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@@Platinum400 the first one was amazing. It addresses racial issues without preaching, has a sympathetic origin for a villain that you still hate, and has a wonderful mix of surrealism and horror. This is just more bait that's probably going to make the cops the bad guys.
Forgive my foggy memory but didn’t Candyman have a thing with the female lead? Like wasn’t she some reincarnation of the girl he loved which led to her sacrificing herself and becoming the next Candyman?
What if this is like, the director's warped perspective of an interaction with some random white lady, and she just made a joke that wasn't politically correct or something and that was the inspiration?
I agree with the Karen critique. A Karen is not someone who schemes and quietly plots. They are impulsive, loud, and obnoxious. I wouldn’t be surprised if this movie had been in development under a different title/names and some producer thought “Karen” would be a good marketing ploy
Also identitarians: "Hello, police? There's, like, a guy standing in front of my lawn. "Like, I know I said I hated you guys for, like, killing all those poor black folk, but could you, like, for once, like, do yer JOOOOOOOB! Like, that'll be great. Byeeeeee~!" *downs bottle of vodka after call*
LGBT Community: "Hey, can we please get representation that portrays us as actual human beings and not stereotypes?" Netflix: "My BuTtHoLe JuSt WeNt BoOp!!1!!11!"
The Candyman one killed me inside. He ALREADY had a backstory rooted in racism, they didn't need to tack this bullshit on. I almost hope that they're going to reveal that the story we hear in the trailer is fake, and then go into the backstory from the original film, but I know better than to be optimistic where shit like this is concerned. Also 13:15 ??? in the remake, they made it sound like Krueger was molesting kids. The parents get together and kill him (a la the original), and Nancy begins to suspect he was falsely accused- but the twist was that he HAD committed the crimes he was accused of. Nancy finds pictures of him abusing the children, and Krueger is getting revenge because the kids ratted him out. (Fun little fact: iirc Freddy Krueger was intended to be a child molester in the original film, but at the time there was a big Panic over pedophilia going on in the U.S. and Wes Craven didn't want it to come off like he was capitalizing on the frenzy, so he made Krueger a killer rather than a molester.)
Oh that's interesting, honestly I would do the same, making Krueger a killer then a molester, as that would jump the band wagon on a already heavy issue.
For real! This is so unnecessary and trying to tie with current events when it makes no sense since the movie is supposed to be a direct sequel to the first!
I got an idea for a woke black horror film. Black child in Kentucky gets possessed by the ghost of a Southern Millionaire from the Civil War era, and Reverend Tyrone gotta drive out the white poltergeist from the child. I Call it, The Blaxorcist.
Another thing that made Candyman unique was that,unlike other slasher's villains, The Candyman would attack people in broad daylight and in crowded places. That added a whole new layer of suspense to the film
I wouldn't be surprised at this rate that they make a horror movie named Crackaman, where a group of black people are stalked in a neighborhood by a crazy drunk white guy with a KKK flag, yet has the most stereotypical characters but wants to be taken seriously about what the life of a black person is like.
That doesn't sound half bad as a concept. Tweak it to make the kids targets of vengeful spirits of KKKluxers they inadvertently raise. Maybe these Klansmen were lured into an ambush long ago by black farmers fed up with their shit and armed by their local NRA chapter? Maybe the descendant of one of the farmers ends up helping the kids banish the ghosts once and for all? Bonus if you make the kids a bunch of entitled shits who cry racism to get what they want only to experience the real thing firsthand. The survivors come away a little wiser.
All of these trailers prove that if I ever write a story, there is no reason my story should be rejected because if these were allowed to be greenlit, anything I write has to go through without fail.
"Like our only child being possessed by a demon and crabwalking downstairs, that ain't shit, but a cop pulling us over?" That should just be a good ol' spoof movie. Family of black people suffering through all kinds of horror scenarios as if it's everyday stuff but being deathly terrified of Dave next door inviting them to the neighbourhood BBQ.
The original Candyman worked so well partly because it was about class rather than race - the original book was even set in Liverpool. It's about the power of legends to manifest themselves and to grip an entire community.
The fact that the lady in the car screams “Candyman” then we see a white cop get killed right next to her tells me they’re gonna try to make Candyman into some kind of savior for black people against cops. But Peele will try to pretend like he’s got some deep message and likely kill off one or two black characters that can think for themselves.
Defenitely. Imagine if a white director said he can't see a black person being the protagonist of his movies. His career would have ended in an instant.
