thing about the 2nd Amendment and firearms in general. I hope that helps!

@@waltmeyer1156 lmao, 10,000 in 9 years. Literally just over 1111 rounds a year. You don’t shoot, you don’t train you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Large amount of incorrect information would mean more than one thing and what you just said is one thing. As i've said to a lot of people so far Regardless of what it even takes to replace the rings a lot or a little, its still a failure point that doesnt exist and a standard buffer system works perfectly fine. The gun is fine without this system. I "Personally" dont feel the need or see the benefit to using this system.

I honestly cant express it enough how the buffer system has made zero difference provided the weights are the same in anything having to do with actually using the gun.

So something that isn’t ok for a rifle that would actually be getting used for the purpose a rifle is intended for isn’t ok but if it’s for something not actually being used like it’s meant to then it’s ok? I think you answered your own question.

@@autonomousdefense No there is other uses for rifles than then a service rifle, but i see on their website they sell these in their duty and patrol rifles, i guess if you followed the manufacturers service guide line and changed the O ring at 5k, and not complaining about it at 7k you would not have issues, your lack of maintenance is not JP or the O-rings fault

@@FeloniousSKUNK JP not openly stating on the product page the O-rings have a service life of 5000 rounds is a pretty clear indication they don’t expect their costumers to actually use their stuff very much

@@autonomousdefense added maintenance is rarely useful, and like you said, the manufacturer had nothing in their paperwork about maintenance intervals. Seems sketchy at the very least and genuine malfeasance at worst. I’ve seen similar products that don’t have those O-rings, idk what the maintenance schedule is for those but I wouldn’t care to find out lol

Cleaned it multiple times. The issue comes from the o-rings breaking and JP confirmed the round counts for when they break.

​@@autonomousdefense when cleaning did you coat the orings with silicone grease?

Actually that removal of the retainer pin came straight from the instructions the product had. That was JPs recommendation. No idea if they’ve changed their recommendations but at the time of purchase that was the case. I understand mechanical things require maintenance but your claims that this recoil system makes any significant differences are false. Its “improvement” is negligible at best. If you want to talk about things that honestly effect how well you run a gun, muzzle devices, triggers, optics, and gas length actually significantly alter recoil. I disagree with the points you’re trying to make. of course mechanical things require maintenance but how something breaks and what it’s being compared to matter.

@@autonomousdefenseJP makes a retainer pin for the SCS that will also work with the mil spec buffer..JP stated the retainer could be used installed or removed with their SCS, so lets get that straight..It was the weird dude from DeRanged who made a big deal about removing it..Gas adjustment/ammunition, muzzle comp, and the lightest reciprocating mass is what creates recoil reduction..The JP SCS absolutely makes a difference in recoil reduction, especially when paired with an adj gas blcok and muzzle comp..I"ll take that Pepsi challenge with my rifles against anybody else's rifle..You even admit it smooths the action, which is part of recoil mitigation..Faster follow up shots..Triggers, optics and even the gas length (to a certain degree) means nothing when mitigating recoil, if the gas is adjustable..For faster follow up shots absolutely..Dwell time or un-lock time is not effected by buffer weight, period..By the way, I have had JP SCS in my rifles for way over a decade and none of them have looked as bad as yours.. You obviously don't lube or service your rifles very well..We all have different opinions about what works and doesn't, so don't be surprised when you get a little push back, nothing personal..The JP SCS is not the end all of recoil systems but it makes enough difference that I use it in all of my competition guns..I don't use them in any self defense rifles of mine..I personally have no use for the A5 system and could never see or feel any benefit to it other than being able to use more weight in the buffer for a lot more expense.. Later!

@@hairydogstail so, because of how heavily the rifle is used it’s constantly lubed up with 10w40 motor oil because it’s thick enough not to burn of especially when ran suppressed. My guns are actually serviced a lot more than they need to be because I like a lot of dudes get bored and take it apart to wipe it down and inspect it while I watch something on RU-vid or Netflix, or Amazon. The gun is never dry and it gets heavily used. Mine buffer doesn’t “look bad” it looks like it actually got used it was taken to 5000 rounds and that’s it. I down own multiple in multiple rifles I have the one rifle I use the one rifle and I actually get to see what holds up and what doesn’t because that’s the point of testing. You sure do point out a lot of factors involving recoil that doesn’t actually involve this buffer systems for someone trying to argue it actually matters.

