Thank you everyone for your feedback. I realize that the cloaking effect isn't the greatest/too noticeable and I have noted your observations and they will be improved on in future videos. Please try to understand too that despite my talent, I have only been animating for about six months and am far from being fully versed on Blender, tho with each video I make I learn something new. :) Thank you for your understanding.
@@JeanLucCaptain Well, the cloak in the movie didn't look perfect. Makes me think maybe the bird of prey was using older cloaking tech. I think the video is wonderful.
Incredible. Loved how the photon tube on the Enterprise 'powered up'.. the only 'constructive' criticism is there were times the cloaked Klingon ship was too easy to spot.. maybe blurring the cloaked edges would make it more mysterious? otherwise - wow - simply incredible!
@@yortsemloh1156 It was visible, but I think it was TOO visible here. I mean, at 1:42 it's super obvious. It's something that pops out at you, it's Bird of Prey ship-shaped even, but Kirk, Chekov, and Sulu are staring at the screen for quite some time until 2:15 when they theorize on what it is. Amusingly, to make this work, a few shots from the film are omitted here, where Kirk points the distortion and Sulu says that it gets bigger as they closer.
I would actually go a step further and not use the BoP model with a shader effect over it (because you can clearly see even details like the torpedo tube) but only make a vaguely approximate shape with a much more subtle refraction effect, as thats likely closer to what the cloak would looked like originally.
Even in the normal movie you could see the ship move as the BOP cloaking system was not perfect. Remember klingons canonically (fuck discovery) Got cloaking tech from the romulans but it was several generations inferior to top of the line romulan cloaks. This is why in Elan of Troyus the enterprise could detect the klingon ship on sensors but not see them (the did the same in Balance of terror but NOT in the enterprise incident as the romulans had developed a far better cloak by then.)
@@luminaire4946 I'm not saying there's no distortion at all -- in the original movie they can visually spot it. We're just saying in this remake video it's maybe a little too obvious, too quick and easy to spot, much more so than in the original.
Good Star Trek games were overall few. I've got Elite Force. Some years ago, modders added an SP campaign based on TOS, and released part of it. Not sure if they ever completed it though. The settings were great, with classic TOS sound effects and musical cues.
@@royroblox Right! STO Had potential for a bit, then the PEW PEW crowd got a hold of it and it went in the toilet... queues and shooting are all it is now... but for a while there were some actual stories and missions that you actually wanted to run with your friends... it was shortly after fleet starbases were introduced... and the foundry was kicking up big time... when they had random mission generating missions for the edge of the map areas and when you would beam to planets... and could explore stuff... nobody likes to explore anymore... it's too hard to think for simpletons... gotta be spoon fed or they quit with a tantrum
Star Trek: Bridge Commander does when modded. It's probably the best and most faithful Trek game ever made, being able to target individual systems like each separate disrupter / engine, and it was super easy to mod. People then added higher quality models, all the classic Trek ships (original game was TNG movie era), all the classic bridges, and lots of extra / improved features. Only down side was that the engine wasn't super optimized...
Nice! I will always love Scotty's line. "I didn't expect to take us into combat ya know." Scotty, it's the Enterprise and Jim Kirk is in command. Combat should always be something you expect.
I would figure Kirk is a Admiral he could have had at least two or three ships in command IF.... he fabricated a better excuse to the Fleet Admiral to allow him do so. Something like: Genesis could be used as a weapon. Possible theft. Make up a enemy...stuff like that.
@@telee19 Don't forget the torpedo bay is unmanned and the port launcher is out of commission. It makes sense to have the induction launcher pre-energised.
@@the_once-and-future_king.Now looking at this if the torpedo launcher was turned on like this here, wouldn't you think the BOP would have detected it and known Enterprise might know where they are at? Of course the Klingons might just be thinking that Enterprise can't find Grissom and went to battle stations, just like Klingon doctrine. Or maybe the cloak as we know takes a lot of power so maybe Klingon sensors aren't the most reliable
@@vintvarner16 The whole reason Kirk didn't raise shields was to not clue in the enemy that they knew someone was out there. Kirk wanted them to think they were unaware of them. The torpedo 'light' turning on would have given away the game.
"Great Scott" Just 4 minutes 33 seconds...of a classic Trek movie, is forever re-watchable & enjoyable, That can't be said about all three of the JJ movies.
I have an appreciation for the JJ movies, but I wish they did something in regards to Vger, Or more less combat centric stuff, where the crew has to think their way out.