I haven't seen the original, but just through osmosis I got the impression that his purpose was an allegory for the neighborhood itself, how he's inescapable and claims lives, but everyone's past the point of trying to get rid of him, they just stay quiet. Meanwhile, this new one's trailer seems to be making him something that possesses the protagonist? And if it really is what you're saying, about some entity protecting people from prejudiced law enforcement... talk about shooting yourself in the foot when it's marketed as horror, but really it morphs into some immoral power fantasy.
If there's one thing I do like in the new Candyman, it's just the paper puppet visuals. Almost wish all the project was was a ten minute animated short about the ghost story.
Honestly, I would not be mad if the Karen movie was intentionally a comedy. I mean you have people on YT that can make "horror style" trailers for something like F9. Interesting way to advertise the film.
It honestly looked like a MadTV or Key & Peele sketch to me. Especially Karen herself; she looks like she's wearing a deliberately over-the-top costume. Maybe that's not an accident. Maybe they were undecided about whether they were making a straight horror film or a spoof until halfway through production. They certainly fell short of either goal in the end, though.
I liked the original Candyman. It was gothic, grunge and superstition. A slow build before you even saw Tony FN Todd's Candyman. This new one looks too clean and like every jumpscare movie of the past 5 years.
You know what, those "homophobic stereotype" don't come from nowhere. There are people that act like that, Tumble, Twitter, Gay Parades etc. I'm not saying all lgbt people are like that, but they are some out there.
@@kingagrabowska9366 true but when there's only just stereotypes it puts a bad taste I your mouth when there's so much nuance in the LGBTQ+ community. I mean take Apu for example stereotype in himself. Imagine of show full of Apu's marketed towards the Indian community sure some of them may act like Apu but it's also somewhat insulting to treat these people as only a stereotype. I'm not saying this formula can't work, it can, but when you market yourself as something legitimate for LGBTQ+ community and give them a bunch of stereotypes some of which they've been fighting against it makes since why they hate it
I'll be honest, I never found most black horror movies to be scary, since they usually were the bottom of the barrel horror films for other groups, just painted black with a good amount of unnecessary racism in them. I mean the original Candyman had racism too, but it had a decently original story and uneasy atmosphere, even though the racial topics in the modern setting weren't that subtle to me, but overall it was a decent film. Unfortunately, this reboot/sequel/remake thing is turning it into a generic is he truly evil story.
@@moderatecanuck exactly, it doesn't help they drag their stories down with unnecessary racial related topics that make them feel all the same and or go the artsy route, leaving the movies stagnant.
Q-Force looks like it's trying to be a gay version of Archer, but Archer had smarter writing than this. Hell, even Ray from the show is characterized as being more than just being gay.
Ray acted like an actual person. Yeah, he was camp, but he had genuine character. Q-Force literally looks like it was secretly produced by the Westboro Baptist Church. Wait a minute...🤔
It's kind of frightening that horror movies are steering away from actual monsters and just portraying white people as horrific monsters. Even Candyman is trying to portray the black killer as a saviour from the horrible white police officer at the end of the trailer. It's depressing because you just can't have escapism anymore, almost every media outlet like games, comics, movies and TV is just riddled with politics now.. Something I really would rather like to forget every once in a while.
same. i wish we could have a nlack horror movie about goblins. finding out lotr was a real story and the monsters are coming back that....would be better...kinda
Which is why there is a growing number of resistance and a decline in viewership because of this. And the increase popularity in manga and anime is because they wanted better characters, storytelling etc.
@The Caped Critique l think that these "horror" stories are inspired by their interactions with the woke. The woke use inner city body counts and BLM as bludgeons against society; Get out was about using black bodies. Grievance studies (CRT) tries to define blackness and the media pushed those images into the mainstream; Peel's second movie was about having another self.
Must suck to be a normal lesbian/gay person and watch Q-Force like. "You know, I got kicked out of my house at 16...my family life sucks and is rocky but hey! At least I have this horribly stereotypical TV show to look forward to!" I also feel bad for every single woman named Karen...
At work when a customer tells me they are named Karen I feel sad inside that there name is associated with stupid people. (BTW all the woman named Karen I've meet are so sweet)
I hate how reductive the new Candyman is. The original tackled race issues, and class issues, but it wasn't a black vs whites narrative. I always say that activism back in the day was about equality and now it's about "I'm better than you." The protagonist of the original was a white woman, ffs, and she went through hell in that movie, everyone feels bad for her at the end.