@@autonomousdefenseFirst off, using 10w40 oil is probably what degraded your O rings in the first place..Mine last longer than yours and the weights don't look like crap after that few of rounds..When I was competing for many, many years, I put around 350 rounds a week through my rifle, so I know what wear occurs on the AR platform..I use LSA lube and have found it better than all of the other snake oils people push..I competed in 3 gun, multi gun and long range using my custom AR rifles..I hunt with my 6.5 Grendels and have recently went with 300 black out rifles for my hiking rifles..My entire family competes, hunts and uses the AR platform..I also helped many friends in competition and law enforcement repair and set up their rifles, both suppressed and un-suppressed..The fastest times I have made were with a lighter Sprinco recoil spring and hydralic buffer with controlled gas..My point is the JP SCS does effect recoil and improve faster follow up shots.. Your blanket statement on how the JP SCS is not worth the cost and has no effect on recoil just rubbed me wrong..The recoil system type matched with the other factors absolutely effects recoil mitigation and faster follow up shots..Later!

@@hairydogstail dog, 10w40 a fucking motor oil meant for vehicles operating at heat and moving parts higher than even fully automatic rifles will reach did not degrade the o-ring the o-ring broke exactly where JP said it would which by the way isn’t information the opening tell you.

I fully understand you can press it down to get it in and out but now you need something thin enough to easily get it out of the way. Again, their own instructions tell you to remove the retaining pin.

Yeah, I get. People always making you do more work because they don't give you enough credit that you might actually have the dexterity to do it the easy way. I use instruction sheets to make sure I have all the pieces. I saw one guy who said you could just leave the retaining pin out. That works fine until you want to quick change to a traditional spring and H2. I only have one of these in a range gun. Not anything I would do serious work with. Thanks for the video.

@@michaelcreekmore9534 honestly dude, the A5 and its benefits don’t actually seem to do anything a simple flat wire spring can’t do, flat wire springs offer more coils for more compression strength and uniform compression reducing vibration. If you need heavier buffers just buy one, you’ve got H3 and H4 that actually reach those higher weights for the A5 designed for standard carbine tubes and flat wire springs.

It wasn’t being used for competition and competition weapons are an entirely different conversation. Competition guns are meant to be as fast and recoil efficient as possible to the point only specific ammo works and they’re almost unsafe mechanically. This gun was extremely lubed at all time it’s never dry.

The audience my content is geared to are people who train and part of my goals are to get people to train. Equipment of any kind that doesn't hold up to a basic training regimen is of little value. if you want something that looks good and is fragile you should be collecting wrist watches not gun parts. 5000rd is a very low round count.

Like I know they can fail, I just haven’t seen it and the beefed up pins exists for a few dollars

I traded the standard pin for an HK416 pin, then swapped the standard spring with a JP polished spring and a Spike's T1 buffer. Costed about 60 all together. Cheaper and it's quieter. @@autonomousdefense

200$ is something if its less effective than the original system that costs less than half that. Yes, I expected wear and tear eventually. that is literally the point of the test, to see what and how it failed. yknow what you call wasting money on something that objectively brings no benefits and has more cons than it does pros? Stupid, you call it stupid. Its as if people don't understand just because something exists doesn't mean its actually a good design when used practically this is the entire reason people review and test products. Im advocating you spend your money on: Solid optics, Solid triggers, Gas systems, and muzzle devices. Literally all of those items have a more significant effect on how the gun runs and how you run it than this recoil system. Yknow what also help you spend more money on thousands of rounds to train? not spending it on products that fail.

I have not, this experience really makes me wanna just go with the old reliable H2 silicon spring set up. Might fuck wit the Vltor A5 at some point.

​@@autonomousdefenseThe tubbs flatwires are legit. Very flat, very durable, extra simple

O-rings stayed oiled the entire time

Low expectations

@@autonomousdefense how many rounds do you feel it should last ?

@@Nick-ik7vr 7,000-10,000 if not more. it isnt just about the round count its about what is failing. it should be the physical spring doing all the work that gets noticeably sluggish from being so heavily used rather than something else in the tube stopping the gun.

@@Nick-ik7vr mind you that replacing a normal spring is laughably cheap and laughably easy almost like this shit is the way it is because dudes figured this out a LONG time ago.

But like.......why even use it at that point?

The issue is primarily it failing when you really need it not to. Again since replacing the system with the good ole H2 buff and spring it’s performing just as well if not better because of the extra feedback from vibration and now it has one less failure point. Like there really isn’t any justification for using this product at all. You can still configure competition guns and suppressed rifles extremely well without the use of this system.

In eliminating the buffer retaining pin it removes a failure point that doesnt have a round count, those things can just shit the bed sometimes and when that happens its an equally bad failure. JP's o-ring failure is also 100% preventable via basic maintenence of the system you spent $150 on. Replace o-rings every 5000 rounds, theyre $8. I've never used the sproing to help myself shoot, so I cant comment on that, but it seems its probably not worth maintaing a failure point for.

@@MedicalTape_xX fair point, I’ve never personally seen that retaining pin break and if I’m not mistaken companies sell beefed up versions of that pin.