True True True. JJ's films were insulting. But hey, I couldn't stand him well before he did Star Trek, back when it was unpopular to not like him. I got attacked so many times back then for speaking up, but I have the last laugh now that he destroyed Star Wars . Hey, I tried to tell people, but no one listened. It is too bad that it took 2 Trek films and 2 Star Wars films before people started opening their eyes to what a hack this man is.
If I didn't know it was CGI, I would have sworn that the ventral shot of the Enterprise approaching Genesis was the original. I love the way you did the distortion too
I admit, I get extremely emotional during Star Treks II and III, and I am really invested in the Enterprise as a character. So, I will tell you, I cried at the addition of even one little additional bit of footage of the old girl, when powering up her only good torpedo bay. Your new footage matches James Horner's movement here PERFECTLY, hammering home the sense that this poor, battered starship, our old friend, is still gonna give her last battle all its worth.
I remember seeing ST:III at the theater. When the Enterprise self-destructed it got very quiet in the theater. Then you could hear people sniffling and she plunged into the atmosphere. A lot of us grew up with the old girl. :(
@@KeepingScore71 Yep. Every other Enterprise, even the A, is just "another" Enterprise. This was the one that started it all. She had the history in her, of three years of television stories, novels, comics, everything that had been built up around her mystique since the original series ended. The ship Kirk fought to get back. And she died protecting her crew, one last time. People give Star Trek 3 crap, but it's honestly a great film in my eyes. It's the middle of a trilogy, which is the hardest part of any story to tell. The script may not be as tight as Wrath of Khan or as culturally grabbing as Voyage Home, but everything involving the crew and the Enterprise is amazing.
This is before back to the future. We knew who he was but most of the audience didn’t figure it out until he started talking to Saavik and David down on Genesis. At that point, the audience started laughing.
I think that’s usually an approach taken because of the actor’s need to give emotional weight to certain lines. The less important dialogue can easily be in the fictional language, but when the actor really needs to, well, act, they can’t do it as well in a language they don’t actually speak. Too bad, it always does seem kind of silly.
That was pretty fucking awesome. This is one of my all-time favorite space battles. I like the subtle touches here and there. A lot of recreations like to flex and add a lot of fancy foot-work for no reason. This? This was just right. Well done.
Yes!!! I wonder what difference it would made if they use the phasers instead of torpedoes and I know this is all fiction blah blah blah but we all love Star trek and probably most of us have played every game that has the word trek in it so yeah these facts mean something. To we the fans back when Star trek was actually watchable...
@@fredjaneson1670 It's an unfortunate forgone conclusion that if somehow they had managed to keep the Enterprise operational she would not have been suited for the time warp in the next film. Kirk would have failed in his attempt to save Earth without the use of the BOP.
Really like the damage effect when the Bird Of Prey is spinning out of control! And I liked seeing the Enterprise’s remaining torpedo system ‘warming up’ as she closes through the shot!
This is absolutely phenomenal! You've done fantastic work here. Thank you for sharing! I'd love to see you take on the VFX shots from Star Trek V! It would be interesting to see you not just replicate existing effects, but actually making your own that would be FAR superior to what the film itself managed to have!
That's a good joke we all banter about, but if you figure the massive energy used in these ST weapons or encountering massive space energy fields (if real)... Really kind of hard to build a fuse that can handle something that can arc many or hundreds of kilometers through space.
@@STho205 - Yeah but it isn’t the weapons exploding, it’s computer consoles. Clearly the hulls do withstand phaser, disruptor, and torpedo hits, so it shouldn’t be out of their ability to avoid energy being conducted through to computer equipment and exploding.
@@florbfnarb7099 has to go somewhere. Of course that would burn out all the circuits as it did in WNMHGB requiring replacement, but massive energy finds the weakest system to burn out. Try a house after a lightening pop or a massive loss of ground and phase shift. All the little electronics, switches, buttons and table fan motors get popped and blow. Big items like compressors, stoves, HVAC, etc... They're often fine.
Did you know that unlike most other Trek films, the new ship designs in this particular film were made by ILM, not Paramount. Leonard Nimoy knew enough to give ILM the ball and let them run with it. And from that we got some of the most iconic designs of all time - Spacedock, the Excelsior, the Klingon Bird of Prey, the Oberth-class Science Vessel, event he Merchantman Freighter which gets redressed and reused in TNG about a dozen times
@@k1productions87 Yet another reason to love that man, thank you Mr. Nimoy, llap. I would assume that ILM was also mainly responsible for the Miranda-class as well. Those things are amazing and REALLY long-lived. I half expected a bunch to show up at the end of ST: Picard's final episode. Oh well, we'll probably get a few in season 2, they have to be still in service.