You make a great point Jay, why has every horror movie with black antagnoists for the last 10 years always been about black people struggling against white people. I think back to the bone collector, bones, blade (kinda horror), gothika, where they were just people in horror settings. But today, it can only be made when its about racial identity. As a gay guy this is like living with the only gay characters on screen were the stereotypes like jack from will and grace, Mr. Humphries from Are you being served, or dame edna everage and every other drag queen, since a person can't be gay unless their dripping estrogen (*cough disneys lefou Cough!*)
It’s annoying hilarious why can’t just write stories. I don’t mind political stuff in movies and shows but in today’s climate it comes off as preachy woke and underwhelming as a black man. I’m sick of every black character in today is associated with racism or slavery 🤦🏿♂️
Even with a movie like candyman, who original premise was he was a slave, he was tortured and killed as one, it made for a compelling horror because the film was made in a time where people could take the horrors of slavery seriously without the veneer of wokeism attached to such historical concepts. This is what woke does, it makes even historically accurate concepts like black slavery in the west into self-aggrandizing pieces to boost the wokes ego.
J, if you don’t know, Netflix Brasil had made something similar to “Q-Force” long time ago, it as called “Super Drags” and it was abandoned for the original studio and Netflix quick after the release of the first season
@@ponikoTV It's like a magic girl anime parody with drag queens who figths against the evil forces of male supremacy, homophobia and conservatism of the Brasilian policy.
There was something else similar to Q-Force in tone that was aired on ShowTime 20 years ago called Queer Duck. That show was meant to be an over-the-top offensive bunch of LGBT stereotypes as was the style of Politically Incorrect comedy cartoons of the time. It is like the writers of Q-Force accidentally managed to hit the same levels of offensiveness while trying to be 'inclusive and diverse'.
Virgins talking about most movies: This character is the Jar Jar Binks of ear damage Chad JLongbone watching the Karen trailer: This one isn't annoying *enough*
Karen: Stop. This is bad. This doesn’t need to exist. Candyman 2021: Stop. You don’t understand the original material. Anything you make will be inferior. This doesn’t need to exist. Q-Force: Stop. I don’t know how you managed it, but you somehow worked homophobic stereotypes into your show about queer spies. This, as it is, doesn’t need to exist. Also, as a straight white male from a middle class family, I promise to work on not being so scary for the black community.
The mere idea there is a movie called "Karen" and she looks like a rejected member of the Addams Family. PLUS, one is supposed to not see it as a comedy, is already an absurd failure in filmmaking. Also, since MTV films was mentioned, they cut 30mins+ from the AEON FLUX adaptation 2005 turning it into a way more generic film. Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters is the only fun film that works that has them attached to it. BET...is best made fun of by the Boondocks cartoon/comic with martin luther king "out of a coma" saying "B-E-T...is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life!"
Th Candyman one disappointed me the most. Like Karen and Q-Force are going to be bad on concept alone, so I’m just here for the ride. However, Candyman is an actual good character with a decent franchise. It’s just hurts that they were really driving home the racism theme in the new movie, despite the original movie already having those themes. The production values are high, but the subtext is literally non-existent.
@Puss in Boots I had a stroke reading your comment. Am I surprised at this new race/ethnic bullshit? No. Do I wanna die? Absolutely. Mostly cause these medical bills are too high.
Did you see the trailer for High Guardian Spice ? Story - cliche after cliche without interesting twist in sight - Bad, generic song - Power of friendship - School - Happy go lucky main character that is naive and clumsy but with a big heart - Striving for being the best in the world in something, because being just good, great or one of the best isn't enough - Color coded like power rangers - This one girl that is ''cool'' and ''stoic'' doesn't want any friends, because she's too cool for that. But with enough harassment from the main character and the plot just forcing them to be together she becomes part of the group. Complaining about her friend being immature. - Big bad and his lackey that does most of the stuff while the bad guy is in the background laughing menacingly or just brooding and not doing anything. - Cat girl antagonist that will be most likely sassy and flirtatious, outsmarting heroes every time. But deep down she's nice and the bigger bad is making her do it. And no matter what crimes she committed will be absolved on the account ''it's not her fault''. ( Catra 2.0) - Missing parent - All the good people are POCs, because white isn't a color, lgbt with the exception of mandatory straights that had to populate. - Every man is evil, stupid or emasculated supporter of women. Looking at you, pink bearded father. Your wife is gone and it's up to your young daughter to find her. Couldn't leave your bakery ? - Main character comes up with a name for their group and that one stick in the mud doesn't like it but it sticks, somehow. That's what you get for disagreeing with our perfect protagonist.
Q-force delivered to everyone on Twitter who put identity first, and all the journalistas who can't shut up about representation. Making quality is hard enough without a commissar. This is the natural result. I give the Q-force trailer props for being honest and giving the shaft to the woke good and hard. Thumbs up!