Ok but like, and hear me out…….what about less maintenance……with a system that doesn’t have bolt bounce like the honey badger…….and doesn’t break in a specific way that will stop the gun running entirely. Real talk if you want a honey badger and a gun that does honey badger things fucking do it. That is a very specific build that should be run 300blk. But if you want a rifle that can handle extreme abuse with the highest reliability, there is a reason dudes figured all this shit out literally several wars ago.

Maybe it’s just because I’ve shot tens of thousand of rounds through AKM style guns and shotguns and bolt guns because the AR15 is relatively low recoil and smooth already and I genuinely cannot see a difference between this system and the standard in a practical sense. Like sure it feels different, that hasn’t changed anything as far as how the gun shoots. Surefire duel port, absolutely. Silent capture system? No.

I specifically asked JP this when it first broke because I had the same question. According to them if you don’t have the O-rings the impact of the weights will snap the screw holding it together.

Bolts never had problems locking to the rear. What you’re talking about has never been an issue nor is it even the subject of this review or the problems with this product. Regardless of the pressure this system was fired suppressed and unsuppressed and the system failed at the exact round count JP claimed it would which again, they do not openly tell you when you purchase the product. And it’s not about fine tuning, fine tuning is a gas port drilled properly to allow the gun to cycle and fire reliably. If you have a properly built “duty” style rifle using a BCM upper your failure point shouldn’t be a recoil spring assembly.

Can you say adjustable gas block?

@@danoneal9816 what about pinned gas block rifles? All im saying is that $200 for an undersprung buffer system which then requires another $100 for an adjustable gas block, isnt worth the money Id much prefer spending $30 on a tubbs flatwire if i really cant stand the noise.

You can add weights or heavier springs in the JP SCS system just like a mil spec if needed..

@@hairydogstail that’s exactly what made it $200…….

@@eitrisenhancementsllcYou could have purchased an BRD EZTUNE gas tube as an easy fix..Heavier buffers do not fix over gassed systems, they just mask the problem.. Always meter the gas first if possible, if you want the most efficient and reliable rifle possible..

you sound very inexperienced. "was it full auto?" no "that thing looks 100 years old" no.....it doesnt......not even a little.

So like, the specific failure point and its existence due to the design is the very clearly stated problem, the other problem is no actual advantage to using this product over something like a standard buffer and flatware spring. Its failure rate is high and the average shooter absolutely hits 7k rounds in a year

Yes actually, standard spring and a H2 buffer or appropriate weight based on the build. I actually revisited this rabbit hole of tuning guns based off the buffer system and oh boy. The vltor A5 and BCM MK2 systems might be gigantic crocks of shit. Weirdly enough if you look deep enough into it. It appears flat wire springs and higher mass H3-H4 buffers might actually accomplish the same thing JP, vltor, BCM, and giessele. Claim to do with their proprietary recoil systems. It’s really weird how all of these companies all tried accomplishing the same thing. I think I’ve found more people using springco springs and flatwire springs than people who actually use the vltor. Eventually I’ll put out another video about It if I find anything of significant value from trying something other than a standard buffer and spring again. I’ve got a feeling it won’t make that much of a difference.

Breaking it isn’t the issue, letting it set and needing to even do that is.

@@autonomousdefense oh, but that comes with the ecosystem of a product. If this isn’t what your looking for , then I recommend guys geissele buffer and braided spring.

@@CA.0verview or yknow, literally just a standard buffer and spring. This product clearly isn’t what anyone’s looking for otherwise JP wouldn’t withhold information about their own experiences with its failures at specific round counts. Really valuable information they just don’t provide.

How very insightful.

Ever heard of running good equipment? Or weapons testing?

Endurance

@@americanmade422 objectively not an upgrade. 5-7k depending on the cartridge you use because higher pressure means higher stress. The buffer was lubed, it failed exactly when the manufacturer said it would, information they neatly neglect telling you because they don’t expect you to ever put 5k through their buffer. Which interesting enough almost all the comments debating that are people who haven’t shot that much or even own this specific product. It’s almost like people who don’t shoot don’t have experience and believe a different buffer system is the key to them not being trash with a rifle.

@autonomousdefense keep spare buffer springs with weights, problem solved.

@@americanmade422 or just don’t use shitty parts. Problem super solved.

You sound like you smoke a lot more than just ammo my guy. I don’t even know what to say. You don’t seem to understand the concept of weapon testing you also don’t seem to grasp the point of not wasting money, you’ve got this snobbish self imagine that because you waste money care free you think other people should take up knitting that don’t do what you do? What even is the clown cringe ass comment bro?

Which is a shame. as much back and forth as there is in these comments I really do like seeing weapons develop and change hopefully to improve across the board.

Realistically after switching back to a normal H2 and spring I don’t see the point of switching to aftermarket buffers.