@@disorientedbear No, the Miranda-class was an in-house thing, then approved by Nick Meyer, the Director (upside-down). The Miranda looks cool and all... but its basically just kitbashing the Constitution with some extra details.
@@k1productions87 Oops, II and III melded together in my head for a second. Makes sense. Star Trek has a wide (and awesome) history of creating "new" designs by gluing various components together (i.e. other designs, WWII battleships, common household items (razors)). The freighter design you mentioned before is a really good example. The TNG Romulan scout ship and various shuttle-sized craft seen in TNG's 11001001 are other examples. Yes they reused the Spacedock model in that episode, but it still worked. As long as the products are good, I'd tell them to keep "stretching" that ranch.
I'm in the middle of marathoning the Star Trek movies on Bluray and just got finished with the 3rd movie. I can honestly say that I'm blown away by your recreation of this space battle and think it's better than the original. Excellent work fellow Trekker. I can't wait to see your other videos. :)
Paramount should hire JTVFX to complete all the effects on the original Trek movies and release them all on Bluray/4K. Superb and the best effects I've seen of all the fan versions.
I am loving these visits into key scenes of Trek! I do have one little comment about the photon torpedo firing sequence: since TWOK established that photon torpedoes are actual physical objects (and not blobs of energy), when the starboard torpedo fires, I expected to see the weapon exiting a tunnel-like torpedo tube rather than a flat orange plane. That’s it… that’s the only constructive comments/criticism I can offer. I am stunned and envious at your rate of production. Marvelous, just marvelous!
" Scotty, we need fire power!!" " Canna do it sir , they knocked out the Chimpanzee , an two trainees who were runnin the automation system !!!!". Beautiful remade special effects. from a 1984 classic.
That was very well done! I guess the only issue I would say with the whole video was on the Klingon bridge while the rest of the ship was all red at Red alert the monitor was still showing a normal color but beyond that this video was fantastic
I've always wanted to see that scene redone with the lights flickering out as the Enterprise dies which would make more sense. Also, the ship tumbling away from the final explosion and entering the atmosphere could be done as one shot
Word of advice, don't ever apologize for your work always stand by it especially the many man hours you had put into it. I think you did a great job, very clean and also a fantastic edit job altogether as well especially after Chekov says a scout class vessel!
I respect a lot of time was put into this, but I prefer the organic models and practical effects as it gives a more "realistic" feel in my opinion. Still, fantastic work and no small feat. Jason has a lot of future ahead of him. Trying to capture a realistic look digitally still baffles most of Hollywood's finest, and this is near-Lucasfilm quality on a digital level.
Fantastic. You fixed a bothersome aspect of the original. When the Klingon ship returned fire there was that static discharge at the saucer that lasted 3 secs or so, AND then the blast behind Kirk. You made the bridge direct hit right away thus more exciting. Great editing.
Very good, and very fitting. Could as well be the original version. The newly animated sequences go seamlessly into the original movie scenes with the actors.
Not IMO, when the Enterprise comes out of warp the ship can be seen in this video as coming to a complete stop then start moving on impulse, that shouldn't have happen like that.
This is awesome, i still cant help it after all these years in my head im screaming "keep firing!" Would have saved kirk alot of hassle and pain. Its funny we only saw the enterprise fire phasers in star trek 2.
@@luminaire4946 Exactly, Scotty's jury-rigging had the computer doing the job of 450 officers and men on top of everything else it normally had to do. Taking the ship to red alert and powering up offensive and defensive systems was simply too much for the system to handle. Had they destroyed the bird of prey with the first salvo I'm sure Scotty could have rebooted the system like any overloaded computer.
@@luminaire4946 The "automation center" was an example of lazy writing. Why didn't Scotty run down and manually fire a photon torpedo? The ship was utterly powerless without an "automation" system? Kirk ran the Constellation by himself at times and others with a very small crew. I love TSFS, but the film has enough plot holes to fly the Enterprise through multiple times. Any why didn't 2 torpedoes destroy the BoP to begin with?
How have I not come across this channel yet? O_O This is actually one of the sequences I've been wanting to revisit, but so many ideas, so little time. lol
Way too many RU-vid fanboy/girl pathetic “improvements” that add nothing to the original effects, but yours isn’t in imo. Looks great! (Apart from the cloaked bird of prey that others have mentioned) Try sorting out ST5 with this quality and it’ll be well worth while!
