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Junior Doctors Strike | 'There is an incentive for them to leave' argues Aaron Bastani

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'We need to remove the incentive for them to leave.'
Co-founder of Novara Media, Aaron Bastani, explains why he views NHS doctors leaving the country as a 'technical issue.'
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@HassanPoyo Год назад

That woman is so patronising

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

Yeah, sorry but they still pay student finance abroad. If the government paid for there education, they should stay, but the government don't. The government charge them upwards of £80,000 which they end up paying, whether they go abroad or not. The government even adds on a high interest rate onto it, higher than that of a mortgage for profit. At least if they go abroad, they can earn enough to buy a house.

@El.Cid17 Год назад

Tuff never seen a poor one.

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

@@El.Cid17 Look again. Doctors salaries in the UK average £50,000. After tax and NI, that's about £30000. Not exactly thriving, but not to bad. But then they've also got additional expenses such as memberships to medical organisations (mandatory for doctors) which leaves them with about £27,000. If your living in London, it quickly becomes apparent the issue. And the UK housing market is terrible. Try getting a house on £27000 a year. After food and expenses, you'd be lucky to save £5000 a year. In New York, the average doctors salary is $350,000. After tax, there's still $275,000 left to play with. Try saving for a million dollar house on that. You could buy one outright in 4 or 5 years. The point is, the salaries we pay are funny compared with the rest of the world, and our housing prices are obscene compared with everywhere else.

@taffyterrier Год назад

@@thesupremepizza6893 in the USA they have to fund their own education and training.

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

@@taffyterrier When you account for the total student loans in the UK, plus interest, the average doctor pays £160,000 in total. So, not much difference between US fees and the UK fee's in the long run. The UK's higher interest really builds up. The difference is that in cities in the US like New York, there paid on average $350,000 vs only £50,000 in the UK on average. How do you get a house in the UK today on that? Doctors are better off leaving to the US, or any other country for that matter where they could afford housing.

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

@@taffyterrier If the UK wanted to retain them, they have two options. Increase salaries in line with the US. That would mean a 300% pay rise across the country, and a 700% pay rise for London which definitely isn't affordable. After you factor in the much higher taxes over here, even that isn't enough to match salaries with the US. Option two is student loan forgiveness. In exchange for serving the NHS on a much, much lower salary for several years, student loan is knocked down. This would be more affordable, as the government would not have to pay out of it's budget currently. The sad fact is, doctors salaries are set by the free market. It's basic economics. If a worker is offered more money to work at company A rather than company B, they'll go and work for Company A. Company A is the US, Company B is the UK. Now people at company B are crying that there salaries are having to be set by the free market, not the low levels they've paid for decades. Go change to communism if you don't like the free market. I should also point out that in the UK, medical students have to pay around 90% there education, and are hit with a catastrophically high tax rate. Germany have lower taxes and fully fund their peoples education.

@johnbowkett80 Год назад

Any woman who can wolf whistle like Dewbs is a proper bird . 😜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@bagelking6364 Год назад

Bet she drinks pints😂😂😂

@padiedo7213 Год назад

💯💯 BEHIND THEM 👍👍

@ruthcollins2841 Год назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@El.Cid17 Год назад

Bloody fool.

@taffyterrier Год назад

Fool

@bagelking6364 Год назад

What do we want .....a kick up the ass when do we want it now!! That's what you should be singing!! Junior doctors are paid well enough and their salaries will only rise to ridiculous amounts once fully trained.

@Bringon-dw8dx Год назад

They are full trained doctors after 5-8 years of education, they are now doing post graduate training. And ‘paid well enough’?! PA’s do a 2 year course and start on 10k more, nurses start on higher pay (3 year course). On bank holidays and weekends doctors are often the worse paid employee on site (including lower pay then cooks, cleaners, porters etc).

@tatienouorest3358 Год назад

The Red list prevents active recruitments. It doesn’t say anything about preventing anyone from those countries coming on their own

@barnham9388 Год назад

Doctors are one of the last bastions of restrictive practices, wanting to ensure that the drawbridge is kept as narrow as possible, holding the government and population to ransom in a system which is absolutely as David S says a vast bureaucracy designed to prevent someone seeing a doctor. Junior doctors chart this erosion of pay to justify their ridiculous 35% demand back to 2008 - junior doctors are classified as those being under 8 years qualified, none of them would have even left school in 2008. So notwithstanding the whinge now, they all recognised what a great gig becoming a doctor is, otherwise they would have chosen a different career. They have a privileged life, with essentially a guaranteed well paid job their whole life, absolutely no risk of being unemployed, and the facility if they wish to be able to continue to earn well into their later years and at that stage to control the hours. They have fantastic pension arrangements, and an internationally recognised qualification which essentially gives them licence to ply their trade anywhere in the world and be amongst the better, well positioned and respected in that society. Voting to restrict further places for medical training is pure and simple wanting to control supply to try to justify their pay demands and perpetuate their power. They really just need to be told they can strike as much as they like but they are not even going to get half what they are demanding, negotiation involves starting at an ambitious but rational number, but even half of 35% is a huge increase. And expand doctor training - I’ll bet all the places get filled…..