"Candyman ain't a 'he', Candyman is the whole damn hive." Candyman is in the Bey-Hive, he's a Beyonce fan. They're going to defeat him by playing the Single Ladies song because he can't resist doing the dance.
Karens are the kind of people you point at and laugh at how ridiculous they're being. It could work for a comedy, but I dunno how you'd see some viral vid of a middle-class soccer mom throwing a temper tantrum at Bath and Body Works and think, "Yes, that would a make a great horror villain!"
I could read hours of H.P. Lovecraft and the darkest Warhammer stories on the market, as it would be a pleasant light-hearted read, then even 2 seconds dialogue off Q-Force, the full trailer will make me question for a atom bomb to drop, full episode would make me want hell itself to exist.
th Q-Force one was so full of stereotypical jokes that it's hard to see it in a good way, it looked more made by the typical person who's like "I'm not homophobic so here's my product to prove it"
The idea of vampires and werewolves would be peak horror but that would be too creative or 'not realistic enough' in the eyes of Hollywood movie makers in my opinion.
When Hellen became a modern folklore figure in the original, she didn’t get the bees, she had her own deal. The original was SO GOOD with its different themes
When the dude laughed after the "They're Black" line, the universe split into two paths: one where Karen is a ham-handed parody, and this one where it's a clumsy attempt at at a psychological thriller.
In Brazil, Netflix released an adult cartoon called Super Drags featuring 3 drag queen protagonists that functioned as a nod to Sailor Moon/Powerpuff Girls and every single second of it was overly sexual and obnoxious. The first frame of the show is a deer eating grass in the form of a d1ck. Q-Force looks just like that.
That Confederate flag soap dispenser still cracks me up. Pretty sure a real Karen would be more likely to demand the store stop stocking such "horribly offensive" things than actually buy one. Anyway, this movie is going to be stupid. Looking forward to this garbage.
Coke Daniels is definitely a pen name and he definitely doesn't want to put his actual name on the actual project, talk about no faith. Edit: omfg his name is actually Coke fucking Daniels. His name is literally the parents 2 favorite things.
I hope Candyman is good...it deserves to be.... grew up in a neighborhood like the one in the original and Candyman was the only Boogeyman-esque story that ever completely terrified me, it felt so real and still gives me goosebumps. I know one thing...they've been hush hush about Tony Todd's involvement (even though it seems to be his voice in one of the TV spots) but if he's not, HUGE shoes to fill. I can't picture anyone else in that iconic role.
Right! I love the original and Tony Todd, but if it's trash I kinda hope he's not included because I wouldn't want him to be attached to a dumpster fire.
So, is Q Force just trying to do the Drawn Together thing? And, hell, I've never even seen a CandyMan movie and I knew why the bee theming. Based on the way he dies in the trailer, he should come back as a cop.
18:18 nuclear cringe, the Nagasaki of cringe, god it hurts, plus when mr masculine mcwhiteguy looks back at mr stereotypicalgay like “aw you” got me going. God it burns
I remember when I was a kid my dad told me about candyman and the original origin story really made me feel uneasy along with everything else about him. I can already tell I won't care about this new remake.
after watching Karen, thanks to the efap boys, I think Karen was called that because someone on the production saw a Karen meme that day and they decided to pursue that angle for extra marketing if it was called "The Neighbor" and the lady was purely called Karen and they didn't acknowledge the meme in universe it would have been fine well minus the caricaturesque representation of the main villain
The Karen movie failed as a horror at the concept. Like who tf is afraid of Karens? They're the laughingstock of the internet. There's nothing terrifying about them.
I LOVE how your hair looks! the color and crimp is stellar ^^ (Also, loving the trailer reactions. It turned what was a rather crappy day around and made me smile, thank you^^
The OG Candyman transcend it's genre and became a prime example of the divide in race and social class. Then here comes some comedy hack, and makes it a blacksploitation slasher movie. Clive Barker's work has always been weird, but to the point. I don't feel the same about Peele's work.
God damn J, you’re a gem! Cheers for the constant laughs. Your review of ‘I’m not Starfire’ had me pissing my pants🤣🙌🏼. Much love from Ireland. Sweet new do👌🏻
-Karen: Directed by Coke Daniels(O boy the jokes I can make from his first name alone. But I'm not for the simple fact that it is too easy). Outcome: Total Cringefest. -Candyman: Directed by Nia DaCosta. Outcome: Total flop or failure. Without Tony Todd it is not the Candyman. I'm sorry. It is no longer, "Be My Victim" It is a victim. -Q-Force: I DO NOT GIVE A GOVERNMENT FUCK ABOUT!