I would say given a couple personal stylistic alterations I don't think matter enough with your effects vs the orginal. The ONE effect I think doesn't work too well is the cloaking.. Not necessarily the cloak and decloak but the distortion WHILE cloaked. It is far too visable especially in the key scene where they are looking at the distortion and it is a bit too glass box in form. Other than that there were times where the difference seemed at LEAST on par with Foundation Imaging's work on the 2001 TMP DE tho like the new TMP DE i'd personally would prefer a little less soft focus and bloom and more film grain matching.. But then again that has to be insanely tedious work especially when you aren't getting those Paramount bucks so please don't think I am appreciating this fine work any less because of my own slight stylistic preferences.
Very good work indeed. The only thing that I can critique is at 1:40 - the Bird of Prey's outline is too obvious, needs to be obfuscated a little. Other than that, excellent work. The models themselves are very impressive.
I can't figure out why photon torpedos suddenly are ion weapons that disable rather than damage. Those torpedos should of destroyed the bird of prey. But, that wouldn't make for a compelling story...
For over 30 years I've wondered why somebody couldn't just run down to the Enterprise's auxiliary control room, finish Kruge off with a few more shots and then control the ship from there like they did with the Constellation in Doomsday Machine
And Scotty had an away team of engineer assistants he took down to engineering make minor repairs,recharge the phaser banks, and allow Kirk some measure of control of the Constellation. Any repairs to reroute ships power systems likely had to be made in engineering.
imo, the way the cloaking looked has the same vibe as the "rushed production" version we see on screen, and is absolutely television level, not quite feature film, but definitely on that trajectory.
Tremendous work!! I am so glad to have found your channel!! Your work is outstanding!! I would love to see a version of this scene where the Enterprise wins and survives!! Imagine Star Trek IV, V, and VI with the good ole' 1701 all the way through!!!
Great job and nice effects. Always heart breaking this scene. This is the ship that has scene it all and to be destroyed always has hurt my heart. Oh how I wished it could have been different!
Excellent work! I subbed to your channel. You get the camera angles, speed, lighting of the ships, and overall cinematography like in the 80s-90s Trek. Something that's totally lost in the new Trek series. Are you using any LUTs in your video edits?
Firstly, amazing work and I loved the extra scenes! I think there was a chance here to kind of improve the photon hit on the E from the BoP. In the original it looks like a weird thunderbolt as it hits, with no damage done externally and you recreated it very well. I think it may have been better to show an impact and external hull damage same as you added for when the BoP is hit. Great stuff overall though!
I seem to remember reading somewhere or maybe it was a dream that the reason those torpedoes did not take out that little tiny scout ship was because the warhead was designed to penetrate Shields and overload them it was not a high explosive warhead which would have annihilated that little bop.
It just hit me! The cloaking effect looks like where the Scimitar was hit while under cloak, with that fairly sharp line of definition through the cloak
I'm going through all of these - so good. I've wanted this for classic Trek films for a while now - these are the scenes I watch over and over on RU-vid. I have a dream, though - Babylon 5. I HAVE A DREAM that one day Babylon 5 will be re-released with updated special effects.
You know, I’ve always found the Enterprise effects in 3 mostly jarring as it seemed too overexposed with little definition - no key light in some scenes. I am so glad you have addressed this. THIS is how she should have looked on her last voyage!
Has Hollywood not been on phone to you yet? Your replacement fx are outstanding. If I ever make The Mooch Movie or something half decent, I'm calling on you for a quote!
Yeah, I spent hours attempting to get a good look with it. But it was EXTREMELY hard to get it to look THIS good. If I do another video with a ship cloaking I'll try to make it better. :)
The little detail of the Starboard Nacelle marker light being burned out was great. I saw this in the theatre opening weekend, and that little detail caught my eye then, and I'm so glad you included it here.
03:44 Great editing choice here. Putting the effect of the energy dancing on the primary hull AFTER the crew reacts to the initial blast looks so much better than in the original film.
WOW. This looks absolutely fantastic. I just read your comment from a week ago that you have only been animating for six months.... keep it up because this is truly great work!!
I always thought the close up of the Enterprise firing torpedoes was a bit wonky. They were using a larger scale model of the 2ndary hull...and then the saucer and the nacelle matted in and it looks off...this is how it's supposed to look for sure!!!