@colinlawless5654 Год назад

Do more work. They are contributing to excess deaths. They are well paid and want more money really ?. More staff better training and conditions i get.

@doubleooh7337 Год назад

I got a idea the private owners can pay out of their profits no need to scrounge off the people

@J__oe Год назад

Shame on this channel

@angmarsh9762 Год назад

Cleaners are charging £25 an hour. Think junior doctor’s deserve the same. 🤔

@hazelmiller417 Год назад

You chose the profession...you knew the conditions. As soon ad you fully qualify you can work for the private sector. And not contribute to the nhs. So they can bugget of. In the usa takes longer to qualify and lot more money to pay for your tutation. So question why do lots of immigrants take mefical stuff...csuse they get it a lot cheaper in the uk thsn their own countries.

@kevinwebb6338 Год назад

There are plenty of replacement doctors entering the country from France, so no worries. 😂

@Doctor1933 Год назад

Same as bank no need for so many banks why is their so much different bank join the bank in one work together to increase your business

@Ms.Norths.Musings Год назад

Here in America it takes 8 PLUS years to get a Medical Doctors degree. It costs HUNDREDS of thousands of Dollars. Make them pay for their education. Especially if they are leaving after getting said education for free.

@psps2034 Год назад

Its not free, it costs 9k per year and they pay the loan back every month , about £100 to £400 per month for 30 years.

@justadude8369 Год назад

But after US graduates leave medical school they have a much shorter route to becoming an attending. In the UK its still upwards of 10 years in many specialties. The pay for being an attending in the US absolutely dwarfs that of UK attendings.

@chrismcgowan5180 Год назад

No system should look to the US for advice on training doctors. Horrific system and hospitals and poor outcomes

@user-sd5dr3bj3d Год назад

yeh also american doctors get paid more than enough to cover their training. If we got offered american salaries I'll happily pay American university fees

@rypere1788 Год назад

Your residency system leads to a shorter overall training pathway for most specializations, pay is substantially higher, tax is substantially lower, even in Cali. Our doctors end up with 100k student debt; not insignificant at a 7% interest rate with the reduced earnings. Realistically, what are the government going to do, try to send bailiffs to Australia? That would cost more than they recover.

@Doctor1933 Год назад

If I can live on electric every one can

@paulcowan3222 Год назад

Nice of them to use a reputable company like Novara Media.

@paulies5407 Год назад

At least he actually comes on rather than screaming "racist!" and running away like most leftists tend to do

@stevemitchell1454 Год назад

Wonderful media company. Speak the truth not lies as on GB news. The Right don't know what truth is. Every Tory MP spouts lies on every subject.

@jibjobjobe Год назад

I can't see a doctor why should I care or pay?

@ThatHappyChap Год назад

^Found the idiot who doesn't understand why he can't see a doctor lmfao

@taffyterrier Год назад

@@ThatHappyChap They don’t want to work.

@ThatHappyChap Год назад

@@taffyterrierAnd they shouldn't work. Not for that pay. Good for them! :)

@taffyterrier Год назад

@@ThatHappyChap NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe - British taxpayers are being shafted.

@apollonia6656 Год назад

DO NO HARM ! How on 🌎 can these doctors live with their conscious is beyond me,it is utterly and morally WRONG.

@jennysantiago2624 Год назад

I'm planning to heal myself like the men on the movie SISU or John Wick. I can also ask Chatgpt for medical instructions. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I think in 20 years, robots will take over the medical field. Lol

@Dragon-up6rb Год назад

You just hate doctors and nurses, do you know that during those strikes, all the services are covered by consultants and senior doctors in every department.😊

@psps2034 Год назад

Emergency care is covered. People already wait a year for operations because there arent enough doctors or hospitals. People had their operations cancelled due to Coronation and Queen Bday bank holidays , were you complaining about that too?

@chrismcgowan5180 Год назад

it really is beyond you..stay in your lane

@tatienouorest3358 Год назад

Do not Harm means they must not actively seek to harms patient in the purview of their duties Doesn’t mean they are saints whose purpose in actively seek out and treat all pain How do you live with your own consciousness when God gave you his commands and still you go against them? How do you live with yourself every time you sim and cause pain to others?

@valeriegrimshaw1365 Год назад

How utterly heartless and greedy. They should be MADE to stay in the NHS for 5 years to pay back their training costs to the taxpayer.

@oldshiny3012 Год назад

5yrs sod that more like 15yrs to 20yrs

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

They still pay training costs back whether they go abroad or not though. Student finance have a whole system in place for this. The government even slaps a 10% interest rate onto student loans so they can make as much profit from it as possible. Better to go abroad with higher pay, to pay of the loans sooner, than to stay in the UK and never be able to get past that interest rate. Now if the government paid for there student loans, then they should be required to stay, but the government don't. They loan and then get that money back. Therefore, all the government is entitled to is getting the money paid back. They are not entitled to force people to work for them, as they do not financially contribute to them. I mean come on.

@oldshiny3012 Год назад

@@thesupremepizza6893 they don't pay the full cost not even close to it

@thesupremepizza6893 Год назад

@@oldshiny3012 well go on then, tell me the full price. Because the interest rate slapped on the loan they take out from the government means that despite taking out £80,000, they end up paying back twice that amount on average. £40,000 tuition fee (another £40,000 is maintenance loan) , then £80,000 interest.

@oldshiny3012 Год назад

@@thesupremepizza6893 The government ultimately pays less than £230,000 to put a doctor through medical school The £230,000 estimate can be broken down into approximately: £163,000 paid in grants that the government won’t get back. These either go directly to students, to healthcare providers to support clinical placements, or to universities to reflect the higher costs of delivering medical education. Another £64,300 comes in student loans. These are similar to loans for other kinds of university courses, covering tuition and living costs. Graduates have to repay their loans once they earn a certain amount, currently £21,000 for new students. That applies to all university graduates, whether or not they work for the NHS. The government expects to get back at least 75-80% of tuition fee and maintenance loans across all subjects, as a pessimistic estimate. Given that, we expect the final cost to “the taxpayer” is closer to £163,000 than £230,000. Including private funding, the total cost of training a doctor will be higher than £230,000 The Department of Health’s estimate doesn’t include any private funding that supports students through their degree, so it won’t tell you the full cost of training a doctor to both individuals and the government.

@jack_timber Год назад

The BMA says that junior doctors’ pay in England has fallen by 26 per cent since 2008/09, once you account for inflation. Therefore 26% pay rise seems appropiate.

@TheMaster47x Год назад

Basic maths skills should be a requirement to be allowed to vote, you undermine democracy as a whole with your stupidity.

@paulcowan3222 Год назад

When inflation goes down do they give the money back?

@El.Cid17 Год назад

Then the BMA should be ashamed, they let it happen.

@TheMaster47x Год назад

@@paulcowan3222 we have another one, perhaps more than basic maths, there should be some sort of IQ test before people are allowed to vote.

@Bringon-dw8dx Год назад

I think you’ve misunderstood the figures. Copied and pasted the below paragraph because it explains better then I could. ‘The BMA is asking for a 35 per cent pay rise. FactCheck understands that this figure was decided because 35 per cent is what would be needed to make up for what the BMA claims is a 26.1 per cent loss in earnings since 2009. You might be thinking: why do you need a 35 per cent rise to make up for a 26 per cent fall? The answer is best explained with an example. Imagine you have £100 in your bank account, and it’s reduced by 26.1 per cent. Now you’ve got £73.90. In order to return to £100, you need another £26.10, which is 35 per cent of £73.90.’

@doubleooh7337 Год назад

14/hour is toooo much for lazy ppl they don't earn it

@rypere1788 Год назад

Least delusional RU-vid commenter.

@jamest5014 Год назад

You should really get into a hospital and see what doctors have to got through before making such hateful comments

@lovechineseforever9434 Год назад

BREXIT GOOD AYE, TELLING HEATHCARE STAFF TO GO HOME TO EU

@philmurphy4810 Год назад

Doctors should be ashamed of themselves. You should want to go into nhs to help people not for greed. You know the basic wage when you start and possible earnings when you progress. Don't go into the NHS if you don't like the pay.!

@grantsapain Год назад

Brits love to bash US healthcare, but the US doesn't have doctor strikes or long wait times for medical procedures...

@El.Cid17 Год назад

They just let you die, without insurance.

@oldshiny3012 Год назад

true but on the same note lots of people are priced out of that very same system , to the point they avoid at all cost getting treated

@grantsapain Год назад

@@El.Cid17 You have no idea what you are talking about. Everybody gets treated in America. My sister was on social security & paid no premiums whatsoever. She contracted covid last year. We called an ambulance, which was here in 6 minutes. She was admitted to the ER immediately, & spent a month in ICU. Didn't cost my family a single penny. Quit listening to the anti american propagandists...

@grantsapain Год назад

@@oldshiny3012 You have no idea what you're talking about. Everybody gets treated in the US regardless of ability to pay. My sister was on social security & paid no premiums whatsoever. She contracted covid last year. We called an ambulance which arrived in 6 minutes. She was admitted to the ER immediately. She spent a month in ICU & it didn't cost our family a dime. On the otherhand, according to the NHS, there are 401,537 people in Britain who have been waiting over 52 weeks to begin their routine hospital treatments. & according to the International Agency for research on Cancer, in europe there are 280 deaths per 100,000, in the US it's 189...

@oldshiny3012 Год назад

@@grantsapain so all those Americans that claim they avoid going to the doctors etc because of the cost are all lying , or the many thousands sent into bankruptcy because of crippling health care bills don't exist either. next you'll be trying to tell me their are no homeless in America because you have such a perfect social housing system and bidden fires pink petals from his anus too

@Doctor1933 Год назад

I have save money by getting rid of my gas and using electricity only why you taking to long to fix this problem

@terryharrison5185 Год назад

Junior doctors... They did most of jabbing... 😮

@taffyterrier Год назад

… for a price.

@Doctor1933 Год назад

I am not leaving England I have a good reason something big is coming our way all this greedy people will leave our country so we can fix England again